Al Gore & The Global Warming Agenda

[Zeno Swijtink]

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." -Barack Obama

Where is a reliable source for this quote? In a speech to students at the University of Colorado Obama speaks of a civilian Energy Corps and of AmeriCorps:

Obama offered several specific ideas for his call to service and invoked the names Martin Luther King Jr. and President Kennedy.

He said he would call on Americans to join the military and increase ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines. He also sought to expand AmeriCorps from its current 75,000 slots to 250,000. And he called upon Americans to join an Energy Corps to participate in environmental cleanup projects.

"We need your service, right now, at this moment — our moment — in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be. That's for you to discover," he said. "But I am going to ask you to play your part. Ask you to stand up. Ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history. I am asking you to change history's course."

https://www.rockymountainnews.com/ne...springs-today/

Is this just another case of right wing slanting from https://www.prisonplanet.com/

[Braggi]

I find this really weird...

Yeah, some very strange videos. Of course, that last one was put together by a McCain supporter and who knows about the translation of the Korean videos. Even if true, the Obama singers don't compare very well with the Korean kids.

The boys in military uniforms you really have to wonder about. If Obama is even aware of that it probably gives him the creeps too. I can't believe he supports it nor could he believe it will get him a single additional vote.

Can you imagine a McCain voter watching that video and then deciding to vote Obama? Yeah, sure. It's not exactly campaign literature. I doubt Obama even knew about it before he saw it on YouTube just like you and me.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

I don't have to. It already is. Thing is, it's collapsing after we've made ourselves the pariah of the world. Wouldn't it be better if we'd been supporting other countries and helping them in the years leading up to a problem like we're involved in right now? What if we had a whole lot of friends around the world instead of a whole lot of enemies?

What we've been doing is not only expensive but incredibly destructive. Nobody's very likely to stand up and help us out. That could have been different.

-Jeff

You might look into what really happens with foreign aid money. Here's a good book on the subject.



You can also find video interviews with Perkins online (DemocracyNow! is one). Ron Paul also has spoken about how govt aid money never reaches the people.

[d-cat]

Is this just another case of right wing slanting from https://www.prisonplanet.com/

Prison Planet is right wing???!
Here are a couple recent stories from PrisonPlanet/InfoWars:



Bush & McCain Blackmail America With Economic Terrorism
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bush-mcc...terrorism.html

McCain: “I Always Aspire To Be A Dictator”
https://www.prisonplanet.com/mccain-...-dictator.html

Cyber Security Expert: Hackers Planning To Steal Election For McCain
https://www.prisonplanet.com/cyber-s...or-mccain.html

McCain-Palin: “Bridge to Hell”
https://www.infowars.com/?p=4623

In the Banker’s Pocket: Obama, McCain Say Bailout Must Be Passed
https://www.infowars.com/?p=4903

Ron Paul: ‘There’s no difference’ between McCain and Obama
https://www.infowars.com/?p=4227


here's a must-see clip about Bush from one of their documentaries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6fxyOtVeI

and here's one that should make clear that what you state is not correct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTahZE4q90U

[d-cat]

Yeah, some very strange videos. Of course, that last one was put together by a McCain supporter and who knows about the translation of the Korean videos. Even if true, the Obama singers don't compare very well with the Korean kids.

The boys in military uniforms you really have to wonder about. If Obama is even aware of that it probably gives him the creeps too. I can't believe he supports it nor could he believe it will get him a single additional vote.

Can you imagine a McCain voter watching that video and then deciding to vote Obama? Yeah, sure. It's not exactly campaign literature. I doubt Obama even knew about it before he saw it on YouTube just like you and me.

-Jeff

You're always saying stuff like that in your posts.

You didn't believe the $845 billion Obama UN bill was real. But there is a link in the article to the actual bill on a govt site!

On the Russia thread you said that the New World Order is "Bush's baby". Wrong! Your info on the fluoride thread. Wrong!

What are you, a dis-info agent???! Or do you just like to publicly embarrass yourself??? Maybe you can provide some links sometime to back up what you say.

[Zeno Swijtink]

Prison Planet is right wing???!
Here are a couple recent stories from PrisonPlanet/InfoWars:

Well, let's say from far over the horizon, where it indeed looks as if "‘there’s no difference’ between McCain and Obama."

