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    Re: Project Proposal - Downtown Sebastopol Hotel

    Also to anyone that LIKES the idea of a another Hotel..i DO NOT have a problem with "hotels" what i have a "problem" with ...IS PLACEMENT of it ...it is ridiculous it IS bad "planing" PERIOD....When We have to struggle between TWO highways with a tiny parking lot "town square" ...that is ignorant ...Sincerely e.m.c
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    "Only governments can handle runaway tourism. Few major industries fall so squarely into their hands – local, regional and national. Governments decide who is eligible for visas: how many cruise ships, airlines and trains can bring in visitors, how many hotels receive building permits, how many beaches are open to development, how many museums and concert halls are open, even how many farmers receive subsidies to raise food for the restaurants and cafes that tourists frequent.

    After years spent tracking the explosion of tourism, I came to the obvious conclusion that without serious and difficult government co-ordination, mayhem can follow. The current biggest disrupters are short-term rental companies, such as Airbnb, and cruise ships."

    From The Guardian: Only governments can stem the tide of tourism sweeping the globe
    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lobe?CMP=fb_gu

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    Re: Project Proposal - Downtown Sebastopol Hotel

    I read the Guardian article with the link provided by Jessica. It mentions Venice, a town in Cambodia, Rio de Janiero, New Orleans and Vancouver, where local populations have been pushed out by the economic pressure of tourism, leading to higher rents and a loss of community. "The dimensions of the industry have grown so vast so quickly that it has become a central issue of globalization". "The biggest disrupters are short-term rental companies, such as Airbnb and cruise ships."

    In the background of my mind, was a week I spent on the island of Ko Tao, Thailand, which is about 2 miles by 4 miles, in February. No one lived on the island prior to 1947. Today it's lined with resorts, hotels, & rental accommodations. All water is imported into the island, in big tanks 6'x6'x6'. All trash and garbage is sent to the mainland, as the island is too small for burning or burying. Around the resorts, it's clean. Away from them, it's trashy, piles of trash stacked in black garbage bags, old vehicles run off the road & abandoned, and a filthy boat harbor with all kinds of crap floating around the boats.

    My observation is that our lives are being affected by uncontrollable economic forces, that are difficult to control or temper. Capitalism seems to have no limits, in how it can ruin the environment, warm the globe, displace people, shrink jobs, raise the cost of housing, and monetarize everything. There are many more losers than winners.

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    "Only governments can handle runaway tourism. Few major industries fall so squarely into their hands – local, regional and national. Governments decide who is eligible for visas: how many cruise ships, airlines and trains can bring in visitors, how many hotels receive building permits, how many beaches are open to development, how many museums and concert halls are open, even how many farmers receive subsidies to raise food for the restaurants and cafes that tourists frequent.

    After years spent tracking the explosion of tourism, I came to the obvious conclusion that without serious and difficult government co-ordination, mayhem can follow. The current biggest disrupters are short-term rental companies, such as Airbnb, and cruise ships."

    From The Guardian: Only governments can stem the tide of tourism sweeping the globe
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    I have no quarrel with what you have said except the last sentence "There are many more losers than winners'"

    The movement of people out of poverty around the globe has been remarkable over the last 20 or 30 years - all because of capitalism - and certainly not because of any other ism..

    Here are a couple of quotes and the link from which they came - and there's plenty of other, similar evidence,: "At the dawn of the new millennium, the United Nations set a goal of eradicating poverty by 2030. With 14 years left to go, we’ve already reduced the proportion of destitute people in world by 50 percent, according to U.S. Agency for International Development administrator Gayle Smith." and "By the current metric of $1.90 a day, the decline is even greater. According to the World Bank, 1.9 billion people (or 37.1 percent of the global population) lived on less than $1.90 a day in 1990, compared to a projected 702 million (9.6 percent) in 2015. That’s a 74.1 percent decline in 25 years." http://www.politifact.com/global-news/statements/2016/mar/23/gayle-smith/did-we-really-reduce-extreme-poverty-half-30-years/

    Capitalism certainly has its weaknesses, but other isms don't hold a candle to it - particularly with proper government intervention
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    Your experience is valuable info here. We also have a trash crisis, or is it chronic? How can government/thecollectiveagreementforviolence help Us? Capitalism is a dirty word, and yet we benifit. Alternatives wither unless actively supported by collective. In the garden of human sociology/mind how do we tend for abundance vs invasion?

