Book Is Rallying Resistance to the Antivaccine Crusade

[phooph]

If you noticed, the first article was of a scientific origin.

Yes, Horowitz is a nutcase, however, don't dismiss everything he says. Much of the information I gleaned in the 90s before Horowitz arrived on the scene so he did not originate it. He has sensationalized and embellished it for purposes of self interest but he didn't simply invent it all.

The origin of HIV is still a puzzle as it does not follow the usual routes of infection.

PDF from The American Scientist
https://www.ohsu.edu/gha/docs/MooreAmSci.pdf.

Internet Article:The Origin of Aids

The Secret Origins of AIDS: Facts, Fallacies & Conspiracy Theories

Hepatitis B vaccine experiment

I don't have time to research all the claims made by Horowitz, but at first glance he seemed a little suspect for recommending silver for HIV!

After a bit of research, I am convinced that Doctor of Dentistry Horowitz is a certified nut-job! He is all about selling his books, quack remedies, 'personal consultations' and high-priced speaking engagements. Check this out...he says Kissinger is the Beast of Revelation! But the word vaccination also comes out to be 666. Wow.

Bible Code Discovery Proves "Beast" Identity And Global Conspiracy
"Sandpoint, ID - The identity of the notorious "beast" that prospers from the greatest plagues in history is offered as prophetic revelation in a new book by award winning health science writer, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz. The revelation makes it possible, for the first time, to prove statistically, a global genocidal conspiracy.

According to the Bible, during the End Times tribulation, God's counsel to humanity for physical and spiritual salvation from the prophesied plagues involves gaining encrypted "wisdom," a code, that identifies the deceptive culprits in a global conspiracy to commit genocide, that is, the mass killing of people for economic gain. The Book of Revelation (21:9) implicates idol worshipers who misuse drugs, and their power, in connection with what might best be called "iatrogenocide" in which malpracticing M.D.s-medical dieties-have been increasingly implicated. In Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare (Tetrahedron Publishing Group, 2001; 1-888-508-4787), this secret code and hidden intelligence is detailed. Hinting the beast's number-"666"-is also the name of a man, Revelation 13:18, advises the wise to "count" to determine the devildoer's identities. Counting a name, according to Dr. Horowitz's book, requires an alphanumeric code which apparently relates to the multiples of six (6), whereby A=6, B=12, C=18 and so on through the letter Z. Assigning these numbers to the letters of suspected villains reveals the conspirators in a statistically provable global conspiracy."

"Among the names of leading suspects," Dr. Horowitz advises, "[Henry] Kissinger is the only name that decodes to '666'."

[oldrose]

Ah yes.
I remember those blissful hot summer days when people were running scared of the polio epidemics.
I remember going to school with children who were in iron lungs,
I remember the friends that lost their lives when they contracted polio,
I remember the swimming pools that lay waiting for the sounds of children, but none came because parents linked swimming and polio outbreaks.
I remember the lines of parents and children waiting for hours to get their first oral polio vaccine.
I have friends today still living with the results of polio that are worsening as they age.
I remember those days, but not fondly.

[MsTerry]

Here is a link for you, to show you how they handled Measles in those good old days.

Blinkx Video: The Brady Bunch : Is There a Doctor in the House?

Ah yes.
I remember those blissful hot summer days when people were running scared of the polio epidemics.
I remember going to school with children who were in iron lungs,
I remember the friends that lost their lives when they contracted polio,
I remember the swimming pools that lay waiting for the sounds of children, but none came because parents linked swimming and polio outbreaks.
I remember the lines of parents and children waiting for hours to get their first oral polio vaccine.
I have friends today still living with the results of polio that are worsening as they age.
I remember those days, but not fondly.

[Sylph]

LOL! I can't believe I watched the whole thing. It was like a video equivalent of eating a Little Debbie vanilla cupcake, so sweet it can kill ya'!

Very interesting that they challenged the traditional roles of male/female doctors and nurses, even asserting that "men can be nurses, too!" Good for the Bradys.
I loved the canteloupe colored formica and olive green appliances.

Some nits to pick:
Mr. Brady almost certainly would have been immune as he would have had the measles already. Anyone born before 1957 is considered to be immune.
The kids wouldn't have been so chirpy with a 101 degree fever.
Think of 6 kids each having exposed a classroom of 30 other children. 180 kids likely getting measles and all their siblings! A nightmare.
Those insufferable kids would have to be taken care of for at least 4 days while they were in isolation. At least they had a stay-at-home mom and plucky, yet horribly annoying, Alice to help out!