[d-cat]

Well, let's say from far over the horizon, where it indeed looks as if "‘there’s no difference’ between McCain and Obama."

Huh? So Prison Planet is right wing??!

[d-cat]

Mainstream Media Ignores Hidden Carbon Tax Provisions in Paulson’s Bailout 2.0
https://www.prisonplanet.com/msm-ign...ailout-20.html


New World Order: Global co-operation, nationalisation and state intervention - all in one day
https://thescotsman.scotsman.com/lat...der.4573452.jp

[d-cat]

Mainstream Media Ignores Hidden Carbon Tax Provisions in Paulson’s Bailout 2.0
https://www.prisonplanet.com/msm-ign...ailout-20.html

in case you didn't read the article

...Henry Paulson is a confirmed environmentalist and global warming true-believer who abused his power at Goldman Sachs. While Paulson headed Goldman Sachs he simultaneously headed the Nature Conservancy and his wife was a former Conservancy board member. (See “In Goldman Sachs We Trust: How the Left’s Favorite Bank Influences Public Policy,” by Fred Lucas, Foundation Watch, October 2008.)

Henry Paulson presided over Goldman Sachs’s donation of 680,000 acres of land it owned in Tierra del Fuego, Chile to the New York-based Wildlife Conservation Society. One of the trustees of the Wildlife Conservation Society was H. Merritt Paulson, the son of Henry Paulson...

Henry Paulson is the guy (Treasury Secretary) who is "bailing out" all the corporations, including his own. He was CEO of Goldman Sachs.

[d-cat]

Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
https://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan%2B...ticle13215.htm


Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage
https://www.dailytech.com/Arctic%2BS...ticle12851.htm


China battles "coldest winter in 100 years"
https://uk.reuters.com/article/homep..._.242020080204


Coldest Easter for more than 40 years
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...her-April.html


This Year So Far Coolest For at Least 5 Years - WMO
https://www.planetark.com/dailynewss...9875/story.htm





If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant”

A global carbon tax is not so much about limiting CO2 as it is a scheme designed to pay for world government and corporate globalization. “The Climate Change Control Bill strongly supported by Obama calls for an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide and ‘carbon footprints’ from discovery, to production, to consumption at a cost of $50 trillion globally and at a cost of $8 trillion for US taxpayers, all to be paid for by a global tax, whose monies will be used to establish a world government body,” writes Patrick Briley
https://infowars.net/articles/october2008/171008CO2.htm


Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant
https://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...d=a2RHIj_6hvV0

[d-cat]

EU to present "Blueprint for Worldwide Currency System" to US
listen very closely, they do say it!
https://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/pla...h=4226714&news
(after the commercial)

so does this mean they are going to bypass the amero and go straight for the world currency?

[Zeno Swijtink]

This Year So Far Coolest For at Least 5 Years - WMO
https://www.planetark.com/dailynewss...9875/story.htm

In 2007, global land surface temperature was the warmest on record, while total surface temperature (including oceans) was the fifth warmest since records began in 1880. In the U.S., 2007 was the tenth warmest year, and six of the ten warmest years on record for the U.S. have
occurred since 1998. A severe heat wave affected large parts of the central and southeastern U.S. in August 2007, setting more than 2,500 new daily record highs. The seven months from January to July 2008 ranked as the ninth warmest seven-month period on record for total surface temperature.

More acres burned in the U.S. in 2006 and in 2007 than in any other year since 1960 (9.9 and 9.3 million acres, respectively).

[Zeno Swijtink]

Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
https://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan%2B...ticle13215.htm

Bruce Molnia (quoted in the article above)
U.S. Geological Survey

https://www.pbs.org/journeytoplanete...dfs/molnia.pdf

Fifty years from now we’ll see a continuation of this trend of melting lower elevation glaciers. Again, I’m speaking for Alaska. Alaska has over 100,000 glaciers; 80,000 or more of these are at higher elevations. Those will experience minimal change in the temperature environment that we’re experiencing today and what we anticipate over the next few decades. At lower elevations, however, we’ll continue to see a shrinkage of large ice tongues in most parts of Alaska and I would think if you use the present statistics as a basis for making future predictions, we’re going to see again more than 95% of these larger glaciers that come to lower elevations shrink and in some cases completely disappear. On the other continents and in the lower 48 where the glacier cover is smaller, we may see an even more rapid disappearance of lower elevation glaciers, especially those that have south facing orientations.

