Could Cycles of War or Peace Be Tied to Cycles of the Sun?

[Hotspring 44]

Solar Cycle and Wars "I believe it will be the magnetic influence produced by the Sun which will usher in what is described by our ancient ancestors as "the transition" bringing us to a new state-of-being". -- Mitch Battros Solar Cycle 24 has begun - and it has been predicted by NASA, NOAA and ESA to be up to 50% stronger than its 'record breaking' predecessor Cycle 23 which produced the largest solar flare ever recorded. The Sun will reach its 'apex' (maximum) in late 2011 into 2012. We have tantalizing hints that the Earth's climate may be linked to sunspots. The "Little Ice Age" corresponded with a 70-year period, 1645-1715, when sunspots were sparse in number, the Maunder minimum. Also, there are strong statistical associations linking current trends in climate (surface temperatures) to trends in solar activity, as outlined in another paper by Wilson for the Journal of Geophysical Research (Atmospheres). Scientific research along with ancient text documents suggests the Mayan Calendar ending on December 21st 2012 may very well be connected to solar activity. Mitch Battros' research shows that charged particles emitted by the Sun in the way of solar flares, CME's and coronal holes are the cause of extreme earth changes such as earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, and tornadoes. His research also indicates the very same magnetic flux which effects the Earth, will also affect humans. In fact, Battros will demonstrate how the magnetic field which surrounds the Earth is similar to the magnetic field which surrounds every living thing. Could Cycles of War or Peace Be Tied to Cycles of the Sun? Could Cycles of War or Peace Be Tied to Cycles of the Sun? by Dr. Buryl Payne - National Council on Geocosmic Research A growing number of scientists, health care professionals, and concerned citizens argue that these invisible frequencies are responsible for a host of various health problems. Meanwhile, the largest polluter has gone unnoticed: the Sun. At certain times, the Sun's activity can also aggravate mental health problems. Every 10-11 years, the number of sunspots found on our closest star rise from 0 (as it is currently in 2008) to a high of over 400. While the sunspots themselves don't affect Earth, the solar flares and other disturbances emanating from our Sun during increased sunspot activity result in an increased number of particles (electrons and protons) and harmful light radiation (ultraviolet and x-rays), known as solar wind. If it weren't for Earth's protective magnetic field and atmosphere, this bombardment of particles would burn us to a crisp. Equation: Sunspots => Solar Flares => Magnetic Field Shift => Shifting Ocean and Jet Stream Currents => Extreme Weather and Human Disruption (mitch battros) Fortunately, our planet's magnetic field diverts most particles into a circular path around the Earth. Like weather patterns found on Earth, solar wind patterns can change rapidly. Luckily, our planet's magnetosphere quickly responds to the threat and absorbs the impact, wiggling and jiggling in the process. Geophysicists call this reaction a geomagnetic storm, but because of how it disrupts the Earth's magnetic field, it could also be called electromagnetic pollution. These storms, although minute, affect brain waves and hormone levels, causing a number of different reactions, predominately in males. While a few women may also experience changes during these storms, they generally seem less affected by the Sun's behavior. We too have magnetic fields which surround each of us. I think it is not unrealistic to conjecture what is happening "externally" is also happening "internally". I believe current science will acknowledge this notion, showing the Sun's "charged particles" and its influence on Earth's magnetic field is the impetus of change. In-like, this same causal effect occurs with human magnetic fields ushering in a change or "transition". Perhaps this is what our Mayan elders are trying to tell us Reacting to changing hormone levels, some men may become increasingly irritable and aggressive, while others may instead become more creative. An increase in solar activity is found to increase psychotic episodes in individuals who already suffer from unstable psychological states. While we might relate such behavior to a full moon, in 1963, Dr. Robert Becker and his colleague, Dr. Freedman, demonstrated that solar changes also lead to a noticeable increase in psychotic activity. Yet these reactions are not simply isolated to a few particularly sensitive or unlucky individuals. Evidence indicates that wars and international conflicts most often break out when sunspots are rapidly forming or rapidly decaying, as these are times when there are more intense geomagnetic storms. In addition, this increase in solar activity also correlates to periods of more accidents and illness, as well as an increase of crimes and murders. The entire biosphere is affected by this electromagnetic pollution, and human behavior seems to react accordingly. The complete article is at: https://www.world-mysteries.com/newg...olarcycle1.htm

