A feminine presence in your life.

[Hidden Jewel]

I am a beautiful and amazing woman in her mid thirties who is beginning to understand how powerful and dynamic women are.We have so much to offer to our friends, family, partners and the world at large.
In particular, I realize again and again just how essential it is to have a feminine presence in a man's life. A woman's presence serves to support, inspire and fill a man's life with warmth and love.I have recently come across several older gentlemen who have everything they need except a feminine presence woven into their lives. Without this important influence, I noticed their hearts were not as open and their inner lives appeared a bit arid. In fact, to hug these men made it apparent that they have not received touch or gentleness in a long time. Their entire being was crying out for the divine feminine in their lives.
It would be so amazing if men could receive the nourishing support and share the softness of a beautiful, understanding woman without either sex being hindered by the emotional & sexual entanglements and pressures of the usual dynamics of dating/ relationship.Would it be possible to experience the qualities of a woman without the confines and constraints of sex, relationship and the complications of human dynamics-but rather of out of loving service and creative expression? I think it is possible.
I believe the world would be a more uplifted and loving if there were (non-sexual) services that would provide the nurturing and heart softening experiences that many of these older gentlemen so desperately need.Out of curiosity, I love would to explore this topic in depth and would love to hear from those who has a resonance with this topic.
With Compassion,
Lola

[Sylph]

Sounds lovely, but are you offering to do this for money?
You say sex would not enter into the relationship...but loving touch might be offered.
I fear many men, no matter how old, will crave more...more time, more involvement.
How much do you think men would pay for this service?
Do you think there could be problems with emotional entanglements?
What if one of these lonely men falls in love with you?

[MsTerry]

LMAO
Sylph you beat me to it this time,
I was wondering the exact same thing

Sounds lovely, but are you offering to do this for money?
You say sex would not enter into the relationship...but loving touch might be offered.
I fear many men, no matter how old, will crave more...more time, more involvement.
How much do you think men would pay for this service?
Do you think there could be problems with emotional entanglements?
What if one of these lonely men falls in love with you?

[Dandelion]

Funny, I never read the word money in this post. I read the words service and compassion. Though a great idea, now that you mention it.
And I have wondered the same thing about lonely older gentlemen I have encountered. How in need many do seem to be of a gentle feminine presence. How much time and energy is available to give, though genuinely from the heart, to a person or persons in need of presence and companionship, before it becomes a "service"
I have also wondered about the discomfort and confusion around sexual intentions vs pure intentions of filling a human need for nurturing from the purity of heart.
I appreciate this post for breaching the topic.

Sounds lovely, but are you offering to do this for money?
You say sex would not enter into the relationship...but loving touch might be offered.
I fear many men, no matter how old, will crave more...more time, more involvement.
How much do you think men would pay for this service?
Do you think there could be problems with emotional entanglements?
What if one of these lonely men falls in love with you?

[MsTerry]

.
I expect she'd be just as likely to offer her "nurturing and heart softening experiences" to poor old homeless men as she would rich old dudes.

Are you speaking from personal experience?
Did she respond to your request?

[countrygirl]

I believe that is what spiritual gathering are suppose to be. It's not a "service" It's being together as a community and sharing the many beautiful facets we all have to offer. Sometimes in personal exchanges, sometimes group. Sexual expectations can get in the way but they don't have to. There is not enough truly sharing of spiritual community. Most of us can't even bear to bring up the word "church", but orginaly that's all that institution that went horribly wrong in almost every instance was suppose to accomplish. A place where people could share and help a community spiritual strength. People of both sexes miss that interaction and it's disappointing to see such potential not reached.

