Al Gore & The Global Warming Agenda

[Braggi]

... You still don't believe in man-made catastrophic global warming do you? If you do, check out the first post of this thread. There's a book from '91 by The Club of Rome stating that they might use global warming to manipulate us. And Al Gore is a member of The Club of Rome. What more do you need? ... — I warned that the hidden motivation of whole climate change scam is the creation world socialist order 12 years ago. Nobody listened...

Your stuff is getting so boring and really emphasizes how you really don't understand what's going on. I'll type this slowly so you can keep up: forests moderate weather. Got that? Forests affect weather. When the Earth is covered in forests, the way it was a couple hundred years ago, the weather is less extreme. Fewer extreme highs, fewer extreme lows. I'll let you do the research.

We're screwing up the balance in the atmosphere by deforesting vast swaths of forest all over the world at the same time we're also dumping vast quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. We know the amount of CO2 has risen dramatically. No one disputes this, not even you. This is a change that entirely man made. Perhaps that's meaningless. You might think so, but most scientists think it is meaningful. Either way, the things we are doing that add to the CO2 are also poisoning our environment in other ways, such as adding vast amounts of mercury to the air and eventually to the water we all drink.

So, my bottom line is that we need to stop it with the fossil fuel as soon as we reasonably can. I still don't understand why this is a problem for you. What are you thinking?

Do you fear that one day you'll get a letter from your city council that says you'll have to install double pane windows? What's your problem?

-Jeff

[d-cat]

I'll type this slowly so you can keep up:

I don't read this while you're typing; I read it after you post. What a stupid thing to say.

forests moderate weather. Got that? Forests affect weather. When the Earth is covered in forests, the way it was a couple hundred years ago, the weather is less extreme. Fewer extreme highs, fewer extreme lows. I'll let you do the research.

I'm not sure what you're responding to. I don't have an issue with this.

So, my bottom line is that we need to stop it with the fossil fuel as soon as we reasonably can. I still don't understand why this is a problem for you. What are you thinking?

I don't have a problem with cutting fossil fuels at all. You're putting words in my mouth again.

Do you fear that one day you'll get a letter from your city council that says you'll have to install double pane windows? What's your problem?

Just look at the subject of this thread! Here's a hint:

The threat of environmental crisis will be the 'international disaster key' that will unlock the New World Order.
- Mikhail Gorbachev

[d-cat]

Obama’s Nightmare “Green Agenda” Officially Unveiled
President Barack Obama’s plan to implement a cap-and-trade program that would cut carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent and also sink an already battered U.S. economy into a new great depression has officially been announced on the White House.gov website. However, the secondary phase of the agenda that would counter-balance such a move, the creation of millions of “green” stasi government jobs, has also been announced...
Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

get ready for an onslaught of global warming fear mongering from corporate media!

[Braggi]

... Just look at the subject of this thread! Here's a hint:

The threat of environmental crisis will be the 'international disaster key' that will unlock the New World Order.
- Mikhail Gorbachev

So lay it on us: what is it, specifically, that you're afraid of.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

Obama’s Nightmare “Green Agenda” Officially Unveiled
... the creation of millions of “green” stasi government jobs, has also been announced...

The "STASI" is already here. W. Bush gave us that. It's called "The Department of Homeland Security."

"Green" jobs have nothing to do with that.

So once again, what is it you're afraid of?

-Jeff

[phooph]

Obama’s Nightmare “Green Agenda” Officially Unveiled
President Barack Obama’s plan to implement a cap-and-trade program that would cut carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent and also sink an already battered U.S. economy into a new great depression has officially been announced on the White House.gov website. However, the secondary phase of the agenda that would counter-balance such a move, the creation of millions of “green” stasi government jobs, has also been announced...
Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

get ready for an onslaught of global warming fear mongering from corporate media!

Antarctic ice shelf set to collapse due to warming | Environment | Reuters

Global warming hits Mars too: study

The idea that cutting carbon emissions would have negative economic impact is not borne out in reality:

[lynn]

Do you fear that one day you'll get a letter from your city council that says you'll have to install double pane windows? What's your problem?

I sure would be pissed if they told me I had to do it...

And that reminds me...

Why does Al get to fly all over the globe...Use up a heck of a lot more energy than I do...And his family...He and his wife procreated 4 kids I think...

But, I can't even drive my car a few miles a day...

