Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles

[Valley Oak]

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The New York Times, 1.30.2015

Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles

Dr. Eric Ball of Orange County, Calif., says he tries to persuade parents to vaccinate their children.

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.

Dr. Charles Goodman gave 1-year-old Cameron Fierro the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine at his practice in Northridge, Calif., on Thursday.

In recent days, new measles cases popped up in Nebraska and Minnesota, New York and Marin County in California. Officials around the country reported rising numbers of patients who were seeking shots, as well as some pediatricians who were accepting nonvaccinated families but were debating changing their policies. The White House urged parents to listen to the science that supports inoculations.

Kelly McMenimen of Marin County, Calif., said she decided not to vaccinate her son Tobias, saying she did not want “so many toxins” entering his body.

In Arizona, health officials warned that 1,000 people could have been exposed to measles and urged anyone displaying symptoms to avoid this weekend’s Super Bowl events in the Phoenix area. In a small planned community where one family became ill after visiting Disneyland, store windows were lined with measles alerts, and a sign on the Pinal County office building warned: “Stop! Measles is in our county!” and asked people with symptoms to wear masks before entering.

But here in California, anti-vaccine parents whose children have endured bouts of whooping cough and chickenpox largely defended their choice to raise their children on natural foods, essential oils and no vaccinations.

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[sharingwisdom]

This is a bit long if you chose to read the links, but I've attempted to back my information. Though this article thinks it shows both sides of the vaccine, or misled (I mean measles) situation, its reporting is what is expected from censored media….mostly distorted. Instead of calling those who don't wish to follow the corporate-takeover propaganda as anti-vax or vaccine critics, why not concerned and discerning consumers, citizens or parents?
https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011...manufacturers/

Don't many of us read labels on foods and attempt to eat healthy? Aren't many of us interested in not eating additives like MSG and it’s other neurotoxin byproducts and GMO’s, but then don’t think about the same corporations using this in their corporate vaccines? Everyone is so upset about Monsanto and Bayer, but not connecting the dots that they are involved putting GMO's and toxic chemicals in them.
https://www.realfarmacy.com/vaccines...ies-worldwide/

And the toxic chemical from Roundup, glyphosate, is in vaccines.
https://www.organicconsumers.org/art...icle_30153.cfm

Do you know what other ingredients are in vaccines? If I injected these into my child, I'd be charged with some hefty crime.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
https://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Why the toxic soup? https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011...manufacturers/

Did you know that in July ‘12, GlaxoSmithKline was found guilty of the largest health fraud in US history, and was fined $3 billion after pleading guilty to three counts of criminal misdemeanor and other civil liabilities relating to a number of different drugs, including Paxil and Wellbutrin and downplaying safety risks of Avandia. In 2009, Eli Lilly was fined $1.4 billion for the illegal marketing of its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa for off-label uses, often to children and the elderly. In 2012, Abbott Laboratories settles for $1.6 billion for aggressively promoting their seizure drug Depakote for off-label use in elderly dementia patients, despite lacking evidence of safety or effectiveness. Hmmm…so what corporations make vaccines too?
https://tv.greenmedinfo.com/vaccines-cause-autism/

And the gov’t and world agencies…people think they are here to protect us?
https://vactruth.com/2012/09/18/fda-...e-autism-sids/
https://sanevax.org/feds-to-test-ant...s-on-children/
https://www.examiner.com/article/wor....WXd8O43w.gbpl

Yes, the police state is knocking at people’s doors and taking kids away from their families and getting kick backs.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/he...calkidnap-com/

And I could say plenty on the part of the article where it was inferred about Dr. Wakefield and the journalist Brian Deer who really went after him, “The anti-vaccine movement can largely be traced to a 1998 report in a medical journal that suggested a link between vaccines and autism but was later proved fraudulent and retracted.” The statement is False, Totally False. https://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/

Deer worked for vaccine groups in the UK and US. Wakefield wasn't even against vaccines but was seeing a correlation, and he got too close to the corporate interests. Isn't that what happens to others who attempt to report...they go after them to discredit them? There are so many whistleblowers from the corporations themselves who have come forward. Snowden has his stories and they have theirs. https://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/918...ded-and-outed/