I am a beautiful and amazing woman in her mid thirties who is beginning to understand how powerful and dynamic women are.We have so much to offer to our friends, family, partners and the world at large.
In particular, I realize again and again just how essential it is to have a feminine presence in a man's life. A woman's presence serves to support, inspire and fill a man's life with warmth and love.I have recently come across several older gentlemen who have everything they need except a feminine presence woven into their lives. Without this important influence, I noticed their hearts were not as open and their inner lives appeared a bit arid. In fact, to hug these men made it apparent that they have not received touch or gentleness in a long time. Their entire being was crying out for the divine feminine in their lives.
It would be so amazing if men could receive the nourishing support and share the softness of a beautiful, understanding woman without either sex being hindered by the emotional & sexual entanglements and pressures of the usual dynamics of dating/ relationship.Would it be possible to experience the qualities of a woman without the confines and constraints of sex, relationship and the complications of human dynamics-but rather of out of loving service and creative expression? I think it is possible.
I believe the world would be a more uplifted and loving if there were (non-sexual) services that would provide the nurturing and heart softening experiences that many of these older gentlemen so desperately need.Out of curiosity, I love would to explore this topic in depth and would love to hear from those who has a resonance with this topic.
With Compassion,
Lola

[MsTerry]

Not yet, but I remain hopeful. I sincerely could use some heart softening by an amazing, beautiful young woman.

Have you tried emailing her?

[Braggi]

... I have also wondered about the discomfort and confusion around sexual intentions vs pure intentions of filling a human need for nurturing from the purity of heart. ...

This sentence implies sexual intentions are somehow "impure." How was that conclusion reached?

Sex can certainly be nurturing and experienced with "purity of heart."

-Jeff

[Dandelion]

I can see how this sounded like I was calling sex impure. Not at all.
What I was attempting to communicate is that men often impose uninvited sexual expectations upon women, even when the women are only coming from the heart chakra, & not below it. Misunderstandings easily occur when a young women is simply coming from a sincere place of sharing her nurturing instincts with an elder seemingly in need of caring human contact.
This can be unexpected and confusing when conscious communication has not been involved, or for example if she is looking upon the man as she would her grandfather.

This sentence implies sexual intentions are somehow "impure." How was that conclusion reached?

Sex can certainly be nurturing and experienced with "purity of heart."

-Jeff

[notsomuch]

Well lets be clear about the use of the word sex. If you talk about masculine and feminine that involves sex, even if it's not in the sense of intercourse it obviously has to do with male-female dynamics.

I think a potential problem of focusing on the feminine energy is those qualities becomes identified with the feminine whereas things like warmth, gentleness or compassion is not sexual in nature. The expression of those qualities may differ and be preferable in the feminine form, but that is not to say it is found exclusively in the feminine, even if that is largely the case. So if someone does not have a kind woman in their life and they think it must come through a woman, they may be ignoring other caring souls they DO have in their life. For that matter, does the feminine even acknowledge the masculine expression in this way? Do we even have an idea of what that looks like?

But I don't want to end on that note, that's just polarized the other way. What I will say is my experience of feminine energy without a depth from the heart just does not do much for me, which is the same for the masculine. And although it's not strictly correlated with age, we might say maturity has something to do with it. It's a beautiful thing when the two interact, but the heart is what is essential and I don't want to sit around and wait for a full blown feminine expression to come into my life. Of course, it seems that kind of depth from the heart is pretty rare, anyway.

[Sylph]

The expression of those qualities may differ and be preferable in the feminine form, but that is not to say it is found exclusively in the feminine....

What I will say is my experience of feminine energy without a depth from the heart just does not do much for me, which is the same for the masculine. And although it's not strictly correlated with age, we might say maturity has something to do with it. It's a beautiful thing when the two interact, but the heart is what is essential and I don't want to sit around and wait for a full blown feminine expression to come into my life. Of course, it seems that kind of depth from the heart is pretty rare, anyway

Nurturing energy can come from either sex. It can be authentic or deep, I suppose, even if you have paid for it, but very, very rarely. IMHO, money does 'taint' a relationship when all the parameters are not consciously discussed and understood.
I remember meeting an old classmate from high school, with warm feelings at first..I thought a mutual happiness over a connection. Seconds into the encounter, she was pushing her multi-level marketing plan! Warm fuzzies were gone and I knew she wasn't really interested in me.
I can have a satisfying friendly relationship with my doctor or psychologist, but there are clear roles and expectations. If I hired a cute guy to lets say, take me out to dinner, hang on my every word and then come home with me and give me a nice massage I think my heart could be open and vulnerable to hurt. It would feel too much like a 'real' date and I'm sure I would hope he would fall for me and tear up the check!

