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    Driving Under the Influence, of Marijuana



    [the article says that driving stoned may double your chances of an accident, but that driving with a blood alcohol content of 0.08% will increase the chances of a fatal accident almost 20 times for a young driver, less if you are older]

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health/driving-under-the-influence-of-marijuana.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20140218&pagewanted=all


    Driving Under the Influence, of Marijuana



    If you are pulled over on suspicion of drunken driving, the police officer is likely to ask you to complete three tasks: Follow a pen with your eyes while the officer moves it back and forth; get out of the car and walk nine steps, heel to toe, turn on one foot and go back; and stand on one leg for 30 seconds.

    Score well on all three of these Olympic events, and there’s a very good chance that you are not drunk. This so-called standard field sobriety test has been shown to catch 88 percent of drivers under the influence of alcohol.

    But it is nowhere near as good at spotting a stoned driver.

    In a 2012 study published in the journal Psychopharmacology, only 30 percent of people under the influence of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, failed the field test. And its ability to identify a stoned driver seems to depend heavily on whether the driver is accustomed to being stoned.

    A 21-year-old on his first bender and a hardened alcoholic will both wobble on one foot. But the same is not necessarily true of a driver who just smoked his first joint and the stoner who is high five days a week. In another study, 50 percent of the less frequent smokers failed the field test.

    As more states legalize medical and recreational marijuana, distinctions like these will grow more and more important. But science’s answers to crucial questions about driving while stoned — how dangerous it is, how to test for impairment, and how the risks compare to driving drunk — have been slow to reach the general public.

    “Our goal is to put out the science and have it used for evidence-based drug policy,” said Marilyn A. Huestis, a senior investigator at the National Institute on Drug Abuse. “But I think it’s a mishmash.”

    A 2007 study found that 12 percent of the drivers randomly stopped on American highways on Friday and Saturday nights had been drinking. (In return for taking part in the study, intoxicated drivers were told they would not be arrested, just taken home.)

    Six percent of the drivers tested positive for marijuana — a number that is likely to go up with increased availability. Some experts and officials are concerned that the campaign against drunken driving has not gotten through to marijuana smokers.

    “We’ve done phone surveys, and we’re hearing that a lot of people think D.U.I. laws don’t apply to marijuana,” said Glenn Davis, highway safety manager at the Department of Transportation in Colorado, where recreational marijuana use became legal on Jan. 1. “And there’s always somebody who says, ‘I drive better while high.’ ”

    Evidence suggests that is not the case. But it also suggests that we may not have as much to fear from stoned driving as from drunken driving. Some researchers say that limited resources are better applied to continuing to reduce drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is simply less dangerous.

    Still, it is clear that marijuana use causes deficits that affect driving ability, Dr. Huestis said. She noted that several researchers, working independently of one another, have come up with the same estimate: a twofold increase in the risk of an accident if there is any measurable amount of THC in the bloodstream.

    The estimate is based on review papers that considered the results of many individual studies. The results were often contradictory — some of the papers showed no increase in risk, or even a decrease — but the twofold estimate is widely accepted.

    The estimate is low, however, compared with the dangers of drunken driving. A recent study of federal crash data found that 20-year-old drivers with a blood-alcohol content of 0.08 percent — the legal limit for driving — had an almost 20-fold increase in the risk of a fatal accident compared with sober drivers. For older adults, up to age 34, the increase was ninefold.

    The study’s lead author, Eduardo Romano, a senior research scientist at the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, said that once he adjusted for demographics and the presence of alcohol, marijuana did not statistically increase the risk of a crash.

    “Despite our results, I still think that marijuana contributes to crash risk,” he said, “only that its contribution is not as important as it was expected.”

    The difference in risk between marijuana and alcohol can probably be explained by two things, Dr. Huestis and Dr. Romano both say. First, stoned drivers drive differently from drunken ones, and they have different deficits. Drunken drivers tend to drive faster than normal and to overestimate their skills, studies have shown; the opposite is true for stoned drivers.

    “The joke with that is Cheech and Chong being arrested for doing 20 on the freeway,” said Mark A. R. Kleiman, a professor of public policy at the U.C.L.A. School of Public Affairs.

    Dr. Huestis also found that in laboratory studies, most people who were high could pass simple tests of memory, addition and subtraction, though they had to use more brainpower than sober people who passed the same tests. People who were drunk were much more likely to fail.

    The deficits of being stoned really began to show up, she said, when people had to handle multiple tasks at once and were confronted with something unexpected.

    “It’s typical to see a young adolescent with three or four other kids in the car,” she said of stoned driving. “He’s aware he might be impaired, so he’s driving carefully.

    “But then he sees an old man in the middle of the street. All his senses say, ‘This guy is there but will be out of way by the time I get there.’ But then the old man drops his keys and he’s slower than the kid expected. By the time it takes to process a change in the situation, there’s an accident.”

    Another factor is location. A lot of drinking is done in bars and clubs, away from home, with patrons driving to get there and then leaving by car. By contrast, marijuana smokers tend to get high at home.

    There is a lot of debate about how best to prove that drivers under the influence of THC are too intoxicated to drive. Blood-alcohol content can be reliably tested on the side of the road with a Breathalyzer, and ample data link rising levels of blood alcohol to decreases in driving skills. The same is not true for marijuana.