[podfish]

https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011...manufacturers/
https://www.realfarmacy.com/vaccines...ies-worldwide/
https://www.organicconsumers.org/art...icle_30153.cfm
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
https://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/
Why the toxic soup? https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011...manufacturers/
https://vactruth.com/2012/09/18/fda-...e-autism-sids/
https://sanevax.org/feds-to-test-ant...s-on-children/
https://www.examiner.com/article/wor....WXd8O43w.gbpl
https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/he...calkidnap-com/ https://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/ https://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/918...ded-and-outed/

funnily enough, my browser blossoms with red dots at these links. I use a plugin called "WOT" that crowdsources web rankings. You can also check to see comments about where the ratings come from. So it may well be at least as reliable as Yelp. So use it for amusement purposes only. However, on the few sites on this link that I checked, I gotta say I'm on the side of the yelpers.

[Valley Oak]

Advocating an anti-vaccine approach is sheer lunacy. And the consequences are our children, who are attacked by measles and spend the rest of their lives with permanent nerve damage (see the post in WaccoReader regarding Roald Dahl's daughter who died in 1962 from measles). This is a horrible cost to society and just like the Climate Change denialists and the pro-gun crazies, the religious/creationist fanatics, there is absolutely NO evidence to support it!

What will those imbecile parents tell their children when they are grown up and screwed up for life and they are asked, "Why"? "Well, son/daughter, we did it for your own good"??? Or, "We thought we were doing the right thing because of those totally bogus "reports" that associated vaccines with autism and we were moronic enough to believe"?

Answer that. And please answer it now, not 20 years from now when it's too late. Too late, that is, for the victims of conspiracy theorists who also happen to be the stupid parents who chose to victimize their own children for life.

This is a bit long if you chose to read the links, but I've attempted to back my information. Though this article thinks it shows both sides of the vaccine, or misled (I mean measles) situation, its reporting is what is expected from censored media….mostly distorted. Instead of calling those who don't wish to follow the corporate-takeover propaganda as anti-vax or vaccine critics, why not concerned and discerning consumers, citizens or parents?
https://vactruth.com/2012/11/30/2011-billions-vaccine-manufacturers

[podfish]

This is a horrible cost to society and just like the Climate Change denialists and the pro-gun crazies, the religious/creationist fanatics, there is absolutely NO evidence to support it!

like my reply to your other post - same observation. The idea that there's no evidence won't be accepted by the true believers. They don't understand or accept scientific principles. They cherry-pick some of the data that arises from scientific activity, but aren't willing to let the cumulative evidence lead to conclusions. They mistake pre-existing bias from pre-existing expectations. They seize on evidence that supports their views as if its existence makes their conclusions as reasonable as alternatives. They don't accept that evidence that challenges accepted theories or principles requires extensive support before it should be accepted itself. They see institutional inertia as conspiracy and unwillingness to respond to anything outside an imagined orthodoxy.

Everyone thinks more with their bodies than with their mind. Not everyone is willing to go against their intuitive evaluations because of a rational process; and they often insist on not only irrefutable but absolutely unchallengeable logically supported conclusions before they will change. Any counter-claim with even the mildest credibility is enough to make them revert to what they feel is true. The existence of others who are as easily persuaded by weak evidence strengthens that evidence, and it's seen as equivalent to having 'experts' and 'academics' lining up behind conventional 'wisdom'. Better, since they somehow aren't tainted by economic conflicts of interest.

Usually this doesn't matter, but lots of times it does. Vaccination is one where it does. I wish we could dispense them via chemtrails...

[sharingwisdom]

I give clear connections, and you throw anything to divert the issue connecting it with other topics that we are not discussing...at least I'm not....and then you call people who disagree with you, names (imbeciles etc etc)...just the expected level of conversation that has happened on this board over and over. It's old game. It's not mature disagreement discussions.

I'm sad when any child dies but to say that vaccines would have prevented this child's death isn't true. And I have the statistics and how Big Pharma and corporations have distorted it, but I'm not posting that for you because you're not open to reading them anyways as is obvious in what I've already posted.

