CVS/Chase development proposal

[Barry]

I sent my donation. Thanks Helen, for speaking for most of us!

Helen Shane, Sebastopol's Lorax!

[Barry]

Sebastopol CVS Pharmacy developer back with new design
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120419/ARTICLES/120419444
April 19th, 2012

By BOB NORBERG
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

The developer of the controversial Sebastopol CVS Pharmacy-Chase Bank proposal is back with a third design aimed at quelling critics’ concerns.

The Pellini Chevrolet building on Highway 12 in Sebastopol.
The latest design calls for a brick facade instead of quasi-industrial metal siding, shields parking from the street, has clear glass windows and scales down the buildings, including eliminating a portico.

It is meant to be more pedestrian-friendly, with walkways, a plaza and trees and also address potential traffic issues.

“It sounds like they have very systematically looked at every issue identified by the Design Review Board and council and are attempting to resolve those issues,” said Mayor Guy Wilson.

Armstrong Development of Sacramento is proposing the pharmacy and bank branch at Sebastopol and Petaluma avenues, one of Sebastopol’s busiest and most visible intersections.

The project has been the subject of a dozen long and often-contentious meetings. While the City Council has given the controversial project most of the approvals it needs to go forward, approval from the Design Review Board is required.

The new design will be on the board’s May 16 agenda.

Armstrong is proposing to build a 14,576-square-foot CVS Pharmacy and a 4,327-square-foot Chase Bank branch on 2.4 acres at a cost of $10 million.

CVS and Chase would move to the site from facilities elsewhere in Sebastopol.

A spokesman for Armstrong could not be reached Monday for comment.

A letter to the city, however, stated “the design of the buildings is based on the adjacent Main Street retail area rather than the previously proposed design which attempted to create a bridge between the historically industrial area of Sebastopol to west of the property and the retail Main Street to the east.”

The design for the property — the site of the vacant Pellini Chevrolet dealership — is the second by Sebastopol architect Kevin Kellogg.

Some critics don’t believe CVS Pharmacy or Chase should be at the corner at all. They prefer a development of small shops on a bottom floor with apartments on a second floor.

“This is an issue that has caught the attention of the community, and there is a lot of concern and a lot of support about it, too,” Wilson said. “There is a lot of opposition to the CVS project, and some of the opposition is based just on the look, but there are other aspects as well.”

Design Review Board member Lynn Deedler said the board’s decision will not be based on the purpose of the project, but by how it looks.

“It is about the design and that is all that is only going before the board,” Deedler said. “If they have made something that is appropriate to that location in the community, it will go right through.”

You can reach Staff Writer Bob Norberg at 521-5206 or [email protected].

[dominus]

This issue became about design but, in truth, that was never the real reason why people are opposed to this move. CVS is a big warehouse for cheap products made by large manufacturers from outside our locality. This toxic expansion has altered our earth and the quality of our lives in some very negative ways. The vast majority of these products wind up in our landfills, the making and shipping of them causes pollution. They also are very aggressive about selling over priced medication. Much of this medication does wind up in our drinking water. We're stuck with CVS but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to steam roll over everyone who believes this move is not in our best interests.

I believe it might be worth organizing a national boycott of CVS. Please read my posting below for the reasons.

[Sara S]

Perhaps not for just those reasons, since there are others who do the same; I have personally boycotted them since they first opened because I bought an OTC item rather than drive to Walmart, and it was more than twice the price that Walmart charged. That was enough for me.

The main reason that we should call for a boycott of CVS is that they are trying their damnedest to elbow their way into a site where a whole lot of residents don't want them. Profits over people; they surely have analysts that tell them that they'll make money in such a visible site even though it will cause all the difficulties for us that have already been discussed here.

This issue became about design but, in truth, that was never the real reason why people are opposed to this move. CVS is a big warehouse for cheap products made by large manufacturers from outside our locality. This toxic expansion has altered our earth and the quality of our lives in some very negative ways. The vast majority of these products wind up in our landfills, the making and shipping of them causes pollution. They also are very aggressive about selling over priced medication. Much of this medication does wind up in our drinking water. We're stuck with CVS but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to steam roll over everyone who believes this move is not in our best interests.

Is it worth organizing a national boycott of CVS for these reasons?

