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This is your Daily Digest for Saturday, February 18, 2017 for all your subscribed categories and threads.
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Barry's Picks Hole in the Wall - FAKE NEWS Tofu Larry
 How CVS Conned Sebastopol Bob2
 roads of importance,some are created more equal. spam1
Barry's Picks Cannabis Industry Taxation- Special Election March 7th Sieglinde
 CVS eats CRAP Sara S
 Where does Sebastopol bank? SonomaPatientsCoop
 Analy High School in the news again - this time with a federal investigation sealwatcher
 Julia Bystrova reports again live from Standing Rock tommy
WaccoBB Events, Classes and Meetings WaccoBB
Barry's Picks Music: Sonoma County Bluegrass & Folk Festival Webb Pierce
 Health: Spring Clean Your Environment Physically and Energetically jasmine
Barry's Picks Meeting: Sonoma County Cannabis Business Tax Community Workshop Barry
 Political: Feb. 24 - No DAPL Day of Action at SPO Partners! 350kitty
WaccoBB For Sale/Free/Wanted WaccoBB
 ForSale: Large bird cage for sale zenekar
WaccoBB Employment Offered & Wanted WaccoBB
 Employment Offered: Looking for someone to build a simple but adorable (wood) storage shed onsite. doghairnancy
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 Wanted: Conscientious Woman seeking 1+ bedroom house, excellent credit naturalsoul
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WaccoBB Political Action Alerts WaccoBB
 A Day without Women - March 8th (Women March) Barry
 Feb. 24 - No DAPL Day of Action at SPO Partners! 350kitty
WaccoBB National & International Politics WaccoBB
 Is Trump Admin High Drugs? Edward Mendoza
 What Trump is Doing is Not OK podfish
 Weird (for this area, anyway) reaction to Trump's news conference occihoff
 The Rise of the Weaponized AI Propaganda Machine Karl Frederick
WaccoBB WaccoReader WaccoBB
 the real long term issues podfish
 The corpse factory and the birth of "fake news" / (so-called) Hotspring 44
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 Poem for the day from Larry Robinson Larry Robinson
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Barry's Picks Hole in the Wall - FAKE NEWS
From: Tofu Larry      Posted: February 17, 2017, 10:49 am
FAKE NEWS
I just talked to Adam at Hole in the Wall to find out when they were closing. They have no plans to close at this time. These are rumors as are the apparent rumors that he is about to die of a heart attack. It has been a difficult winter financial and it is a fact that they lost $16,000 of food during the power outage and only $3,000 was coverd by insurance. They are struggling financially, but at this time they they are doing OK.

If you love Adam and Amy's wonderful and very reasonably priced restaurant support them with your patronage, so they will be around for years to come.
Tofu Larry

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Re: How CVS Conned Sebastopol
From: applefan     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 2:10 pm
I will never shop there and will encourage my friends and contacts to do the same.

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Re: How CVS Conned Sebastopol
From: Bob2      Posted: February 17, 2017, 6:33 pm
LOL this reminds me of a friend of mine who lives on Hurlbut. She protested the Longs/Lucky shopping center and was very active in trying to prevent the development and encroachment on her neighborhood. She vowed to never shop there and kept her word for a couple of years until she realized that it was costing her money and time to go elsewhere and she slowly started to go whenever it was convenient until the protests were all forgotten.
Tell me applefan which stores are you going to shop at instead?
Quote applefan wrote: View Post
I will never shop there and will encourage my friends and contacts to do the same.
Re: How CVS Conned Sebastopol
From: John Eder  Form Seb City Council Member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 8:24 pm
Mr. O'Foole,

Welcome to Wacco. I have compiled a list of alternatives to CVS for applefan and everyone else, shown below. These should more than adequately meet your needs as well, Bob.

Pharmacy alternatives to CVS in Sebastopol and the West County:

1.) Rite Aid Pharmacy 218 N. Main Street Sebastopol (707) 829-3007
Store Hours: 8 am-9 pm Pharmacy: 9 am-9 pm (9 am-6 pm Sat/10 am-6 pm Sun)

2.) Safeway Pharmacy 406 N. Main Street Sebastopol (707) 823-1937
Store Hours: 24/7 Pharmacy: 9 am-8 pm (9 am-5 pm Sat/Sun)

3.) Forestville Pharmacy 6652 Front Street (Highway 116) Forestville (707) 887-2268
Store and Pharmacy Hours: 9 am-6:30 pm (M-F) Store Hours: 9 am-5 pm (Sat/Sun) Pharmacy Hours: 10 am-5 pm (Sat) Closed Sun (They deliver to Sebastopol and the West County for a nominal charge.) Local business.

