Re: Human Rights Watch - A Continuing Thread - Weapons Testing on Civilians

[Sempervirens]

I have to say, I heard Amy talk at the Oregon Country Faire one year. She told us that she, and others on NPR are muzzled now and can only give a VERY different version of what the Europeans are given in the way of news.

Amy Goodman on NPR? Really? Since when?

NPR muzzled? Really? Since when? Since NPR started soliciting and getting huge corporate donations that has since disintegrated any pretenses of objectivity or comprehensive reporting?

Please explain!

[arthunter]

Before I present evidence on this important topic I want to publicly state the following ... I am not anti-government, I am anti corrupt government ... As I've stated previously, in 2010 I became the victim of an unconstitutional investigation after I exposed criminals in my neighborhood ... I was followed around town by police and citizen informants ... I do not blame these members of our community because I now know that they were acting on orders from above, but I do not take this lightly ... this is happening to thousands of innocent citizens and I want to know why ... I want compensation for this abuse and any retaliation for this sharing of truth will be documented and reported to those looking into these matters ...

Yesterday, I found this video which states the following "An informant can earn $100,000 or more for every terrorism case that they bring to the FBI" ... bingo ... I've also been told that it takes just two citizen informants filing such claims to initiate an investigation ( which includes Cointelpro type retaliation ) ... I will try to verify this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGG97dDfZ7E&app=desktop

This reporting of so called terrorists involves Fusion Centers so let's look at them and let's also look at the description of "terrorists" according to our government ...

This first report is from Tom Hayden at the Peace and Justice Resource Center ... it's entitled "FBI Expands Terrorism Definition to Non-violent Civil Disobedience" ... I have read before that "animal activists" are at the top of the "watch list" ... well OK then, I guess that I'm guilty of that for trying to save the strays hanging on for dear life in the wilds of Sonoma County ... my neighbor, a huge animal activist, has also been targeted ... go figure ...

https://tomhayden.com/home/fbi-expan...l-disobed.html

This second report is from Fox News ... here's a bit of the report ...

"We were so astounded by it we couldn't believe it was real," Starrett told FOXNews.com. "It's painting such a large number of people with a broad brush in a dangerous light."
Michael German, national security policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the report "crosses the line" and shows a disregard for civil liberties.
"It seems to implicate people who are engaging in First Amendment protected activities and suggest that something as innocuous as supporting a political candidate for office would mean that you're harboring some ill-intent," German told FOXNews.com. "It's completely inappropriate."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...litia-members/

So what about these fusion centers that we're spending billions on? ... here's a report from wired.com about them producing "a load of crap"... a quote from the article ...

"As civil libertarian groups have long warned those that do are hives of incompetence, bureaucracy, mission creep and possible civil-liberties abuses. Despite instituting privacy protections in 2009, the Senate report discloses, “DHS continued to store troubling intelligence reports from fusion centers on U.S. persons, possibly in violation of the Privacy Act.”

https://www.wired.com/2012/10/fusion-centers/

So why are we spending loads of money to support anti-terrorism activities which do not work? ... and why are innocent citizens enduring unprecedented attacks without any due process? ... as usual, follow the money ...

from the article entitled "5 Companies that Make Money by Keeping Americans Terrified of Terror Attacks"

"Post-9/11 America has witnessed a boom in private firms dedicated to the hyped-up threat of terrorism. The drive to privatize America's national security apparatus accelerated in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks, and it’s gotten to the point where 70 percent of the national intelligence budget is now spent on private contractors, as author Tim Shorrock reported. The private intelligence contractors have profited to the tune of at least $6 billion a year. In 2010, the Washington Post revealed that there are 1,931 private firms across the country dedicated to fighting terrorism."

https://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/5-companies-make-money-keeping-americans-terrified-terror-attacks#

and this from the Guardian ...

"James Woolsey, former CIA boss and influential adviser to President George Bush, is a director of a US firm aiming to make millions of dollars from the 'war on terror', The Observer can reveal.

Woolsey, one of the most high-profile hawks in the war against Iraq and a key member of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, is a director of the Washington-based private equity firm Paladin Capital. The company was set up three months after the terrorist attacks on New York and sees the events and aftermath of September 11 as a business opportunity which 'offer[s] substantial promise for homeland security investment'."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...P=share_btn_fb


Knowing what this BS has cost myself and others makes me want to vomit ...