Here is a link for you, to show you how they handled Measles in those good old days.

Blinkx Video: The Brady Bunch : Is There a Doctor in the House?

[MsTerry]

The kids wouldn't have been so chirpy with a 101 degree fever.

I agree with that assessment, but of course you are sidestepping the fact that measles weren't always this dreaded disease.
No vaccines in the 70's???
No one mentions the word................................

[Sylph]

I agree with that assessment, but of course you are sidestepping the fact that measles weren't always this dreaded disease.
No vaccines in the 70's???
No one mentions the word................................

C'mon, it's the Bradys! Do you think Marsha would go to the hospital with encephalitis? That's not a happy story line! Even Alice would have a hard time mustering a cheerful wisecrack.

There were 304 deaths in the 70's.


Abstract: The National Hospital Discharge Survey of
the National Center for Health Statistics was analyzed for
measles hospitalizations. From 1970-1978 there were an
estimated 52,301 hospitalizations for measles, or approximately
5,800 per year. The median patient age was three
years, and the median length of stay was four days. Fortyone
per cent of the discharges listed respiratory complications,
10 per cent listed otitis media, and 3 per cent listed
neurologic complications. Based on this analysis, hospitalizations
for measles accounted for 314,063 hospital days
during the period 1970-1978.

Reported

cases of measles have declined dramatically in

the United States since

the introduction of measles vaccine

in

1963. Despite considerable progress in decreasing the

incidence of

the disease, however, measles has continued to
be a cause of considerable morbidity during the 1970s.
(Am

J Public Health 1982;
72:1037-1039.)

https://www.ajph.org/cgi/reprint/72/9/1037.pdf

[phooph]

Ah yes.
I remember those blissful hot summer days when people were running scared of the polio epidemics.
I remember going to school with children who were in iron lungs,
I remember the friends that lost their lives when they contracted polio,
I remember the swimming pools that lay waiting for the sounds of children, but none came because parents linked swimming and polio outbreaks.
I remember the lines of parents and children waiting for hours to get their first oral polio vaccine.
I have friends today still living with the results of polio that are worsening as they age.
I remember those days, but not fondly.

I remember years ago reading about polio outbreaks among previously vaccinated populations in which those vaccinated were the only ones to get the disease. This was years after the vaccination so it seems as if the vaccine either weakened their immunity or dormant microbes from the vaccine morphed into active disease producers. So I went hunting and found a list of cases in which the vaccinated were susceptible to the disease. Some of these are older cases and vaccines have evolved some since then, but not much. Also check the link at the bottom that shows graphs of disease incidence relative to vaccination.

HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES

- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. (The Hadwen Documents)

- In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)

- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)

- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

- In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )

- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)

- In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

-The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

- In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

- In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)

- In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)

- In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

- In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

- On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Report by Michael Devitt)

GRAPHICAL EVIDENCE SHOWS VACCINES DIDN'T SAVE US

DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION

WHY VACCINES ARE INEFFECTIVE

WHY VACCINES ARE HARMFUL

WHY VACCINATION CONTINUES

THE BENEFICIAL NATURE OF CHILDHOOD INFECTION

HEALTH - THE ONLY IMMUNITY

THE HOPEWOOD CHILDREN - AUSTRALIA'S HEALTHIEST KIDS

[phooph]

I agree with that assessment, but of course you are sidestepping the fact that measles weren't always this dreaded disease.
No vaccines in the 70's???
No one mentions the word................................

I had the measles in 1953. I was not very sick and enjoying staying home from school till my mother took me to the doctor who gave me an injection that made me very ill for the next several days.

[Braggi]

I agree with that assessment, but of course you are sidestepping the fact that measles weren't always this dreaded disease.
No vaccines in the 70's???
No one mentions the word................................

MsTerry, you're really being an ignoramus or just a total jerk on this topic.

You need to look at some pictures: measles death - Google Image Search

Measles caused blindness

A concise little article for you.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

Jeff,
stop being so condescending,
this is from your little article

Today the AP reported that the number of measles cases in the US is at its highest level since 1997 - with nearly half of those cases involving children whose parents rejected vaccinations.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS???
I'll spell it out for you
MORE THAN HALF DID HAVE VACCINATIONS, AND STILL GOT THE MEASLES.