4.) Lark Drug Pharmacy 16251 Main Street Guerneville (707) 869-9055
Store and Pharmacy Hours: 9 am-6:30 pm (M-F) Store Hours: 10 am-6 pm (Sat) 11 am-3 pm (Sun) Pharmacy Hours: 10 am-4 pm (Sat) Closed Sun Local business.

5.) Safeway Pharmacy 16405 Highway 116 Guerneville (707) 869-0613
Store Hours: 24/7 Pharmacy: 9 am-7 pm (9 am-5 pm Sat/Sun)

If at all possible, GO LOCAL- keep your dollars in our communities.

Quote Bob2 wrote: View Post
LOL this reminds me of a friend of mine who lives on Hurlbut. She protested the Longs/Lucky shopping center and was very active in trying to prevent the development and encroachment on her neighborhood. She vowed to never shop there and kept her word for a couple of years until she realized that it was costing her money and time to go elsewhere and she slowly started to go whenever it was convenient until the protests were all forgotten.
Tell me applefan which stores are you going to shop at instead?

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Re: How CVS Conned Sebastopol
From: Bob2      Posted: February 17, 2017, 11:47 pm
Yeah, I figured you would recommend safeway. Here's an article so you know what you are supporting now John...
http://www.mercurynews.com/2014/03/0...-make-changes/
Just making sure you want to support the gun lobby, John!

Now, the grocer is in the hands of a savvy private equity group that is perhaps best known not for its supermarket holdings but for its stake in gun and car companies and military contractors. Cerberus owns the country’s largest gun company, Freedom Group, and in 2003 bought two of the largest rental car companies — Alamo and National. Then in 2007, it bought Chrysler, the car company that two years later required a taxpayer bailout.
Re: How CVS Conned Sebastopol
From: Bob2      Posted: February 17, 2017, 11:52 pm
And Rite-aid/Walgreen, are they any better than CVS?
http://nationalpainreport.com/story-...s-8823345.html
Walgreens' management noted that it also would seek to merge some Rite Aid locations into Walgreens stores and viewed Rite Aid stores as "generally inferior" to Walgreens stores, Mushkin wrote.

"Perhaps even more important is that after listening to management, we expect that as Rite Aid's leases come up for renewal, (Walgreens) would look to actively prune Rite Aid's store base," he said.
Re: roads of importance,some are created more equal.
From: csell      Posted: February 17, 2017, 2:26 pm
There have been numerous public meetings about the Green Valley Rd. flooding problem. The most recent one--last week--described an emergency "fixit" that was scheduled to start on Feb. 14th, but the permits were not issued in time. They are anticipating a 2-3 week delay for the permits, and then the dredging work will take a week, plus about 2 weeks of rebuilding the road (not just repaving, the whole thing is undermined). With any luck, the road will open around the beginning of April.

The big issue on this particular piece of road is that 11 agencies/parties have to give approval to a long-term solution, and you can guess how long that is going to take...they estimate that we're still years away.

Thank you to Gold Ridge RCD for staying on top of this issue. Brittany, John and Sierra in particular have been great at community outreach and keeping us informed.

--Carolyn

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Does any one know why ,green valley rd,is closed with big concrete blocks.....

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Re: roads of importance,some are created more equal.
From: spam1     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:09 pm
Quote csell wrote: View Post
There have been numerous public meetings about the Green Valley Rd. flooding problem. The most recent one--last week--described an emergency "fixit" that was scheduled to start on Feb. 14th, but the permits were not issued in time. They are anticipating a 2-3 week delay for the permits,
--Carolyn
Look to this to understand why Trump won.

Clearly an emergency situation. clearly bad for the fish to be washed into the vineyard with no exit. Linda Hopkins expected an emergency permit issued in a day. Instead a faceless (but not nameless: Mr. Weightman, aptly named for the lethargy in responding to an emergency situation) refused to act swiftly on something very clearly needed. If it were up to him, Oroville would be washed away by now (where was the permit to release the extra water or dump boulders on the overflow?).