[arthunter]

This just in ... if you doubt that American citizens are being subjected to brutal unconstitutional practices then you should watch this ... you can check the facts on the Guardian ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsbm...&feature=share

Before I present evidence on this important topic I want to publicly state the following ... I am not anti-government, I am anti corrupt government ...

[arthunter]

Constitutional lawyer John Whitehead hits the nail on the head, once again, in this excellent commentary ... with violent crime statistics actually decreasing in this country, one has to wonder about all of this, and if you're not wondering about all of this then you're asleep at the wheel and I pray for your children who are looking at a very restrictive future ... our great country has been a model for personal freedoms, including the freedom of expression ... it was a country of hard working individuals who felt protected in their lives by a strong constitution ... I and others are watching that slip away ...

https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...war_on_domesti

[Peacemaker]

American Citizens in Chicago, to be precise. Definitely not a good thing. Interview about this on PBS earlier today.

This just in ... if you doubt that American citizens are being subjected to brutal unconstitutional practices then you should watch this ... you can check the facts on the Guardian ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsbm...&feature=share

[arthunter]

I'm sorry, but you're speaking to someone who has been stripped of her constitutional rights in the County of Sonoma, and I can bring you at least five other residents who could prove the same thing ... as I've said, I don't blame the police or anyone else who got pulled into this protocol ... this was corruption and retaliation and I've lost more then you can imagine ... information is compartmentalized and slander is alive and well ...

American Citizens in Chicago, to be precise. Definitely not a good thing. Interview about this on PBS earlier today.

[arthunter]

from our own Peter Phillips at Sonoma State ... I wrote to Peter several years ago after reading an expose which he published about the protocol which I was being subjected to ... he gave me good advice ...

"The 99 percent of us without wealth and private police power face the looming threat of overt repression and complete loss of human rights and legal protections. We see signs of this daily with police killings (now close to a hundred per month in the US), warrantless electronic spying, mass incarceration, random traffic checkpoints, airport security/no-fly lists, and Homeland Security compilations of databases on suspected resisters.

Each time we look past the crimes of the empire we lose a portion of our integrity of self. Ignoring repression becomes part of continuing compromise in our daily lives leading to a moral malaise and increased feelings of helplessness. We must stand up and demand democratic transparency and the international enforcement of human rights. Unless we collectively challenge the empire, we face a world that is evolving into a new dark age of neo-feudal totalitarianism unlike any previously known."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us...ss-tcc/5483390

[arthunter]

A while ago, I posted the story of Richard Cain ... this morning I woke up to an update concerning this case ... this is real folks ... this is story about an innocent man who has experienced non consensual experimentation in California ... this experimentation also involved his two little boys ...

"According to court documents, Richard Cain and his two kids allegedly had been implanted at St. John’s Regional Medical Center and St. John’s Pleasant Valley Hospital in 2008 in a non-consensual human health-related research program."

https://www.disclose.tv/news/Secretl...ntified/113708

This is his story ... I think that it's important to listen to it ... I can relate to a lot of it ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLiLMjwZb78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qct3n1do0s

and here's his lawsuit documentation ....

https://www.stopthecrime.net/CAIN%20...%20ET%20AL.pdf

Obviously, I'm looking for more information about the lawsuit ...

[arthunter]

Another woman who is extremely concerned about reports of non-consensual experimentation being carried out on innocent citizens ... in a previous post she declared that she became a victim of this "experimentation" after exposing it publicly ... please click on all of the links to get the full story ...

Btw, it is NOT legal to "Classify" something that is illegal such as non-consensual experimentation ....


https://everydayconcerned.net/human-rights/foia-request-report-cia-unable-to-confirm-informed-consent-in-any-open-human-subject-programs-and-research-using-directed-energy-neuroweapons/

[arthunter]

James Walbert is another "targeted individual" who claimed to be illegally chipped and tortured ... he took his case to court and WON ..... here is his testimony to Lawless America ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xlkLsvzimI

and here is one of the reports about his case ...

https://www.examiner.com/article/sec...-james-walbert

[arthunter]

This is another excellent interview with James Walbert ... ignore the title, its misleading ... the other people speaking in this interview are Jesse Beltran, an ex-fireman in Sacramento who runs an organization there called ICAACT, the International Center Against the Abuse of Covert Technology, Lars Drudgaard, the European director of ICAACT, and Barrie Trower, an ex microwave weapons expert for the Royal Navy in England ... a credible bunch of people ...

