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Re: Homelessness after the fires
From: tommy  Supporting member  
Posted: November 18, 2017, 12:42 pm
This is from today's PD:

Santa Rosa cleans up downtown homeless camps

"This time, city officials say they’re not going to let the camps return, taking a tougher approach to the issue in response to a chorus of complaints from businesses owners and residents."

In your post, there's alot of judgment, finger pointing, & make wrong about public officials, who don't do what you want them to do for the homeless. This is a contentious issue, and marginalizing public officials may feel good, but it doesn't contribute to moving forward. My sense, reading the simple line from the PD, about responding to complaints from business owners and residents, is that many people don't agree with you. It's probably especially true for those who live near or have businesses near the homeless encampments under the bridges. They don't want people camping right next to them, on the sidewalks. Can you blame them? We live in a society of many views and opinions - isn't this what democracy is all about? The needs of all are relevant, not just the homeless and their advocates.

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they took people off today- criminalizing homelessness, and that's what the great County of Sonoma has to offer our most underprivileged, in a county of the privileged.
Olivares is running for Sheriff- shame on him! shame on all in the City Council, except for Julie Combs, who at least tried. So we know where Olivares stands when it comes to the homeless- "lock em up"! way to solve it, ey.

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Re: Homelessness after the fires
From: jesswolfe     
Posted: November 18, 2017, 12:59 pm
So, where would you like these homeless folks to go? Isn’t that what it comes down to? I heard a lot of stories of people who were about to move into a place and then the fires happened. They lost out to people who lost their homes in the fires. So where do you suggest they go if they aren’t allowed to camp anywhere?

the frustrating part of this conversation is the unspoken judgement about morality and worth. That people who are homeless are that way because they are in some way flawed, immoral or mentally ill. If they were just good people who made good decisions they wouldn’t be in this situation. It’s the other end of the prosperity gospel and the new age low vibration.

Let me put it this way. Trump is in office because people think that his wealth shows that he is morally and intellectually superior. We give much more to wealthy people because the assumption is that they are morally superior and will “do the right thing” with the money they get.

We we now have a much worse housing situation than we did before the fires. My hope initially was that the rebuilding would bring justice to how we take care of ALL of our residents. That’s not been the case. Kicking people out of their small camps isn’t a solution to any real problems, except that of perception.


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Re: Homelessness after the fires
From: beshiva     
Posted: November 18, 2017, 3:53 pm
I never implied that the needs of ALL are not relevant nor that only advocates of the homeless need to be heard.
It’s obvious to me that you didn’t take the time to listen to the SR City Council meeting this week because if you had, you would have listened to what Julie Combs had to say,
Or Scott Wagner, or Jim Dewitt, who by the way did have a solution. Or others so articulately shared.
Listening is a necessary skill for actually hearing both sides to an issue.
I guess my question might be then, “what do YOU Think is a another solution other than just throwing people out of the few possessions they have and evicting them to go WHERE”?
And if they wind up in jail, whom do you think pays for That?

It’s kinda a round-robin thingie. You can push people along, ignore them, detest them, and they are going to show up again, another time, at another place, on another corner.
I can’t believe, it’s the end of the year coming round, the cold, the wet, the Holidays, and we’re having this conversation.
We’re coming to a new low in our society- if that’s even possible.
I recently saw On FB, slap on the back for Jack Tibbetts concerning apprenticeships (maybe even some san Quentin inmates) for rebuilding Santa Rosa. Hey, way to go Jack, slap your back.
But, just this week, Jack Tibbetts didn’t even second Julie combs motion to look at the Homeless and find some solutions
I say, the SR City Council, except for Julie, are a bunch of hypocrites.
Because, even though YOU, and the council, and maybe others don’t want to admit, you would rather homeless people Disappear, just plain disappear-simple as that.

I know the answer for many might be, “I really don’t give a crap Where they go, just get out of MY face”. But, you and I -both know that’s not a solution.
People who own business’ know that ONE simple solution is provide a place for people to go to the Bathroom- not rocket science.
People who own business’, (an articulate business owner actually spoke at the Council meeting if you listened) for the most part do not want to see people on the streets crapping in their doorways, but they Know the City is ignoring them too. So, they go to the City and demand some solution, and the City, washes their hands and tells them, “we just don’t know what to do”- which is a bold-face lie.

Right now, as I write this, at least temporarily, there is a solution and there is a shelter in Roseland that can be used to house some of these folks, get them out of the rain, show some damn compassion.
Not a long term solution, but you should note that some of those people were taken in by Rembrance Village, The very people who themselves have so little, and STILL, they moved over and gave some other homeless people some space in their, already, crowded shelter.
Stop making excuses for not finding solutions.
There are still people who lost their homes, and those very people Are amongst the homeless. So, do they matter More to you?