I deserve a big huge tax break...or somethin'!...

[Braggi]

Do you fear that one day you'll get a letter from your city council that says you'll have to install double pane windows? What's your problem?

I sure would be pissed if they told me I had to do it...

So would I. Thing is, it's not going to happen, so you can safely shiver behind your single pane windows if that's your wish.

... And that reminds me...

Why does Al get to fly all over the globe...Use up a heck of a lot more energy than I do...And his family...He and his wife procreated 4 kids I think...

But, I can't even drive my car a few miles a day...

I deserve a big huge tax break...or somethin'!...

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Al either. Except, he's got us talking about all this, doesn't he? Perhaps that's his actual agenda. In that case, we should thank him, because this forum has allowed us to look over all the nonsense from those who deny human influenced global warming. Thanks d-cat, for posting all that clap trap. Those who still have a shred of critical thinking can see through it, although the reasons why they cling to their positions remain obscure to this observer.

I'm no fan of "carbon credits" or anything like it, but it's really about time we start taxing fossil fuels to reflect their actual cost which must include the cost of the US military that is dedicated to maintaining multi-national corporate control of energy resources.

Check out this article to begin to comprehend how much tax payer money we waste in an attempt to keep the mega-corporations in power: The Worldwide Network of US Military Bases

This is the main reason we have to get off of fossil fuels and stop ruining our fresh water supplies and return to growing most of our own food within our borders.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

[QUOTE=Braggi;80672] ... This is the main reason we have to get off of fossil fuels and stop ruining our fresh water supplies and return to growing most of our own food within our borders. /QUOTE]

I forgot to mention, the "terrorist threat" will largely disappear when the military bases close and local people around the globe stop seeing "Americans" as occupying soldiers armed to the teeth and instead see us as concerned global citizens, bringing them much appreciated tourist dollars.

It wouldn't hurt if we stopped arming terrorist factions around the world too.

-Jeff

PS. Anyone see "Iron Man?" A surprisingly good movie with a crudely inserted political statement that's pretty right on.

[ginayjackson]

Here's another case of a statement taken out of context and filtered through the haze of ignorance.

While I agree Obama's choice of words is easily subject to misinterpretation, the kind of national security Obama was talking about was the security of a safe place to live, of safe roads and bridges to drive on, of safe places to eat and sleep. He was talking about fully funding such "security forces" as the Peace Corps which helps us develop world security by making friends instead of enemies. By "well funded as the military" he didn't mean funded with the same number of dollars but fully funded so they don't have to go begging if they want to add a few more volunteers. That's a huge difference. He never suggested the forces that will insure security within our borders should cost the same as the military.

Stop projecting Nazism on Obama. The Neo-(Nazi)-Con was just defeated.

-Jeff

I agree with Jeff, it seems anytime someone tries to unite the masses for one cause whether it's cleaning the air, reducing pollution, cleaning up the freeways or helping kids with their homework, some moron wants to claim he/she is trying to start a dictatorship. Don't be so afraid to be on one accord with your community. Not to change the subject but it sounds similar to those who are so "afraid" to lose their second ammendment right that they dont mind innocent people are being killed. Get a grip on reality and stop crying sour grapes because an African-American won the presidency.

["Mad" Miles]

Hey Folks,

Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, pro or anti, but according to the PD's front page article today, we're screwed for the next 3K years whether we quit pumping out the CO2 or not.

I loved (Sic.) the 1930's style Dust Bowl Drought predictions for the North American (U.S.) Southwest, North Africa and Southern Europe, as if the economic news wasn't enough!!!

Anyone seeing all the flowers in the last couple of days? Think there'll be a wine grape crop next fall? Not if there's a significant freeze in the next few months.

Actually, the concluding quote from the scientific expert is that the report means we gotta cut out all our shit NOW!

Talk about mixed messages....

"Mad" Miles

[lynn]

Braggi..."So would I. Thing is, it's not going to happen, so you can safely shiver behind your single pane windows if that's your wish."...

Okay...That does it!!...Real nice snide remark there!...

You guys just don't 'get it' at all...There are plenty of people who CAN'T AFFORD double pane windows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...They aren't exactly cheap!!!!!!!...

People are oughta' jobs and homes....And if they have a car to be able to go out to try and find a job...All these 'climate crisis' crazies want to make it even harder now for them to be able to drive the car they already have...by putting even tougher standards on tailpipe emissions...