Sunspots and Solar Flares: Decoding the Message from the Sun Excerpts fom: Prophecy for the 1990s III" Part 6, based on a lecture given by Elizabeth Clare Prophet May 22, 1989, Chicago, Illinois, updated for publication in the 1990 Pearls of Wisdom. By tracking solar flares, biologist Marsha Adams was able to assist the San Francisco fire department by predicting arson attacks 72 hours in advance. She believes that flares affect people within the first few days after they happen. She has also found that earthquakes tend to occur about four days after flares. Adams and other investigators reported a correlation between increased solar activity and freak weather conditions, crime waves and political instability. Mental instability appears to be connected with solar activity as well. Psychiatrists have noticed that voluntary admissions to mental hospitals increase for two to three days after a solar-induced magnetic disturbance. Joe H. Allen, Chief of the Solar-Terrestrial Physics Division of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said scientists at the Kettering Magnetic Laboratory have found that geomagnetic disturbances may produce a temporary deficiency of calcium or lithium ions inside brain cells, which is a characteristic of progressed manic-depressives. Adams found that wars tend to break out two to three years after the sunspot maximum—although they occasionally break out before it. She believes that large earthquakes, around 7.0 on the Richter scale, tend to occur near the peak of the sunspot cycle. Very large earthquakes, however-8 and above-tend to occur two to three years after the sunspot peak. Peaks in the sunspot-cycle have coincided with major flu epidemics going all the way back to 1761. The sunspot cycle is peaking right now, and once again there is a flu epidemic in the United States, Britain, Europe and the Soviet Union. Economists have even found links between solar activity and the economy. For example, in "Solar and Economic Relationships," which appeared in the Quarterly Journal of Economics in 1934, Carlos Garcia-Mata argued that there is a correlation between the appearance of sunspots near the solar equator (which happens just after the sunspot peak) and times of economic depression.

Scientists find errors in hypothesis linking solar flares to global temperature

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Some current events in the news today:

SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korea is digging tunnels at a site where it has launched two nuclear tests, suggesting it is preparing a third, the South's Yonhap news agency said on Sunday.

– Sun Feb 20, 5:10 am ET SEOUL (AFP) – North Korea has started digging tunnels at its nuclear test site in apparent preparation for a third atomic detonation, a report said on Sunday.

Gadhafi's son warns of civil war in Libya





CAIRO – After anti-government unrest spread to the Libyan capital of Tripoli and protesters seized military bases and weapons Sunday, Moammar Gadhafi's son went on state television to proclaim that his father remained in charge with the army's backing and would "fight until the last man, the last woman, the last bullet."

Seif al-Islam Gadhafi, in the regime's first comments on the six days of demonstrations, warned the protesters that they risked igniting a civil war in which Libya's oil wealth "will be burned."


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[Gene]

War is as constant as the sun. Quoting unsubstantiated research is just not good science. I think you should look to history and the nature of man if you really want the answer. Do you think mans quest for power, his greed and his sexually driven mind have any thing to do with it ? Yes we have the power to rise above this ( I think ) and their are many good people in the world. In fact their are probably many more good people than evil ones but it seems that greed, power, money and corruption are the norm in this corporate media driven world. I'm only saying the answer is not in the sun or the stars but in our own hearts. And we do have the power to change. I think.

[Hotspring 44]

War is as constant as the sun.

With humans chimpanzees and some species of ants; I do agree with that.

Quoting unsubstantiated research is just not good science.

1- Who is qualified to say for certain what the unsubstantiated and/or the substantiated "science is anyway?
2- RE:

I think you should look to history and the nature of man if you really want the answer.

I have the experience of being a "human"... ...I say that is the primary reason why I agree with your first statement.

Do you think mans quest for power, his greed and his sexually driven mind have any thing to do with it?