[Weiser]

While recognizing the merits of your opposition to the CVS Pharmacy moving onto the Pellinini site I need to point out that the CVS group didn't become a success in their field by making bad business decisions. They wouldn't try to "elbow" their way into a community that you suggest has many people who do not want them if they didn't already know that many more people DO. CVS is clearly putting profits first.

I commend you for doing what I do when I don't care for a business. I simply don't give them my business. Clearly CVS won't stay around if people don't shop there. What I object to is a minority of people using the design review process as a tool to make consumer choices for everyone. It has always seemed to me that opponents of CVS don't trust our community to make the "correct" consumer choices.

How you get from point A to point B is important. There are other means of rejecting a business you don't think would be good for the community, but the design process isn't the proper way to go about it.

BTW. What is to stop a small business person from opening up a pharmacy and then later selling out to CVS. I'm surprised that strategy hasn't been tried.

[dominus]

Shopping at CVS is a personal choice so to suggest that the answer resides in whether or not to patronize them isn't the issue. The largest issue that I believe is of concern is the traffic. The Pellini's site is at the intersection of 2 well trafficked state highways. Any driver who will be traveling on highway 12 heading west that turns left into CVS's perspective Pellini's site will stop all traffic. Period. This will happen. I've seen traffic on a Friday night or during busy commute times back up all the way to Fulton at times. Also, northbound traffic on hwy. 116 will have to slow down at a minimum to allow any drivers turning into the Pellini lot. This will cause traffic to back up considerably, no doubt, beyond the hospital. Additionally, it will be very difficult for any driver on Burnett to cross 3 lanes of traffic so as to head east on highway 12. All of this will also effect CVS shoppers who would be trying their best to accomplish their errands whether they're coming or going. It's important to state that many of CVS's shoppers are elderly who pick up their medications. I shudder to think that this scenario could result in some bad accidents.

Finally, RiteAid will be effected by this change and poses the possibility of a significant downturn in their own business and Redwood S/C will suffer more vacancies than they already have.

NONE of this is good for our community. This is not just business as usual. These are very real issues which will effect virtually everyone who shops downtown. Those who are for this change clearly have their opinions however the issues of traffic and vacancies shouldn't be and, unfortunately, are being glossed over. No amount of "good design" is going to address this.

Obviously these issues are NOT of any concern to CVS, they just want to make more money. They shouldn't be allowed to cause the potential havoc that this perspective move will inevitably result in. CVS or any business shouldn't be allowed to steamroll over others who will have to suffer the consequences irregardless of whether there are members of our community who support this move. CVS's strategy is to "muscle" their way though it to get what they want at the expense of many people. That is not good business. Let's not forget, they are here already. They have a foothold in our community.

I believe a national boycott of CVS would be appropriate. Big business does this all the time and I'm confident with so many people reading about their latest modus operandi on facebook, twitter, etc. etc. This would not be good publicity for CVS and perhaps they would reconsider how they go about accomplishing business.

[eeeeeeow]

Look, the city staff left everyone out to dry when the planning commission denied this in the first place. This has turned into Friends of Pellinis vs. Sebastopol.

There has been an attempt to portray opponents of the CVS move as a "minority". It was just portrayed as such in yesterday press demo letters section.

I've been going to these meeting from the beginning. The first DRB meeting I attended, there was NO one who spoke who backed the project.

Then there was the meeting in November, I think, at the Vets hall where out of about 60 people, maybe 6 spoke in favor of the plan. It wasn't until Kathleen Shafer and Linda Johnson went under the radar to rally the Rotary Clubs that proponents of the CVS project where strongly represented. And then it's 50/50 at the meetings.

A friend of mine was appalled at the prospects of CVS building there. It only took her two days to collect almost 80 signatures to add to a letter she sent to the City Council.

Out of all the people I speak to, I meet, perhaps, 1 or 2 out of 10 who are in favor. Everyone else is quite upset about this.

When you research the affects CVS has on nthe communities they foece theirr way into, you NEVER see anything positive. There is no "shot in the arm" for any location. In fact, it's just the opposite. CVS is a scrupulous company and I can't for the life of me imagine why our short-sighted business "leaders" are pushing so hard to destroy the integrity of Sebastopol.

While recognizing the merits of your opposition to the CVS Pharmacy moving onto the Pellinini site I need to point out that the CVS group didn't become a success in their field by making bad business decisions. They wouldn't try to "elbow" their way into a community that you suggest has many people who do not want them if they didn't already know that many more people DO. CVS is clearly putting profits first.