MsTerry, you're really being an ignoramus or just a total jerk on this topic.

You need to look at some pictures: measles death - Google Image Search

Measles caused blindness

A concise little article for you.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

That's right, it's the goody-two-shoes-all-wholesome-american Brady Bunch.
Do you think they were advocating not to vaccinate?

C'mon, it's the Bradys! Do you think Marsha would go to the hospital with encephalitis? That's not a happy story line! Even Alice would have a hard time mustering a cheerful wisecrack.

[Braggi]

...
MORE THAN HALF DID HAVE VACCINATIONS, AND STILL GOT THE MEASLES.

Again, are you just being a jerk or do you actually fail to understand the science here? (That's not fair, I know, because you won't answer this question. But then, you're known for stirring the pot without being personally forthcoming or taking responsibility. It's a rhetorical question for the other readers.)

Those who are not vaccinating are creating the conditions that allow outbreaks of measles in the wider population.

Not everyone gets equal protection from the vaccine. That's why it's vitally important that everyone gets vaccinated so your unvaccinated child doesn't become the vector that infects my responsibly vaccinated child.

Hugs,

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff
Please stop the fingerpointing
Since science has not been able to pinpoint the source of measles, it also hasn't been able to pinpoint the person who infects others.
Please stop turning people against each other.

Again, are you just being a jerk or do you actually fail to understand the science here? (That's not fair, I know, because you won't answer this question. But then, you're known for stirring the pot without being personally forthcoming or taking responsibility. It's a rhetorical question for the other readers.)

Those who are not vaccinating are creating the conditions that allow outbreaks of measles in the wider population.

Not everyone gets equal protection from the vaccine. That's why it's vitally important that everyone gets vaccinated so your unvaccinated child doesn't become the vector that infects my responsibly vaccinated child.

Hugs,

-Jeff

[Sylph]

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff
Please stop the fingerpointing
Since science has been able to pinpoint the source of measles, it also hasn't been able to pinpoint the person who infects others.
Please stop turning people against each other.

Since science has (not?) been able to pinpoint the source of measles, it also hasn't been able to pinpoint the person who infects others

If that is what you mean, public health authorities usually can pinpoint the actual person who infects others. Usually an unvaccinated person who travels from a country where vaccination rates are low. Where does measles or any of these diseases come from before that? They evolved over millions of years to be good at spreading themselves around....they are survivors.

[Sylph]

Vaccines are not perfect. But, the risk/benefit ration greatly favors vaccination of populations. We are too young, most of us, to remember tragedies from infectious disease. I remember that my grandmother "almost died" from typhoid fever, but that is just a second hand family tale.

I addressed some of Phooph's citations above:
Polio in Oman 1988-1989, new strategies needed in some areas to fight polio
https://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/5/936
In the seroconversion study conducted after the outbreak, 89%. 100% and 50% of infants had detectable antibodies to types 1, 2, and 3, respectively, after four doses of OPV. Low responses to type 3 were also associated with the occurrence of sporadic cases of type 3 poliomyelitis in 1991, in spite of high rates of coverage with at least four doses of OPV (>96%) throughout the country. These findings demonstrate that antibody responses to OPV may vary widely within individual countries, and that a uniform strategy to deliver at least three doses in routine programmes may be insufficient to achieve elimination of wild poliovirus infection.

AAPS votes for resolution against mandatory vaccinations, (no surprise!)
https://overlawyered.com/2006/03/american-association-of-physicians-and-surgeons/
The AAPS sounds really legit, but they are a maverick group for abstinence-only sex ed, among other things. They’re anti abortion and against single payer or government administered health care.
Before citing to AAPS publications as one might cite to JAMA or The Lancet, however, it would be wise to read this and learn more about the group’s indulgence for anti-vaccine, anti-fluoridation and anti-gay crankery, as well as what one of its contributors regards as the superiority of "the creation religion of Jehovah" over the "religion of evolutionary humanism". On the vaccine issue, at least, "the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons [has been] transformed into one of the primary media allies of litigators and plaintiffs seeking to review medical care after the fact, and find legal fault with physicians, vaccine developers and public health authorities who exercised accepted standards of care prevalent at the time they made their decisions." (Kathleen Seidel, Mar. 12).