https://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/...barrie-trower/

[arthunter]

Please watch this folks ... it's testimony to the Shasta Board of Supervisors ... they voted to take action ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo

[arthunter]

When I had dinner with Ben Colodzin, a concerned Marin County psychologist, he mentioned two scientific capabilities which piqued my interest ... regarding non consensual electronic weapon experimentation on innocent civilians, he talked about tests to determine not only implants in the body but also tests to determine nanotech in the body ... I'm not a scientist so I didn't realize the implications of this testing ... he also mentioned SCADA ... again, I drew a blank ....

Here's a letter explaining this from Dr. Colodzin ...

https://humandignitycouncil.wordpres...colodzin-ph-d/

If you have been following this story then you've probably noticed that in the cases of Richard Cain and James Walbert ( who were implanted without their knowledge ) expert court testimony and documentation was provided by Melinda Kidder of Columbia Investigations, a private investigation company, and Dr. Hildegard Staninger.... they are the two brave women who are providing this testing ... here is a description of radio frequency scanning ( to locate frequency emitting implants in the body ) provided by Columbia Investigations ...

https://columbiainvestigations.com/H-SCADA_Scans.html

What I didn't realize is that these scans are so sensitive that they can determine the exact frequencies hitting the body of a targeted individual and then these frequencies can be traced to their source! ... folks, we're getting near to proving this disgusting and painful non consensual experimentation ... have a look ...

https://stopthecrime.net/scada%20report%20--2f.pdf

The stories reported from non consensual lab rats around the world are identical. First they are put on terrorist watch lists or criminal watch lists ... then they are attacked in ridiculous ways which are very difficult to believe ... when they report these attacks they are discredited by law enforcement and psychologists as delusional ... this allows the perpetrators of these crimes to then do whatever they want to these people, as no one will believe them or come to their aid.... it's the most barbaric practice imaginable ... and who does it benefit?

It benefits the psychologists, the private military contractors, research facilities and ultimately arms dealers ... they are literally stealing these innocent lives for their own financial gain ...

When we realize that we've become an oligarchy do we then realize the full implications of that reality? ... do we realize that not only is our government compromised by big money but also our military? ...

[arthunter]

We like to think so, but is this actually true? ....

Commentary by constitutional lawyer John Whitehead ....

https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...s_here_to_stay

[arthunter]

Two views that are worth considering ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GAbVhjTSw

https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...arned_too_late

[snake]

While it is important to try and balance human rights/Liberties with National security, it is also imperative to balance compassion with common sense, and decency toward our rights as CITIZENS and LEGAL residents of the U.S.

I find it quite disturbing, to see the extremes the left (and org. like Catholic Charities) is willing to go to, to risk our security.

The willingness to keep thinking it's OK.to allow Illegals to continue coming into our country, while many commit horrible crimes, DUI's etc., use our social welfare programs, while Veterans and others are homeless, and in need, is very disturbing,. Now, ISIL Jihadists WILL infiltrate through the refugee stream. This is insane to allow in our country, unless you think it's fine to destabilize communities.

Obama, and Jerry Brown, are acting like this is not much concern.
That's because a member of tbeir family hasn't been harmed. As some people state, this is 'suicidal.'

Two views that are worth considering ....

[arthunter]

You are right to be concerned ... many "refugees" who have been welcomed into Europe have caused a great deal of trouble, and it has been noted that they are mostly young men instead of families with women and children ...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you allow the one percent to influence politics ( which then trickles down to police and military ) you open the door to all kinds of atrocities, because the one percent is not concerned with human rights but only profits and power as evidenced by the "trade agreements" now on the table...these profits often come from war and benefit only those in the industrial military complex ...

When people warn of global governance do you imagine that it will be fair and just and a benefit to the people? ... how would those in power achieve this? ... perhaps by destabilizing all nations? ... perhaps by dividing us by sex, race, income and religion so that we're all fighting each other instead of them? ... perhaps by causing fear and paranoia so that we suspect our neighbors and allow unconstitutional laws to be passed?

Time to look at the big picture ...

While it is important to try and balance human rights/Liberties with National security, it is also imperative to balance compassion with common sense...

