Al Gore & The Global Warming Agenda

[thewholetruth]

Well, gosh, Ms. Terry. I'm not sure who "she" is, that you're referring to. And there is no such thing as "YOUR truth". Are you asking about my opinion? Or did you mean to ask about "THE truth"? Anyway, to answer your question:

"You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty (see What Does Satan Look Like?). You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the Holy Mount of God; you walked among the firey stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you." (Ezekiel 28:12-15)


The horrendously wicked spirit-being that we now know as Satan has not always existed. He was created by God, not as the evil loser (see The Lame Duck) that he is now, but as the above Scripture describes, created perfect in wisdom and beauty. Satan was, at a time long ago, perfectly righteous and obedient before God. Put another way, at one time, Satan could have been one of the best friends that any Christian could have!

But Satan went bad, very bad -
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! [or Lucifer, which means light-bringer] You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like The Most High." (Isaiah 14:12-14)

Satan didn't just refuse to obey God any longer, which was bad enough; he actually tried to overthrow God! The attempted coup failed of course, as described by Jesus Christ: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18) (see A Picture O Heaven). This would have occurred long before His birth in Bethlehem as a human (see Rock Of Ages). Satan was still on earth during the time of Jesus' ministry (see Go Ahead, Jump! and That Old Serpent), and was directly involved in His betrayal by Judas Iscariot (see Why Did He Do It?).
God created the perfectly-righteous Lucifer, by God's choice. Lucifer created the absolutely-wicked Satan, by Lucifer's choice. Lucifer, and all of the millions of angels had the power of choice - to obey, or to rebel. Most chose to obey God, while some followed Satan's rebellion and have become hopelessly corrupt (see Could Satan Repent?).

Click any of those links to see where I got that explanation, Ms. Terry. I used a website called "Google", a funny name, I know, but it will find just about any information you'd ever want to know! For future reference, anyway.

Don, my church doesn't preach hell and damnation, it teaches inspiration, admiration and a quest for understanding.
In fact, part of the congregation is atheist, some are agnostics but all are devoted to acceptance.
Don, please share YOUR truth with us.
So why did God create Satan, Don?
Aren't we to love and cherish all of her creations?

[thewholetruth]

Hey, Ms. Terry, you probably didn't realize that we're already making Lorrie mad, posting this subject matter here! She must have a very tiny inbox because she said we're filling it up with our messages! Maybe we should move this discussion somewhere else, like, ohhhh, I don't know...How about one of the Barrack Hussein Obama threads?

Don, my church doesn't preach hell and damnation, it teaches inspiration, admiration and a quest for understanding.
In fact, part of the congregation is atheist, some are agnostics but all are devoted to acceptance.
Don, please share YOUR truth with us.
So why did God create Satan, Don?
Aren't we to love and cherish all of her creations?

[Lenny]

So why did God create Satan, Don?
Aren't we to love and cherish all of her creations?

So I am going to hell because I don't cherish moths, poison oak, sand in my shoes, and a couple of other knick-knacks? Hell ain't worth more than

[Lenny]

Don, my church doesn't preach hell and damnation, it teaches inspiration, admiration and a quest for understanding.
In fact, part of the congregation is atheist, some are agnostics but all are devoted to acceptance. Don, please share YOUR truth with us. So why did God create Satan, Don? Aren't we to love and cherish all of her creations?

Is there a contradiction in terms here? Atheists in church? Never!
Agnostics? Maybe they wander in occasionally?
And what does "all devoted to acceptance" mean? No, never mind. I've got to live the rest of my day, life, and the grave, to even consider the beginning of THAT question/answer!
Oh, and WHY EVIL? has been the most difficult to answer, especially in classic Christianity. I like their answer, but it still begs the questions: Satan chose due to free will.

[Braggi]

... You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the Holy Mount of God ...

So, Pastor, are God and Satan flesh and blood beings that wear jewels and gold?

-Jeff

[thewholetruth]

So, Pastor, are God and Satan flesh and blood beings that wear jewels and gold?

-Jeff

You'll have to read the book yourself, Jeff. It's all in there.

[thewholetruth]

So, Pastor, are God and Satan flesh and blood beings that wear jewels and gold?

-Jeff

Say, Jeff, why do you call me Pastor? Am I your pastor?

