Fluoride in Drinking Water

[d-cat]

Shocking True Story (military vaccines)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npWPwLcUyw0

[Sylph]

[quote=d-cat;72160]Shocking True Story (military vaccines)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npWPwLcUyw0[/quote]
I'm with you here, I suspect the military went way overboard in trying to protect soldiers from the nonexistant microbes in Iraq, with deleterious effects for some.

I acknowledge that vaccines are not perfect. They can harm and even kill some children. It's the risk/benefit ratio...the big picture.
What would the anti-vax folks suggest to protect against measles, pertussis, polio, etc ?

Read the following from WHO, just an exerpt...Six million kids saved annually worldwide! I guess that is just a lie from Big Pharma....sigh:

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/index.html
printable version
Vaccination greatly reduces disease, disability, death and inequity worldwide

FE Andre ^a, R Booy ^b, HL Bock ^c, J Clemens ^d, SK Datta ^c, TJ John ^e, BW Lee ^f, S Lolekha ^g, H Peltola ^h, TA Ruff ⁱ, M Santosham ^j, HJ Schmitt ^k

Introduction

Vaccination has greatly reduced the burden of infectious diseases. Only clean water, also considered to be a basic human right, performs better.¹ Paradoxically, a vociferous antivaccine lobby thrives today in spite of the undeniable success of vaccination programmes against formerly fearsome diseases that are now rare in developed countries.²
Understandably, vaccine safety gets more public attention than vaccination effectiveness, but independent experts and WHO have shown that vaccines are far safer than therapeutic medicines.^2,3 Modern research has spurred the development of less reactogenic products, such as acellular pertussis vaccines and rabies vaccines produced in cell culture. Today, vaccines have an excellent safety record and most vaccine scares have been shown to be false alarms.^4,5 Misguided safety concerns in some countries have led to a fall in vaccination coverage, causing the re-emergence of pertussis and measles.⁶
Putative vaccine safety issues are commonly reported while reviews of vaccine benefits are few. A Medline search over the past five years using the keywords vaccine risks scored approximately five times as many hits (2655 versus 557) as a Medline search using “vaccine benefits as keywords.⁷ This reflects the fact that negative aspects of vaccination get much more publicity than positive aspects.
How one addresses the antivaccine movement has been a problem since the time of Jenner. The best way in the long term is to refute wrong allegations at the earliest opportunity by providing scientifically valid data. This is easier said than done, because the adversary in this game plays according to rules that are not generally those of science. This issue will not be further addressed in this paper, which aims to show how vaccines are valuable to both individuals and societies, to present how vaccines are valuable to both individuals and societies, to present validated facts, and to help redress adverse perceptions. Without doubt, vaccines are among the most efficient tools for promoting individual and public health and deserve better press.⁸
For society

Ehreth estimates that vaccines annually prevent almost 6 million deaths worldwide.¹⁹ In the USA, there has been a 99% decrease in incidence for the nine diseases for which vaccines have been recommended for decades,²⁰ accompanied by a similar decline in mortality and disease sequelae.
Complications such as congenital rubella syndrome, liver cirrhosis and cancer caused by chronic hepatitis B infection or neurological lesions secondary to measles or mumps can have a greater long-term impact than the acute disease. Up to 40% of children who survive meningitis due to Hib may have life-long neurological defects.¹³
In field trials, mortality and morbidity reductions were seen for pneumococcal disease in sub-Saharan Africa and rotavirus in Latin America.^21,22
Specific vaccines have also been used to protect those in greatest need of protection against infectious diseases, such as pregnant women, cancer patients and the immunocompromised.¹⁸

[Sylph]

Ms Terry, You are unkind and rude to folks you disagree with, to the point that you make them feel sad/mad/irritated. Life's too short for such nonsense. This is my last communication with you. I hope you find a more constructive form of recreation. I wish you well!

[Lorrie]

Ms Terry, You are unkind and rude to folks you disagree with, to the point that you make them feel sad/mad/irritated. Life's too short for such nonsense. This is my last communication with you. I hope you find a more constructive form of recreation. I wish you well!