And the climate crisis crazies have been lying all along saying...'The debate is Over'...

It's NEVER been over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been reading debates all along!!!!!!!

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of all this...It's so insanely ridiculous...

If you people want to keep believing that the earth's climate is suppose to be 'perfect', or 'stable' according to our expectations...And how it will be all disaster if we don't do something right now to 'change' the climate...

Put your money where your mouth is and...Go live in a cave and eat roots...

Or else, be ready to buy a lot of people new cars they can't afford...and a whole heck of a lot of other stuff, that might be coming down the pike...

[Zeno Swijtink]

You guys just don't 'get it' at all...There are plenty of people who CAN'T AFFORD double pane windows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...They aren't exactly cheap!!!!!!!...

Of course, the question how to finance this all has been topmost on the mind of people who are thinking about climate change and the need for greenhouse gas reductions.

See page 31 of the Sonoma County Community Climate Action Plan

https://www.coolplan.org/ccap-report...l_11-05-08.pdf



AB811 is the California Assembly Bill 811, a bill sponsored to allow cities to provide their residents with low-cost loans for energy-efficient home improvements.

See also https://ab811.org/

[Valley Oak]

Lynn, given what's coming down the pike with Obama, if you had to choose between four more years of Bush and the current Obama administration, which would you choose?

Edward

Braggi..."So would I. Thing is, it's not going to happen, so you can safely shiver behind your single pane windows if that's your wish."...

Okay...That does it!!...Real nice snide remark there!...

You guys just don't 'get it' at all...There are plenty of people who CAN'T AFFORD double pane windows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...They aren't exactly cheap!!!!!!!...

People are oughta' jobs and homes....And if they have a car to be able to go out to try and find a job...All these 'climate crisis' crazies want to make it even harder now for them to be able to drive the car they already have...by putting even tougher standards on tailpipe emissions...

And the climate crisis crazies have been lying all along saying...'The debate is Over'...

It's NEVER been over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been reading debates all along!!!!!!!

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of all this...It's so insanely ridiculous...

If you people want to keep believing that the earth's climate is suppose to be 'perfect', or 'stable' according to our expectations...And how it will be all disaster if we don't do something right now to 'change' the climate...

Put your money where your mouth is and...Go live in a cave and eat roots...

Or else, be ready to buy a lot of people new cars they can't afford...and a whole heck of a lot of other stuff, that might be coming down the pike...

[Braggi]

...
Put your money where your mouth is and...Go live in a cave and eat roots...

Thanks for your well reasoned and cleverly spoken response. I always appreciate your level headed input.

Actually, what I've done is replaced the windows in my house that leaked the most heat. The old ones, while double paned, were old style aluminum frame and many of the seals had leaked. I replaced them myself. They cost less than $60 each at Home Depot. I think they cost a little more now. I still have a number to replace, but they're smaller windows and don't leak as much heat.

I also replaced my worn out roof with rolled steel panels. When I did that I tightened up the old foam insulation to eliminate gaps and sealed the perimeter with expanding spray foam. That reduced heat loss a great deal.

We do all of our home heating with locally harvested, carbon neutral firewood that I cut, split and stack myself. I know that doesn't work for everyone, but it works well for us.

I think I do put my money where my mouth is. I live in a wood framed house, not a cave, but I'd actually like to dig a cave to use as a wine cellar and emergency shelter in case of forest fire. I also eat a lot of root vegetables, but could use more leafy vegetables in my diet. Thanks for your concern and suggestion.

... Or else, be ready to buy a lot of people new cars they can't afford...and a whole heck of a lot of other stuff, that might be coming down the pike...

I'm not big on buying any new stuff using environmental concerns as the reason, unless the purchase will "pay for itself" within a few years. The windows and extra roof insulation I installed certainly fit in that category.

I drive most of my road miles in a 1985 Honda Civic, four wheel drive car. It gets about 30 mpg which is still comparable to the most fuel efficient 4wd cars available now. I need 4wd to get up my driveway. I oppose laws that forcibly retire old cars and trucks for many reasons. It takes a great deal of raw materials and energy to build a new vehicle. Making what we have last longer is a good strategy for reducing consumption which is perhaps the most important strategy for reducing personal environmental impact.

So maybe I do "get it." At least I'm working on it.

