Al Gore & The Global Warming Agenda

[d-cat]

Decade has had fewest 90-degree days since 1930
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...0,918946.story

2008 Coolest For At Least Five Years
Man-made climate change advocates scramble to explain away failure of global warming to appear as ordered
https://www.prisonplanet.com/2008-co...ive-years.html

Spotless days: 400 and counting
https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.co...-and-counting/

Experimental Link Found Between Sun and Climate
https://www.dailytech.com/Experiment...ticle12804.htm

British families pay almost £800 per year in 'dishonest' green taxes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...een-taxes.html

[Braggi]

I've been to France five times ... One usually has their main meal at lunch, and eats that at a fix price menu inexpensively at the local brasserie. ... They practice portion control. ... I know large stores where one can buy groceries in Paris for reasonable prices. ... They are slim due to the portion control and also all the walking and stair climbing. ... you can buy from an open market and specify how much you want, too. ... As in any big city, the tourist traps are for tourists, and the locals don't go to Le Marche aux Puces, but instead to one of the lesser known on the outskirts of town in other areas such as the one on Saturdays at Porte des Vanves where I found fantastic bargains. I didn't see many tourists there. ... They don't drive big SUVs and head for Costco to fill up for three months of toilet paper! I doubt many of us head to downtown Healdsburg to do our shopping, either, however the tourists staying in the lovely hotels there wouldn't be able to find a home improvement center, either. They do exist, but not where the tourists congregate.

Les Marche aux Puces in the north of Paris has many markets withing the one large market. ... I got a lovely brass door knocker for $8 which is now on my front door, and a vingage post card of my favorite place in Paris for less than $1.

If you want a cheap cafe in a cafe, do like the locals do...stand at the bar. It is always more expensive if you sit at a table. ... I've had fantastic wine in France, and for $3 a bottle. You can buy yuckie wine here too if you don't know what you are doing. Good champagne was more affordable, too. Perhaps you just didn't know where to shop. ...
Next time, take me and I'll show you! OOOOh la la!!!

About the only thing you are right about, regarding us, is that we shop in Healdsburg. i guess you didn't exactly say that, but I know where the bargains are in Healdsburg and I know of several home improvement centers any tourist could find by looking in the phone book or by asking any merchant. These methods failed in Paris.

We were in Paris three weeks and we did our homework. We followed the advice of several locals and various guidebooks in our search for bargains. We didn't follow the path of the typical tourist. We knew what we were doing. BTW, good French champagne is cheaper here in Costco or any discount liquor store than anywhere in Paris proper; and I mean in "units" that is, fewer dollars per bottle here than Euros there. I don't know how they can afford to do that either. We spent well over $50 for a bottle of bubbly we could have had for $35 in Costco. The prices were within one half Euro every place we looked. No doubt there is a discount wine "cave" somewhere in Paris. We didn't see any though we checked out many stores from sleazy hole-in-the-wall types to Le Bon Marché. Although prices in store windows are often posted, the notion of a "sale" on wine didn't appear to exist. Because of the time of year, most of the clothing stores had big sales going on. However, even at 70% off, French clothing is no bargain. An awful lot of it is just plain weird looking. I guess i just have to face it, I'm a cheapskate and I have no taste in clothes. Beautiful and well dressed women Paris has in abundance. I don't know where they get their clothes.

French wine sucks. I bought numerous bottles both red and white. We bought cheap and expensive, from "take a chance" grab and buy to getting advice from experts. I don't think we had any, save some of that very expensive champagne, that wasn't bested by mid price (sub $20) wine from California. Two Buck Chuck was better than most of what we had. No, I'm no expert at buying French wine, but I do have an educated palate for California wine. I'll give it to them that they have their own tastes they are striving for, but this California boy thinks their grapes just aren't as good as ours. Some of the best wine we had was rosé, curiously enough. I'm usually not big on rosé. I'm willing to learn more.