[notsomuch]

Yes, it's funny how we say "medical care" or "health care", for example, when the practitioner can be doing a perfectly good job without actually caring about you. And of course, a lot of people in the healing professions DO care about peoples well being, but I would think (or hope) that isn't dependent on how much they are paid. They may do more work in proportion to the compensation, but it seems rather silly to correlate the actual caring to the amount of services involved. That would just be how they are, and in fact may be freely expressed outside of the healing context in other ways. Someone who cannot do the work or say has very little feminine energy may in fact care a great deal, but there again it will be missed if we are just fixated on how it is expressed rather than the intent or where it's coming from.

Nurturing energy can come from either sex. It can be authentic or deep, I suppose, even if you have paid for it, but very, very rarely. IMHO, money does 'taint' a relationship when all the parameters are not consciously discussed and understood.

[notsomuch]

I guess this point about being paid is further explored in the other parody thread, but well that's a whole other thread to read through so I'll say a bit more about it here.

There is actually a tradition (ones I'm thinking of are not of this culture) of giving your gift without receiving anything in return, and frankly I doubt even asking for a donation is really in line with the intent there. It's not even "allowed" for them to charge, and one expression of this is if you are given a gift/ability you can never deny it. So it's not even that it's given freely rather than charging for it, you HAVE to give it if asked.

So it's just interesting to consider, it's obviously not everyone and you don't have to make a value judgment but it's clear what their values are. As I said in the other reply you can make a distinction between the service and the caring, but it does not appear to be the case with this kind of tradition.

[Homomasculine man]

I will believe this female-service posting is valid the minute that I see some amazing young man offer his presence for this gay senior's help. See! You are already laughing. If there is a hot young thing out there who wants to dedicate his presence to my ancient and venerable gay male presence (and I am a verifiable 0presence in the international GLBT community), I have the application forms in my hip-replacement pocket. For God's sake, is Sebastopol (where my family has lived since 1939) this effin gullible?

I am a beautiful and amazing woman in her mid thirties who is beginning to understand how powerful and dynamic women are.We have so much to offer to our friends, family, partners and the world at large.
In particular, I realize again and again just how essential it is to have a feminine presence in a man's life. A woman's presence serves to support, inspire and fill a man's life with warmth and love.I have recently come across several older gentlemen who have everything they need except a feminine presence woven into their lives. Without this important influence, I noticed their hearts were not as open and their inner lives appeared a bit arid. In fact, to hug these men made it apparent that they have not received touch or gentleness in a long time. Their entire being was crying out for the divine feminine in their lives.
It would be so amazing if men could receive the nourishing support and share the softness of a beautiful, understanding woman without either sex being hindered by the emotional & sexual entanglements and pressures of the usual dynamics of dating/ relationship.Would it be possible to experience the qualities of a woman without the confines and constraints of sex, relationship and the complications of human dynamics-but rather of out of loving service and creative expression? I think it is possible.
I believe the world would be a more uplifted and loving if there were (non-sexual) services that would provide the nurturing and heart softening experiences that many of these older gentlemen so desperately need.Out of curiosity, I love would to explore this topic in depth and would love to hear from those who has a resonance with this topic.
With Compassion,
Lola

[Braggi]

I will believe this female-service posting is valid the minute that I see some amazing young man offer his presence for this gay senior's help. See! You are already laughing. ...

Well, you're pretty funny, but what are you talking about? Valid? Invalid? What makes her post one way or another? And how does it affect you one way or the other? Not trying to give you a bad time. Just curious about your feelings and why you have the feelings you do.

-Jeff

[Homomasculine man]

Dear LOL, You're joking, right? Don't flatter yourself. You know nothing "obviously." I have plenty of experience with women, and am the wiser for it. If the "price" is right, anyone can have "nourishing support." Whether it's this Wacco woman or a some Wacco male, let's see ANY STRAIGHT Man, or any gay man, offer this kind of support to a gay male in a sexist society that thinks it's okay to bash gay male sexuality, or to avoid its support as a senior citizen. Havew you ever suggested a Gay Men's program or presence at the Sebastopol Senior Center? Oi. Vey. I'm making a point in principle. Dig it. You wanna come on and give me a "heart-softening"?