I commend you for doing what I do when I don't care for a business. I simply don't give them my business. Clearly CVS won't stay around if people don't shop there. What I object to is a minority of people using the design review process as a tool to make consumer choices for everyone. It has always seemed to me that opponents of CVS don't trust our community to make the "correct" consumer choices.

How you get from point A to point B is important. There are other means of rejecting a business you don't think would be good for the community, but the design process isn't the proper way to go about it.

BTW. What is to stop a small business person from opening up a pharmacy and then later selling out to CVS. I'm surprised that strategy hasn't been tried.

[Weiser]

Regarding the portrayl of the anti CVS group as a minority. What I was trying to point out is that this corporation if they really believed that wouldn't be continuing to push this issue. They know the customer base is larger than the opposition or why bother.

Your antedotal (hope I spelled that right) evidence of who has majority status in the debate is just that. If you don't interact with people of different persuasions your numbers can be skewed.

Btw. What is the difference between each side rallying to make their point heard in the public forum? As for the "under the radar" comments its hard for me to believe that with how long this issue has been on the burner that all the members of the city council hadn't already made up their minds.

The effects on Rite Aide are irrelavent. Competition is good in this case. Life isn't static.

[theindependenteye]

I'm sympathetic to most of the arguments against the CVS proposal, though the aesthetic architectural elements need another look as the new plan is presented. But I'm also ambivalent on several elements.

Traffic: Could the concern about traffic impediment caused by cars turning across lanes be addressed by turn restrictions? Is there a significant difference between this plan and the conditions down the road, e.g. Coffee Catz or Benedetti's? Has there been any kind of study regarding the actual vehicular activity expected, in relation to these other businesses? Finally, is it possible to propose any development of this property that wouldn't engender the same arguments about traffic? Seems to me it's not a location where people foot-shopping in the main block of Main St. are going to naturally walk over there to a boutique-style devt. So cars are going to be a factor.

CVS & the bank: If it's felt that those corporations should be excluded from the community, why is there not an immediate movement to picket and boycott them? Is there evidence that they're significantly more evil than their competitors?

Options: A number of proposals for that property have been floated here (community college, arts center, boutiques, etc.). But during the time of the building's vacancy, has any developer come forth with actual plans and potential financing for a different use? Is such a plan likely? I could argue for its viability as a West Coast Puppetry Center, but that's fantasy without mucho millions of bucks and a buncha people busting their ass for five years minimum. I surely don't agree with development-at-all-costs and ask Dow Chemical to come in, or a USAF missile silo (painted green). But how long, o Lord, will that foul eyesore sit there while people daydream with "what-ifs"?

Again, I'm asking these questions in the spirit of devil's-advocate. If the argument against the CVS proposal is really going to be powerful, I think these questions really need to be addressed head-on, not slipped past.

-Conrad

[Califoon]

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/b...-silenced.html

ya get what ya pay for...cheap is not the issue. Can we claim cultural revulsion? I don't think so. We can only spend our money where we choose and everything else will follow.

Perhaps not for just those reasons, since there are others who do the same; I have personally boycotted them since they first opened because I bought an OTC item rather than drive to Walmart, and it was more than twice the price that Walmart charged. That was enough for me.

[Califoon]

is an unscrupulous... occupy the language for god's sake, you're speaking in public.

When you research the affects CVS has on nthe communities they foece theirr way into, you NEVER see anything positive. There is no "shot in the arm" for any location. In fact, it's just the opposite. CVS is a scrupulous company and I can't for the life of me imagine why our short-sighted business "leaders" are pushing so hard to destroy the integrity of Sebastopol.

[1104GT]

A few thoughts:

1. Our City can only regulate types of businesses to the extend allowed by the City's Municipal Code. Going beyond the powers described in the code amounts to tyranny. That said, I agree that the community of consumers may have as much power in this as the City does.


2. I disagree with a previous comment that this isn't about design. To me, it's PURELY about design. Any development downtown has to encourage interaction between the sidewalk and the business, not between a parking lot the the business. Nothing els is acceptable.

3. I also agree with Conrad's comment about no other development being forwarded. We can dream all we want, but we're wasting time if no one can back it up with a plan and financing.

