Whooping cough cases soar in Sonoma County; Anti-vaccination crowd = murderers?

[Sylph]

I appreciate that our public health system may be failing in not recommending booster shots for certain diseases, such as whooping cough. Sadly, it's the infected adults caring for the baby that are the most likely to pass it on. Are day care workers or pediatric nurses required to keep up on their pertussis vaccines? Doting grandmas and aunties? I don't think so.

I was also wondering about the info on "deadly shingles" in the young. I can't not find anything either. It is true that young people can get shingles, although it is less likely in a young person. If there was a way to prevent shingles by preventing chicken pox in the first place, I am positive many shingles sufferers would have had their shots (which were not available, of course), even if they required a booster every ten years. I know that shingles can be excruciatingly painful. There is no pain like nerve pain.

Here is a very interesting article on the various child-killers from not that long ago. I highlighted some of the chicken pox info:
https://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010978.htm/

Chicken Pox
Chicken pox (AKA varicella). A red itchy rash marked with blisters, low-grade fever, and aching joints that lasts for a few days. The rash appears primarily on the torso. Caused by a virus and spread by droplets or direct contact. Photo. Photo. Photo.
When a woman who is not immune catches chicken pox any time during pregnancy, but particularly in the first 28 weeks of pregnancy, the virus can infect her fetus, resulting in fetal varicella syndrome:
Under-developed fingers and toes, Anal and urinary bladder sphincter,abnormalities,Spinal cord malformation, Damage to the eyes, Brain damage, Absent deep tendon reflexes
Chicken pox is the gift that keeps on giving. It never goes away—it just becomes inactive living along the nerve pathways in the body. It can return in the form of shingles later on, when the patient is under stress, immunocompromised, or otherwise has reduced resistance.

[Larysa]

The Salk Institute sits on the cliffs above Torrey Pines Beach in San Diego - a huge complex on a prime piece of real estate. What's interesting and may be little known: is that Dr. Salk did not immunize his own children. Just something to think about.

Take good care!
Larysa

Barry, you've stated a whole lot of misinformation, but I'm done with arguing here on WACCO about it. Do the research yourself. If your child dies because you didn't vaccinate that comes with a punishment that will last your lifetime. If your poor judgement kills your neighbor's kid you're unlikely to feel it's your fault and you won't be prosecuted. If it happened to my kid I would certainly sue the people responsible if I possibly could.

The "natural medicine" crowd proposes we skip true immune boosting through vaccinations by substituting a lot of totally unnatural and most likely harmful vitamins and "supplements." The evidence that any form of vitamin supplementation causes harm continues to mount.

It's a belief system not a science system that discourages vaccination. This is expressed through the vehement resistance to all the studies that continually prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and the folly of failing to vaccinate, as in the article linked above.

There's no shaking a belief system (a delusional system) with mere facts.

Sadly, it's killing and maiming children.

-Jeff

[Peace Voyager]

War, yeah, anyone who pays taxes these days supports war. I'll go that far.

I disagree with that.

I have been speaking for 8 years to local and Federal government for appropriate appropriations of our tax (now debt) dollars - defense NOT offense. CityCare NOT warfare, etc. etc.

Viet Nam finally ended because Christopher Dodd led the way to end the funding. He is a big dissapontment now.

Senator Byrd, (RIP), was one of my heros - please see the DVD "Body of War" by Phil Donahue to see how PL 107-246 got us into World War III without following the Constituion.

If everyone takes some action NOW, we can bring on the real change!

Please see my diary on Daily Kos for examples of what you can do too.

If we do at least one thing each day to stop the madness of optional conflict, we are not supporting war. We are doing our duty to support our country and our troops; even if the elected criminals are using it to make our troops murderers.

In peace,



Colleen Fernald

Sol-Solutions Integrated Solutions for Energy Independence

See how much the "war" funding is being misused:

nationalpriorites.org

Take action:

Cities for Peace (Bring the Troops Home) - Cities for Progress

Lowey to Remove Assistance for Afghanistan From Foreign Aid Bill

For Immediate Release
June 28, 2010
Contact: Matt Dennis (202) 225-6506

Chairwoman Announces Oversight Hearings on Corruption in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON – Congresswoman Nita Lowey (D-NY), Chairwoman of the Appropriations State and Foreign Operations Subcommittee, today announced she is removing funding for Afghanistan beyond humanitarian aid from her 2011 bill scheduled for markup this week.

“The alleged shipment of billions in donor funds out of Afghanistan and allegations of Afghan government insiders impeding corruption investigations are outrageous,” said Lowey. “I do not intend to appropriate one more dime for assistance to Afghanistan until I have confidence that U.S. taxpayer money is not being abused to line the pockets of corrupt Afghan government officials, drug lords, and terrorists. Furthermore, the government of Afghanistan must demonstrate that corruption is being aggressively investigated and prosecuted.

“Rampant corruption fosters the conditions that threaten the security of our troops and the stability of the Afghan government and economy.”

The State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee will mark up its Fiscal Year 2011 Appropriations Act on Wednesday June 30th. The subcommittee will not consider any bilateral assistance for the Afghan government other than lifesaving humanitarian aid at this time.

Lowey also announced the Subcommittee will hold oversight hearings after the July 4th recess to get to the bottom of these allegations.

“Too many Americans are suffering in this economy for us to put their hard-earned tax dollars into the hands of criminals overseas,” said Lowey. “We will not commit billions more in taxpayer money for Afghanistan until there are assurances that such funds will be used for their intended purposes and that the government of Afghanistan is willing and able to root out corruption within its ranks. U.S. taxpayers deserve nothing less.”