LOL, you obviously don't have any experience with women, and I'm guessing there's plenty of young gay men willing to give you 'nourishing support' and 'heart softening' experiences without sex if the price is right, no matter how old you are.

[MsTerry]

You wanna come on and give me a "heart-softening"?

As long as it is hard and cash of course

[Homomasculine man]

Dear All Skook Up. We don't agree. In this gestalt, a person can get a young man to come care for a gay senior far less easily, and certainly far less sensitively, than you can get a young woman to come care for you. (The distance is greater.) The human point is that the sincerity of the original poster leads a thinking person to skepticism. Gee. Now who am I going to leave my estate to?

[quote=Skook;84300]Um, that's the point of this conversation. So we agree, you can get a young man to care for you.

If the "price" is right, anyone can have "nourishing support."

[MsTerry]

Oh come on now, stop that self induced pity.
Your savings should be what you invested in people, that way you 'll have no trouble bequeathing your estate.
If all you toke in was sex, (no pun intended) there will be lonely nights for a Homomasculine man.

[QUOTE]

Dear All Skook Up. We don't agree. In this gestalt, a person can get a young man to come care for a gay senior far less easily, and certainly far less sensitively, than you can get a young woman to come care for you. (The distance is greater.) The human point is that the sincerity of the original poster leads a thinking person to skepticism. Gee. Now who am I going to leave my estate to?

[pjpete]

You Sound Like You Have Been Hanging Out At A Mormon Temple......

I am a beautiful and amazing woman in her mid thirties who is beginning to understand how powerful and dynamic women are.We have so much to offer to our friends, family, partners and the world at large.
In particular, I realize again and again just how essential it is to have a feminine presence in a man's life. A woman's presence serves to support, inspire and fill a man's life with warmth and love.I have recently come across several older gentlemen who have everything they need except a feminine presence woven into their lives. Without this important influence, I noticed their hearts were not as open and their inner lives appeared a bit arid. In fact, to hug these men made it apparent that they have not received touch or gentleness in a long time. Their entire being was crying out for the divine feminine in their lives.
It would be so amazing if men could receive the nourishing support and share the softness of a beautiful, understanding woman without either sex being hindered by the emotional & sexual entanglements and pressures of the usual dynamics of dating/ relationship.Would it be possible to experience the qualities of a woman without the confines and constraints of sex, relationship and the complications of human dynamics-but rather of out of loving service and creative expression? I think it is possible.
I believe the world would be a more uplifted and loving if there were (non-sexual) services that would provide the nurturing and heart softening experiences that many of these older gentlemen so desperately need.Out of curiosity, I love would to explore this topic in depth and would love to hear from those who has a resonance with this topic.
With Compassion,
Lola

[mykil]

You know Jewel may be on to something here; I have often thought [just most recently] I might be able to offer my expertise to well established women in the area. I have them following me around like little puppy dogs anyway, why not charge a fee. I could start with a hug, move forward to a massage and end up in a hotel room somewhere in town. Who knows where this might end? She could pay me for my services and I could be on my way! Hmmmmm I have been told I give an outstanding massage. All I truly would need would be a fickle attitude and maybe a few condoms. Although it really doesn’t have to come to sex, I could just use my fingers; I wonder if that was what she was getting at? Not sex but a really good hand job! HA! I could use my lips that would cost more, these lips are expensive!!! Or even invest in some new toys. The hardest part is asking what they like and what they are into. Women are FICKLE! Some like to be spanked, some like to just lay there, some like to really be told what to do, some really just like to give BJ’s really turns them on Some really like… I wonder what I might charge for these sessions. Any clue what a good gigolo goes for these dayz?
I love the idea; I think companionship is a terrible thing to waste. A woman in her mid thirties on Craig’s list can bring in 3 to 4 hundred bucks an evening to the older gentlemen crowd. I have a friend that does this and she really only has sex with them about half of the time, they just love to hang out with a younger woman and take their clothes off and get rubbed and massaged and fondled. I asked her about this in detail a few times, because I was curious and she loved her work, it paid all her bills and she really enjoyed making men feel fantastic. She drives a nice car; she lives in a nice house. I think the main idea is she did have sex with half of them thou, they expected her to perform some sort of ritual at any point. These were older gentlemen in there seventies and early eighties mind you soooo half could not even attempt to perform without a little blue pill and even then… I just hope by the time I need them they will have improved to dramatically that it will be like I was a teen all over again, with a little more experience and allot more satisfaction!
I think what hidden jewel might need is a safe place to work and a phone number and she is off and running! How to word such an event might be the hardest part!
Sensual massage offered to older discreet gentlemen. NONE SEXUAL just sensual and I mean it!!!
Then maybe after time she might dabble into the hand job routine, slowly mauling over what she had done for cash, using her lips on the cuter guyz when they ask for a few dollars more and BAM! One day she goes all the way and enjoys the hell out of it soooo much… and all of a sudden it is ten years later and either she is really smart and rich, or in jail coming down off some sort of drug! HA!