Hope you're staying warm and dry,

-Jeff

[d-cat]

The Spotless Sun Continues as Global Cooling Arrives
200812213081 | The Spotless Sun Continues as Global Cooling Arrives | / | Energy & Environment

Where have all the sunspots gone?
View From The Lab: Where have all the sunspots gone? - Telegraph

Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age
NASA - Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age

State of the Sun for year end 2008: all’s quiet on the solar front - too quiet
State of the Sun for year end 2008: all’s quiet on the solar front - too quiet « Watts Up With That?

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century
DailyTech - Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

Spotless days: 400 and counting
Spotless days: 400 and counting « Watts Up With That?




Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age - Pravda.Ru

Global Cooling is Here! Evidence for Predicting Global Cooling for the Next Three Decades
ICECAP

Shocking cold wave drops temps to 40 below zero
Shocking cold wave drops temps to 40 below zero - Yahoo! News

Wicked: Coldest Temps In Over A Decade
First Day With A Low Colder Than -10 In Chicago In More Than A Decade - cbs2chicago.com


Global Cooling Headed Our Way
Americans are surprised to learn that President-elect Obama's choice to be his global warming czar, one Carol Browner, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change, according to the Washington Times.
A global warming militant a socialist? How can that be? Well, it can be because the whole purpose of the AGW scam is nothing less than a covert movement to create a world socialist order.
The fact that the woman Barack Obama chose to oversee the effort to combat the global warming fantasy appears to be a believer in the socialist doctrine should come as no surprise — I warned that the hidden motivation of whole climate change scam is the creation world socialist order 12 years ago. Nobody listened...
Newsmax.com - Global Cooling Headed Our Way

It's snowing on Mars!
Ian Sample reports on the extraordinary information being sent back from Mars | Science | The Guardian

[d-cat]

the UN's political global warming agenda is distracting from real environmental/health issues, like depleted uranium and GMO food.

Long term soil devastation in Gaza due to use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dall'Iraq occupato :: news from occupied Iraq :: - it

[Hotspring 44]

Handy, do you have a specific plan in mind? Is there a book or a comprehensive diagram so to speak of specific scientific data?

Do is there or you have an instruction manual, we could read?
or do you know of any how to global warming survival instruction manuals that exist today? Or is the CIA, the only ones privilege to that manual?

What about the ocean levels rising? And displacing of hundreds of millions of people?

Are we politically and socially ready to deal with the hundreds of millions of refugees when the ocean levels rise?

What kind of human intervention, would we be able to do so that it would not take 10,000 - 100,000 years for the rest of the environment to adjust to such unprecedentedted rapid climate shifts?

As far as I know, those ice layers that we use to calculate the amount of carbon dioxide that was in the atmosphere at different times in the past; indicate those changes that you're referring to are tens of if not hundreds of thousands of years in time, apart from each other during the largest peak CO2 levels.

Even if there were not the gigantic political problems with the would-be flood refugees I mentioned earlier. Honestly, those problems right there would probably put this conversation dead in its tracks, if it really were to occur in our lifetimes.

Do you have any knowledge of the way humans could mitigate those long periods of time from between 10,000 and 100,000 years to being a reasonable [survivable] time scale for mitigating survival of [majority of] the masses that are alive now?

Probably not, is my guess.
However, I am open-minded, and I would be very interested to see a real block diagram so to speak of how that could actually in reality, under all of the political and environmental considerations that we have in the world right now could work.

I'm quite skeptical of any person or group that claims they know the answers to that one without at least acknowledging the demise of hundreds of millions if not billions of people and animals, the loss of arable and livable landmasses and viable oceans. believe it or not, plankton that lives in the ocean is where most of our oxygen comes from.

Plankton; just because we cannot see it growing as easaly as we see trees growing does not mean it's minimal; in regards to oxygen production.

To say that carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant in a sentence misrepresents what I believe they themselves, are actually trying to convey to the public.

Which is that unregulated, massive amounts of industrial carbon dioxide without mitigating the amount that goes into the atmosphere is what they are referring to.

But politics being what it is; It’s understandable that the whole thing that politicians come up with will probably be totally screwed up and either unworkable or nobody will either have the willingness or ability to effectively enforce it.

I'm suggesting that it is likely to just be a bunch of convoluted legal documents, rules and exceptions to particular parties political advantage at the time and not to forget the bureaucracy that would be created and the fact that nothing which would actually help the situation would be permitted in a timely manner.