4. While I agree with Conrad's comment about the property being an eyesore, let's face it, the Pellini's have not been the best caretakers of the property ... they haven't painted, updated or maintained the property for decades. The way it looks today is nothing new and in no way motivates me to look favorably on a development proposal that is not appropriately designed for our downtown. New is not necessarily good ... or even better than what we have.

Moving on, the new proposal really isn't new and does not address my main issues. It is still totally rooted in suburban, auto-centric thinking. The interaction between the business and the public is still not on the sidewalk, the building still turns it's back on the most important corner in town and the mid-block driveway still exists. Those are my main problems with the site design and they remain unresolved. Cutesy up the buildings 'till the cows come home, but bad site design is still the deal breaker for me.

Ted

[Barry]

The new plans can be found here.

Here's one set of elevations:

[Weiser]

Gee. I saw the typo, scrupulous vs. unscrupulous. I understood what the poster meant by the rest of their comments. But "Occupy the language?" Puleese!

[Sara S]

I can choose not to patronize the businesses, and I can ignore a whole lot of bad design, but if the traffic at that intersection isn't going to be improved by this proposal......then I'll fight!

A few thoughts:

1. Our City can only regulate types of businesses to the extend allowed by the City's Municipal Code. Going beyond the powers described in the code amounts to tyranny. That said, I agree that the community of consumers may have as much power in this as the City does.


2. I disagree with a previous comment that this isn't about design. To me, it's PURELY about design. Any development downtown has to encourage interaction between the sidewalk and the business, not between a parking lot the the business. Nothing els is acceptable.

3. I also agree with Conrad's comment about no other development being forwarded. We can dream all we want, but we're wasting time if no one can back it up with a plan and financing.

4. While I agree with Conrad's comment about the property being an eyesore, let's face it, the Pellini's have not been the best caretakers of the property ... they haven't painted, updated or maintained the property for decades. The way it looks today is nothing new and in no way motivates me to look favorably on a development proposal that is not appropriately designed for our downtown. New is not necessarily good ... or even better than what we have.

Moving on, the new proposal really isn't new and does not address my main issues. It is still totally rooted in suburban, auto-centric thinking. The interaction between the business and the public is still not on the sidewalk, the building still turns it's back on the most important corner in town and the mid-block driveway still exists. Those are my main problems with the site design and they remain unresolved. Cutesy up the buildings 'till the cows come home, but bad site design is still the deal breaker for me.

Ted

[Califoon]

Yeah, you're right. I had a little wine with friends last night and had been nursing a grip for some time about the decline of grammar spelling and punctuation online among professionals and the population in general. I think it matters to the quality of communication. I see I posted twice and was rather off topic both times. My apologies all around. These things happen. Cal

Gee. I saw the typo, scrupulous vs. unscrupulous. I understood what the poster meant by the rest of their comments. But "Occupy the language?" Puleese!

[Sara S]

What? I just sent the guy a "private email" saying I thought "occupy the language" was great! What did I miss here? Not the fact that you mis-capitalized in your quote.

Gee. I saw the typo, scrupulous vs. unscrupulous. I understood what the poster meant by the rest of their comments. But "Occupy the language?" Puleese!

[rossmen]

i think calling for an alternative proposal (with plans and financing!), as a requirement for rejecting the cvs proposal is naive and silly. not that i don't understand the sentiment, after all i floated one! cvs has an option to buy. they have tied up the property.

this is a whole block at the highway intersection of the most economically robust town in sonoma county. its a developers wet dream. do you understand how amazing it is that the barlow guy got financing to build retail and office space across the road? if cvs does let go and stay where they are, the pellinis will be able to sell their land for more $

and conrad a lot of your questions have already been answered in detail on wacco threads. you want me to look them up for you?

A few thoughts:

1. Our City can only regulate types of businesses to the extend allowed by the City's Municipal Code. Going beyond the powers described in the code amounts to tyranny. That said, I agree that the community of consumers may have as much power in this as the City does.


2. I disagree with a previous comment that this isn't about design. To me, it's PURELY about design. Any development downtown has to encourage interaction between the sidewalk and the business, not between a parking lot the the business. Nothing els is acceptable.

3. I also agree with Conrad's comment about no other development being forwarded. We can dream all we want, but we're wasting time if no one can back it up with a plan and financing.