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Re: Homelessness after the fires
From: Hot Compost      Posted: November 18, 2017, 4:21 pm
Tent cities Work.

They did during other times in people history.

It may be, the BEST we can do is to allow well-run tent cities for all the millions of homeless people in the US.

Why would we not do, the best that we can do ?

There is little resolve among the Shirley Zanes of the world to solve this "problem".

The homeless folks have a right to exist somewhere.

Where I live, I know where to find them - along a stretch of railroad track and blackberry bushes.

Once I was releasing a rat that had been caught in a trap, at about 5 AM in the morning. Some guy who was camping came out of the bushes and asked me not to release the rat there. So I walked it 50 yards away and let it go there.

Now I have an over-supply of cats and I am thinking about letting some of them go near the homeless people. I am pretty sure some of the kittens would be adopted.

It's not clear to the Board of Supes etc. that being allowed to camp and have a pet cat (or rat) is something very close to a Basic Human Right.

One of the things I observe from reading wildfire & local news is the number of large wildfires started by homeless people who just built a fire to keep warm. I believe one of the bigger recent California fires was started that way.

I'm not sure California will ever figure out as a State how to manage wildfires.

However, I would say government approved tent camps for homeless people is one of the primary features of any realistic California policy to deal with wildfire risk.

One of the reasons to allow homeless encampments is to allow them to build campfires somewhere where people can see the fires. It's possible that sounds crazy but, California's problem is not controlled burning. California's problem is uncontrolled burning.

When California allows government approved homeless camps, that element of wildfire risk is almost eliminated.
Re: Homelessness after the fires
From: wisewomn     
Posted: November 18, 2017, 4:33 pm
I do hope you weren't serious about turning your "over-supply of cats" loose. That would be utterly irresponsible on your part. What about the ones who aren't adopted by homeless people? What if the homeless people can't afford shots and medical care for the kittens? Take them to a shelter or a rescue organization if you just can't be bothered to find them good homes individually. Are you going to spay/neuter your cats to prevent this "over-supply" from happening again? For decency's sake, I hope so.

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Now I have an over-supply of cats and I am thinking about letting some of them go near the homeless people. I am pretty sure some of the kittens would be adopted....

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Re: Homelessness after the fires
From: MikeH      Posted: November 18, 2017, 9:01 pm
Here's the link for the Humane Society Low Cost Spay Neuter Clinic.

"Our clinics operate on Tuesdays for dogs, and Wednesdays for cats. To schedule an appointment for your four-legged loved one, contact us at 707-284-FIXX (3499)."

I think it is $35 to spay a kitten for low income persons. If it is just a stray you have maybe it can be done free and either put up for adoption or returned to you.

I took a friendly, sickly stray there. They fixed him, nursed him to health and put him for adoption and he got a home quick. I had said I'd take him back if not adopted because he was scrawny and not well looking. I also volunteer there and it is enjoyable. They can fix 20+ cats/kittens in a day, maybe even 30.

They work hard trying to cut down on the overpopulation so please help out. Especially don't give away kittens without getting them fixed first. Thank you.

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Re: Sonoma Co: OFF THE GRID?
From: Goat Rock Ukulele     
Posted: November 18, 2017, 4:34 pm
What you can get away with depends largely on your neighbors. If they like you or have their own zoning sins your probably going to be ok. If they don't like you and are going to drop a dime on you you will need to comply with a myriad of rules, too many to post here. If you want to know all the rules you need to get them from PMRD because they are ever changing and open to their interpretation. They aren't going to follow you out the door and follow you home. Getting information from anyone other than PMRD is pointless as they regulate and enforce.
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Re: Poem for the day from Larry Robinson
From: Larry Robinson  WaccoBB Poet Laureate  
Posted: November 19, 2017, 7:24 am
When Fire Swept West

When fire swept west in Annadel Park
there appeared no stopping it
from descending to devour our street and house
and when it halted, we wept
with gratitude then went silent
in the knowledge of what others were loosing.

Then came a long-planned
trip to the land of my wife's ancestors.
One evening in Kyoto in an
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anonymous 9th century poet, read

How clear and bright the moon this autumn night!
White clouds float in the crystal firmament.
I see clearly even the shadows of a flight of geese.

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How red and scorched the moon this autumn night.
Black smoke floats in the inky sky
blotting everything out -- even lost geese
and their invisible shadows.

In Shinto there are a thousand deities;
Here are two we must speak to now:

First, Rai-den, God of Destruction. He stands fiercely,
fire in his right hand, a sword in his left.
Enough. You ravage the world and now you've ravaged us.
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