[MsTerry]

Well, gosh, Ms. Terry. I'm not sure who "she" is, that you're referring to

Jeeeeeeeewizzzzzzzzzzzz, Don. Don't you refer to God as "She" ?

And there is no such thing as "YOUR truth". Are you asking about my opinion? Or did you mean to ask about "THE truth"?

Jeeeeeeeewizzzzzzzzzzzz, again, Don.
I took your advice, Don, and googled God.
Look what I found, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God, turns out there IS more than One Truth!
Thanks for the enlightenment

(see What Does Satan Look Like?).

Gosh darn, Don, I followed your advice again,
Now I always thought that was a picture of Jesus.
Thanks for the warning, no more Jesus Christians in my house!

I am a little confused about this picture, are you trying to suggest that DrLove is in on this too?

.Anyway, to answer your question: , Ms. Terry. I used a website called "Google", a funny name, I know, but it will find just about any information you'd ever want to know! For future reference, anyway.

This is a great gift, Don.
Especially since I thought you were in direct communication with God, but you are confessing it is Google.

[thewholetruth]

*Polite smile* to the INTOLERANT LIBERAL Ms. Terry who professes to be tolerant as she mocks me for my faith.

I'm tellin' ya, Ms. Terry, today's Liberalism is a bastardized version based on intolerance and homosexual codependence that is nothing like the Liberalism of yesteryear. It shouldn't even be called Liberalism, in fact, it's so far away from where it started. You are clearcut evidence of that.

Mocking someone because of their faith, Ms. Terry? Tsk-tsk-tsk.

Jeeeeeeeewizzzzzzzzzzzz, Don. Don't you refer to God as "She" ?
Jeeeeeeeewizzzzzzzzzzzz, again, Don.
I took your advice, Don, and googled God.
Look what I found, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God, turns out there IS more than One Truth!
Thanks for the enlightenment

Gosh darn, Don, I followed your advice again,
Now I always thought that was a picture of Jesus.
Thanks for the warning, no more Jesus Christians in my house!

I am a little confused about this picture, are you trying to suggest that DrLove is in on this too?



This is a great gift, Don.
Especially since I thought you were in direct communication with God, but you are confessing it is Google.

[MsTerry]

*Polite smile* to the INTOLERANT LIBERAL Ms. Terry who professes to be tolerant as she mocks me for my faith.

I'm tellin' ya, Ms. Terry, today's Liberalism is a bastardized version based on intolerance and homosexual codependence that is nothing like the Liberalism of yesteryear. It shouldn't even be called Liberalism, in fact, it's so far away from where it started. You are clearcut evidence of that.

Mocking someone because of their faith, Ms. Terry? Tsk-tsk-tsk.

Don, can you explain yourself?
How am I intolerant? Words have meaning you know!
You enjoy offending people, but also are offended yourself so quickly and then it is back to calling people Liberals and Christian-haters.
Have I told you I am a Liberal? Or do you just call anyone who doesn't agree with you a liberal?
Should I start calling you names too? Which one do you prefer?

I am still puzzled on why you sent a picture of what looks like Jesus under the heading What Does Satan Look Like?
Maybe it is you who is mocking Christianity?

[thewholetruth]

Don, can you explain yourself?

Why yes, I can.

How am I intolerant?

You're mocking me, Ms. Terry. Do you mock folks who worship cows? Do you mock folks who believe God is a woman? Do you mock folks who don't believe in any god at all? Yet you mock my belief that there is One True God, Ma'am. How intolerant can you get? Not much more intolerant than that, Ms. Terry.

Words have meaning you know!

I know that, perhaps as well as anyone here.

You enjoy offending people, but also are offended yourself so quickly and then it is back to calling people Liberals and Christian-haters.

I didn't call you a Christian-hater, Ms. Terry. Freudian slip, perhaps?

Have I told you I am a Liberal?

Why yes, you have. Your comments reveal that about you as clear as day. Words mean something, remember, Ma'am?

Or do you just call anyone who doesn't agree with you a liberal?

I call Liberals "Liberals", Ma'am. Most Liberals don't take offense like you have here. There is a distinct difference between Conservatives, Moderates and Liberals, Ms. Terry. I can recognize that difference much of the time. Can't you?

Should I start calling you names too? Which one do you prefer?

"Christian" would work for me. "Sir" works for me, as well, if you have a problem using the word "Christian" in a way other than with the intention to offend.