I must chime in here! NO I must not, but I am going to. Because I whole heartedly agree with you Sylph. I know you to be quite educated in teeth! I know nothing about what MsTerry knows about floride or teeth or anything that the web won't supply it with.
I have not had a real great interest in this topic, but to the tone and responses within the first sentence of the posts that came across my computer in box. Ms Terry is an instigator! It causes trouble, riles up on purpose and tries to bring out the frustration and anger. Feelings not had when originally posting for good. On a whim it creates those feelings. It goes off topic to do so by making it personal. Barry it is so negative! Why is it still here? Why is it allowed to let readers and posters alike have a bad feeling of wishing they never posted in the first place, after contributing as we should on this CBB, if we feel we have an imput to share with the community. A fact or info in regards to subject at hand. Especially the poor newbies!
Once Ms Terry reads a post, it turns the whold conversation and subject sour letting the poster remain with the feeling that should not have ever posted in the first place, as it has with this subject.
If Ms Terry remains maybe it will dominate and be the only person left posting...and all negative subjects!

i.e.: Quotes from Ms Terry in this thread alone:
Besides the first 3 letters being similar, can you show us the chemical connection?
Unless you think that oxymoron and oxygen are related?
It couldn't just ask the question it had to insult someones intelligence too!
To link Sensationalist media, religious fanatics, questionable research to spawn worldwide epidemics with alternative medical practitioners in one sentence,
now that is sensationalist and questionably fanatic but mostly irresponsible.
Another insult taken out of context of post/info from cpoc not even info from Sylph, but said to make her feel bad...
I respectfully suggest that you remove that inflammatory, self-righteous quote and leave just the link to the article!
Sylph said nothing to deserve ALL of these negative words, cept that she respectfully believes it did not read the article. And it saying this proves that it did not read it!

Oh and it goes on....

[MsTerry]

You know Sylph, that is just a cop out statement so you don't have to take responsibility for how you decided to post a demeaning quote to health practitioners.

I respectfully suggest that you remove that inflammatory, self-righteous quote and leave just the link to the article!

When I asked you to let the article speak for itself, this was your reply

I’m sorry you interpreted ‘respectfully’ as self-righteous and demeaning to you.

It should be clear to anyone (except Lorrie) that it is the quote that is inappropriate, not your use of the word 'respectfully'
After dissecting your quote, you still don't get what is offensive?

It is a dishonest and misleading statement since it links (a)Sensationalist media, (b)religious fanatics, (c)questionable research (d)worldwide epidemics with alternative medical practitioners.

It doesn't matter that the quote was in the article
It has 'code words' in it designed to provoke.

I do think it sad that someone with your intelligence can't see beyond propaganda.
To call me rude and unkind because you don't agree with me is, well, uhm, rude and unkind?

Ms Terry, You are unkind and rude to folks you disagree with, to the point that you make them feel sad/mad/irritated. Life's too short for such nonsense. This is my last communication with you. I hope you find a more constructive form of recreation. I wish you well!

[d-cat]

i.e.: Quotes from Ms Terry in this thread alone:
Besides the first 3 letters being similar, can you show us the chemical connection?
Unless you think that oxymoron and oxygen are related?

I thought that one was pretty funny actually, considering it was in reply to a post that had this:

other drugs containing fluoride are:
Rohypnol (flunitrazepam), Diflucan (fluconazole), Stelazine (Fluanxol)

[d-cat]

Protests As New Jersey Declares Flu Vaccines Mandatory (article and videos)

Hundreds of concerned parents participated in demonstrations outside the New Jersey Statehouse yesterday
in protest of the State’s decision to mandate flu vaccinations for young children.
Protesters also turned out to support a bill that would allow for conscientious objections to forced vaccinations,
arguing that medication should be the choice of the parent not the government.

https://www.prisonplanet.com/huge-pr...mandatory.html

[mykil]

wOw; I am thinking now that we might just have enough chemists around to set up a few major drug labs and just totally take over the methamphetamine trade! What you all think about that?