Yes, if the vast majority of the human beings and their political representatives got along; we could probably pull it off and survive fairly successfully.

The way things are now, the faster it gets hot, the worse off you and I are as a direct result of radical climate change as far as I can tell.

What I mean by radical climate change is the differences in comparison to the historic time spans of time between peaks of trapped atmospheric CO2 and other inert gasses recorded by scientists in the South Pole ice core test samples.

Personally I don't have 10,000 to 100,000 years to wait for some utopia like what was implied in that article.

The Warmer, the Merrier

by James P. Hogan


Earth warmed a little during the last century as part of the natural climate cycles that have always been happening and always will. The principal agent by far – to the tune of 95% of the total in maintaining an atmosphere that keeps the Earth from freezing at this distance from the Sun – is water vapour, which doesn't even figure in the computer models that the current hysteria is based on, because you can't control it, tax it, or blame it on your favorite villains. At 0.03% of the Earth's atmosphere, carbon dioxide is a minor player, and the proportion of it due to human activities, minuscule – 2% of the 0.03%, which is six millionths of the 5% warming which was due to CO2 to begin with. Put another way, the human contribution works out at three cents in a hundred thousand dollars.

Carbon dioxide did increase over the latter half of the twentieth century, but the assertion that it was all or mainly a result of burning hydrocarbon fuels has no solid foundation. Warming for any reason will release carbon from vast natural reservoirs. Reconstructions of past conditions show CO2 levels up to 20 times higher than at present, before there were any humans at all, and data from such sources as ice cores, lake sediments, and tree rings indicate that in the swings over the ages, the warming occurred first, making CO2 levels a longer-term effect rather than the driver. Mean temperatures actually fell from the late 1940s through to the 1970s and again from around 1998 to the present, while CO2 continued rising steadily, very likely as a consequence of the 300-year recovery from the "mini ice age" of the 17th century. The chart below shows the change in Arctic temperatures over the last 120 years compared to CO2 levels and to variations in the energy output of the Sun. Which do you think is more likely to be driving the temperature?



But even if the recent warming trends were shown to be largely of our own doing, there's more reason for celebration than the panic that we're witnessing. Warm worlds are cheerier, healthier, more secure, and better able to support a richer and more abundant biosphere than cold ones. On land and in the oceans, life thrives in the green equatorial and temperate zones, not the icy higher latitudes. A warmer world would transform the vast wastes of Siberia and northern Canada into forests, gardens, granaries, and habitats, opening up huge areas to accommodate the growing population that some view as a blight, and bring water back to such regions as the Sahara and Middle East, that were once verdant. So, if human activity is capable of making a measurable difference, one would think that a good policy to adopt would be to help things along by using the abundance of energy that the world offers, to increase wealth and living standards generally, and enjoy the environmental benefits.

Instead, we hear eminences that inform and direct the world's peoples calling for legislation to classify carbon dioxide as a pollutant. The irony of such nonsense is that carbon dioxide is plant food, and hence the basic nutrient that supports all life on Earth. A largely unreported consequence of the CO2 increase that took place over the last half century has been a huge increase in agricultural yield, general greening of much of the planet, and more efficient use of water by plants. Because of deficiency in micronutrients, large areas of the oceans are biological deserts that could be "fertilized" at low cost to increase phytoplankton and hence fish populations enormously. Instead of manically and pointlessly seeking to decrease emissions at staggering cost in an attempt to implement an unworkable solution to a nonexistent problem, we could be turning the byproducts of human industrial and agricultural enterprise into living things and abundant food. This really is wonderful news for those who believe that human creativity and cooperation offer the possibility of building better tomorrows for the entire race, and that the choice is ours to make.

It takes real talent in doom-mongering and wilful blindness to turn such promise and potential into a disaster scenario. The Western world has surely never been run by such a pack of fools as those inflicted on it at the present time.

November 22, 2008

James P. Hogan [send him mail], a former digital systems engineer and computer sales executive, has been a full-time writer since 1980. He was born in London, moved to the USA for many years, and now lives in the Republic of Ireland. His web site is at www.jamesphogan.com.

Copyright © 2008 LewRockwell.com

[lynn]

Hotspring...The way things are now, the faster it gets hot, the worse off you and I are as a direct result of radical climate change as far as I can tell.