About standing at a bar in order to get a bargain lunch, well, after spending all day walking, it's certainly worth paying a few extra bucks to sit down. I have no problem with that. However, even if you stand, you're still going to pay at least $10 for a very minimal lunch that is likely to leave you hungry. And don't buy a coffee with that. A tiny cup will set you back two and a half to four Euros and there's no such thing as a free refill on anything in Paris. (I did learn to order "cafe long" which was described on one menu as "more water than coffee." That's how you get a big cup for the same price as an espresso.) The facts are clear: everything costs more in Paris. A lot more. There are few bargains.

I did mention in my original post that I found a few inexpensive treasures at the flea market, just as you mentioned. So ... we agree? Most items are cheap crap at inflated prices or very expensive antiques. There is an occasional bargain, but this is not the Paris flea market of 20 years ago when most of the sellers sold out of the trunk of a car and it was all used household items. Those days are gone just as they are at many of the US flea markets (Sebastopol being a notable exception).

OK, bottom line: I had a great time in Paris. I knew going in things were going to be expensive and Paris lived up to that expectation big time. We budgeted for all that so it wasn't a big disappointment. My comments here relate mostly to the fact that the benefits of the Euro do not appear to be trickling down to the street level. I'm sure things are a lot easier for governments and international bankers, but there seem to be few advantages for the common person except that you don't have to exchange your money when you travel from country to country.

The people in Paris have, generally speaking, a much lower standard of living than people in the US. Seeing all the people with missing teeth will tell you that. Beggars are everywhere as are people sleeping and "relieving" themselves in the street. The notion portrayed in "Sicko" that French health care is so much better than in the US is not evident as there were people everywhere walking around with a single "Canadian" crutch for some reason. My guess is that this somehow identifies them as disabled and gets them additional government benefits.

If "globalization" brings us the standard of living now available in Paris, I'm not going to welcome it.

-Jeff

[Valley Oak]

I can't speak for France but I lived in Spain for 6.5 years and I can speak from my experience of having lived in that country. The wine that I bought and drank in Spain was cheaper and better quality, on average, than the wine here in the States in general or California in particular. It was a huge disappointment for my wife, who is a Spanish citizen, and myself when we came to the States in 1996 (returning for me; I'm a US citizen, born and raised). Wine had always been a part of our lunch and dinner table in Spain and the vast majority of the time here in the US we have to eat without wine because it's too expensive or because the affordable stuff is too disgusting.

Edward

About the only thing you are right about, regarding us, is that we shop in Healdsburg. i guess you didn't exactly say that, but I know where the bargains are in Healdsburg and I know of several home improvement centers any tourist could find by looking in the phone book or by asking any merchant. These methods failed in Paris.

We were in Paris three weeks and we did our homework. We followed the advice of several locals and various guidebooks in our search for bargains. We didn't follow the path of the typical tourist. We knew what we were doing. BTW, good French champagne is cheaper here in Costco or any discount liquor store than anywhere in Paris proper; and I mean in "units" that is, fewer dollars per bottle here than Euros there. I don't know how they can afford to do that either. No doubt there is a discount wine "cave" somewhere in Paris. We didn't see any though we checked out many stores from sleazy hole-in-the-wall types to Le Bon Marché. Although prices in store windows are often posted, the notion of a "sale" on wine didn't appear to exist. Because of the time of year, most of the clothing stores had big sales going on. However, even at 70% off, French clothing is no bargain. An awful lot of it is just plain weird looking. I guess i just have to face it, I'm a cheapskate and I have no taste in clothes. Beautiful and well dressed women Paris has in abundance. I don't know where they get their clothes.

French wine sucks. I bought numerous bottles both red and white. We bought cheap and expensive, from "take a chance" grab and buy to getting advice from experts. I don't think we had any, save some of that very expensive champagne, that wasn't bested by mid price (sub $20) wine from California. Two Buck Chuck was better than most of what we had. No, I'm no expert at buying French wine, but I do have an educated palate for California wine. I'll give it to them that they have their own tastes they are striving for, but this California boy thinks their grapes just aren't as good as ours. Some of the best wine we had was rosé, curiously enough. I'm usually not big on rosé. I'm willing to learn more.