[MsTerry]

If you and Hidden Jewel get in business together would you call it Hunk n Jewel?

You know Jewel may be on to something here; I have often thought [just most recently] I might be able to offer my expertise to well established women in the area. ...

[Lorrie]

If you and Hidden Jewel get in business together would you call it Hunk n Jewel?

Good one!

[mykil]

Maybe a maid she could be? I had this whole art piece worked out in my head were we would put young collage woman on display in various offices around town. On pedestals, in glass cases, hanging from a bird cage from the rafters swinging on a swing. hmmmmm… what ever turned the clients on, in provocative outfits. Changing the girls from day to day so the art work would alwayz is a change of scenery. There is nothing better to look at on a wall or in the middle of a room that n a beautiful live woman in a thong doing her home work. No sex just art. In the respected business that really wanted to be outstanding in their community, the advertising alone it brought to their attention would be well enough to cover the cost of lets say a grand a week. Five for the woman and three for me for all the running around and bookwork entailed.

YA I would see a beautiful woman dressed in thong cleaning my house for a fee. Nothing wrong with this what so ever. Or massaging my back with no top on, hmmm I am really starting to take a liking to hidden jewel, yes I think soooo!

[MsTerry]

YA I would see a beautiful woman dressed in thong cleaning my house for a fee. Nothing wrong with this what so ever. Or massaging my back with no top on, hmmm I am really starting to take a liking to hidden jewel, yes I think soooo!

You've got to change that picture on your profile, it looks like you are ready to cry, especially with that bear coming out of your ear.
Check out her picture!
She's going to tear you apart!

[Lotus]

I believe the world would be a more uplifted and loving if there were (non-sexual) services that would provide the nurturing and heart softening experiences that many of these older gentlemen so desperately need.Out of curiosity, I love would to explore this topic in depth and would love to hear from those who has a resonance with this topic.
With Compassion,
Lola

I don't understand all the hubub your little post has caused Lola. There are many people in this little WACCO world who just make EVERYTHING sexual it seems! (Visions of Waccos with their pants around their ankles in front of their computers -- and did they even take themselves out to dinner first? -- but I digress....).

That being said....there are LOTS of lonely people around - men and women. Maybe I am one(?). Real relationships help us I think! Friendships, romance, etc. I have paid a therapist to help me be more objective about my own brain, etc. I don't know if it would work to have someone hanging out with me in the interest of service to a poor arid lonely person - ya know?

[mykil]