Boy, those people freezin' in those ice storms right now....Sure want that global warming!!!...

============

Who says we have 'radical' climate change?...

[Gary]

Boy, those people freezin' in those ice storms right now....Sure want that global warming!!!...

Climate change models predict parts of the globe will experience cooling even while the Earth as a whole will warm. This is why the term "climate change" has taken favor over "global warming", not because scientists are trying to change their story (common rhetoric in skeptic's arguments). The Sonoma Climate Protection Campaign has good resources to learn about this on a large and also local level.

Sky Metrics :: Background

[d-cat]

Climate change models predict parts of the globe will experience cooling even while the Earth as a whole will warm. This is why the term "climate change" has taken favor over "global warming", not because scientists are trying to change their story (common rhetoric in skeptic's arguments). The Sonoma Climate Protection Campaign has good resources to learn about this on a large and also local level.

Sky Metrics :: Background

“Climate models are useless.” “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists."

The above quotes come from retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist Dr. John S. Theon, former supervisor to James Hanson, the global warming fearmonger. Theon has stated that Hanson " embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims.

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

[lynn]

The 'climate modelers' and advocates for AGW...

For those scientists, and science types who watch this stuff and are skeptical...

Put it this way...

DailyTech - Will the Real Antarctica Please Stand Up?


=================

In short....It's seeming to me that one can use the current info. of 'climate science' to fit your own agenda...

Same way religious people use the Bible...

[Yubajeff]

I lost my Kodak (and nearly my heart ) on Saturday Jan. 31 at the wake for Dr. David in Sebastolol. I also found a silver dophin ring at the event, and gave it to the organizer, who I don't know how to contact.
There are quite a few photos of the wake on the camera, which I was going to post publicly at the organizer's request.
Jeff/Scout 530-264-6343.

[d-cat]

Al Gore to Children: Don't Listen to your Parents! parts 1 & 2








State Brainwashing Children To “Re-Educate” Their Parents For Green Dictatorship
Kids being brainwashed into informing on their families, following pattern of totalitarian societies throughout history

A massive program with its tentacles embedded into almost every corner of education and popular culture is underway to use the “green” agenda to brainwash children and turn them against their own parents, as the state moves towards the creation of a Stasi-style informant society using methods that have been repeated in every totalitarian state throughout history.
The controversy surrounding Al Gore’s comments during a speech at the University of Maryland Presidential Youth Inaugural Conference, during which he pitted children against their parents by telling them they “know more” about global warming, is merely the tip of the iceberg of a top-down movement that is mimicking a technique that dictatorships have practiced throughout history - the exploitation and brainwashing of children to turn them into Maoist, Stasi, Hitler Youth-style informants and enforcers against their own family and community...

Anonym zu www.prisonplanet.com/state-brainwashing-children-to-re-educate-their-parents-for-green-dictatorship.html

[Hotspring 44]

Personally I think wind and solar all the way as much as feasibly possible.

Yes, it is feasible to go wind and solar largely.

Most oil companies and energy companies along with mainly individuals that make huge profits when everybody else suffers brainwash people too.
They have a lot more resources at their fingertips that they utilize in order to brainwash people.
One of their most successful techniques is utilizing private industry to brainwash people.
Just because an ex government official, whom by the way is now a private person (Al Gore) is saying something that certain factions don't like does not necessarily mean those children are being brainwashed.
One person’s education equals another person's brainwashing!

It also seems to me that Alex Jones has a bone or two to pick with the 60s generation Americana.

There was a lot of ignored wisdom that was expressed during the 60s that the so-called older generation supposedly didn't listen to.
Like environmentalism, for example.
Sure, they wanted to clean the photo-chemical smog out of Los Angeles for example, but it took until the late 80s to realize how bad dioxin was.
But nobody that could do anything about it cared enough to listen.
Everybody in certain locations was still getting dosed with dioxins from old-generation designed transformers, for example.
There were ample warnings from certain people in regards to the dioxin specifically as well as many other highly toxic substances that we now either banned or highly control today.
The fact that they {the messengers telling of pollution} were being treated in a highly discriminatory and derogatory manner.
They were called hippies! So therefore it somehow excused public officials not to listen to them in the first place!