[snake]

I agree, it's a tough problem. The only main solution I can see is for more citizens to care, and vote. So many don't even bother. Apathy will lead us nowhere, and will lead to it getting worse.

When people warn of global governance do you imagine that it will be fair and just and a benefit to the people? ...

[podfish]

... many "refugees" who have been welcomed into Europe have caused a great deal of trouble...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you allow the one percent to influence politics ( which then trickles down to police and military ) you open the door to all kinds of atrocities, because the one percent is not concerned with human rights[/QUOTE]I think you're talking about a different 1% - the mostly young men, who make up a large percentage of the refugees, aren't all "causing (a) great deal of trouble". It's probably well under 1% of the refugees who are trying to influence politics in a violent way. And it's symmetrical, 'cuz the 1% you do refer to don't all get to set the global agenda; it's a smaller percentage of them too.

And what's the problem with making trouble? A big part of the push for equality is to have women and minorities stand up and be willing to "make trouble". I forget the cliche but there's one about history never being made by those afraid to make trouble.

Fear of terrorists is leading people to take incredibly selfish and inhumane positions. Those who cry out for 'us' to unite better be inclusive about who 'us' is. It can't be an 'us' that excludes the mostly young men of the world. Protecting one's own position at the expense of other, weaker individuals is exactly the role you often decry.

[arthunter]

I would be the first to suggest that we help any refugees from any country, after all, we're partially responsible for bombing their countries ...

But you don't understand what I mean by "making trouble" ... these young men are not acting like grateful refugees, they're acting like hardened criminals ... I have to wonder why ... it's rather strange behavior in the circumstances and many wonder if it's engineered to convince the world that Muslims are terrorists and that we should continue our military aggression there .... btw, weapon based stocks are soaring on Wall St. after the Paris attacks ... certain people are getting rich because of all of this ....

Make no mistake, this is the one percent that I'm talking about, or the .1 percent, or the .01 percent ... doesn't matter ...

https://www.collective-evolution.com...rld-order-nwo/

Meantime, this is what's happening in Europe after they opened their borders to refugees, so sad for the peaceful refugees needing and deserving help ... a disgusting situation ...

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6...ant-crime-wave

https://www.breitbart.com/london/201...inister-warns/

I have a great idea ... why don't we just stop funding ISIS and bombing Middle Eastern countries so that they can all return home?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/americ...-group/5402881

I think you're talking about a different 1% - the mostly young men...

[arthunter]

more chaos from Europe ... who do you blame?

https://conservativetribune.com/vide...slim-refugees/

[Peacemaker]

https://www.timemaps.com/history/middle-east-1914a

This might be a good place to start.

more chaos from Europe ... who do you blame?...

[arthunter]

thank you, but when I posed my question I was referring to the demographics of the immigrants, described by Trump in this way ...

“I’ve been watching this migration, and I’ve seen the people. I mean, these are men. They are mostly men, and they are strong men … they look like prime-time soldiers."

We can argue about who screwed up the Middle East forever, but who sent these criminals into Europe? and where are the women and children?

Read more: https://conservativetribune.com/vide...#ixzz3rzofBoPT

https://www.timemaps.com/history/middle-east-1914a ...

[snake]

https://www.timemaps.com/history/middle-east-1914a...

Right. Let's not blame these evil, murderous, fanatic thugs (Islamists), that promote Jihad in the name of Allah, pray before raping women, chop people's heads off and put them on posts, hate and slaughter Jews, Christians, Westerners and Muslims that don't think like they do, throw gay people off of towers, and train children to behead people.

We certainly wouldn't want to do THAT now would we.

Since the Jews have suffered horrendously during progroms, the Holocaust, throughout Eastern Europe, and the Middle East, maybe they should just start gassing, and beheading their past oppressors heirs, and blame it on history.

Heck, those South Africans might as well go at it too...and the Armenians, American Indians, Blacks, etc., etc...A lot of us might as well get turned into lamp shades, or chained up and thrown off the side of ships.

Ah, holding those hateful grudges for centuries and decades with murderous glee, is oh, so healing.