This is evidence of global climate change and regional warming. Global warming is an interesting phrase. It implies a uniform warming of the globe and the data that we have is far more complicated than that. It shows many areas where we can clearly document warming trends, a number of areas where we see very little change and a few areas on the Earth’s surface that are actually cooling. I’d prefer to talk about the specifics in the areas where the glaciers are located and in those regions we’re definitely seeing significant warming trends. In Alaska, for instance, where we have temperature records and climatic evidence that spans more than a hundred years, we see between two and three degree Fahrenheit increase in temperature in the last century. In other parts of the world we’re seeing similar warming. The higher the latitude the greater the amounts of temperature change.

[OrchardDweller]

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." -Barack Obama


Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi
https://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-c...ian-stasi.html

Where is a reliable source for this quote? In a speech to students at the University of Colorado Obama speaks of a civilian Energy Corps and of AmeriCorps:



Is this just another case of right wing slanting from https://www.prisonplanet.com/

here you have it, from the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

[d-cat]

London has first October snow in over 70 years
https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/o...weather-london

Record Low Temperatures in Cuba
https://www.plenglish.com/article.as...D)&language=EN

Record cold freeze grips Middle Tennessee
https://www.theleafchronicle.com/art...SARY/811020323

Brrr! Record cold temps hit Tucson
https://www.kold.com/Global/story.as...9&nav=14RTY3ZV

A record cold morning in Texas
https://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...rd_cold_m.html

Daytona breaks cold record
https://www.news-journalonline.com/N...ST04103008.htm


NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall*records
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate...ed=Get+Records


"it is undisputable that the climate is getting warmer" - Barack Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUH4so7HBZ0

[phooph]

https://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=124...=282&cid=10149

London has first October snow in over 70 years
https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/o...weather-london

Record Low Temperatures in Cuba
https://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BC322765D-6074-48D1-BFDA-5AF80B6D56B8%7D)&language=EN

Record cold freeze grips Middle Tennessee
https://www.theleafchronicle.com/art...SARY/811020323

Brrr! Record cold temps hit Tucson
https://www.kold.com/Global/story.as...9&nav=14RTY3ZV

A record cold morning in Texas
https://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...rd_cold_m.html

Daytona breaks cold record
https://www.news-journalonline.com/N...ST04103008.htm


NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall*records
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate...ed=Get+Records


"it is undisputable that the climate is getting warmer" - Barack Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUH4so7HBZ0

[d-cat]

here you have it, from the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Excellent OrchardDweller! So there you have it - Obama wants "a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military (which recently got a trillion dollar budget!).

Obama also wants to give $845 billion of our tax dollars to the UN through a bill he's sponsoring. That's more than the $700 billion bailout (which Obama voted for). The bailout alone will possibly cost $17,000 to every US household, according to CNET. Of the 100 senators, Obama received the most money from Wall Street, according to the documentary Washington You're Fired.

Change?

[Braggi]

Excellent OrchardDweller! So there you have it - Obama wants "a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military (which recently got a trillion dollar budget!). ...

Here's another case of a statement taken out of context and filtered through the haze of ignorance.

While I agree Obama's choice of words is easily subject to misinterpretation, the kind of national security Obama was talking about was the security of a safe place to live, of safe roads and bridges to drive on, of safe places to eat and sleep. He was talking about fully funding such "security forces" as the Peace Corps which helps us develop world security by making friends instead of enemies. By "well funded as the military" he didn't mean funded with the same number of dollars but fully funded so they don't have to go begging if they want to add a few more volunteers. That's a huge difference. He never suggested the forces that will insure security within our borders should cost the same as the military.

Stop projecting Nazism on Obama. The Neo-(Nazi)-Con was just defeated.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007

This act will “require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.”
Also, “that all residents in the United States aged between 18 and 42 carry out national service, and be available for conscription during wartime. It would allow no deferments after age 20.”
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-393



Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

"It’s time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service" …
https://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil...versal-service



Both Obama and McCain had plans for national service
https://www.johnmccain.com/Informing...ec115c9590.htm

the two-party tyranny thinks your tax money isn't enough!