4. While I agree with Conrad's comment about the property being an eyesore, let's face it, the Pellini's have not been the best caretakers of the property ... they haven't painted, updated or maintained the property for decades. The way it looks today is nothing new and in no way motivates me to look favorably on a development proposal that is not appropriately designed for our downtown. New is not necessarily good ... or even better than what we have.

Moving on, the new proposal really isn't new and does not address my main issues. It is still totally rooted in suburban, auto-centric thinking. The interaction between the business and the public is still not on the sidewalk, the building still turns it's back on the most important corner in town and the mid-block driveway still exists. Those are my main problems with the site design and they remain unresolved. Cutesy up the buildings 'till the cows come home, but bad site design is still the deal breaker for me.

Ted

[scamperwillow]

Did everyone see the article in the PD the other day about the class action against CVS for improper disposal of toxic waste? Just what we need right next to the Laguna!
https://www.rifuture.org/cvs-fined-f...c-needles.html

[scamperwillow]

Well I have to say that looks like an improvement, but the traffic and circulation and huge parking lot still look like problems.....
Who knows the exact time and date/place for the DRB meeting?

The new plans can be found here.

Here's one set of elevations:

[scamperwillow]

There's a new meeting at DRB May 16 correct? Time and place?

[Helen Shane]

Reminder
DRB Meeting

Wednesday, May 16

Sebastopol Veterans Aud.
4 pm - Dining Room

The CVS/Chase Mall is back along with its 2000 daily additional downtown automobile trips.

Please come to the May 16 Design Review Board meeting to have your opinion heard.

Their first plan was rejected by both the Design Review Board and the City Council. Now the great mall of CVS/ Chase is back.

After some tinkering, this revision is still an auto-centric mall, with two drive-throughs, 210 feet of a 26-foot high CVS building with no entrance on either street for pedestrians, and a driveway in the middle of the project, totally out of place for Sebastopol’s downtown and the only plus will be worse traffic congestion than there is now.

Come to hear the developer’s latest presentation.

Sebastopol deserves better than this!

The documents below have been submitted to the DRB by the developer and will be the subject of the meeting.

[Big Bob]

The new design seems significantly changed, and I like the retro look of the steel awnings and brick facade. Big improvement over other CVS stores I have seen. Of course that's my opinion, and everyone has a right to have an opinion, right?

In my opinion, Helen Shane is exaggerating her objections to the buildings because I believe Helen simply does not seem to like most private projects that have ever been proposed in Sebastopol. There is no 210 foot wall anywhere on the plan as she suggests, yet our existing Main Street is basically a continuous wall on both sides of the street, higher than the proposed new buildings!

The one proposed driveway on Petaluma Ave is very small at 20'. Helen complains of no entrance from the sidewalks, but the proposed store entrance is basically on Petaluma Ave, and part of the parking lot at the same time, which makes sense because there currently is relatively little foot traffic at the street corner. (I wonder why Helen cares where the door is, since it seems she hates CVS and is never going to go there?)

How about some POSITIVE SUGGESTIONS Helen?
What new business have you helped bring to our town Helen?

We seldom have a chance to have this much private money (not public funds) being spent to make improvements in our town. Lets all work WITH these folks to create something positive, particularly since they have shown a willingness to do so.
I for one, am sick and tired of your negativity and obstructionism Helen!

How about helping instead of hindering the process with some POSITIVE input Helen??

Bob Hirsch
Resident and local business owner since 1982

[Attic]

Helen has every right to express her opinion and CVS doesn't fit our community. I bet Bob would be in favor of a Walmart or Hydraulic Fracturing operation here in Sebastopol if there was money in it for him. So shut the hell up Bob.

The new design seems significantly changed, and I like the retro look of the steel awnings and brick facade. Big improvement over other CVS stores I have seen. Of course that's my opinion, and everyone has a right to have an opinion, right?

In my opinion, Helen Shane is exaggerating her objections to the buildings because I believe Helen simply does not seem to like most private projects that have ever been proposed in Sebastopol. There is no 210 foot wall anywhere on the plan as she suggests, yet our existing Main Street is basically a continuous wall on both sides of the street, higher than the proposed new buildings!

The one proposed driveway on Petaluma Ave is very small at 20'. Helen complains of no entrance from the sidewalks, but the proposed store entrance is basically on Petaluma Ave, and part of the parking lot at the same time, which makes sense because there currently is relatively little foot traffic at the street corner. (I wonder why Helen cares where the door is, since it seems she hates CVS and is never going to go there?)