How many children have died from vaccine injuries or who have permanent injuries? Thousands and thousands and thousands! In my 40 years of research I have plenty of graphs and info.

I have friends who are vaccine injured. And many I don't know as I read daily on my FB groups.

Why are vaccine companies not allowed to be sued? You obviously don't want to know.

Guess who pays in vaccine court? Not the vaccine companies.

And as far as the other person with his WOT add-on attempting to read the links but couldn't, seems other readers on this site got through to read the links. WOT has many people from Big Pharma involved with rating sites they don't like, so that you can't get through. This happened to me on FB in fact...WOT wouldn't let me get to certain groups because it got low ratings from spammers and shills. It's constant. https://vactruth.com/2013/03/29/facebook-wot-censored/
https://mywotlies.wordpress.com/

Your questions are now answered!

Advocating an anti-vaccine approach is sheer lunacy. ...

[Alex]

Advocating an anti-vaccine approach is sheer lunacy...... This is a horrible cost to society... there is absolutely NO evidence to support it! ......imbecile parents..... bogus "reports" that associated vaccines with autism...... moronic enough to believe"?.......stupid parents who chose to victimize their own children for life.

So Edward, is your justification for so righteously condemning those who feel they have made an intelligent choice to refuse vaccines the fact that you can ALSO knowledgeably discuss in DEPTH the full spectrum of issues, data and sources convincing to both sides of the vaccine arguments.... including the full toxic content and efficacy of vaccines and their uncontested peer review findings, past honesty of purveyors reports, real effectiveness and damage history of vaccines, level of testing before public release, who benefits the most financially and why it's OK that the government granted all vaccine producers complete immunity from liability for vaccine safety?

OR... does it feel good to stand for something that sounds so righteous and logical and there's no reason to look beneath the surface at all the evidence for misleading propagandist, blind-eye reporting being shoved in front of lazy people to scare them into self-destructive compliance?

If not, it's good to know you can cite iron-clad excuses why there's no reason to be mortified about the risks of injecting the following ingredients over and over directly into the bloodstream (completely different from average exposure) of a healthy immune system, especially a newborn baby/child:

Aborted Baby Fetus Tissue and Human Albumin - speaks for itself
Formaldehyde - the corrosive main ingredient of bee and ant venom
Mercury - the 2nd most poisonous element known to mankind next to Uranium.
Antifreeze - toxic enough that 1TB would kill a 20 lb. dog.
Aluminum - a carcinogen and accumulative toxic heavy metal.
2-Phenoxyethanol - a carcinogen and metabolic poison.
Phenol - Also known as carbolic acid, a carcinogen on 8+ federal regulatory watch lists.
Methanol - a poisonous liquid alcohol metabolized into formaldehyde in the body.
Sodium tetraborate decahydrate - a pesticide and blood, endocrine, liver, and neurological toxicant.
Glutaraldehyde - a cause of birth defects and poisonous toxin mirroring nerve gas effects.
Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) - special class of chemical called excitotoxin that attacks brain cells.
Sulfate and Phosphate Compounds - severe allergy trigger in children that can impair immunity a lifetime.
Ammonium Sulfate - a chemical fertilizer carcinogen.
Neomycin Sulfate - interferes with B-6 absorption, a cause of epilepsy and retardation.
Tri(n)butylphosphate - a kidney and neurotoxicant carcinogen.
Polysorbate 20 / 80 Emulsifier - verified cancer agent, known skin and sense organ toxin.
Sorbitol (Sweetener) - liver toxicant carcinogen, also diabetic retinopathy/neuropathy causing blindness
Polyribosylribitol - experimental artificial sweetener.
Beta-Propiolactone - carcinogen/toxicant, liver toxicant, one of the most hazardous compounds to humans.
Amphotericin B - can cause irreversible kidney damage and severe histamine (allergic) reactions.
Animal Organ Tissue and Animal Blood - culture toxic to body when no digestion is possible like injecting.
Large Foreign Proteins - toxic when injected to trigger the immune response, cause of lactose intolerance.
Latex - produces a panicked immune response and possible lifelong or life threatening allergic reaction.
Animal Viruses - particularly alien to humans like SV40 can stimulate rare brain cancers, myloma, mesothelioma and lymphoma. Manufacturers were forced to remove from the polio vaccine, but are including again.
Human Viruses -It is a myth that the injected live viruses are killed. The main method used is the formaldehyde with limited and temporary effectiveness. After the formaldehyde breaks down the 'crippled' virus can revert to their former virulence. Most of the diseases that people are vaccinated against no longer occur in the Western world, and only ever result from the vaccines. When they do occur, the vaccine-induced cases are always more severe than normal infections of the same pathogens, and these cases are sometimes fatal. Most disease symptoms are the visible signs of a body's attempts to defend itself against the infection. With disease injections, many important defenses in the digestion path and mucous membranes are bypassed.
Mycoplasma - the smallest free-moving organisms. Pathogenic adjuvant added to increase allergic response.
Foreign DNA - from animals, viruses, fungi, and bacteria. Injecting foreign DNA is incorporated into the recipient's DNA with horrendous long-term multi-generational implications that defy the imagination.