I am still puzzled on why you sent a picture of what looks like Jesus under the heading What Does Satan Look Like?
Maybe it is you who is mocking Christianity?

I won't even justify that with a response, Ma'am. Raise the bar, Ma'am. I won't spend much time down in the mud with anyone. It's a complete waste of time that ignorant people seem to love to participate in. I, however, do not have time for such ignorant nonsense.

[MsTerry]

Sir,

FYI I have attached the difference between mockery and intolerant.
Words have meanings, even for Christians

to mock (third-person singular simple present mocks, present participle mocking, simple past and past participle mocked)

1. to mimic, to simulate
2. to make fun of by mimicking, to taunt
3. to disappoint someone

intolerant

1. Unable or indisposed to tolerate, endure or bear.
2. Not tolerant; close-minded about new or different ideas. indisposed to tolerate contrary opinions or beliefs; impatient of dissent or opposition; denying or refusing the right of private opinion or choice in others; inclined to persecute or suppress dissent.

I didn't call you a Christian-hater, Ms. Terry. Freudian slip, perhaps?

You have called me that, Sir . Your slip.

I call Liberals "Liberals", Ma'am. Most Liberals don't take offense like you have here. There is a distinct difference between Conservatives, Moderates and Liberals, Ms. Terry. I can recognize that difference much of the time. Can't you?

I don't recall taking offense, Sir Christian

I won't even justify that with a response, Ma'am. Raise the bar, Ma'am. I won't spend much time down in the mud with anyone. It's a complete waste of time that ignorant people seem to love to participate in. I, however, do not have time for such ignorant nonsense.

People who can't defend their statements resort to dismissive statements such as yours.
Since you equated Jesus with Satan, I can understand your internal confusion. Words have a meaning, Sir Christian

You're mocking me, Ms. Terry. Do you mock folks who worship cows? Do you mock folks who believe God is a woman? Do you mock folks who don't believe in any god at all? Yet you mock my belief that there is One True God, Ma'am. How intolerant can you get? Not much more intolerant than that, Ms. Terry.

No, Sir, I don't mock your belief system. I mock the condescending way you write to me. The way you preach like you know something more than anyone else, the way you act like you are superior to me or any one else on this board.
I followed YOUR advice, Googled God and it turns out, you became a mockery of your One Truth Crusade, Sir
Words have meanings, Sir

[Braggi]

Say, Jeff, why do you call me Pastor? Am I your pastor?

Well, I actually followed Zeno's cue and I probably shouldn't have. But you did make a post that pretty much assumed your audience was a flock. (Pastor means shepherd for those who wonder about that comment.)

I meant no offense by the comment.

-Jeff

[thewholetruth]

Well, I actually followed Zeno's cue and I probably shouldn't have. But you did make a post that pretty much assumed your audience was a flock. (Pastor means shepherd for those who wonder about that comment.)

I meant no offense by the comment.

-Jeff

I took no offense. Zeno seems to have peeked at my profile before I cleaned it up. I certainly didn't intentionally imply that the audience here was my flock, if I did that. That wouldn't be accurate. Thanks for the clarification. I just wondered why. I know I didn't announce it.

[thewholetruth]

Alrighty then...

Sir,

FYI I have attached the difference between mockery and intolerant.
Words have meanings, even for Christians

You have called me that, Sir . Your slip.

I don't recall taking offense, Sir Christian


People who can't defend their statements resort to dismissive statements such as yours.
Since you equated Jesus with Satan, I can understand your internal confusion. Words have a meaning, Sir Christian


No, Sir, I don't mock your belief system. I mock the condescending way you write to me. The way you preach like you know something more than anyone else, the way you act like you are superior to me or any one else on this board.
I followed YOUR advice, Googled God and it turns out, you became a mockery of your One Truth Crusade, Sir
Words have meanings, Sir

[MsTerry]

I took no offense. Zeno seems to have peeked at my profile before I cleaned it up. I certainly didn't intentionally imply that the audience here was my flock, if I did that. That wouldn't be accurate. Thanks for the clarification. I just wondered why. I know I didn't announce it.

Your answer can be interpreted two ways.
Do you care to clarify whether you are a pastor, or not?

[thewholetruth]

Your answer can be interpreted two ways.
Do you care to clarify whether you are a pastor, or not?