Whooping cough occurs in fully vaccinated. Immunization scheduled need to be fine-tuned.
Whooping cough---a continuing problem -- Crowcroft and Britto 324 (7353): 1537 -- BMJ
News media announced a global resurgence of whooping cough in April this year(2002) following a session on pertussis at the 12th European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases in Milan, Italy. Subsequently the European Union sent an alert to member states. Pertussis is one of the top causes of vaccine preventable deaths, with nearly 300 000 deaths in children worldwide in 2000.¹ However, reports of a global resurgence originated in countries with low mortality and high vaccination coverage. For such countries the issue is how to fine tune effective immunisation programmes. In the rest of the world, priorities are to decrease infant mortality by improving coverage and timeliness of vaccination and implementing pertussis surveillance.²
Pertussis has re-emerged in low mortality countries in the past because of low coverage after a vaccine scare in the 1980s (in the United Kingdom) or the use of vaccines with poor efficacy (Canada, Sweden).³ Sweden . .

In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)

I can’t find this anywhere but in the anti-vax sites. Google Scholar only has an anti-vax book. No link to the actual study, if it exists.

I got my hep B vax years ago, as I work with needles!

[MsTerry]

If that is what you mean, public health authorities usually can pinpoint the actual person who infects others.

If they REALLY can pinpoint the person who infects others, they must have been able to find the source of measles, right?

Usually an unvaccinated person who travels from a country where vaccination rates are low.

those darn foreigners

Where does measles or any of these diseases come from before that?

That is the real question

They evolved over millions of years to be good at spreading themselves around....they are survivors

That sounds like some solid scientific do-higgie

Where do those measles keep on coming from? France?

[Braggi]

... I can’t find this anywhere but in the anti-vax sites. Google Scholar only has an anti-vax book. No link to the actual study, if it exists.

I got my hep B vax years ago, as I work with needles!

Harvard Medical School provides heb B vaccines for all its medical students.

-Jeff

[Sylph]

It's the Swiss who have the lowest vaccination rates in Europe due to their intense individualistic outlook.
Question: Where do you think these diseases come from, MsTerry?

Swiss need booster to meet measles target - swissinfo
"The vaccination rate in Switzerland is increasing very slowly, and there is a worry that it is not increasing fast enough to reach this 95 per cent target," Jean-Luc Richard of the health office's epidemiology and infectious diseases division told swissinfo.
The current outbreak, which the health office has classed as an "epidemic", has seen 414 infections since January, of which more than half have occurred in canton Lucerne.
"In Lucerne there is a higher proportion of the population that uses alternative medicine and they tend to vaccinate less against measles," explained Richard

[MsTerry]

So I guess you are warning us against those 400 swiss measley people? How about swiss cheese? or your favourite swiss chocolate? Swiss Watches maybe?
No death warning there either, are they to healthy to die from the measles?

It's the Swiss who have the lowest vaccination rates in Europe due to their intense individualistic outlook.
Question: Where do you think these diseases come from, MsTerry?

Swiss need booster to meet measles target - swissinfo
"The vaccination rate in Switzerland is increasing very slowly, and there is a worry that it is not increasing fast enough to reach this 95 per cent target," Jean-Luc Richard of the health office's epidemiology and infectious diseases division told swissinfo.
The current outbreak, which the health office has classed as an "epidemic", has seen 414 infections since January, of which more than half have occurred in canton Lucerne.
"In Lucerne there is a higher proportion of the population that uses alternative medicine and they tend to vaccinate less against measles," explained Richard

[Sylph]

Detail- swissinfo
"Contrary to what people believe, measles is not always a minor illness. Of those who contracted the disease in recent months, one in ten had to go to hospital, about 30 people were diagnosed with pneumonia and four children developed encephalitis - a brain inflammation.

In the worst case, measles can cause death.

The relatively low rate of vaccination coverage against measles in Switzerland can also be explained by critical voices, especially those advocating natural remedies.

It is not a coincidence that this medical theory is well installed in the Lucerne region"

I can almost forgive the Swiss, as they excel in that great chocolate and cheese.
As you can see, many people got very sick in spite of not living in the Third World. Encephalitis can cause permanent disability. I guess your point is that if nobody dies, everything is OK.