I never said or meant to imply that "mans quest for power, his greed and his sexually driven mind" did not "have any thing to do with it". but now that you mention it; of course those are part of the nature of humans at this juncture in our human existence.

Yes we have the power to rise above this ( I think )...

That statement is also not convincing evidence of "good science" being used.

...and their are many good people in the world.

Has that been scientifically proven; is that scientific theory; (?)... ...If so where is the data?... ...Or is that statement merely conjecture?

In fact their are probably...

"In fact"... "probably"???! " What kind of "good science" ("scientific" data) is that supposed to be referenced to?... ...Where are the peer reviewed papers and actual "scientific" article on the so-called probability of that section of your statement (?)... ...("In fact their are probably")... ...In "fact" that statement is as close to an oxymoron a statement as one can get. Particularly when referring and eluding to (so-called) "good science"... ...Anecdotal yes, scientific, not.

...many more good people than evil ones but it seems that greed, power, money and corruption are the norm in this corporate media driven world.

I am thinking that it has not been "scientifically" proven that greed, power, money and corruption are not the norm (so I do agree with that part of your statement). But to scientifically substantiate that the "world" is actually "corporate media driven" is another thing altogether.
The definition of "world" is the issue here.
The scientific definition of what drives the 4+ Billion year old 'world" is definitely not "corporate media" or "humans" by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm only saying the answer is not in the sun or the stars but in our own hearts. And we do have the power to change. I think.

That is a "good thought" but unfortunately, scientifically; it is closer to anecdotal, and conjecture then "good science" (whatever that would be for this topic).

I agree that some of the references I linked and what my original posting of this thread eluded to are quite "conjecture" driven and anecdotal for sure.

I also agree that we humans have the ability (I think that is what you were essentially saying) "in our own hearts" to not destroy completely our own ability to exist here on Planet Earth with our warlike and selfish behavior.

The "corporate media driven world"; I guess that as long as the masses support it; they will just keep on doing "BAU" "Business As Usual".

So at the moment the 2 big questions I have are:
1- Will "nature" (radical weather shifts/changes, highly radioactive solar mass ejections, magnetic pole shift, or any other not humanly controllable things etc.) cause and/or shift the reigns of power in the human social, political, military, and food availability?
2- If so, than everything under the sun so to speak, should be investigated as if we don't know the answers yet.... ...therefore why are these things so cavalierly being ignored by the masses whom will inevitably and so drastically be adversely affected by the rapid changes that are so obvious to those that are paying attention to the "good science" that is available to the public?

[Gene]

Good science is science that has been reviewed by and accepted by accredited piers or the general scientific community. Everything else is not even theory just conjecture. I never said my statement was science you did. What I said was opinion, nothing more. Some of the statements called science belong more in the rag sheet publications than in scientific journals. You know like the aliens ate my dog stuff. My answer (opinion again) to question 1 is absolutely. As for question 2 yes inquiring minds should investigate whatever questions they have. Why do the masses ignore them, that's easy, their the masses and the founding fathers opinion was they could not be trusted. Good science is science that has withstood the scrutiny of recognized scientists and is available to anyone with a library card or internet service if you look to the universities. The trouble with publishing opinions or hypothesis and acting like they must be true is the real truth gets hidden in a classical disinformation campaign. This tends to make the "masses" think it is all bunk. If you want to discredit a real UFO sighting you fill the news with a thousand phoney ones. We have some very real problems right now that could lead to worldwide food disruptions and worldwide unrest which is usually followed by repression and war. Gmo's which are attacking natures greatest defence, genetic diversity, the pollution of the oceans and dwindleing fish populations, and the rapid warming of the earth are just the beginnig of the problems we face. We live in a world where most of us would feel guilty about pouring gasoline or other toxics down the drain and oil companies pump millions of gallons of diesel into the earth to fracture shale. The masses don't care. All they care about is the price of gas and being able to drive that 15mpg truck down to quicky mart. So I guess what I'm saying is lets concentrate on the big problems that most of the world's scientists believe are a threat to our very existance. If we don't then the earth will find balance in it's own way by a tremendous reduction of the worlds population. That's my two cents for what it's worth. It's opinion backed by what we know to be true today. What will be the truth of tomorrow ? We wil see.