The fact is that CO2 in the atmosphere does have an effect on thermal conductivity of the planet's atmosphere.
I think that most people here are scientific minded, and have studied it enough to realize that human influenced climate-shift in regards to atmospheric CO2 is factual.
I think where the controversy lays is in how much effect that atmospheric CO2 has in regards to thermal-conductivity of the atmosphere, either global warming/or, cooling effects.

I did not hear in those Alex Jones radio-blurbs of Al Gore, with Al Gore saying anything about anybody turning anybody in for any violations of any kind whatsoever, environmental or otherwise.

So I would conclude that in this case, Al Jones is fear mongering.

I think all you got to do is look at the basic rule of greed to answer certain questions about certain people's motives regarding this topic.
When it's not only about money it's definitely all about power.

Using energy in certain ways has locked us in for a long time. Certain individuals in the world have taken far too much advantage over us for long enough to reach a breaking point.
The questions are; shall the power and energy companies be permitted to break the country of all control of its wealth and treasure? Or will the majority of the population in this country decide to make certain changes, for the betterment of the vast majority of its citizens?

Besides, For example:

If we were energy independent, we could eventually invest in oil from where ever we can get it as cheap as we can get it when we wanted to.
Utilizing private investment and government investment they, we, us, could pump it back into the ground, so we have a vast amount of strategic [both public and private] oil in times when we will need it later in the future for national security both militarily and financially.

There is a vast amount of desert that solar panels can be put in.
However, there are some greenies that are afraid that somehow there's something in the sand that lives there.
They expressed concerns about the solar panels.
They were concerned that it will kill something, but they don't say exactly what or how.

As a person whom owns an older car in California, (who can not afford to go out and just buy brand new one that doesn't pollute as much). So I do have my paranoid fears about the government not allowing me use of my own vehicle anymore because it's a pre-2004 your model in fact, it's a pre-1980 year model. But that's another topic.
I share some of the frustrations about, (the) not in my backyard backward thinking green want to be; B S-or’s
That being said:

From what I can tell, Al Jones hates hippies!
I can understand some people's resentments, because I have seen how some people have represented hippiedom.
By the way, hippie could mean just about anything.
Some people that I know of that are and or have been called hippies were or are what I would call gross polluters! But so what!

I notice whenever there is resentment expressed so vehemently as did Al Jones in radio show segments < Anonym zu www.prisonplanet.com/state-brainwashing-children-to-re-educate-their-parents-for-green-dictatorship.html > that emotion and prejudice somehow gets tied together to create some kind of a paranoid fantasy to amplify whatever the guys personal opinion for or against something is so he can get some kind of support like financial support because he's in a radio show.

Were any of those children indoctrinated by Al Gore, specifically on the extreme levels like this you tube trailer for Jesus Camp? <YouTube - jesus camp trailer >
The above link is what I would call an example of what brainwashing children really looks and sounds like.
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Has anybody here ever experienced or tried the refrigerator experiment that I've posted earlier in this thread?
Have you ever thought that maybe global warming has to do with evaporating water at a higher rate from oceans and lakes? Also that it would accumulate mostly at the coldest places where the majority of the mass of water vapor, which in this case is likely to be frozen on above sea level landmass at the South Pole continent?


I think the most important thing to consider is that we all know the weather, i.e. the environment; naturally changes all of the time.
That doesn't mean that we should ignore things we know that do influence our lives in regards to our own environment-changing behavior.


What about the sea levels rising?
Do you think there's enough comments from outer space, landing on the planet that are composed mostly of water that are doing so much that the sea levels have risen as much as they have in the past 20 years? I doubt it!


I think that just because there are more eyes watching things.
More ice accumulating In the South Pole on its own by itself doesn't prove much in regards to global climate change. However, along with all the other evidence mainly that sea level has been steadily raising more than merely suggests that global warming has been occurring; its actual evidence.

Al Gore to Children: Don't Listen to your Parents! parts 1 & 2








State Brainwashing Children To “Re-Educate” Their Parents For Green Dictatorship
Kids being brainwashed into informing on their families, following pattern of totalitarian societies throughout history

A massive program with its tentacles embedded into almost every corner of education and popular culture is underway to use the “green” agenda to brainwash children and turn them against their own parents, as the state moves towards the creation of a Stasi-style informant society using methods that have been repeated in every totalitarian state throughout history.
The controversy surrounding Al Gore’s comments during a speech at the University of Maryland Presidential Youth Inaugural Conference, during which he pitted children against their parents by telling them they “know more” about global warming, is merely the tip of the iceberg of a top-down movement that is mimicking a technique that dictatorships have practiced throughout history - the exploitation and brainwashing of children to turn them into Maoist, Stasi, Hitler Youth-style informants and enforcers against their own family and community...