[phooph]

Shocking True Story (military vaccines)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npWPwLcUyw0

Here's another article on the same issue from 2002. It is very "fair and balanced" quoting Pentagon officials and drug company PR people saying their vaccines are just fine. https://www.whale.to/a/anthrax9.html

Captain Joyce Riley, gave a lecture in 1996 on the use of vaccines and drugs that have caused thousands of vets to become sick.
https://www.all-natural.com/riley.html

The anthrax vaccine is manufactured by one company - BioPort - which is owned byFuad El-Hibri, a man with ties to both the Pentagon and the Bush family.

BioPort has recieved several citations from the FDA for improper handling of it's vaccines from manufacture to storage. It has also been caught re-dating expired vaccines. A lot of the expired product was sold to the Pentagon for the first Gulf War and then again for Gulf War II with the anthrax scare in the US giving more weight to the need. (One should also note that $93 million worth of Ciprofloxacin was sold to the US government after the anthrax scare despite the fact that it was originally listed as one of the least effective antibiotics for treating anthrax. Bayer was anxious to unload its stocks of a drug who's price had dropped due to patent expiration before it expired. There is also a huge amount of evidence that Bruce Ivins was not the anthrax terrorist including a flat out statement from the head of UNSCOM's biologics WMD inspection team. Follow the money.)

This is not about over vigilance by the military. It is about drug companies using the US military as a lucrative dumping ground for drugs of all sorts. There have always been close ties with the drug companies and the military. The biological WMD programs in the US were developed in cooperation with the drug companies.

[sharingwisdom]

Thanks for posting these really interesting articles and YouTube video. I have Dr. Joyce Riley's and Dr. Garth Nicholson's tapes on biological experimentation on our servicepeople from over 10 years ago.

I found this humorous video on YouTube on the Flu vaccinations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIjm...eature=related
It's important that people start asking what is in their vaccines.

Here's another article on the same issue from 2002. It is very "fair and balanced" quoting Pentagon officials and drug company PR people saying their vaccines are just fine. https://www.whale.to/a/anthrax9.html

Captain Joyce Riley, gave a lecture in 1996 on the use of vaccines and drugs that have caused thousands of vets to become sick.
https://www.all-natural.com/riley.html

The anthrax vaccine is manufactured by one company - BioPort - which is owned byFuad El-Hibri, a man with ties to both the Pentagon and the Bush family.

BioPort has recieved several citations from the FDA for improper handling of it's vaccines from manufacture to storage. It has also been caught re-dating expired vaccines. A lot of the expired product was sold to the Pentagon for the first Gulf War and then again for Gulf War II with the anthrax scare in the US giving more weight to the need. (One should also note that $93 million worth of Ciprofloxacin was sold to the US government after the anthrax scare despite the fact that it was originally listed as one of the least effective antibiotics for treating anthrax. Bayer was anxious to unload its stocks of a drug who's price had dropped due to patent expiration before it expired. There is also a huge amount of evidence that Bruce Ivins was not the anthrax terrorist including a flat out statement from the head of UNSCOM's biologics WMD inspection team. Follow the money.)

This is not about over vigilance by the military. It is about drug companies using the US military as a lucrative dumping ground for drugs of all sorts. There have always been close ties with the drug companies and the military. The biological WMD programs in the US were developed in cooperation with the drug companies.

[Braggi]

...
Captain Joyce Riley, gave a lecture in 1996 on the use of vaccines and drugs that have caused thousands of vets to become sick.
https://www.all-natural.com/riley.html
...

Thousands of Civil War veterans also became sick. Also WWII veterans. Also Korean War Vets. Also Viet Nam vets. Was it vaccines that caused that? Perhaps we're just allergic to war.

-Jeff

PS. This is the problem of "anecdotal evidence." Personal experience, no matter how real, just isn't data. That aside, I don't doubt the vast amounts of vaccines given to Iraq vets caused a lot of problems. Of course, they took a lot of other drugs too and were exposed to a lot of pathogens their bodies weren't used to. As in most health related stories, it's a complex issue with no single answer.

[phooph]

I guess you didn't bother to read all that was there. One might note that Captain Riley was a nurse in the USAF who was stricken with Gulf War Syndrome. She was not deployed to the Gulf. She was working state side.

Fully one third of Gulf War I vets became disabled, a much higher rate of disability than all previous wars and the majority is due to GWS. Not only that but family members have been stricken with it so in some instances it seems to be contagious. Some of the symptoms are truly bizarre. One man was told they had to remove all his skin. He died of course. Age 27.