[Hotspring 44]

Good science is science that has been reviewed by and accepted by accredited piers or the general scientific community. Everything else is not even theory just conjecture.

In general I agree with that. But there are always exceptions to that “rule”. In science are really no (or very few anyway) absolutes.

I never said my statement was science you did.

Where did Iactually say that it was science? I was posting links to arouse discussion. It worked!

What I said was opinion, nothing more.

I am now fully aware of that now that you confirmed it.

Some of the statements called science belong more in the rag sheet publications than in scientific journals.

Some were what I would call rag sheets!... ...Good call!

You know like the aliens ate my dog stuff. My answer (opinion again) to question 1 is absolutely. As for question 2 yes inquiring minds should investigate whatever questions they have. Why do the masses ignore them, that's easy, their the masses and the founding fathers opinion was they could not be trusted.

They also believed that governments could not be fully trusted either.

Good science is science that has withstood the scrutiny of recognized scientists and is available to anyone with a library card or internet service if you look to the universities.

We are on the same page on that.

The trouble with publishing opinions or hypothesis and acting like they must be true is the real truth gets hidden in a classical disinformation campaign.

That does happen particularly when there is more to “gain” for the “publishers” of the books and TV shows or whatever politics adds into the equation.

This tends to make the "masses" think it is all bunk.

Now you are talking about raw politics.

If you want to discredit a real UFO sighting you fill the news with a thousand phoney ones.

Yup, you got that right!

We have some very real problems right now that could lead to worldwide food disruptions and worldwide unrest which is usually followed by repression and war.

Exactly the point I am eluding to with this thread! Good for you to recognize that!! Bravo!! Really, I mean; thanks!

Gmo's which are attacking natures greatest defence, genetic diversity, the pollution of the oceans and dwindleing fish populations, and the rapid warming of the earth are just the beginnig of the problems we face.

I get your point but, the beginning? I think maybe the beginning could be genetic and “natural selection”. What I mean is the in the “Darwinian” terminology; “survival of the fittest” may be what is fueling the human destruction of the ecosphere.
Our brain power may have outgrown our ability to cope with the rapid population growth due to our ability to extract nutrients to the point where humans could have a real die-off crisis because of the population increase, add to that; political, and religious tendencies to ignore and stifle some real scientifically crucial data that needs our attention sooner rather then later.

We live in a world where most of us would feel guilty about pouring gasoline or other toxics down the drain and oil companies pump millions of gallons of diesel into the earth to fracture shale. The masses don't care. All they care about is the price of gas and being able to drive that 15mpg truck down to quicky mart. So I guess what I'm saying is lets concentrate on the big problems that most of the world's scientists believe are a threat to our very existance.

Yes, well, now that you mention it; Human population is the most significant one of them all as far as I can anecdotally tell.
The Chinese want more & more automobiles, and use great amounts of coal, the 3 rivers dam has reduced their arable cropland.
India also wants more automobiles. USA is stalwartly refusing to do anything substantial to curb the greenhouse gasses it’s emitting. In fact the House republicans and Tea Partiers are still essentially denying humans are causing any global warming gasses enough to change the “natural ability” of Earth to absorb them.

If we don't then the earth will find balance in it's own way by a tremendous reduction of the worlds population.

Yes.
Of course we humans may just hasten our fate on that one.

That's my two cents for what it's worth. It's opinion backed by what we know to be true today. What will be the truth of tomorrow ? We wil see.

Another point I was inferring is that humans are superstitious and because of that are not always true to what would be called an “outside ‘scientific’ observer” would predict not knowing about “man’s fickle (superstitious) ways. In other words; people are usually easy to manipulate based on common belief; not necessarily fact. Remember Sudam Husain, Curveball, and the “WOMD’s? Yes another example of the corporate mass media (Weapon Of Mass Deception) monster raising its ugly head.
Scientific or not; Based on that as evidence; Nether the masses nor Governments can always be trusted.