    THC levels must be measured from blood or urine samples, which are typically taken hours after an arrest. Urine tests, which look for a metabolite of THC rather than the drug itself, return a positive result days or weeks after someone has actually smoked. Yet most states have laws that equate any detectable level of THC metabolite in urine with detectable levels of actual THC in blood, and criminalize both. Only six states have set legal limits for THC concentration in the blood. In Colorado and Washington, where recreational use has been legalized, that limit is five nanograms per milliliter of blood, or five parts per billion.

    The problem, Dr. Huestis said, was that studies from Europe suggested that this limit was far too high. Ninety percent of impaired-driving cases in Sweden would be missed at that level, she said.

    The studies indicated that a better limit would be just one nanogram per milliliter, she said. But because THC builds up in fatty tissue and is released slowly over time, such a limit would ensnare frequent users who may not actually be high. Indeed, if you smoke often enough, your blood-THC content might still be five nanograms per milliliter a day after you last lit up.

    All of these facts lead experts like Dr. Romano and Dr. Kleiman to believe that public resources are better spent combating drunken driving. Stoned driving, they say, is best dealt with by discouraging people from mixing marijuana and alcohol — a combination that is even riskier than alcohol alone — and by policies that minimize marijuana’s risk on the road.

    For instance, states that legalize recreational marijuana, Dr. Kleiman said, should ban establishments like pot bars that encourage people to smoke away from home. And Dr. Romano said that lowering the legal blood-alcohol concentration, or B.A.C., to 0.05 or even 0.02 percent would reduce risk far more effectively than any effort to curb stoned driving.

    “I’m not saying marijuana is safe,” he said. “But to me it’s clear that lowering the B.A.C. should be our top priority. That policy would save more lives.”
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    Re: Driving Under the Influence, of Marijuana

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by geomancer: View Post
    “Our goal is to put out the science and have it used for evidence-based drug policy,” said Marilyn A. Huestis, a senior investigator at the National Institute on Drug Abuse. “But I think it’s a mishmash.”
    If a representative of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, an agency with an anti-pot bias (notice that it's called "Institute on Drug Abuse", not "Institute on Drug Use" or "Drug Benefits"), says the research is "a mishmash", that's probably a pretty good indication that the research doesn't show much, if any, negative consensus on the dangers of pot.

    Quote “And there’s always somebody who says, ‘I drive better while high.’ ”
    Evidence suggests that is not the case.
    Some research evidence does actually support the conclusion that some people drive better on pot. The real question is: "What is the consensus of the properly designed research, if any?" That crucial question is not answered anywhere in this fairly crappy article.

    Quote The results were often contradictory — some of the papers showed no increase in risk, or even a decrease — but the twofold estimate is widely accepted.
    Why is it widely accepted in the face of so much contradictory evidence? Is there really a consensus in the research, or is the acceptance of the twofold risk just an indication of bias? The article doesn't give the info we need to assess that.

    Quote The study’s lead author, Eduardo Romano, a senior research scientist at the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, said that once he adjusted for demographics and the presence of alcohol, marijuana did not statistically increase the risk of a crash.
    “Despite our results, I still think that marijuana contributes to crash risk,” he said.
    This is flatly bizarre. What the hell kind of scientist spends big bucks on research, then announces that he doesn't accept his own results? Is he saying his research was improperly conducted, or just parroting the party line, or what?

    Quote For instance, states that legalize recreational marijuana, Dr. Kleiman said, should ban establishments like pot bars that encourage people to smoke away from home.
    Does he also suggest banning alcohol bars for the same reason? If not, why the double standard, especially given that he himself has acknowledged that driving on alcohol is much more dangerous than driving on pot?

    It's disgusting to see science distorted by political forces and the scientists' own biases.
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    Re: Driving Under the Influence, of Marijuana

    nida was founded and is funded by the feds, nih, executive branch. thus they have provided very little real info, mostly drug war propaganda. driving is a drug (ie an externally intoxicating activity), thus certain amounts of different drugs can improve driver safety. it gets so complicated when you consider an individual and what they need to be a better driver!

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by Dixon: View Post
    If a representative of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, an agency with an anti-pot bias (notice that it's called "Institute on Drug Abuse", not "Institute on Drug Use" or "Drug Benefits"), says the research is "a mishmash", that's probably a pretty good indication that the research doesn't show much, if any, negative consensus on the dangers of pot.


    Some research evidence does actually support the conclusion that some people drive better on pot. The real question is: "What is the consensus of the properly designed research, if any?" That crucial question is not answered anywhere in this fairly crappy article.


    Why is it widely accepted in the face of so much contradictory evidence? Is there really a consensus in the research, or is the acceptance of the twofold risk just an indication of bias? The article doesn't give the info we need to assess that.


    This is flatly bizarre. What the hell kind of scientist spends big bucks on research, then announces that he doesn't accept his own results? Is he saying his research was improperly conducted, or just parroting the party line, or what?


    Does he also suggest banning alcohol bars for the same reason? If not, why the double standard, especially given that he himself has acknowledged that driving on alcohol is much more dangerous than driving on pot?

    It's disgusting to see science distorted by political forces and the scientists' own biases.
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