Human blood is supposed to be, and traditionally was, remarkably sterile. With vaccines now being so prevalent, this is no longer the case. Contrary to what we have been told, they weaken the immune system dramatically instead of strengthening it. Hepatitis B vaccine is given to a child on the day of his birth, often weakening his immune system for his lifetime. His small body is just becoming accustomed to the germs around him for the first time, and he needs the strong immune system that he was given to remain intact. This is only the surface of undisclosed data, perils and agendas.

Signed, a very actively researching, open minded, discerning and healthy individual and parent basing crucial life decisions on the aggregation of facts... FAR from an unfoundedly non-compliant idiot endangering society.
Alex

[podfish]

(snipped.. list of nasty or disgusting-sounding substances)

just because something is harmful in a large enough quantity doesn't mean anything more than "don't use large quantities". Those lists are a perfect example of a hunt for evidence that supports a specific conclusion.

If those substances were removed, would any anti-vaxxer suddenly be accepting of vaccines? I unscientifically assert no, they wouldn't.

[sharingwisdom]

Mercury isn't safe in any quantity as it is accumulated in the body tissue and fat. It's in the fish, particularly tuna, dental amalgams which leak, environmental pesticides and vaccines. https://americannutritionassociation...rcury-toxicity

And who sets the standards anyways of what is harmful to the human body??? EPA, ADA, FDA etc...supported by Corporate industry crooks. Look how they raised the radiation standards after Fukishama. Any person who is able to do independent research can figure it out.
https://www.salem-news.com/articles/...minated-se.php

Since the whole pseudo-science of corporate vaccine history and 'studies' is being exposed, along with their corporate interests, it's very interesting that many who rally with Amy Goodman's corporation exposures, are unable to connect the same corporations with the vaccines...even when it's shown right on this forum. What do you think...that the corporations are going to be interested in human health and welfare because they call their product 'vaccine'? They call the product, GMO, and the community is out their protesting...but that's put in vaccines.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cdcs-...115600020.html

And it's just been announced that Dr. William Thompson (senior scientist at The CDC) has been granted Official Whistleblower Status and immunity. This paves the way for Dr. William Thompson to go before the United States Congress and testify about the CDC FRAUD regarding vaccine safety and to explain the thousands of documents that have been turned over to congressional representatives. Get ready for Vaccinegate.
https://vaxtruth.org/2014/08/how-man...-by-cdc-fraud/


And those who actually research the history of vaccines back to Jenner will find some interesting facts the texts leave out.
Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History (Dr. Suzanne Humphries) https://vactruth.com/2013/08/02/dissolving-illusions

just because something is harmful in a large enough quantity doesn't mean anything more than "don't use large quantities". Those lists are a perfect example of a hunt for evidence that supports a specific conclusion.

If those substances were removed, would any anti-vaxxer suddenly be accepting of vaccines? I unscientifically assert no, they wouldn't.

[AllorrahBe]

DANG!!
I sure hope you are correct in all you say here, because I just could not "get" what Edward posted. And a previous post sounded totally confused to me; time to discontinue this subject (for a while, anyway!)
Rev. BE

So Edward, is your justification for so righteously condemning those who feel .......