[elienos]

It looks like this article is a blog, not a peer reviewed article. Blogs are opinion. I could tell because actually this statement has only a small amount of truth in it. "It can return in the form of shingles later on, when the patient is under stress, immunocompromised, or otherwise has reduced resistance." Please read the articles I posted, by a doctor in a peer reviewed medical journal. Less than 10% of folks with shingles are immuno-compromised. Younger and younger folks have been getting shingles because the immunity against shingles depends of regular contact with the disease chicken pox to boost immunity. This is why it used to be an old people's disease. For some reason when I debate this disease/vaccine I assume people know how chicken pox and shingles work together, but more often than not they don't

Part of the problem with finding info about that is that it has been less than a decade since this has been going on, since it was only 1995 that they added varicella to the list of vaccines. The other problem is that academic journals are not free on the internet. The varicella virus has actually evolved with humans for about 70 million years. Arrogant PEOPLE think that they can always do a better job than nature, and rarely think through the consequences. It is too bad people are so dependent on the medical industrial complex to have any thoughts that don't come from it's mainstream rhetoric.

Read Dr. Goldmans work. Virtually all positive findings presented by Dr. Goldman were incorporated into medical journal articles published by officials from the CDC and Los Angeles County Department of Health Services. There seemingly appeared to be success with a dramatic decline in reported chickenpox cases by nearly 80% from the licensure of the chickenpox vaccine on March 17, 1995 through 2000. However, the negative or deleterious findings that Goldman began objectively reporting in 2001 and thereafter were treated much differently (i.e. censored). So he was good enough to use in their articles, but only the info they liked.

When I was researching vaccines, I used the San Francisco library's database. I recycled most of the articles, so can't find a couple great ones. If you have a SF Library card you can access their medical journal database online with your card number. This is a very good resource.

Last year, my friends 4 year old got shingles , her doc thought she must have picked up subclinical chicken pox from freshly vaxed kids. Opinion, yes, but I thought that was a wierd thing for a doctor to think.

I hate that I have spent so much time on the computer debating this. Please look for info that isn't backed by profit. CDC is in big pharmas hands. Plus they don't want you to know when they make mistakes. Its all PR.

I appreciate that our public health system may be failing in not recommending booster shots for certain diseases, such as whooping cough. Sadly, it's the infected adults caring for the baby that are the most likely to pass it on. Are day care workers or pediatric nurses required to keep up on their pertussis vaccines? Doting grandmas and aunties? I don't think so.

I was also wondering about the info on "deadly shingles" in the young. I can't not find anything either. It is true that young people can get shingles, although it is less likely in a young person. If there was a way to prevent shingles by preventing chicken pox in the first place, I am positive many shingles sufferers would have had their shots (which were not available, of course), even if they required a booster every ten years. I know that shingles can be excruciatingly painful. There is no pain like nerve pain.

Here is a very interesting article on the various child-killers from not that long ago. I highlighted some of the chicken pox info:
https://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010978.htm/

[elienos]

JUST SAY NO

to cradle to grave vaccines. That's what merck is after.

[Peace Voyager]

Senator Byrd, (RIP), was one of my heros - please see the DVD "Body of War" by Phil Donahue to see how PL 107-246 got us into World War III without following the Constituion.

Opps; the bill was Public Law 107-243

If you failed to notice - this has led to World War III, without even a declaration of war; as per the US Constitution.

You would think a president, who taught Constitutional law, and is a Democrat, would have a problem with inheriting illegally gained war powers.

I wish we could see the where the US would be now would be if Kucinich had won.

[Becky Lynn]

Not everybody can handle what's in vaccinations. Do we even know what's all in vaccines? There are some horrible carcinogenic preservatives. Like treating like is one thing that works, it's the risk with the preservatives that is harmful to our bodies. By the way, has there ever been an unbiased study to see if unvaccinated people have health issues as much as vaccinated people do. That would be a very interesting study. A clean and healthy lifestyle seems to be the answer for the most part. Forcing people to get vaccinated goes against our rights to our freedom of choice. Many cases of diseases and deaths of people had been vaccinated for that disease. That's why we are forced to sign the release papers before getting shots. It's a huge catch 22!!

The term that keeps coming to mind is accessory to murder. That's really what the anti-vaccination crowd is guilty of. Infanticide is a pretty horrible crime. Imagine if you murdered your own or your neighbor's child based on intentional ignorance and misinformation.

Whooping Cough Epidemic in California: Lax Vaccination May Be to Blame - ABC News

-Jeff

[beshiva]

on a side note here- since we always love to slam the folks who have differences and these folks decide to research things more deeply, or don't just take the word of the pharmacueticals, and the doctors they serve...
every child in my granddaughter's class this past year (and there were a couple, and a few more in the school as a whole who came down with whooping cough-- get this- my point, Here it comes..wait..wait.....THEY WERE ALL VACCINATED!
my granddaughter is Not vaccinated- she didn't get whooping cough.
And, over 25 years ago one of our six children got whooping cough. none of our children were vaccinated. this one child was the only one in our family who contracted it.
geez- They all survived. guess we were lucky OR whooping cough isn't so damn bad.
ps i never murdered anyone in my life! :)

The term that keeps coming to mind is accessory to murder. That's really what the anti-vaccination crowd is guilty of. Infanticide is a pretty horrible crime. Imagine if you murdered your own or your neighbor's child based on intentional ignorance and misinformation.

Whooping Cough Epidemic in California: Lax Vaccination May Be to Blame - ABC News

-Jeff