No, it is mindless, soulless people in these government agencies that can't and don't care what happens as long as they can maintain their government job for life and pension after, and all they have to do is to follow a paper trail. And no way could they work an minute extra to get a permit approved faster. Surely, he could have raised this a supervisor, and on up, until it reached a level that could act responsibly and say something like "With administrative authority, acting in an emergency situation, I authorize work to be done, and please also file the proper papers so retroactive permits could be issued"; even if this authority had to be the governor. But no, we languish, the fish languish, and road washes further away. Higher costs, poorer outcomes, and you want all of our lives to be managed in this way?

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Re: Cannabis Industry Taxation- Special Election March 7th
From: Stuart     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 12:34 pm
What seems odd to me is why dispensaries, labs and transport are EXCLUDED from this tax?
This is just a tax on growers, from my understanding.
Please see my above thoughts and comments re my objections:
-$400,000. Yes, nearly a half a million dollars for a single issue ballot!
-No opposing views in the voter guide, which is paid for by taxpayers!
-No guarantee any of the money will be spent on the stated intentions
-Why just on growers and not the sellers, i.e. dispensaries, transport, labs?

Vote NO, and make sure you do vote. Pass it on, not too many folks aware of what is going on

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Barry's Picks Re: Cannabis Industry Taxation- Special Election March 7th
From: Evram      Posted: February 17, 2017, 2:54 pm
Quote Sieglinde wrote: View Post
.... Looks like there will be some sort of meeting about it on February 25th at the Glaser Center. http://sonomacounty.ca.gov/CAO/Cannabis
The meeting is next Tuesday, Feb 21st (not 25th!)

Here's the information from the county website: http://sonomacounty.ca.gov/CAO/Cannabis/


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Re: Cannabis Tax: Yes or No?
From: occihoff     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:45 pm
Also, it is quite easy to grow plenty of marijuana for yourself or a few others in just one or two pots or in the earth in a sunny spot indoors or outdoors. Once the fear of "getting caught" is alleviated, buying marijuana from a dealer will become less necessary as many people or their friends save seeds and grow a little for themselves. It's a pretty plant, too.

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Re: Cannabis Industry Taxation- Special Election March 7th
From: lgr      Posted: February 17, 2017, 8:59 pm
A chicken in every pot and pot in every patio!

Update of the 1928 Republican campaign slogan promising a new era of prosperity if Hoover were elected.

If not prosperity, then surely more tolerance and civility!

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Re: Cannabis Tax: Yes or No?
From: Sieglinde     
Posted: February 18, 2017, 5:45 am
It has a rather pungent smell. Is there a way to mitigate that for your neighbors sake?

Quote occihoff wrote: View Post
Also, it is quite easy to grow plenty of marijuana for yourself or a few others in just one or two pots or in the earth in a sunny spot indoors or outdoors. Once the fear of "getting caught" is alleviated, buying marijuana from a dealer will become less necessary as many people or their friends save seeds and grow a little for themselves. It's a pretty plant, too.
Re: CVS eats CRAP
From: occihoff     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 4:36 pm
However you may feel about the Sebastopol Safeway, the pharmacy there is very good--nice people and very competent.
Quote tezor wrote: View Post
For what it's worth, I switched to Forestville Pharmacy a couple of years ago, I really like the connection I've developed with the staff and ambiance of the store, I do not hesitate to recommend them, best wishes in your choice
Re: CVS eats CRAP
From: Sara S  Auntie Wacco  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:13 pm
Even though I live in Seb now, I'm staying with Lark Drugs in G'ville, where I've been getting my prescriptions for 30 years; they're great!

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Re: Where does Sebastopol bank?
From: beshiva     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:09 pm
Quote rachanna wrote: View Post
...I was told most of our [Santa Rosa] money is in Wells Fargo, the very bank Seattle made news by divesting 3 billion dollars from, because of it's connection to and support of DAPL...
Let's do it folks ....
This question of SR divesting came up long ago- during Occupy
SR City Council
Will not divest - quite disappointing, disturbing and disgusting.
Re: Where does Sebastopol bank?
From: rachanna     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:33 pm
Thanks for your feedback. Actually we have quite a different city council now than we did then. I think it's in all of our best interest to imagine them doing the right thing this time around.

