In Support of Hillary

[Icssoma]

I have stayed out of the bernie/ hillary frey.
I figured i wouldn't influence any one here.
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I think bernie is a great senator from Vermont.
He has never laid out any plan how to pay for his "wish list".
except for 2 chickens in every pot, every offer has been "thrown out there". No credible plans to fund his extensive, unrealistic wish list, & several things on the list that i think represent wasted money. our congress, and previous ones have not addressed infrastructure, traditionally a bipartisan issue. Our country's crumbling bridges, water pipes/systems, reservoirs, & more are putting millions of people at risk.

"Single payer health care" would be great. Hillary 1st looked at a kaiser model before she introduced the health care act to congress. she did not have enough support for a similar hmo model.
Then she lost or was unable to garner demos who thought health care for all too radical/expensive/liability for their district & ideologues (bernie) who only wanted single payer. (somehow 17 years later, "the affordable care act was good enough for bernie to vote for").
If hillary's health care plan would have gone further, i believe, we would be in a significantly better place with health care now. (glad that the affordable care act passed, now it needs major "tweaking": affordable/competitive drugs, eliminating the barriers to dividing mental health & physical health as separate issues, looking at cooperatives, etc).
glad we have something in place that we can amend.
as always, much work to be done.

the amazing Cory Booker, brilliant & progressive, has been an strong clinton supporter & respectful of mr. sanders as well. better piece on npr, but can't find it. (https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cory...200850452.html)

feel better for outting myself as a hillary supporter in a bernie town.

helps to have people i admire on the same team.

[Donna LaGraffe]

His plan to pay for his "wish list" is on his website: https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

...I think bernie is a great senator from Vermont.
He has never laid out any plan how to pay for his "wish list".
except for 2 chickens in every pot, every offer has been "thrown out there". No credible plans to fund his extensive, unrealistic wish list, ...

[mrcharming]

His plan to pay for his "wish list" is on his website: https://berniesanders.com/issues/how...his-proposals/

While I would agree that Sanders' plan on how he is going to pay for his proposals are a bit vague, believe he is a man of integrity....NOT that I am a Bernie supporter, but he has is much more to offer than Hillary. She is head deep in all the darkness and corruption of everything that is wrong with this country. I wish you and others would do your research and find out who this woman really is and her shady past and present..Please do the research!!! I am certainly NOT a Trump supporter, but if I had to choose between Clinton or Trump, I'll take my chances with Trump. BTW, here's an article about the "political game" I read just a few minutes ago:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...from-betrayal/

[Glia]

Reich: Why the Critics of Bernienomics Are Wrong

https://robertreich.org/post/140353623180
Portside Date: March 4, 2016
Author: Robert Reich
Date of Source: Wednesday, March 2, 2016
Robert Reich blog
Not day goes by, it seems, without the mainstream media bashing Bernie Sanders’s economic plan – quoting certain economists as saying his numbers don’t add up. (The New York Times did it again just yesterday.) They’re wrong. You need to know the truth, and spread it.

1. “Well, do the numbers add up?”
Yes, if you assume a 3.8 percent rate of unemployment and a 5.3 percent rate of growth.

2. “But aren’t these assumptions unrealistic?”
They’re not out of the range of what’s possible. After all, we achieved close to 3.8 percent unemployment in the late 1990s, and we had a rate of 5.3 percent growth in the early 1980s.

3. “What is it about Bernie’s economic plan that will generate this kind of economic performance?”
His proposal for a single-payer healthcare system.

4. “But yesterday’s New York Times reported that two of your colleagues at Berkeley found an error in the calculations underlying these estimates. They claim Professor Gerald Friedman mistakenly assumes that a one-time boost in growth will continue onward. They say he confuses levels of output with rates of change.”
My esteemed colleagues see only a temporary effect from moving to a single-payer plan. But that view isn’t shared by economists who find that a major policy change like this can permanently improve economic performance. After all, World War II got America out of the Great Depression – permanently.

5. “So you think Bernie’s plan will generate a permanent improvement in the nation’s economic performance?”
Yes. Given that healthcare expenditures constitute almost 18 percent of the U.S. economy – and that ours is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, based on private for-profit insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies that spend fortunes on advertising, marketing, administrative costs, high executive salaries, and payouts to shareholders – it’s not far-fetched to assume that adoption of a single-payer plan will permanently improve U.S. economic performance.

ROBERT B. REICH is Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley and Senior Fellow at the Blum Center for Developing Economies. He served as Secretary of Labor in the Clinton administration, for which Time Magazine named him one of the ten most effective cabinet secretaries of the twentieth century. He has written fourteen books, including the best sellers “Aftershock, “The Work of Nations," and"Beyond Outrage," and, his most recent, "Saving Capitalism." He is also a founding editor of the American Prospect magazine, chairman of Common Cause, a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and co-creator of the award-winning documentary, INEQUALITY FOR ALL.
- See more at: https://portside.org/print/node/1101....qpcMniLx.dpuf

While I would agree that Sanders' plan on how he is going to pay for his proposals are a bit vague, believe he is a man of integrity....NOT that I am a Bernie supporter, but he has is much more to offer than Hillary. ...

[rekarp]

Wow. Have you been watching Trump at the debates and at his rallies? And you would still vote for him over Hillary? Unbelievable.