YouTube - Vaccine Myths Episode 2 - The Great Graph Illusion
misleading graphs shown by anti-vaccination groups

[MsTerry]

Of those who contracted the disease in recent months, one in ten had to go to hospital, about 30 people were diagnosed with pneumonia

Sylph, you as a nurse know that there are many different kinds of pneumonias. Some more severe than others. Which did those Swiss get?
It probably was this one

Hospital-acquired pneumonia

Main article: Hospital-acquired pneumonia

Hospital-acquired pneumonia, also called nosocomial pneumonia, is pneumonia acquired during or after hospitalization for another illness or procedure with onset at least 72 hrs after admission. The causes, microbiology, treatment and prognosis are different from those of community-acquired pneumonia. Up to 5% of patients admitted to a hospital for other causes subsequently develop pneumonia. Hospitalized patients may have many risk factors for pneumonia, including mechanical ventilation, prolonged malnutrition, underlying heart and lung diseases, decreased amounts of stomach acid, and immune disturbances. Additionally, the microorganisms a person is exposed to in a hospital are often different from those at home . Hospital-acquired microorganisms may include resistant bacteria such as MRSA, Pseudomonas, Enterobacter, and Serratia. Because individuals with hospital-acquired pneumonia usually have underlying illnesses and are exposed to more dangerous bacteria, it tends to be more deadly than community-acquired pneumonia.

or maybe this one

Ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP) is a sub-type of hospital-acquired pneumonia (HAP) which occurs in people who are on mechanical ventilation through an endotracheal or tracheostomy tube for at least 48 hours. VAP is a medical condition that results from infection which floods the small, air-filled sacs (alveoli) in the lung responsible for absorbing oxygen from the atmosphere. VAP is distinguished from other kinds of infectious pneumonia because of the different types of microorganisms responsible, antibiotics used to treat, methods of diagnosis, ultimate prognosis, and effective preventive measures. In the community pneumonia is most often caused by S. pneumoniae, H. influenzae, or S. aureus. However, in the hospital the organism associated with pneumonia is most often Pseudomonas, regardless of whether or not the patient is ventilated. In order for a patient to have VAP they have to be on a ventilator; it’s not the organism that distinguishes VAP, it's the fact that the patient is on a ventilator.

[Sylph]

Sylph, you as a nurse know that there are many different kinds of pneumonias. Some more severe than others. Which did those Swiss get?

Measles can be confirmed, (and was confirmed according to the article) by blood test. It's also very characteristic by pathology. Here is the type the kids with measles get. What a mess, (on a microscopic level)! No wonder they can't breathe. Obviously, this kind of lung damage is enough to make someone seriously ill.
I suppose, if the poor kid comes in with a measles pneumonia, (quite distinct) he could also get a secondary ventilator pneumonia, with substandard care. All preventable with vaccinations.
YouTube - Histopathology Lung--Measles pneumonia

(MsTerry, you can do better than this! :D)

[MsTerry]

I suppose, if the poor kid comes in with a measles pneumonia, (quite distinct) he could also get a secondary ventilator pneumonia, with substandard care.

Many people leave the hospital sicker than when they entered,Hospital Pneumonia is one of the causes.
"measles pneumonia" is just a group name, but isn't just exclusively tied to the measles.

Gremillion DH ; Crawford GE

Measles occurred in 3,220 Air Force recruits between January 1976 and July 1979 and was complicated by pneumonia in 106 cases (3.3 percent). Although no deaths occurred, the illness was characterized as clinically severe with high fever and prolonged hospitalization (mean, 14.5 days). Bacterial superinfection as documented by transtracheal aspiration occurred in 35 cases (30.3 percent) and was caused by Hemophilus influenzae (18), Hemophilus parainfluenzae (two), Neisseria meningitidis (nine), Streptococcus pneumoniae (three), Streptococcus pyogenes (two) and Moraxella kingae (one). Clinical evidence of bronchospasm was present in 18 patients (17 percent) and required bronchodilators in six. Other complications included liver function abnormalities (31 percent), otitis media (29 percent) and sinusitis (25 percent). Measles pneumonia in adolescents is clinically severe with a generally benign outcome.

• PreMedline Identifier: 7282741

Any youtube on that?

[d-cat]

Good discussion going on here but it reminds me of the discussion on the original 'Global Warming Fraud' thread way back when, where people were debating over technical info and charts, when all they needed to do was look into the people pushing global warming.