Do you care to clarify why that would make any difference to you, Ms. Terry? Seems odd to me that you would even ask me to give you personal information about myself, Ma'am. Do I seem that stupid to you that I would tell anyone online anything about myself which they might use to try to harm me?

[MsTerry]

WOW, Don.
This is the most revealing statement you have made about yourself so far!
I wish you all the best, and the people around you.

Do you care to clarify why that would make any difference to you, Ms. Terry? Seems odd to me that you would even ask me to give you personal information about myself, Ma'am. Do I seem that stupid to you that I would tell anyone online anything about myself which they might use to try to harm me?

[thewholetruth]

WOW, Don.
This is the most revealing statement you have made about yourself so far!
I wish you all the best, and the people around you.

*Polite smile, slow, friendly nod*

[OrchardDweller]

Big Business to back carbon trading
BIG business will today pledge full support for an emissions trading scheme.
https://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...013404,00.html


Al Gore's green-investing partner goes for the gold
https://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...A20E83CFAF0%7D


'Green' car tax will hit poorest hardest
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...roadtax410.xml


Air fares set for dramatic rise under EU emissions scheme
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ns-scheme.html

[lynn]

d-cat...

I have problems with the whole 'global warming is man made chant'...But the water situation is definitely a problem...Thanks to overpopulation, Big Ag. and stupid decisions...

A good series for Californian's and all Southwesterner's to watch is 'Cadillac Desert'...

[lynn]

'Green' car tax will hit poorest hardest
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...roadtax410.xml

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Yep, that's why I can't stand the 'global warming' apocolyptic nut-jobs...

[StormDancer]

d-cat...

I have problems with the whole 'global warming is man made chant'...But the water situation is definitely a problem...Thanks to overpopulation, Big Ag. and stupid decisions...

A good series for Californian's and all Southwesterner's to watch is 'Cadillac Desert'...

Please explain "Cadillac Desert."
-ALW

[Zeno Swijtink]

Please explain "Cadillac Desert."
-ALW

See https://iii.sonoma.edu/record=b1399169~S6

[OrchardDweller]

UN rejects water as basic human right

...a special resolution proposed by Germany and Spain at the UN human rights council was stripped of references that recognized access to water as a human right. The countries also chose to scrap the idea of creating an international watchdog to investigate the issue, choosing instead to appoint a new consultant that would make recommendations over the next three years...

https://www.canada.com/topics/news/w...4-c17a46fe3e26

[MsTerry]

It looks a little more complicated than your simple slogan

Meantime, Barlow denied that the resolution would require Canada to make bulk water exports to the U.S.
"The requirement in the United States would be for them to conserve first," said Barlow. "There's no requirement as a human right for us to provide water for swimming pools and golf courses and fountains in Las Vegas."

UN rejects water as basic human right

...a special resolution proposed by Germany and Spain at the UN human rights council was stripped of references that recognized access to water as a human right. The countries also chose to scrap the idea of creating an international watchdog to investigate the issue, choosing instead to appoint a new consultant that would make recommendations over the next three years...

https://www.canada.com/topics/news/w...4-c17a46fe3e26

[d-cat]

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
by Naomi Wolf
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...24/usa.comment

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system*
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

*In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. This surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.




“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." -Barack Obama


Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi
https://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-c...ian-stasi.html

British Kids Encouraged To Become "Climate Cops"
Full page adverts in weekend newspapers ask kids to rat on their friends and family in order to prevent "climate crimes"
https://infowars.net/articles/july20...limatecops.htm

[thewholetruth]

Despite choosing a rascist church to raise his daughters in for 20 years, and despite all the ridiculous, "sounds-good-from-here" idealistic blah-blah that has nothing to do with reality, and despite the fact that the man has no experience whatsoever which would qualify him as a viable candidate for President of the United State - despite all this and more, the fact that HE'S BLACK is the only reason stooges and fools are going to vote for Barrack HUSSEIN OBAMA. What a mockery the Enemy is making out of Americans right now, that he would even prop up a man with the words HUSSEIN and OBAMA in his name. Ultimately, I seriously doubt this idiot will win the election, although McCain isn't a viable alternative. But I suspect when the real America turns out at the polls, Hussein Obama will be making the traditional concession speech, accusing America of being racist.