Quote beshiva wrote: View Post
This question of SR divesting came up long ago- during Occupy
SR City Council
Will not divest - quite disappointing, disturbing and disgusting.
Re: Where does Sebastopol bank?
From: Barry  Founder & Moderator  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:41 pm
Quote rachanna wrote: View Post
Thanks for your feedback. Actually we have quite a different city council now than we did then. I think it's in all of our best interest to imagine them doing the right thing this time around.
Don't "imagine", demand it! Write letters, emails, and show up at meetings to demand it in the public comments portion at the start of the city council meetings.
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Re: Where does Sebastopol bank?
From: beshiva     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:42 pm
won't happen. Do you know SR City Council? Won't happen. sorry, just a reality....wish it were different.

Quote rachanna wrote: View Post
Thanks for your feedback. Actually we have quite a different city council now than we did then. I think it's in all of our best interest to imagine them doing the right thing this time around.
Re: Where does Sebastopol bank?
From: rachanna     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:58 pm
Quote Barry wrote: View Post
Don't "imagine", demand it! Write letters, emails, and show up at meetings to demand it in the public comments portion at the start of the city council meetings.
Absolutely!

I mentioned "imagine" as an alternative to not doing anything and being disgusted and disappointed. Also, imagining a positive outcome is a good way to begin taking action. IF we assume we will be disappointed, I think it increases the odds that we will be (just a personal opinion there)

As for action, I found out who Santa Rosa banks with by contacting my city council member, and welcome and encourage anybody to follow up on that, now that we know it is Wells Fargo. Additionally, I haven't heard back from the Sonoma County Supervisor I contacted to see who our county banks with. IF you have a connection with a county supervisor, finding out where the county banks could be very helpful.

Onward

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Re: Where does Sebastopol bank? Action 2/24, non-violence training 2/18
From: rachanna     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 6:14 pm
This is the first time in my 24 years in SR that we have a progressive majority and an awesome mayor.

I don't quite understand why you would choose to discourage effort in this direction. Even if a divestment movement isn't successful, there would be education happening in the process of trying, and many more citizens would learn that they can divest themselves individually. after the incredible effort the water protectors have exerted, I feel honored to do anything at all that they have requested of us that could potentially reduce the financing of DAPL .

BTW, I hope everyone knows about the action in Mill Valley on the 24th, aimed at drawing negative attention to a hedge fund connected to Oasis petroleum that plans to use DAPL to transport their oil. Details are on Sonoma County Solidarity with Standing Rock Face book page and in Wacco events section. Civil disobedience training tomorrow at the Peace and Justice Center. There are so many ways to try to bankrupt this nightmare project.

Let's spend more time taking action, and less time debating whether or not someone should take a particular action.
Quote beshiva wrote: View Post
won't happen. Do you know SR City Council? Won't happen. sorry, just a reality....wish it were different.

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Re: Where does Sebastopol bank? Action 2/24, non-violence training 2/18
From: beshiva     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 6:26 pm
i am not going to argue the merits of demanding the City Council divest. if people wish to push their efforts making the City Council realize how important it is to divest, go ahead. I know what will happen, that's all i'm saying. i'm not a predictor or anything, not a psychic. i watch behavior, i watch what people do...i've done this dance...i know what our elected officials will stick their necks out on and what they won't. i wholeheartedly support direct action too. i'll rest
Quote rachanna wrote: View Post
...I don't quite understand why you would choose to discourage effort in this direction. ...
Re: Where does Sebastopol bank?
From: SonomaPatientsCoop     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 7:16 pm
There is a lot to consider here beyond the "feel good" of "divesting".

How much money does a town actually put through the bank, and more importantly- their average daily balance. The # may seem like a lot to us- but a multi-national bank it's pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

What are the other options? Because most small local/regional banks, as well as CU's, do not offer the services a city needs to run smoothly. And for the big banks that are able to handle such accounts...well, I'd have trouble finding one that shouldn't be divested from for one reason or another.

What are the costs? Often we are talking hundreds or thousands (for a large city) of bank cards , checks, online accounts for everything from contractors to direct deposit to employees, to IRS and Health insurance payments that need to be changed.

There is some benefit- in terms of publicity, of major cities doing this. And I assume major cities have enough power to get a new major (and equally evil) bank to compete for their business. Offsetting at least some of the real costs. If Seattle has actually gone through with divestment (rather then just a vote) anyone know who they switched to?