[Braggi]

H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007 ...

Note the date. It's gone.

... Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service ...

So, how do you feel about the possibility?

... the two-party tyranny thinks your tax money isn't enough!

Yup. A two party tyranny. OK. So now they want three months of each young persons time to train them for disaster preparedness. That could be enough to set a lot of undisciplined people on a positive course for life. That prospect sounds good to me. Something similar happened to me when I was a near total f**k up at age 17. I spent six months with a little discipline. Possibly saved my (at that time) nearly worthless ass.

I have trouble with compulsory anything. Troubles with authority, you know? But I also see the possible benefits for an increasingly (it seems) undisciplined youth in our country. Perhaps a youth corps (I keep spelling that corpse) will help. The experience of comaraderie among youth should come from somewhere besides a street gang.

In Israel they have compulsory military service for all. They serve for years and every person is in the military reserve (if I recall correctly) for life. That does a lot to bond people to each other and to their country. I think that wouldn't work in the US, but three months ... that might work. And I bet it wouldn't cost a trillion dollars either.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

"It’s time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service" …
https://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil...versal-service

Here's some interesting info on the above quoted Obama's chief of staff choice, Rahm Emanuel:

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

[d-cat]

Note the date. It's gone.



So, how do you feel about the possibility?



Yup. A two party tyranny. OK. So now they want three months of each young persons time to train them for disaster preparedness. That could be enough to set a lot of undisciplined people on a positive course for life. That prospect sounds good to me. Something similar happened to me when I was a near total f**k up at age 17. I spent six months with a little discipline. Possibly saved my (at that time) nearly worthless ass.

I have trouble with compulsory anything. Troubles with authority, you know? But I also see the possible benefits for an increasingly (it seems) undisciplined youth in our country. Perhaps a youth corps (I keep spelling that corpse) will help. The experience of comaraderie among youth should come from somewhere besides a street gang.

In Israel they have compulsory military service for all. They serve for years and every person is in the military reserve (if I recall correctly) for life. That does a lot to bond people to each other and to their country. I think that wouldn't work in the US, but three months ... that might work. And I bet it wouldn't cost a trillion dollars either.

-Jeff

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

[d-cat]

Obama’s Civil Defense Program Resembles Domestic Draft

A newly rediscovered 2006 audio clip has shed more light on Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama’s plan for compulsory community service and a “national civilian security force”.

https://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-...tic-draft.html

[handy]

some sorta back on thread news...

November 16, 2008
False Numbers From James Hansen and NASA
Posted by Bill Anderson at November 16, 2008 09:36 PM

It seems that the global warming "prophet" James Hansen and his friends at NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies have been fudging some of the global warming numbers. It was Hansen and Company who told us that this past October was the warmest October on record.

Whoops! It seems that Hansen's acolytes were giving us...September's temperatures. Yes, in the Northern Hemisphere, September tends to be a warmer month than October. (We had six inches of snow at our place a couple days before Halloween.)

Unfortunately, this global warming nonsense is quite serious and threatens our very existence. Al Gore is demanding that in the next decade, this country destroy 70 percent of its capacity to create electricity and replace it with...windmills. That is like destroying a textile mill and replacing it with hand looms. As I have said before, environmentalists like Gore have a grand and great vision for our future; it is just that they do not plan to take part in it.

[Braggi]

... Unfortunately, this global warming nonsense is quite serious and threatens our very existence. Al Gore is demanding that in the next decade, this country destroy 70 percent of its capacity to create electricity and replace it with...windmills. That is like destroying a textile mill and replacing it with hand looms. As I have said before, environmentalists like Gore have a grand and great vision for our future; it is just that they do not plan to take part in it.

OK, there's no such thing as global warming. Fine.

Can we now get on with the business of moving our energy production into the 21st century? We've nearly destroyed the carrying capacity of the planet with our 19th century ways. Let's get those windmills going. Hurry up. The rest of the world is pulling out ahead of us.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

some sorta back on thread news...

November 16, 2008
False Numbers From James Hansen and NASA
Posted by Bill Anderson at November 16, 2008 09:36 PM

It seems that the global warming "prophet" James Hansen and his friends at NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies have been fudging some of the global warming numbers. It was Hansen and Company who told us that this past October was the warmest October on record.