How about some POSITIVE SUGGESTIONS Helen?
What new business have you helped bring to our town Helen?

We seldom have a chance to have this much private money (not public funds) being spent to make improvements in our town. Lets all work WITH these folks to create something positive, particularly since they have shown a willingness to do so.
I for one, am sick and tired of your negativity and obstructionism Helen!

How about helping instead of hindering the process with some POSITIVE input Helen??
Bob Hirsch
Resident and local business owner since 1982

[Big Bob]

Oh, here we go "Attic", another lurker who goes by a fake name, has no information in their profile, no photo, no sex, no location, NOTHING IN "ATTIC's" PROFILE AT ALL: probably will not identify his/her/itself, swears at me online, makes accusations without knowing me, and assumes he/she/it knows what I am thinking.
"Attic" has the right to an opinion.
Helen has a right to her opinion.
For some reason because I have a different opinion than "Attic" I am not allowed to express my opinion and I have to "shut the hell up"?
I ask someone to be positive, not negative, and I have to "shut the hell up"?
COME OUT "Attic", you coward.
You want to attack me personally because my opinion differs from yours, then show yourself, you coward!
You sure do not belong on a "Concious Community" bulletin board.

Your personal attack makes me want to say something that would be in really poor taste, but I won't play your game.

Helen has every right to express her opinion and CVS doesn't fit our community. I bet Bob would be in favor of a Walmart or Hydraulic Fracturing operation here in Sebastopol if there was money in it for him. So shut the hell up Bob.

[Attic]

What do you expect with the attack you launched on Helen and dont even start with the "I want to know your location". Like I said you would probably love a Walmart downtown.

[eeeeeeow]

Last night I attended the DRB meeting that was held to review the revised site plan for the CVS/Chase project submitted by Armstrong Developers. What I witnessed was a disgusting display by project advocates led by Kathleen Shafer henchman Linda Johnson. When the final public speaker stood to speak, he went over the alotted 3:00 minutes that each speaker is granted. It was then that the Johnson crowd started shouting over every word from the speaker's mouth. Even after the DRB Chair granted the speaker extra time to finish, there was no respect for the chairman or the process. They continued their bully tactics until the speaker sat down. The last time I looked, we were members of a democracy. I just hope our public officials don't cave in to such ruthless behavior.

[Big Bob]

Like I said you are a coward sniper, and you do not have any respect for an opinion other than those you agree with.

Your powers of observation seem to be lacking as well: you act as if CVS is not already in town, but they have been here for some time, and in fact own the building that they are currently located in.

You are still a coward, hiding behind a fake name, and attacking me personally and using obscenities. You are a piece of work: not the kind of person who should be a part of this community, and you should not live in our town. Go back to Los Angeles or Oakland, or wherever you came from, you snake.

What do you expect with the attack you launched on Helen and dont even start with the "I want to know your location". Like I said you would probably love a Walmart downtown.

[scamperwillow]

Were you at the meeting yesterday?

In light of the return proposal from CVS/Chase, I am urgently reminded of my desire to be proactive in keeping them and the likes out of Sebastopol. I am interested in helping to draft a resolution that would limit what kind of development is allowed in the downtown core. I was told that Cotati adopted a resolution along these lines quite a few years ago. There are many other small towns that tell chain stores where they can or cannot set up camp, and it seems that it would not be too difficult to re-word their ordinances to create our own.

Is there any movement currently happening on this front? If so, or if you would like to work together to get something in front of the City Council, please reply ASAP. peace...

[Attic]

I have been here since 1971 so get comfortable with the fact that I am indeed a part of this community. CVS should stay in its current location. Bob you own West Valley Welding correct? It is located right by the current proposed sight correct? What might you gain if CVS moves in next door? As for the words between us....I don't like the way you talked to Helen.

Like I said you are a coward sniper, and you do not have any respect for an opinion other than those you agree with.

Your powers of observation seem to be lacking as well: you act as if CVS is not already in town, but they have been here for some time, and in fact own the building that they are currently located in.

You are still a coward, hiding behind a fake name, and attacking me personally and using obscenities. You are a piece of work: not the kind of person who should be a part of this community, and you should not live in our town. Go back to Los Angeles or Oakland, or wherever you came from, you snake.