Anyone able to find any info on past city divestments- and who they switched to?


Can anyone point me to a case in modern years where divestment has changed things? (Outside of federally/internationally mandated divestment coupled with seizure of funds).

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Analy High School in the news again - this time with a federal investigation
From: sealwatcher     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 6:22 pm
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigat...413896383.html

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Re: Julia Bystrova reports again live from Standing Rock
From: tommy  Supporting member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 7:44 pm
Big thanks to u Julia, for your reporting here, & at the Grange earlier. It's great to hear the inside details u provide.

As to the "morally corrupt system" ... sadly, it's true of any system that involves humans, tho obviously some r worse than others.

I am curious if u can provide any more details on the future role of the Tribal Council at the encampment ... & where u see the encampment going. Aren't there legal challenges to the pipeline, independent of the encampment?

Tomas

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Barry's Picks
Music: Sonoma County Bluegrass & Folk Festival
From: Webb Pierce  Supporting Member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 12:50 pm
Date & Time: Sat, March 11; 1-9pm
Location:  Sebastopol Community Center

Further info a www.socofoso.com or 707-479-5529 and hogiemoon@comcast.net.
Health: Spring Clean Your Environment Physically and Energetically
From: jasmine  Supporting Member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 12:50 pm
Date & Time: Saturday, March 18, 4pm-9pm
Location:  Songbird Community Healing Ctr 8297 Old Redwood Hwy Cotat
Do you dread cleaning, get frustrated by the toxins in cleaning products, or want to learn how to clean your home or office beyond the physical level?

Have fun hanging out and learning about healthy cleaning as we do a deep cleaning of the Songbird physical and energetic space.

Physical Cleaning, 4pm-6pm: Come clean in a toxin free environment with essential oils, vinegar, and other products. We will have various household cleaners, but feel free to bring anything you would like to share. This is your opportunity to explore without spending any money. Come discover safe products that support instead of disrupting your health.

Potluck and Barbeque break (bring your own bbq item), 6pm-7pm

Energetic Cleaning with Francis Rico, 7pm-9pm. Discover shamanic wisdom techniques to clean, clear, untangle, bless and celebrate the places we live and work. Explore and try out tools like sage, palo santo, bells, candles, mirrors, images and crystals to restore healthy flow – realigning, consecrating and celebrating our homes and businesses.

Saturday, March 18, 4pm-9pm (drop in anytime until 7pm)
suggested donation $10-$20/No RSVP Necessary
Songbird Community Healing Center
8297 Old Redwood Hwy
Cotati, CA 94931
www.songbirdcenter.org
info@songbirdcenter.org
707-795-2398

Francis Rico apprenticed with his Spanish grandfather - a Maketo Shaman. From this early start, his life has followed the pathways of indigenous shamanic wisdom traditions around the world. Francis is the author of the classic A Shaman’s Guide to Deep Beauty and co-author of Dreaming Heaven. www.shamanzone.com


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Barry's Picks
Meeting: Sonoma County Cannabis Business Tax Community Workshop
From: Barry  Founder & Moderator  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 3:21 pm
Date & Time: Tuesday, Feb 21, 2017; 6-8pm
Location:  Gla
The meeting is next Tuesday, Feb 21st (not 25th!)

Here's the information from the county website: http://sonomacounty.ca.gov/CAO/Cannabis/

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Political: CARPOOL INFO! - Feb. 24 - No DAPL Day of Action at SPO Partners!
From: 350kitty     
Posted: February 18, 2017, 12:08 am
Date & Time: Friday, February 24 from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM
Location:  SPO Partners, 591 Redwood Highway Frontage Rd, Mill Valley
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Join us at the protest!


See Carpool Info in our new Standing Rock Organizing forum!


http://www.waccobb.net/forums/showth...828#post210828

-- Sonoma Solidarity with Standing Rock

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ForSale: Large bird cage for sale
From: zenekar     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 3:11 pm
  $100
Location:  Santa Rosa
5 ft high, in brand new condition. Purchased for a parrot but couldn't keep the parrot. See details on photo of original box. Please call, 707-292-4328
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Employment Offered: Looking for someone to build a simple but adorable (wood) storage shed onsite.
From: doghairnancy      Posted: February 17, 2017, 2:02 pm
Location:  Sebastopol
Existing shed (12x12) is ready to go and prefab sheds are so ugly. Need something more watertight and charming. Would love to talk to you if you have carpentry skills and interest in making something unique.
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Wanted: Website Developer+ Seeking Office Space
From: WestCountyMedia     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 12:21 pm
  Trade
Location:  West County
Seasoned, professional WordPress website development team forming a new, local start-up agency is actively seeking strategic service exchange opportunities.