[podfish]

Right. Let's not blame these ...(Islamists)... ... blame it on history... (other groups exized too)...
Ah, holding those hateful grudges for centuries and decades with murderous glee, is oh, so healing.

and the relentless urge to blame is really helpful too. To be dichotomatic about it, there are two reasons to ask the question 'why'. One's to find those to blame. Because of course you can't start crusades without a target (oh, wait, understanding the role of crusades here is actually relevant. Sorry for introducing that idea...). The other reason is to better deal with the situation. But fulminating and grandstanding and assigning blame and/or virtue and lashing out at easy targets and preferring simple fast-to-implement actions is way better than acknowledging the context and causes and rational solutions and mitigating actions. History tells us so! There's lots of examples where people acted out of passion and outrage, and things got better fast. I can't remember any off the top of my head, but it's gotta be true because it seems so right.

Unfortunately, we usually ignore these options: understanding the historical context, understanding proportionate risks (you're more likely to die in a car crash fleeing a terrorist than you are to be killed by a terrorist, to coin a new cliche), acting out of compassion for others instead of out of fear, respecting others and their different goals rather than dismissing their humanity, and focusing on your own role rather than getting wrapped up in the blameworthiness of others. I guess they seem weak, and I know that for most people they're emotionally unsatisfying. Which trumps being intellectually honest any time.

[arthunter]

Throughout history all races and religions have been persecuted at one time or another ... there have been racial wars, religious wars, and wars to steal land and resources ... right now in America lots of people are disappearing from our national parks ... they are all of German descent ( wtf? ) ... hate and retaliation are easy, forgiveness is not ...

But when you look at these wars you'll find that there was always someone who benefited from this "divide and conquer" strategy ... always! ... my question is, who is benefiting from the influx of obvious criminals into Europe? .... leave race and religion out of it and what you have is obvious criminals ... not all who have been abused become thugs and rapists ... why were these people selected for immigration rather than women and children who are less able to protect themselves? ... who does this benefit?

We are here ... we are discussing allowing refugees into our country ... one can talk about high minded ideals and spiritual practices of love and acceptance, but if someone is trying to harm you and your family that will soon go out the window ... to turn your back on danger and refuse to look at who's perpetrating it is contrary to survival ... I ask you ... who does that?

[arthunter]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about ...

"In the aftermath of the Paris attacks, media coverage has seen familiar patterns: uncritically repeat government claims, defend expansive state power, and blame the Muslim community for the acts of a few. We discuss media fearmongering, anti-Muslim scapegoating, ISIL’s roots, and war profiteering with Glenn Greenwald, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and co-founder of The Intercept. "Every time there’s a terrorist attack, Western leaders exploit that attack to do more wars," Greenwald says. "Which in turn means they transfer huge amounts of taxpayer money to these corporations that sell arms. And so investors are fully aware that the main people who are going to benefit from this escalation as a result of Paris are not the American people or the people of the West — and certainly not the people of Syria — it is essentially the military-industrial complex."

https://www.democracynow.org/2015/11...edias_drumbeat

[podfish]

... the influx of obvious criminals into Europe? .... leave race and religion out of it and what you have is obvious criminals ... not all who have been abused become thugs and rapists ...

sounds kind of Trumpy. That's part of my rant I left out. Sometimes you have to abandon things when you find yourself surrounded by an ugly crowd, and come back to it later in a fresh way. Your cause can be horribly tainted by the company you keep. It's not just that it looks bad - it's a sign your cause is getting hijacked and you may end up with bad unintended consequences. For example, when a 'free speech' movement gets joined by NAMBLA members, it's time to disband and reorganize.

We are here ... we are discussing allowing refugees into our country ... one can talk about high minded ideals and spiritual practices of love and acceptance, but if someone is trying to harm you and your family that will soon go out the window ... to turn your back on danger and refuse to look at who's perpetrating it is contrary to survival ... I ask you ... who does that?

uh, I hope I do that. I wish everyone did. Is 'high minded' a synonym for 'convenient' or 'shallow'? or 'unrealistic' or 'not if there's any potential cost' ???

[arthunter]

If you see that the "refugees" are actually mostly comprised of angry young men who go on to rape and pillage in their host countries, are you saying that you just overlook that? ... OMMM ... everything's fine ... let's not question any of it? ... once again, where are women and children? ... did they fall off of the boat? ... how do you interpret this?

sounds kind of Trumpy. That's part of my rant I left out...

[podfish]

... once again, where are women and children? ... did they fall off of the boat? ... how do you interpret this?

as implausible right-wing propaganda, now that you ask.