Whoops! It seems that Hansen's acolytes were giving us...September's temperatures. Yes, in the Northern Hemisphere, September tends to be a warmer month than October. (We had six inches of snow at our place a couple days before Halloween.)

Unfortunately, this global warming nonsense is quite serious and threatens our very existence. Al Gore is demanding that in the next decade, this country destroy 70 percent of its capacity to create electricity and replace it with...windmills. That is like destroying a textile mill and replacing it with hand looms. As I have said before, environmentalists like Gore have a grand and great vision for our future; it is just that they do not plan to take part in it.

thanks! here are some reports on that:




IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
Climate scientists allied with the IPCC have been caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating, a shocking example of mass public deception that could spell the beginning of the end for the acceptance of man-made climate change theories.
https://www.infowars.com/?p=6009



The world has never seen such freezing heat

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/.../16/do1610.xml




Documentary:
Global Warming Or Global Governance?
https://video.google.com/videoplay?d...37841241405073

[handy]

The Warmer, the Merrier

by James P. Hogan


Earth warmed a little during the last century as part of the natural climate cycles that have always been happening and always will. The principal agent by far – to the tune of 95% of the total in maintaining an atmosphere that keeps the Earth from freezing at this distance from the Sun – is water vapour, which doesn't even figure in the computer models that the current hysteria is based on, because you can't control it, tax it, or blame it on your favorite villains. At 0.03% of the Earth's atmosphere, carbon dioxide is a minor player, and the proportion of it due to human activities, minuscule – 2% of the 0.03%, which is six millionths of the 5% warming which was due to CO2 to begin with. Put another way, the human contribution works out at three cents in a hundred thousand dollars.

Carbon dioxide did increase over the latter half of the twentieth century, but the assertion that it was all or mainly a result of burning hydrocarbon fuels has no solid foundation. Warming for any reason will release carbon from vast natural reservoirs. Reconstructions of past conditions show CO2 levels up to 20 times higher than at present, before there were any humans at all, and data from such sources as ice cores, lake sediments, and tree rings indicate that in the swings over the ages, the warming occurred first, making CO2 levels a longer-term effect rather than the driver. Mean temperatures actually fell from the late 1940s through to the 1970s and again from around 1998 to the present, while CO2 continued rising steadily, very likely as a consequence of the 300-year recovery from the "mini ice age" of the 17th century. The chart below shows the change in Arctic temperatures over the last 120 years compared to CO2 levels and to variations in the energy output of the Sun. Which do you think is more likely to be driving the temperature?



But even if the recent warming trends were shown to be largely of our own doing, there's more reason for celebration than the panic that we're witnessing. Warm worlds are cheerier, healthier, more secure, and better able to support a richer and more abundant biosphere than cold ones. On land and in the oceans, life thrives in the green equatorial and temperate zones, not the icy higher latitudes. A warmer world would transform the vast wastes of Siberia and northern Canada into forests, gardens, granaries, and habitats, opening up huge areas to accommodate the growing population that some view as a blight, and bring water back to such regions as the Sahara and Middle East, that were once verdant. So, if human activity is capable of making a measurable difference, one would think that a good policy to adopt would be to help things along by using the abundance of energy that the world offers, to increase wealth and living standards generally, and enjoy the environmental benefits.

Instead, we hear eminences that inform and direct the world's peoples calling for legislation to classify carbon dioxide as a pollutant. The irony of such nonsense is that carbon dioxide is plant food, and hence the basic nutrient that supports all life on Earth. A largely unreported consequence of the CO2 increase that took place over the last half century has been a huge increase in agricultural yield, general greening of much of the planet, and more efficient use of water by plants. Because of deficiency in micronutrients, large areas of the oceans are biological deserts that could be "fertilized" at low cost to increase phytoplankton and hence fish populations enormously. Instead of manically and pointlessly seeking to decrease emissions at staggering cost in an attempt to implement an unworkable solution to a nonexistent problem, we could be turning the byproducts of human industrial and agricultural enterprise into living things and abundant food. This really is wonderful news for those who believe that human creativity and cooperation offer the possibility of building better tomorrows for the entire race, and that the choice is ours to make.