America feels so bad about how black slaves were treated that they would even consider a man who is so unqualified speaks volumes about how far guilt goes, even when it's more than 7 generations removed.

The man's black. Yay. Try putting up a black man that is qualified to lead our country, not one who has ties and plans to work with terrorists.

The Obama campaign is ridiculous.

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
by Naomi Wolf
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...24/usa.comment

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system*
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

*In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. This surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.




“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." -Barack Obama


Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi
https://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-c...ian-stasi.html

British Kids Encouraged To Become "Climate Cops"
Full page adverts in weekend newspapers ask kids to rat on their friends and family in order to prevent "climate crimes"
https://infowars.net/articles/july20...limatecops.htm

[Zeno Swijtink]

Despite choosing a rascist church to raise his daughters in for 20 years, and despite all the ridiculous, "sounds-good-from-here" idealistic blah-blah that has nothing to do with reality, and despite the fact that the man has no experience whatsoever which would qualify him as a viable candidate for President of the United State - despite all this and more, the fact that HE'S BLACK is the only reason stooges and fools are going to vote for Barrack HUSSEIN OBAMA. What a mockery the Enemy is making out of Americans right now, that he would even prop up a man with the words HUSSEIN and OBAMA in his name. Ultimately, I seriously doubt this idiot will win the election, although McCain isn't a viable alternative. But I suspect when the real America turns out at the polls, Hussein Obama will be making the traditional concession speech, accusing America of being racist.

America feels so bad about how black slaves were treated that they would even consider a man who is so unqualified speaks volumes about how far guilt goes, even when it's more than 7 generations removed.

The man's black. Yay. Try putting up a black man that is qualified to lead our country, not one who has ties and plans to work with terrorists.

The Obama campaign is ridiculous.

Thanks Don Cobb, for a good summary of right-wing talk radio! - Zeno, from sunny Marsillargues, Langedoc, Fr, sampling foie gras and other local sins.

[Lenny]

Despite choosing a rascist church to raise his daughters in for 20 years, and despite all the ridiculous, "sounds-good-from-here" idealistic blah-blah that has nothing to do with reality, and despite the fact that the man has no experience whatsoever which would qualify him as a viable candidate for President of the United State - despite all this and more, the fact that HE'S BLACK is the only reason stooges and fools are going to vote for Barrack HUSSEIN OBAMA.

I don't agree that his church was racist, as in the sense I think you mean "hate whitey exclusively", or even "hate whitey". I know the media spun that preacher's stuff about hundred times an hour for weeks, and it did sound horrible, but on the whole, they did talk about race, unlike most places now, and while some race stuff is terrible, it wasn't the kind of "racism" we often think of when we hear that 1970's knee-jerk "racism" terminology. You are right in that most folks around here have never even "met" a black man and are voting out of "white guilt", and that is a wrong that can't be righted alone.
As for having no experience.....that's tough....I would like to think "Anyperson" could do that job, not simply one whose been in Washington for a thousand years. Yes, those with experience in dealing in and with power offer more, but that is a two edged sword.

What a mockery the Enemy is making out of Americans right now, that he would even prop up a man with the words HUSSEIN and OBAMA in his name. Ultimately, I seriously doubt this idiot will win the election, although McCain isn't a viable alternative. But I suspect when the real America turns out at the polls, Hussein Obama will be making the traditional concession speech, accusing America of being racist. America feels so bad about how black slaves were treated that they would even consider a man who is so unqualified speaks volumes about how far guilt goes, even when it's more than 7 generations removed. The man's black. Yay. Try putting up a black man that is qualified to lead our country, not one who has ties and plans to work with terrorists. The Obama campaign is ridiculous.

Again, we disagree: the Obama campaign, both he and his supporters, are dead serious, and I think he will be the next POTUS. But then it is hard for me to tell as I live here surrounded by folks that emanate thoughts and attitudes that he will win. Hard for me to know what America thinks.
That guilt has leaped over about five of those seven generations, so voting in this district is for Obama. I have to wonder about all those Prius', BMWs, Mercedes and other fancy cars sporting Obama stickers, don't they know his economic plans are to tax the snot out of those very same folks? He WILL tax the rich heavily, and that definition will begin with folks making over $40K per year. But then we don't put our hope in princes of the earth. But I also think our country is strong enough to survive this as well.