Some ideal symbiotic trade relationships would include:

- Private or Shared Office Space
- Restaurant Credits / Discounts
- Graphic Design Services
- Product Photography Services
- Videography / Post-Production Editing
- Therapeutic Massage / Bodywork
- Vacation Rentals / Lodging

What you'll get in exchange is Custom WordPress Website Development & Hosting, plus ongoing
one-on-one WordPress Training & Support, as well as the following available professional services:

Ad Agency Services
-- Campaign Strategy & Delivery

Creative Content Development
-- Digital Media Campaigns
-- Print Media Campaigns
-- Radio Campaigns
-- TV / Video / Audio Production

Brand / Reputation Management
-- Proactive & Reactive Management

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-- Conceptual Consulting
-- Design & Development
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-- Platform / Maintenance / Security

So if you think we'd make great trade partners, or even if you just need a little help with your website,
get in touch with us. We're optimistic, realistic and ready to help you with your project.

Thanks for your consideration, feel free to reply via CL email response,
or you can find our contact information at our website.

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Thanks WaccoBB! :)
Wanted: Conscientious Woman seeking 1+ bedroom house, excellent credit
From: naturalsoul     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 1:52 pm
  $2300+
Location:  sebastopol
Hello~ I am a mature, creative, friendly, respectful, healthy living woman looking for a 1 plus bedroom home in the Sebastopol /Santa Rosa area.
I need a place that has an additional large room without carpet where I can set up a sewing space.
Room for an organic veggie garden is also important to me.
I don’t smoke or have pets, and have excellent credit and references.
I am a homeowner myself, and will treat your home gently as if it were my own.
Willing to pay up to $2300 a month, or if it's a larger home with additional space for a housemate, up to $2800.
Please feel free to email or call/text 541-344-9073 Thank you
Wanted: Massage Space
From: omflower  Supporting Member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 7:57 pm
Location:  Sebastopol
Hi there. I am seeking a shared massage space to rent near downtown Sebastopol.
Thanks. Namaste.
WaccoBB WaccoBB Political Action Alerts
A Day without Women - March 8th (Women March)
From: Barry  Founder & Moderator  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 3:27 pm

On March 8th, International Women’s Day, women and our allies will act together creatively to withdraw from the corporations that harm us and find ways to support the businesses, organizations and communities that sustain us. As we prepare for A Day Without A Woman, we ask:


  1. Do businesses support our communities, or do they drain our communities?
  2. Do they strive for gender equity or do they support the policies and leaders that perpetuate oppression?
  3. Do they align with a sustainable environment or do they profit off destruction and steal the futures of our children?
We unite with the International Women’s Strike on March 8th and we observe Strike4Democracy’s Day of Planning on Friday, February 17th as we gather our friends, families, neighbors and coworkers and make plans to stand up for economic justice, affirmatively building community, and supporting local, women- and minority-owned businesses. In the weeks leading up to March 8th, we will continue to discuss the variety of ways that all people can join the fight for economic justice.

Recognizing the multiple, intersecting identities of women, we support and admire these efforts:
#DIVESTDAPL

#GRABYOURWALLET

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Feb. 24 - No DAPL Day of Action at SPO Partners!
From: 350kitty     
Posted: February 18, 2017, 12:54 am

Join Sonoma County - Solidarity with Standing Rock
at a mass action at SPO Partners in Mill Valley!

Friday, February 24 from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM


We picked SPO Partners as our target because they are ​local, and ​the largest investor in Oasis Petroleum, one of nine companies supplying oil to the Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL). As Energy Transfer Partners, the builder of the DAPL, and law enforcement and militia are waging war on peaceful Standing Rock protesters, We see SPO Partners as complicit in genocide. NO DAPL!