About standing at a bar in order to get a bargain lunch, well, after spending all day walking, it's certainly worth paying a few extra bucks to sit down. I have no problem with that. However, even if you stand, you're still going to pay at least $10 for a very minimal lunch that is likely to leave you hungry. And don't buy a coffee with that. A tiny cup will set you back two and a half to four Euros and there's no such thing as a free refill on anything in Paris. (I did learn to order "cafe long" which was described on one menu as "more water than coffee." That's how you get a big cup for the same price as an espresso.) The facts are clear: everything costs more in Paris. A lot more. There are few bargains.

I did mention in my original post that I found a few inexpensive treasures at the flea market, just as you mentioned. So ... we agree? Most items are cheap crap at inflated prices or very expensive antiques. There is an occasional bargain, but this is not the Paris flea market of 20 years ago when most of the sellers sold out of the trunk of a car and it was all used household items. Those days are gone just as they are at many of the US flea markets (Sebastopol being a notable exception).

OK, bottom line: I had a great time in Paris. I knew going in things were going to be expensive and Paris lived up to that expectation big time. We budgeted for all that so it wasn't a big disappointment. My comments here relate mostly to the fact that the benefits of the Euro do not appear to be trickling down to the street level. I'm sure things are a lot easier for governments and international bankers, but there seem to be few advantages for the common person except that you don't have to exchange your money when you travel from country to country.

The people in Paris have, generally speaking, a much lower standard of living than people in the US. Seeing all the people with missing teeth and ragged clothes will tell you that. Beggars are everywhere as are people sleeping and "relieving" themselves in the street. The notion portrayed in "Sicko" that French health care is so much better than in the US is not evident as there were people everywhere walking around with a single "Canadian" crutch for some reason. My guess is that this somehow identifies them as disabled and gets them additional government benefits.

If "globalization" brings us the standard of living now available in Paris, I'm not going to welcome it.

-Jeff

[OrchardDweller]

EU Throwing Habeas Corpus Out The Window
https://business.timesonline.co.uk/t...cle4664049.ece

The US has already done this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Ig2ob_8es

and they lie to us about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIFqYVAOosM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhcECnWRGM




oh, and btw:

'Snowfall' shocks Kenyan village
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7596134.stm

[Braggi]

[b]EU Throwing Habeas Corpus Out The Window ...

Aha! There goes that Al Gore again and his Agenda! Now you have him.

... 'Snowfall' shocks Kenyan village
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7596134.stm

Did you actually read the article? It wasn't snow nor was it unprecedented.

Try this: https://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...4&refer=canada

and this:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ma...4/eaice104.xml

-Jeff

[OrchardDweller]

Aha! There goes that Al Gore again and his Agenda! Now you have him.



Did you actually read the article? It wasn't snow nor was it unprecedented.

Try this: https://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...4&refer=canada

and this:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ma...4/eaice104.xml

-Jeff

I posted an article using the name of the article. So who are you talking to? The BBC?

They do not say it was snow or that it was unprecedented and neither did I. It says "Residents of a village in central Kenya were shocked to see a blanket of hail resembling snow covering their land." You're making things up in your head. You seem to be arguing with your own imagination.

If you wanna believe global climate change is man-made, go ahead. I've read their plans to use it on people like you.

[lynn]

Boy, that is depressing about 'Habeas Corpus'....

[OrchardDweller]

Boy, that is depressing about 'Habeas Corpus'....

What's even more depressing to me is that nobody seems to care. Or even know what it is!

[OrchardDweller]

EU poster



One Voice = Tyranny
Many Voices = Liberty + Progress

The Philosophy of Liberty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

[Braggi]

I posted an article using the name of the article. So who are you talking to? The BBC?

They do not say it was snow or that it was unprecedented and neither did I. It says "Residents of a village in central Kenya were shocked to see a blanket of hail resembling snow covering their land." You're making things up in your head. You seem to be arguing with your own imagination.

If you wanna believe global climate change is man-made, go ahead. I've read their plans to use it on people like you.

So why so defensive? You're being a bit of a jerk here OrchardDweller.

I just pointed out some facts and asked if you'd actually read the article.