I think one can get a different perspective on vaccinations by looking into the pharmaceudical companies who are pushing and profiting from them. I don't remember the exact figures anymore but Merck is making many tens of billions on "compulsory" vaccinations. Drug companies aren't your friends; they are interested in profits. The pharmaceudical industrial complex doesn't want a healthy population - there would be no sick people to profit off of. I understand that this is the reason why they don't teach much about preventive care or nutrition in medical schools.

Bayer Spreads HIV Worldwide
YouTube - BAYER AG CORP. (Aspirin) SPREADS HIV WORLDWIDE

Look into the very real subject of population control/depopulation. Or Rockefeller's American Cancer Society. Don't you find it odd that there has been no real advancement in the treatment of cancer decade after decade? Or that patients who refuse chemo live longer than those who undergo it? Why does the govt ban alternative therapies to the "terminally ill", when the accepted treatment has such poor results, forcing doctors and patients to give/get treatment abroad? There is a lot of very interesting info on cancer online for anyone interested:

ALIVE AND WELL by Philip E. Binzel, Jr., M.D.
YouTube - Healing Cancer from Inside Out (trailer)
G. Edward Griffin - A World Without Cancer - The Story Of Vitamin B17
The science and politics of cancer : Edward Griffin

Whether one believes in vaccinations or not, the government (who is in cahoots with the drug industry - research Rumsfeld and aspartame) does not have the authority to tell you that you have to take vaccinations (according to Dr. Ron Paul, M.D.). That is why they have to lie about vaccinations being mandatory. And why they don't tell you about the waivers. But try to force you they will, first starting with the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, and followed by something they slipped into one of the bills following 911 (sorry I forget which bill) which allows them to imprison you if you refuse vaccinations.

This is the reason why Dr. Lima Laibow of Natural Solutions Foundations, and her husband, two star general and former head of Army Special Forces, Major General Albert Stubblebein (who refers to chemtrails as "soft kill" operations) moved to Panama and refuse to re-enter the US. I had posted recently a rather shocking interview of Dr. Laibow on the Global Warming Agenda thread in WaccoTalk for anyone interested. Or visit their website at Health Freedom Threats: Codex, FDA, Vaccinations, GMOs :: HealthFreedomUSA.org and learn about Codex Alimentarius (and how they are taking away our right to vitamin supplements, among other things).

More info on vaccinations can be found here:
Vaccines: The Deadly Cure - Immunization Dangers and the Global Revolt Against Vaccines
"This research archive is a compilation of information concerning mercury in vaccines, their link to autism, other vaccine controversies, and the nationwide hoax that vaccines are mandatory."

[Braggi]

Good discussion going on here but it reminds me ... why they don't teach much about preventive care or nutrition in medical schools.
...

Well, it was an OK discussion. First I'll ask what medical school it is that you recently graduated from? It is precisely those medical schools you deride that do the studies that prove how important preventive care and nutrition are. Who do you suppose is doing these studies? Homeopaths? Naturopaths? Acupuncturists? Ayurvedic "doctors?" Hardly. It's medical students at medical schools and other institutes of higher learning. Graduates of these places are the doctors and scientists that are furthering the causes of health and healing.

Do you actually know anybody in the healing arts, d-cat? And I mean real medical doctors and nurses, or people who do pharmacological research? I know dozens of them personally and there is not a single one that wishes to make people ill or keep ill people sick. That's such a twisted point of view. I suggest a good therapist. You need help.

I'll just reply that every sentence in your post is garbage. I won't honor it with a line by line reply.

I really think you ought to just hole up in your bunker and never come out. The world isn't a safe enough place for you. There's someone around every corner wanting to take away your otherwise myriad choices.

Gads, we have too many freedoms and too much time on our hands and too few challenges in life if this is what we spend our time on.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

One thing I would like to post after Braggi's reply is that I do not believe doctors are intentionally hurting people, and I have never stated or insinuated that. Braggi often puts words in people's mouths. And Braggi, I come from a family of doctors and dentists, not that that matters at all. The info (often by doctors and researchers) is available to anyone.

[phooph]

Thanks for the information. There is no doubt that there are those on both sides of the issue who are driven by the profit motive and willing to mislead.