It takes real talent in doom-mongering and wilful blindness to turn such promise and potential into a disaster scenario. The Western world has surely never been run by such a pack of fools as those inflicted on it at the present time.

November 22, 2008

James P. Hogan [send him mail], a former digital systems engineer and computer sales executive, has been a full-time writer since 1980. He was born in London, moved to the USA for many years, and now lives in the Republic of Ireland. His web site is at www.jamesphogan.com.

Copyright © 2008 LewRockwell.com

[d-cat]

Scientists on CO2:


"I am at a loss to understand why anyone would regard carbon dioxide as a pollutant. Carbon dioxide, a natural gas produced by human respiration, is a plant nutrient that is beneficial both for people and for the natural environment. It promotes plant growth and reforestation. Faster-growing trees mean lower housing costs for consumers and more habitat for wild species. Higher agricultural yields from carbon dioxide fertilization will result in lower food prices and will facilitate conservation by limiting the need to convert wild areas to arable land." - David Deming, Ph.D. Geophysics


"Many chemicals are absolutely necessary for humans to live, for instance oxygen. Just as necessary, human metabolism produces by-products that are exhaled, like carbon dioxide and water vapor. So, the production of carbon dioxide is necessary, on the most basic level, for humans to survive. The carbon dioxide that is emitted as part of a wide variety of natural processes is, in turn, necessary for vegetation to live. It turns out that most vegetation is somewhat 'starved' for carbon dioxide, as experiments have shown that a wide variety of plants grow faster, and are more drought tolerant, in the presence of doubled carbon dioxide concentrations. Fertilization of the global atmosphere with the extra CO2 that mankind's activities have emitted in the last century is believed to have helped increase agricultural productivity. In short, carbon dioxide is a natural part of our environment, necessary for life, both as 'food' and as a by-product." - Roy Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology


"Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is a colorless, odorless trace gas that actually sustains life on this planet. Consider the simple dynamics of human energy acquisition, which occurs daily across the globe. We eat plants directly, or we consume animals that have fed upon plants, to obtain the energy we need. But where do plants get their energy? Plants produce their own energy during a process called photosynthesis, which uses sunlight to combine water and carbon dioxide into sugars for supporting overall growth and development. Hence, CO2 is the primary raw material that plants depend upon for their existence. Because plants reside beneath animals (including humans) on the food chain, their healthy existence ultimately determines our own. Carbon dioxide can hardly be labeled a pollutant, for it is the basic substrate that allows life to persist on Earth." - Keith E. Idso, Ph.D. Botany


"Atmospheric CO2 is required for life by both plants and animals. It is the sole source of carbon in all of the protein, carbohydrate, fat, and other organic molecules of which living things are constructed. Plants extract carbon from atmospheric CO2 and are thereby fertilized. Animals obtain their carbon from plants. Without atmospheric CO2, none of the life we see on Earth would exist. Water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide are the three most important substances that make life possible. They are surely not environmental pollutants." - Arthur B. Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry


"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality." - Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT


"To suddenly label CO2 as a "pollutant" is a disservice to a gas that has played an enormous role in the development and sustainability of all life on this wonderful Earth. Mother Earth has clearly ruled that CO2 is not a pollutant." - Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University


https://www.populartechnology.net/20...pollution.html

If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant”

A global carbon tax is not so much about limiting CO2 as it is a scheme designed to pay for world government and corporate globalization. “The Climate Change Control Bill strongly supported by Obama calls for an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide and ‘carbon footprints’ from discovery, to production, to consumption at a cost of $50 trillion globally and at a cost of $8 trillion for US taxpayers, all to be paid for by a global tax, whose monies will be used to establish a world government body,” writes Patrick Briley
https://infowars.net/articles/october2008/171008CO2.htm


Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant
https://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...d=a2RHIj_6hvV0

[theindependenteye]

>>"I am at a loss to understand why anyone would regard carbon dioxide as a pollutant. ... (etc.)

I don't think there's much disagreement with any of these quotes. If a law is drafted, they might do well to find a different word than "pollutant."

But none of that speaks to the issue of whether CO2 buildup is a threat or not. The same arguments might apply to water, but if you're over your head in it, you're likely to experience some discomfort.

Cheers—
Conrad

[Zeno Swijtink]

The dose makes the poison - Paracelsus