See info:

http://www.waccobb.net/forums/showth...844#post210844
WaccoBB WaccoBB National & International Politics
Is Trump Admin High Drugs?
From: Edward Mendoza     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 9:18 am
-
Is The Trump White House High?
The Resistance with Keith Olbermann
GQ Magazine, Feb 16, 2017



This is madness that we’re witnessing here
Re: What Trump is Doing is Not OK
From: arthunter     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 11:28 am
Trump's press conference on the subject ... It's one hour and twenty minutes long

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FRUM-AK9k&sns=fb

But, to be honest, I'm more concerned about our democracy and the sentiments expressed in these two articles .
I'm hoping like hell that they are wrong

Is the NSA the real president of the United States?

CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

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Re: What Trump is Doing is Not OK
From: phredo     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 11:56 am
I'm sorry, Auntie Wacco, but I don't see a contradiction between what I wrote and the article you quoted. Was it that Flynn may have lied (which he denies, and the article says is unprovable) to the FBI as well as Pence? Seems like a quibble.
Re: What Trump is Doing is Not OK
From: phredo     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 12:07 pm
I liked the quote from Schumer in ArtHunter's second article so much that I'm going to reprint it below:
New Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is "being really dumb" by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russia's cyber activities.

"Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.
"So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this."

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Re: What Trump is Doing is Not OK
From: podfish  Supporting Member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 9:26 pm
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...(1) Russia is being portrayed as a sinister opponent to the US,.... (1) Russia hasn't done anything to the US to deserve our enmity except not rolling over and putting its paws up for western imperialism to control and exploit.....
If there's more to the story than what I've said, please enlighten me. I never thought I'd see so many so-called leftists and liberals engage in anti-Russian bashing and falling in love with the CIA.
I agree that it's pretty weird for the intelligence and military institutions to be the best hope for the left regarding preservation of their goals. But weird doesn't mean impossible.

and hell yes Russia deserves enmity. What does "to us" have to do with anything? Ukraine, Crimea, and the lack of restraint in Syria are kind of bad acts. Even if the pro-west, anti-russia press is warping the coverage, I'm pretty sure there's some pretty inhumane behavior. The fleeing refugees hint at that. And yeah, even Trump pointed out that the US has done some bad things too. That's a different issue and doesn't excuse Russian behavior. I don't have any reason to find it implausible that they're messing with US politics and our economy. And yeah, we did that first to lots of people. But if your friends think it's ok to jump off the roof, are you going to too?? (that's the closest to apropos here that I can remember my mother saying. The other stuff was more like "eat your peas")

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Re: What Trump is Doing is Not OK
From: phredo     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 10:32 pm
Umm, I disagree that Russia has acted badly in Ukraine, Crimea, or Syria. As far as Ukraine and Crimea go, there are many people much more expert than I who feel this way. Perhaps Stephen Cohen, a Russia scholar, would be someone you could read on the subject. But in short: the US set up a coup in Ukraine to take it out of the Russian orbit, with the especial prize of Crimea, Russia's only warm water naval base. The Russian speaking residents of western Ukraine and Crimea didn't wish to go along with the coup, and Russia supported them, taking back Crimea. A referendum later showed something like 97% of the Crimeans agreed.

In Syria, Russia is supporting the government, and is probably the only reason why that government has not fallen to ISIS, since the US seemed more to be supporting ISIS than fighting it. Most Syrians support their government because it is secular and supports a multi religious society, which the "rebels" certainly do not. The Russians also have a strong interest in seeing a non-fanatic ruled Syria, since their country is nearby and has a large Muslim population. Historically, many of the groups fighting against the Syrian government have fought against Russia, and with a certain amount of support from the US. Obviously, there's a lot we could discuss about Ukraine and Syria, and I'm trying to give a short reply, but I'd be glad to discuss it more, if you like.

It's not especially weird that you might have positive feelings towards the CIA and its ilk, given that they have spent decades perfecting their penetration of our society. I didn't vote for Trump, but one of the things that give me hope about his having won are that he might actually be able to successfully fight the CIA, something that I don't believe Stein (who I voted for) or Sanders (who I would have liked to vote for) would have at all be able to do. Kennedy was the last President to oppose the CIA and look where that got him.

And your mother was right: you should eat your peas. And I should learn to "stand up straight."