You say everybody having our pants down around our ankles in front of our computer like it’s a bad thing!
The simplest minds are the easiest to torment, this not even being a post in particular that you have any stock in, yet you need the attention to sway and stroke people you aren’t even aware exist, except in a negative light! I think Miss Jewel has gotten what she has come for. This is the exact feedback she was after! See a simple mind would not understand that someone is actually trying to obtain the simplest facts and move on with the knowledge and enlightenment and comical relief one so looks forward to when posting.
If you are truly going to take life this serious, you are alwayz going to be down!LMAO! If Miss Jewel had anything but a good laugh along with all her knowledge and thoughts on the subject, good or bad, don’t you think she would have spoken up and truly defended herself till we all settled and where thru jazzing her? Or if she was making an offer don’t you think she has gotten like a bazillion private emails and know she is too busy giving true companionship that she has no time for this thread anymore? I truly don’t understand the mentality of some that truly don’t get it! You my lady do not, but hopefully you will come around in time. Especially if you hang out with a group of Wacco’s that know it all and aren’t afraid to share useless information in exchange for a good laugh. Just because you are having a difficult time in this day and age is no reason to assume you can change our world for the dry dull not so much sense of humor you are after. WE are here, half are queer, while the other half are drinking a lot of beer. A rough combination to get anywhere! Ask for advice or a date and you are going to get allot of suggestions. Bitter sweet sorrow is a bad way to live, no matter what anyone has told you.
AS far as the thread itself, I find it wonderful that someone wants to spend time with old folk in exchange for money. What she is really after should be called a sugar daddy. One she can live with, in the granny unit of course. Take care of his needs, such as feeding clothing and cooking, while she doesn’t have to have sex because he is too old, yet he likes having her around so he spoils her rotten. When his life has expired, he shall leave everything to him in his will and she shall live happy ever after. You see this all the time, why re-invent the wheel. Call it what you will but you truly can’t pull the wool over everyone’s eyes with a new expression or title for what is already in place. I see nothing wrong with giving one companionship and love in exchange for a life…
If she is truly on a roll and successful at it maybe a few gentlemen might leave her everything they own…

[Sylph]

Lotus has a great sense of humor! She fits right in with other clever, insightful Waccos.

If you are truly going to take life this serious, you are alwayz going to be down!LMAO!

[calart]

Hi There, I agree with Sylph, I am an older gentleman and would give my left arm to have a beautiful 30 something year old lady to hold and be held, but as Sylph said a man is a man and when a woman holds him like she was describing I would go nuts, don't get me wrong it is just a natural thing, I was widowed in 1985 raised two wonderful sons by myself then got married in 1999 and unfortunately that didn't work out, in other words when a man goes without the warmth of a lady and all of a sudden someone comes along and catches him in her arms the volcano wants to erupt especially with a younger lady, that much difference in age has to be a sexual relationship, there is nothing in common between them, I have answered a few adds for companionship and all of them wanted money for sex, as for me I think sex should be a romantic expression of love, oh I could go on but I'll get a few responses that will have to be answered, have a great evening. Art

[battindown]

Lola Dear,

I'm a 60 year old man and agree with all you are saying. Although I deeply miss the daily touch and easy interaction of a wife or serious companion, I do receive much of my physical contact needs from my daughter and other close female family members. Hugs are wonderful. I'm not judging here, but if you don't have anyone who wishes to hug you and affectionately kiss you, maybe you aren't huggable or kissable. One must love one's self and then extend it to others. IMHO To just look for love from others is a bit greedy and certainly not sustainable.

I am a beautiful and amazing woman in her mid thirties who is beginning to understand how powerful and dynamic women are.We have so much to offer to our friends, family, partners and the world at large.
In particular, I realize again and again just how essential it is to have a feminine presence in a man's life. A woman's presence serves to support, inspire and fill a man's life with warmth and love.I have recently come across several older gentlemen who have everything they need except a feminine presence woven into their lives. Without this important influence, I noticed their hearts were not as open and their inner lives appeared a bit arid. In fact, to hug these men made it apparent that they have not received touch or gentleness in a long time. Their entire being was crying out for the divine feminine in their lives.
It would be so amazing if men could receive the nourishing support and share the softness of a beautiful, understanding woman without either sex being hindered by the emotional & sexual entanglements and pressures of the usual dynamics of dating/ relationship.Would it be possible to experience the qualities of a woman without the confines and constraints of sex, relationship and the complications of human dynamics-but rather of out of loving service and creative expression? I think it is possible.
I believe the world would be a more uplifted and loving if there were (non-sexual) services that would provide the nurturing and heart softening experiences that many of these older gentlemen so desperately need.Out of curiosity, I love would to explore this topic in depth and would love to hear from those who has a resonance with this topic.
With Compassion,
Lola