Perhaps you could share with us what the plan is for "people like me."

-Jeff

[beatricepenelope]

I love you.

[handy]

from the BBC:

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/...nd/7599810.stm

he Environment Minister Sammy Wilson has angered green campaigners by describing their view on climate change as a "hysterical psuedo-religion".
In an article in the News Letter, Mr Wilson said he believed it occurred naturally and was not man-made.
"Resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it," said the minister.
Peter Doran of the Green Party said it was a "deeply irresponsible message."
Mr Wilson said he refused to "blindly accept" the need to make significant changes to the economy to stop climate change.
"The tactic used by the "green gang" is to label anyone who dares disagree with their view of climate change as some kind of nutcase who denies scientific fact," he said.
The minister said he accepted climate change can occur, but does not believe the cause has been identified.
"Reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists."
John Woods of Friends of the Earth said Mr Wilson was "like a cigarette salesman denying that smoking causes cancer".
"Ironically, if we listen to him Northern Ireland will suffer economically as we are left behind by smarter regions who are embracing the low carbon economy of the future."
It is the latest clash between Mr Wilson and green groups since his appointment as environment minister in June.
he Environment Minister Sammy Wilson has angered green campaigners by describing their view on climate change as a "hysterical psuedo-religion".
In an article in the News Letter, Mr Wilson said he believed it occurred naturally and was not man-made.
"Resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it," said the minister.
Peter Doran of the Green Party said it was a "deeply irresponsible message."
Mr Wilson said he refused to "blindly accept" the need to make significant changes to the economy to stop climate change.
"The tactic used by the "green gang" is to label anyone who dares disagree with their view of climate change as some kind of nutcase who denies scientific fact," he said.
The minister said he accepted climate change can occur, but does not believe the cause has been identified.
"Reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists."
John Woods of Friends of the Earth said Mr Wilson was "like a cigarette salesman denying that smoking causes cancer".
"Ironically, if we listen to him Northern Ireland will suffer economically as we are left behind by smarter regions who are embracing the low carbon economy of the future."
It is the latest clash between Mr Wilson and green groups since his appointment as environment minister in June.

[d-cat]

all roads lead to Babylon...

EU poster

European Parliament; Strasbourg, France

[d-cat]

They own the heavens!

Illegal To Collect Rain Water In USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj1-yS6tcOs

[Braggi]

They own the heavens!

Illegal To Collect Rain Water In USA
]

Very impressive. Note they are not interested in being challenged in court.

There are a lot of stupid laws. Clearly this is one of them.

-Jeff

[RichT]

Very impressive. Note they are not interested in being challenged in court.

There are a lot of stupid laws. Clearly this is one of them.

-Jeff

This is derived from English common law, where our property ownership concepts are derived from. The intent is not to deprive downstream neighbors of use of flowing water. What is required is a specific law allowing for capture and use of rainwater.

There are often instances where one user overburdens a water source to the detriment of others. Here in Sonoma County we have vineyards installing deep, high-volume wells that draw down a local aquifer. Residential neighbors are left with dry wells; a lawsuit is there only recourse to remedy the situation.

Collecting rainwater makes sense. Each jurisdiction needs legislation making allowances for it.

[OrchardDweller]

So why so defensive? You're being a bit of a jerk here OrchardDweller.

I just pointed out some facts and asked if you'd actually read the article.

Perhaps you could share with us what the plan is for "people like me."

-Jeff

try looking here
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=37657

[OrchardDweller]

article from March of this year...

UN rejects water as basic human right

...a special resolution proposed by Germany and Spain at the UN human rights council was stripped of references that recognized access to water as a human right. The countries also chose to scrap the idea of creating an international watchdog to investigate the issue, choosing instead to appoint a new consultant that would make recommendations over the next three years.

Federal officials in Canada said last week that the government wanted to ensure the meeting's outcome reflected the fact that access to water is not formally recognized as a human right in international law. But a social advocacy group said that the position was designed to protect the right to sell water under the North American Free Trade Agreement...

https://www.canada.com/topics/news/w...4-c17a46fe3e26

[OrchardDweller]

US Mayors Agree to Phase Out Bottled Water

The US Conference of Mayors on Monday passed a resolution calling for a phasing out of bottled water by municipalities and promoting the importance of public water supplies.

https://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/25/9872/

The only drinking water accessible to most people would be the water that the govt has complete control over.