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    My observation is that our lives are being affected by uncontrollable economic forces, that are difficult to control or temper. Capitalism seems to have no limits, in how it can ruin the environment, warm the globe, displace people, shrink jobs, raise the cost of housing, and monetarize everything. There are many more losers than winners.
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    Re: Project Proposal - Downtown Sebastopol Hotel

    The way i see it is between the housing shortage which is being fueled by (don't hate me for the TRUTH) several things one is mostly unbridled population growth & B&B types of rentals & the horrendous wine INDUSTRY & now Weed too...sorry i am NOT against Weed per se however it is SO intense that TOO many are buying FOOD Lands to grow Marijuana and THE horrid part of THAT is that TOO MANY of those People are UNETHICAL and ALSO "practice" NON SUSTAINABLE NON ORGANIC "high YIELD" crops bringing many "gangster type mentality" (i.e Water abuse , pesticides, robberies , murder etc)...into our Communities ...ALL of this is DIRECTLY because of OUR inability to WAKE THE HELL UP AND SEE what OUR LACK of FORESIGHT has and IS costing us.

    Socio ECONOMICS is THE reason TOO MANY will murder , steal & participate in NON Ethical behavior in order to SURVIVE ...this idea of a "hotel" is not PARTICULARLY bad ( i can think of WAY worse things such as a "genetic company" or "pesticide company" etc there or something else even more vile) ...however i am VEHEMENTLY AGAINST WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT !!!!

    When the TRUTH be told We have a TERRIBLE "town square" that i call the "the Town PARKING LOT FREEWAY" & "The Farmers Market PARKING LOT FREEWAY" on Sundays ..it IS DANGEROUS for OUR CHILDREN ...it IS surrounded by a FREEWAY! It is shocking that Sebastopol that prides itself on being more Healthful does NOT have a NICE Town Square or can come up with a viable solution ...LIKE "PUT THE HOTEL IN THE PARKING LOT FREEWAY" and put OUR Town Square in the empty lot (the hotel wants) it MAKES SENSE to do this because the Barlow is dying EVERY Winter those business's suffer. If We put the Town Square THERE instead of "the parking lot freeway" the Barlow would increase REVENUES & OUR Children would be safer as WELL as OUR Animal Friends ..EVERY Sunday i find myself watching ALL the Children to make sure they do not fall into or run into the FREEWAY or Dogs or and Elderly Person ...it is also VERY stressful ..to be dealing with ALL the pollution that being surrounded by a parking lot & a FREEWAY causes ...We get "use" to it however WHY should We have to ..when the MORE LOGICAL common sense would be to put the hotel in THE PARKING LOT!! And move the Town Square to the Barlow side thus making our Park safer in EVERY way and BRING MORE BUSINESS TO THE BARLOW!!!

    ALL business's there NEED to get on board with this ..DUH! Also as i stated at the beginning of my "comment" this SO called "government" of the People (a outright LIE!!) is AGAIN trying to put THE BURDEN of taxation on the "Working Class" AGAIN!!!! Giving the wealthy 1% MORE BREAKS !!! This NON sense MUST STOP because in the END NO one will be "better off" UNLESS the !% do what i ( i Pray i am WRONG) i predict which is "ONCE THEIR PERVERTED "tech NO LOGIC" is perfected there will be a pandemic like NO one has ever seen ...the Earth can recover quickly ONCE more than HALF the population disappears.(and the uber "rich" KNOW THIS)..just sayn LOOK DEEP LOOK at the REAL History ...of OUR World and WEEP because the definition of "INSANITY" is described as "making the SAME mistakes OVER & OVER yet...expecting a different outcome"....look at Ancient Rome...TRUTH always comes out....THINK Sincerely e.m.c
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    Re: Project Proposal - Downtown Sebastopol Hotel

    Some people are clearly “out to lunch”
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