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...and hell yes Russia deserves enmity. ...
Re: What Trump is Doing is Not OK
From: podfish  Supporting Member  
Posted: February 18, 2017, 7:45 am
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Umm, I disagree that Russia has acted badly in Ukraine, Crimea, or Syria. ...
I'm familiar with that reading of the Ukraine/Russian relationship but I don't think it's likely to be anything more than a defensible point of view, any more than the assertion that lowering taxes on the rich will boost the economy. In both cases it seems a very self serving argument. The few Ukrainians I've met don't seem to be so positive about Russian influence. Sure the US government prefers this bunch. I'd be really surprised if they hadn't put a thumb on the scale there. And I really don't buy the narrative that Assad is worth protecting especially with the inhumane tactics they seem to be using. Sure there's a parallel to Hussein but there's a big difference between initiating an invasion and supporting a revolution. Yeah I know the history of the CIA in that regard.

Also I think people are too quick to dismiss other points of view as shaped by some kind of marketing or propaganda. It fails to give credit to those who see the same facts and reach different conclusions based on a different perspective. I tend to disbelieve in what sounds to me to be over simplified views of a complex organization and its actions. They aren't bond villians

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Re: Weird (for this area, anyway) reaction to Trump's news conference
From: occihoff     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 5:22 pm
And I might add that the Trumpster is actually ridiculous, entertaining, goofy, and human--especially compared to the carefully scripted, predictable stiffs he ran against in the primary. I can hardly wait to hear the next absurd drivel that comes out of his mouth, as his dark and amateurish political edifice continues to crumble day after day! Sadly, of course, a lot of people are going to be hurt as the Trumpster Dumpster rolls along.

We happen to be alive at a most unique and remarkable time in the course of American history. Imagine how all this is going to look to students in their history classes and textbooks100 or 200 years from now--providing, of course, that humans have not managed to destroy the planet by then!

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I happened to be driving to Novato just as his news conference came on, so I heard most of it. ...

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Re: The Rise of the Weaponized AI Propaganda Machine
From: Karl Frederick     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 11:04 pm
That was the second article I'd seen in the past week on the same subject. It isn't about the broad tech world, and it's not only or even primarily about the US presidential election. It's about the way a developing technology can be used to influence populations. I don't see anything in your comment which substantively addresses the facts as presented.
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I'm sorry but I don't buy it. ...
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the real long term issues
From: podfish  Supporting Member  
Posted: February 17, 2017, 11:14 am
Trump's just a side effect of forces that have been developing. One's climate change - which is a big part of the world's political instability. And this:
Back in 1930, Keynes predicted that the working week would be drastically cut, to perhaps 15 hours a week, with people choosing to have far more leisure as their material needs were satisfied. His prediction is slowly becoming true, but not because of satisfied material needs, but more due to automation and eventually AI and robots.
This guy's wrong on his solutions, but it's interesting and the comments are instructive too.
The corpse factory and the birth of "fake news" / (so-called)
From: Hotspring 44     
Posted: February 17, 2017, 12:58 pm
The corpse factory and the birth of fake news

BBC article: 17 February 2017

In part, the article says:
Think fake news is a new phenomenon? Think again. Dr David Clarke from Sheffield Hallam University looks at a 100-year-old story that fooled the world.

Fake news, false stories that masquerade as real news are not new.


In the spring of 1917 some of Britain's most influential newspapers published a gruesome story that has been called "the master hoax" - and I think we finally have proof about where it came from.

Britain was at the time trying to bring China into the war on the Allied side.
In February a story appeared in the English-language North China Daily News that claimed the Kaiser's forces were "extracting glycerine out of dead soldiers"....


The complete article is @: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38995205
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Re: Poem for the day from Larry Robinson
From: Larry Robinson  WaccoBB Poet Laureate  
Posted: February 18, 2017, 5:52 am
Ask Much, The Voice Suggested

Ask much, the voice suggested, and I startled.
Feeling my body like the trembling body of a horse
tied to its tree while the strange noise
passes over its ears.
I who in extremity had always wanted less,
even of eating, of sleeping.
Agile, the voice did not speak again, but waited.
"Want more" --
a cure for longing I had not thought of.
But that is how it is with wells.
Whatever is taken refills to the steady level.
The voice agreed, though softly, to quiet the feet of the horse:
a cup taken out, a cup reappears; a bucketful taken, a bucket.

- Jane Hirshfield