[Braggi]

US Mayors Agree to Phase Out Bottled Water

The US Conference of Mayors on Monday passed a resolution calling for a phasing out of bottled water by municipalities and promoting the importance of public water supplies.

https://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/25/9872/

The only drinking water accessible to most people would be the water that the govt has complete control over.

What a nonsensical conclusion! Did you actually read the article?

Go back and read.

Sheesh.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

Arctic Sea Ice Melt Season Officially Over; ice up over 9% from last year
https://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.co...rom-last-year/

Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage
https://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=12851

Predictions of open water prove incorrect as 1.74 million square miles of ice survive
https://www.businessandmedia.org/art...917152523.aspx

An Inconvenient Truth exaggerated sea level rise
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ma...scigore104.xml


meanwhile...




Global network necessary to confront climate change crisis, says UN's Ban Ki-moon
https://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=28063

[d-cat]

and don't just take Ban Ki-Moon's word for it!

https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...ons.georgebush

[d-cat]

North America Must Integrate for Trade, Mexican president Calderon Says

https://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...=latin_america

[d-cat]

Canadian Prime Minister Harper officially endorses North American Union

https://www.prisonplanet.com/prime-m...can-union.html

[d-cat]

Ban Ki-moon calls for 'global leadership'

UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday stressed the need for "global leadership" as he pressed world leaders not to pursue narrow national interests in the face of hard economic times...
https://www.breitbart.com/article.ph...show_article=1




Hey Ban Ki-Moon - why don't you and your unelected friends get your own house in order!

Teenagers 'used for sex by UN in Bosnia' (2002)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Bosnia%27.html

Peace at What Price?: U.N. Sex Crimes in Congo (2005)
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/UnitedNa...tory?id=489306

UN staff accused of raping children in Sudan (2007)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-in-Sudan.html

Aid workers raping, abusing children (2008)
https://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europ...ers/index.html

Peacekeepers 'abusing children' (2008)
https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7420798.stm

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[d-cat]

if you thought the $700 billion bailout was bad, look at this from July!

https://www.worldnetdaily.com/index....w&pageId=70308

[Braggi]

if you thought the $700 billion bailout was bad, look at this from July! ...

Judging from the banner ad at the top of that page, I'd say the article is full of crap. But let's just hope it's true and that it actually happens. Can you imagine if the US was viewed as the force bringing clean water and healthy food supplies to the world? Can you imagine if we fostered better health care for children instead of bringing war and pestilence and torture?

That would be so much cheaper than war, even one war. Perhaps we'd redevelop alliances with other countries instead of just appearing as a rapist, thief and murderer.

I'd vote for it.

Thanks for sharing d-cat. Hope it's true.

-Jeff

[OrchardDweller]

Can you imagine if the US was viewed as the force bringing clean water and healthy food supplies to the world? Can you imagine if we fostered better health care for children instead of bringing war and pestilence and torture?

Can you imagine the US economy collapsing?

[d-cat]

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
by Naomi Wolf
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...24/usa.comment

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system*
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

*In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. This surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.




“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." -Barack Obama


Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi
https://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-c...ian-stasi.html

I find this really weird...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxJ7t3U3TDg

like the Hitler Youth in Germany (don't miss the singing following the b&w stuff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_eIQQpDGQ

it's like something from a totalitarian state!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoXMn_nJK90

[Braggi]

Can you imagine the US economy collapsing?

I don't have to. It already is. Thing is, it's collapsing after we've made ourselves the pariah of the world. Wouldn't it be better if we'd been supporting other countries and helping them in the years leading up to a problem like we're involved in right now? What if we had a whole lot of friends around the world instead of a whole lot of enemies?

What we've been doing is not only expensive but incredibly destructive. Nobody's very likely to stand up and help us out. That could have been different.

-Jeff