Not all this is due to vaccinations, as chemical and bio-weapons, depleted uranium etc are part of the mix. But the people stateside who came down with it are a testament that it's not all battle field exposure.

Thousands of Civil War veterans also became sick. Also WWII veterans. Also Korean War Vets. Also Viet Nam vets. Was it vaccines that caused that? Perhaps we're just allergic to war.

-Jeff

PS. This is the problem of "anecdotal evidence." Personal experience, no matter how real, just isn't data. That aside, I don't doubt the vast amounts of vaccines given to Iraq vets caused a lot of problems. Of course, they took a lot of other drugs too and were exposed to a lot of pathogens their bodies weren't used to. As in most health related stories, it's a complex issue with no single answer.

[Braggi]

... Not all this is due to vaccinations, as chemical and bio-weapons, depleted uranium etc are part of the mix. But the people stateside who came down with it are a testament that it's not all battle field exposure.

So, thanks for supporting my comments. We agree. Let's have some champagne.

-Jeff

[nlpPati]

Can anyone recommend...

What is the best way to filter water at home?

I have a Britta and I know that is doesn't filter everything I want it to.

Thank you,
Pati

:pengy::pengy::pengy:

[d-cat]

Can anyone recommend...

What is the best way to filter water at home?

I have a Britta and I know that is doesn't filter everything I want it to.

Thank you,
Pati

:pengy::pengy::pengy:

Berkey has a good reputation and they have special fluoride (reduction) filters available




https://www.berkeywater.com/start.main.html

and if you're on a budget
https://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/ho...erkeydaire.htm

[d-cat]

interesting youtube clip

America Being Dumbed Down Chemicals No IQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaqEW_d8xyc

[d-cat]

anyone who has looked into aspartame should find this story interesting...

18% tax on non-diet soft drinks
JunkScience.com -- Steven Milloy, Publisher


more stories of our government caring for us:

FDA Stuns Scientists, Declares Mercury in Fish to be Safe for Infants, Children, Expectant Mothers!
FDA Stuns Scientists, Declares Mercury in Fish to be Safe for Infants, Children, Expectant Mothers!

90 Percent of U.S. Infant Formula May Be Contaminated with Melamine; FDA Abruptly Declares Chemical Safe for Babies
90 Percent of U.S. Infant Formula May Be Contaminated with Melamine; FDA Abruptly Declares Chemical Safe for Babies

FDA Draws Fire Over Chemicals In Baby Formula
FDA Draws Fire Over Chemicals In Baby Formula - washingtonpost.com

[rikwiz]

Here are a few towns that refused the poison perhaps we can learn something from their struggles in keeping poisons out of the drinking water in this county. It is obvious Effron Carrilo is not a really good judge of what to do and what not to do or where to do that. So we might as well erase him from the equation .. None the less here is a list of articles i gleaned from the net. READ Milton council refuses to support fluoridation of local waterHamilton City Council Refuses To Hear New Fluoride Information
Why Portland refuses to fluoridate its drinking water - The WeekOregon city rejects water fluoridation
Scientists, Doctors and Researchers warn of fluoridated water …
Some deadly side effects of consuming fluoridated ...

PS. Ya like the way they come up with those "safe" levels? This is not a very exact science, but, in their defense, the best way would be to feed it to a thousand people at varying levels and see at what levels people start getting sick. Oops, can't do that!

Ha!...What about the lab rats...?...I thought they were suppose to be good enough...?...

Oh d-cat!!!...I see red anytime I see articles about how wonderful flouride in the water is...it helps kids to not have cavities!...

Dang!...What about all the people who have to drink that damn water, and aren't a kid, and don't need the damn flouride!...

And guess what - gee, what a revelation!...It's suppose to be the parents responsibility to feed their kids decent food, not stuff 'em with sugar, and make' 'em brush their teeth - keeps the cavities away...If the darn parents are too lame to do that, and pediatricians and dentists aren't hammerin' the parents on those points, then tough noodles...

Other people shouldn't have to drink that junk, because of other lame parents...
I really hate the 'flouride in the water is so wonderful' bs!...