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Hotspring,

That wasn't Alex Jones in the radio clip but Glen Beck of CNN/Fox fame.

I believe Beck is a propagandist, and I was reluctant to use the clips from his radio show - but it was the only interview with the father available at the time. Beck has lately been acting like he's on the people's side, talking about the New World Order and saying he's a Libertarian, but but it wasn't too long ago when he was saying that Ron Paul supporters should be put in camps. Propaganda is often used to divide the people, and considering Beck's hippie comments, I think this is an example of that.

Many say that Alex Jones is a fear monger - at least at first. Here's a pretty amazing short clip of him "fear mongering" in 2001 (it's real):

LinkAlexJuly2001

and way back in 1997:

LinkVintageAlex

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“Climate models are useless.” “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists."

The above quotes come from retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist Dr. John S. Theon, former supervisor to James Hanson, the global warming fearmonger. Theon has stated that Hanson " embarrassed NASA" with his alarming climate claims.

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

more on global warming fear monger James Hansen and climate modelers:




'We have only four years left to act on climate change - America has to lead'

Jim Hansen is the 'grandfather of climate change' and one of the world's leading climatologists. In this rare interview in New York, he explains why President Obama's administration is the last chance to avoid flooded cities, species extinction and climate catastrophe
grandfather of climate change



Did Media Or NASA Withhold Climate History Data Changes From The Public? (article from 2007)

A change in climate history data at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies recently occurred which dramatically alters the debate over global warming. Yet, this transpired with no official announcement from GISS head James Hansen, and went unreported until Steve McIntyre of Climate Audit discovered it Wednesday. For some background, one of the key tenets of the global warming myth being advanced by Hansen and soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore is that nine of the ten warmest years in history have occurred since 1995. McIntyre has been crunching the numbers used to determine such things as published by GISS, and has identified that the data have recently changed such that four of the top ten warmest years in American history occurred in the 1930s, with the warmest now in 1934 instead of the much-publicized 1998...
Climate History Data Changes


Stimulus Plan: Non-Existent Unemployed Climate Modelers Get $140 Million

President Barack Obama’s trillion dollar stimulus plan, has morphed into an appropriations bill devoid of debate. The process forgoes any pretense of targeting unemployed people and resources. For instance, the bill reads “Provided further, That not less than $140,000,000 shall be available for climate data modeling.” This raises the question of how many unemployed climate modelers are out there pounding the pavement...

When presented with that question, last Friday, Pat Michaels, former president of the American Association of State Climatologists stated “I don’t know one unemployed modeler.” Whether or not another $140,000,000 for climate data modeling is a good idea, it is hard to see an immediate, economy-stimulating impact from this item. What’s the rush? Maybe they need to get all their modeling done before another cool year highlights how bad the models are.

https://anonym.to/?https://blog.heri...t-140-million/

[OrchardDweller]

Gore still insists there is a consensus on man-made global warming!


Gore Denies that Ken Lay, Goldman Sachs CEOs Helped Develop C02 Trading 'Scheme'

[Speak2Truth]

Beck has lately been acting like he's on the people's side, talking about the New World Order and saying he's a Libertarian, but but it wasn't too long ago when he was saying that Ron Paul supporters should be put in camps.

Beck used to work for CNN. Now he works for FOX. I suspect Beck is more free to speak his mind on FOX, a station where commentators are up-front about their politics and ideologies.

I appreciated the Alex Jones video but I also predicted a second attack on the World Trade Centers for reasons that I believe are more sound.

Saddam Hussein made the threat and indications are that he followed through. Have a look:

Speak2Truth's Blog on Yahoo!

[Speak2Truth]

Gore still insists there is a consensus on man-made global warming!

He is studiously sticking to his script. That guy is such a fraud! He, along with Michael Gorbachev and other bad actors, set up this ripoff scheme and rushed it through our Congress as well as many other nations. Now it's all about Carbon Taxation and even though Gore's Hockey-stick graph is broken there's no way to get rid of the asset seizures by the crooks in power. They'll　ｎｅｖｅｒ　ｌｅｔ　ｇｏ！