One of the great criticisms of childhood vaccinations is that they are given to tiny babies with immature immune systems. When Japan moved the earliest date for vaccinations to 24 months, the number and severity of adverse reactions and deaths fell by 85-90%. The age at which doctors are telling parents is to vaccinate is 3 - 6 months, and then they are given the combo shots - MMR and DPT, which can overwhelm the immune systems. These are combined not for the good of the child, but for the convenience.

The appearance of SIDS is a modern phenomenon associated with the advent of infant vaccinations, and the DPT in particular. The majority of cases occur within hours or days of vaccination, an observation that led both Wyeth and Connaught Laboratories to include a warning in their DPT inserts beginnning in the 80s. The USA Patriot Act, which includes language allowing for the forced mass vaccinations of populations to protect against biological attacks also includes language protecting vaccine manufacturers from legal responsibility for adverse reactions and deaths from vaccines. The drug industry no longer has a legal need to inform anyone of any possible adverse reactions to any vaccines.

Because one strain of human papiloma virus (HPV) can cause cervical cancer, the new HPV vaccine, Gardasil, is now required for female immigrants and is being heavily promoted as a required vaccination for all school children. Some states are already mandating it. Males can aquire and spread the diease but don't run the cancer risk. The current publicity campaign and resulting increasing use is producing an expected percentage of adverse reactions including paralysis and death. There is also a growing body of criticism from those in the medical community regarding a drug who's long term effects are still unknown and for which there is no high benefit to risk ratio. Most HPV is benign, and this program is seen as another revenue enhancement program by Merck Pharmeceuticals that could harm more individuals than it protects.

Detail- swissinfo
"Contrary to what people believe, measles is not always a minor illness. Of those who contracted the disease in recent months, one in ten had to go to hospital, about 30 people were diagnosed with pneumonia and four children developed encephalitis - a brain inflammation.

In the worst case, measles can cause death.

The relatively low rate of vaccination coverage against measles in Switzerland can also be explained by critical voices, especially those advocating natural remedies.

It is not a coincidence that this medical theory is well installed in the Lucerne region"

I can almost forgive the Swiss, as they excel in that great chocolate and cheese.
As you can see, many people got very sick in spite of not living in the Third World. Encephalitis can cause permanent disability. I guess your point is that if nobody dies, everything is OK.

YouTube - Vaccine Myths Episode 2 - The Great Graph Illusion
misleading graphs shown by anti-vaccination groups

[d-cat]

The USA Patriot Act, which includes language allowing for the forced mass vaccinations of populations to protect against biological attacks also includes language protecting vaccine manufacturers from legal responsibility for adverse reactions and deaths from vaccines.

I forgot about that! Yes, this is true!

And I should mention that one biological attack we had here was the anthrax scare after 911, and the weapons grade anthrax that was circulating originated from Fort Dietrich in Maryland. This is an accepted fact and has even been reported on The History Channel:

YouTube - History Channel on Anthrax Attacks 01/2008



p.s many thanks for your informative posts on this thread

[Braggi]

One thing I would like to post after Braggi's reply is that I do not believe doctors are intentionally hurting people, and I have never stated or insinuated that. ...

"I think one can get a different perspective on vaccinations by looking into the pharmaceudical companies who are pushing and profiting from them. I don't remember the exact figures anymore but Merck is making many tens of billions on "compulsory" vaccinations. Drug companies aren't your friends; they are interested in profits. The pharmaceudical industrial complex doesn't want a healthy population - there would be no sick people to profit off of. I understand that this is the reason why they don't teach much about preventive care or nutrition in medical schools. ... "

Do you think there are no doctors working for "the pharmaceutical companies?"

d-cat, I agree there are conflicts of interest in our medical system. However, the vast, vast majority of "Big Pharma" works only in the best interests of you and me. When they have success with a medicine, they make a lot of money from it and rightfully so. It is certainly in their best interests to put their drugs in the best possible light, and there is the conflict. Sometimes they cheat on studies, mostly by excluding the studies that show their drugs don't work that well. OK, we agree.

That has rarely been the case with vaccines. The science is solid. Vaccines work and are statistically safe. Yes, some people have had and will have bad reactions. But so many fewer than would have had terrible illnesses that it is more than worthwhile to vaccinate.

-Jeff

[d-cat]

again Braggi, if your research brings you to a different conclusion than mine did, feel free to get your vaccinations and take pharmaceuticals. I believe it should be a personal choice.