... I am certainly NOT a Trump supporter, but if I had to choose between Clinton or Trump, I'll take my chances with Trump. BTW, here's an article about the "political game" I read just a few minutes ago:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...from-betrayal/

[mrcharming]

Wow. Have you been watching Trump at the debates and at his rallies? And you would still vote for him over Hillary? Unbelievable.

I said that to emphasize my disgust with Hillary Clinton. I am equally disgusted and applauded by Trump. I would never vote for either of them. However, if someone held a gun to my head and said I had to make a choice, I think I might choose Trump. While I certain do not like, or agree with a thing he’s been saying, at least he’s honest about what he thinks. I believe Hillary is a pathological liar. Moreover, believe the Clintons are criminals. I don't think Hillary cares for anyone other than herself and her criminal cohorts in government and big business; she is a power monger and will only serves the power elite. Maybe, if Trump gets elected (God forbid!), he will do the same. But like I said, I think I'd rather take my chances with him rather than voting for someone who I know is thoroughly corrupt. That said, if Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination (another God forbid!), I would vote for a third party candidate. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

[Icssoma]

i am deeply disappointed by the ugly rhetoric.

someone just posted these two articles to address your thoughts:
https://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fa...ponents/24196/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-...b_9553190.html

[geomancer]

Well now, I think you've been unconsciously breathing too much of the toxic right-wing slander fumes that have been polluting the body politic since 1992. It's not just about Hillary, it's the whole shebang - especially the Supreme Court.

Here is an article from the Guardian by Jill Abramson, a long time Hillary watcher (who used to work at the Wall Street Journal of all places).

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-jill-abramson

This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest

Jill Abramson

I said that to emphasize my disgust with Hillary Clinton. I am equally disgusted and applauded by Trump. I would never vote for either of them. However, if someone held a gun to my head and said I had to make a choice, I think I might choose Trump. While I certain do not like, or agree with a thing he’s been saying, at least he’s honest about what he thinks. I believe Hillary is a pathological liar. Moreover, believe the Clintons are criminals. I don't think Hillary cares for anyone other than herself and her criminal cohorts in government and big business; she is a power monger and will only serves the power elite. Maybe, if Trump gets elected (God forbid!), he will do the same. But like I said, I think I'd rather take my chances with him rather than voting for someone who I know is thoroughly corrupt. That said, if Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination (another God forbid!), I would vote for a third party candidate. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

[Scott McKeown]

Wow. Have you been watching Trump at the debates and at his rallies? And you would still vote for him over Hillary? Unbelievable.

I'm a Bernie supporter, but it's astounding to me how so many other Bernie supporters have vowed to either vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee or just not vote for Hillary, which is sort of a 1/2 vote for Trump. (A vote for Hillary in the general election, should it come to that, would cancel out a vote for Trump.) The two issues of Supreme Court Justice appointments and climate change policy alone (let alone others) have me feeling it's critical to have a Democratic President rather than a Republican President at this time. But it's surprising and, quite frankly, rather shocking to me how many people who I'm normally aligned with think differently about this.

[Glia]

The down-ballot votes for US Senators, House of Representatives, and state governors are as important as the Presidential race. If Bernie is elected POTUS but Congress continues to be sandbagged by the obstructionist Republicans, he is not going to be able to get much done.

I'm a Bernie supporter, but ...

[Ronio]

i am deeply disappointed by the ugly rhetoric.

someone just posted these two articles to address your thoughts:
https://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fa...ponents/24196/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-...b_9553190.html

I deeply agree, and sad to say it is evidence of the insidious sexism (misogyny) still rampant in this somewhat sovereign state. Why are women judged and held to higher standards? I see nothing wrong with her and she would be an excellent executive. More than I can say for Sanders even though I agree with most of what he is bringing.

[Joseph]

When all you have done your whole career is legislate, the focus is not on much of anything you have done. The pass that Bernie is getting on being some pure entity and hatred directed at Hillary is simply the expression of the sadness dwelling within the zealotry of Bernie's followers.
He has done enough that in a general elections will not seem so pure. Some gets pointed out but zealots never listen, they just have the retort or the quote from someone who agrees with them, kind like Jehova's witnesses.
Trump is not going to be the Repunlican nominee and the assumption that the polling of Bernie vs Trump, in no way conclude Bernie being muddied or Bernie vs any of the other likeliest....
No one needs to trash Hillary to support Bernie. If you really believe he will change the world, go with that but if you need to dump on those who do not see a saint when they look or listen to Bernie, ask why others must be wrong for not sharing your belief.
Also, ask yourself why so many people of color do not warm up to Bernie ? Is he a bad guy ? Is he selling sunshine, yes. People who have had numbers of well intention-ed salesmen offer a free ride, no longer look for an ultimate solution, just some serious and practical effort to make incremental improvements.
Single payer health care can only remove about 15% of the health care expenditures from basic services, the rising costs have more to do with advances and expended modes of diagnostics and treatment. This is the case everywhere.
The OCA built into itself methods of changing the system from care towards prevention, this is the more radical shift than who pay the bills or who makes 18-20% profit.
Vote Bernie with your eyes open. If you are angry now, just wait until you might get your wish and watch and listen to Bernie's words of praise for Hugo Chavez and Fidel being played hour after hour while he is called a communist and his poll numbers fade. You can only be a saint when nobody cares to attack you. Trust me, he doesn't always tell the truth, after all, he is a 30yr politician.