[Gene]

Gee thanks teach. Did I get an "A". Next time I want to be rated by someone and have my statements picked apart and by someone with no qualifications and is just trying to stimulate discussion with a bunch of bull I'll make sure to respond to one of your postings.

[Hotspring 44]

Gee thanks teach. Did I get an "A".

That's a sarcastic remark.... ...Suit yourself.

Next time I want to be rated by someone and have my statements picked apart and by someone with no qualifications and is just trying to stimulate discussion with a bunch of bull I'll make sure to respond to one of your postings.

You started and continued the back and forth between us by (not necessarily in chronological order) giving me a critique about my posting stating that:
1- You stated that I said that the things that are in my post were science (implicating they were all "fact")....

"I never said my statement was science you did."

...I never stated that I thought any of the links or statements eluding to Cycles of War or Peace being the primary cause that I posted have been proven to be; "scientifically proven" as "fact". I was considering the hypothesis; nothing more.

2- Note the title of the thread: "Could Cycles of War or Peace Be Tied to Cycles of the Sun?". I deliberately titled it as a question, not a conviction of belief. I guess that you could have overlooked that. If you did it's on you.

3- More specifically, RE:

Next time I want to be rated by someone and have my statements picked apart and by someone with no qualifications and is just trying to stimulate discussion with a bunch of bull I'll make sure to respond to one of your postings.

There are naturally occurring oscillations which may have far more affect on human psychology and have actual consequences in real day-to-day life than we may think.
There are things that have been poo-poo'd by so-called "skeptics" that later, sometimes centuries later, after the data has been honestly investigated by "qualified" "scientists" witch the hypothesis has been proven to at least have had merit (at that time in the past) and was at least in large part correct.

4- "good science" needs a "hypothesis" at some point to have any real investigation in the first place.

5- As far as I am concerned, I am as "qualified" as anybody else to posting here on waccobb.

6- Your high horse may be about to stumble in this brier patch we call "WaccoTalk" on the waccobb, you may consider getting off it and on the level instead of riding it on like a cowboy with insinuations of whatever your idea is about "qualifications" that you imply are necessary for your highness's personal standards for your highness's ever so 'important' response.... ...Yes I admit; that was a "sarcastic statement". You are welcome to critique my posts all you want as far as I am concerned. Your input is whatever you decide, my response is whatever I decide. I'm okay with that.

7- "Good science" is loaded with "critique" by many levels of "qualifiers"; some of which do and some that don't pan-out. So be the nature of science and learning.

8- At least I was being both, honest and specific in my responses to you. I am thinking you; same on the honesty part of that that.
As far as specifics in the responses are concerned; I know some are into it, some are not. That is the way it is; I accept that and respect the preferences of anyone that chooses to be more generalized or specific in their responses than others. To each his or her own.

9- You (we) don't always get what you (we) want; particularly in the field of science and internet discussion boards!

[Gene]

Wow ! You can dish it out but I think you have a tough time taking it ! A high horse is good for seeing over the bull.

[Hotspring 44]

Wow ! You can dish it out but I think you have a tough time taking it ! A high horse is good for seeing over the bull.

At least you admit your on a "high horse" so to speak.
Horses don't do well in thorny brier patches.
Best to be sure it's a "bull" and not a bear in that brier patch before you start poking at it.... ...It could be more than you and your "high horse" are prepared to handle.
It might actually scratch the surface of you and your high horses egos.

[Gene]

Bull, Bear, no matter, I can handle it. Me and my sixteen hand horse got some pretty tough armor. It don't scratch that easy.

[Hotspring 44]

Bull, Bear, no matter, I can handle it. Me and my sixteen hand horse got some pretty tough armor. It don't scratch that easy.

Cool.

[podfish]

Gee thanks teach. Did I get an "A". Next time I want to be rated by someone and have my statements picked apart and by someone with no qualifications and is just trying to stimulate discussion with a bunch of bull I'll make sure to respond to one of your postings.

you're new here, huh?? didn't expect any followup to yours? I missed the [/DISCUSSION] tag in your post.....