Psychedelic Mushrooms Boost Mental Health

[PeriodThree]

They used the same subjects as study and control groups. They then compared the subject's reported experiences and found that the subjects had much different experiences when they took the psilocybin than when they had ritalin.

Again, you keep attacking their methodology. This was a double blind study. Like all studies it is open to methodological discussion, but you appear to be denying what is simply true.

And your tactic has worked. I have lost all energy to explore what is fascinating about their results because of your insistence that they didn't do what they, and their peer reviewers, all say they did.

That is not what it says
Oral psilocybin (30 mg/70 kg) was administered on one of two or three sessions, with methylphenidate (40 mg/70 kg) administered on the other session(s)

[Moon]

I sure would like to know more about this study, especially how many subjects
were tested and whether they took the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality
Inventory) before and after. Psilocybin was always my favorite psychoactive
drug, for its ability to cut through all the rationalizations for doing things i hated
or not doing things i wanted to do. By the way, the photo doesn't show psilocybin
mushrooms, does it? I thought they were red with white dots.

[quote=Braggi;63213]https://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...searchers-say/
Psychedelic Mushrooms Can Boost Mental Health, Researchers Say
Medical research is getting a little groovier. In a new report, scientists declared that the active ingredient in hallucinogenic “magic mushrooms” had beneficial effects on test subjects who took the substance under a doctor’s supervision. What’s more, the effects lingered; 14 months after the experiment, more than half the subjects reported still feeling an increase in well-being or life satisfaction, in terms of things like feeling more creative, self-confident, flexible and optimistic [AP].
“What we’re looking at is a largely unexplored technology for brain science — it was discovered in the 1940s, set the psychiatry world ablaze in the 1950s, and was aborted by widespread recreational abuse, the reaction of the media and its confluence with the Vietnam war” [Wired News].
In the study, published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology [subscription required], researchers gave test subjects doses of psilocybin, the active ingredient in some wild mushrooms, and directed the volunteers to lie down, listen to classical music, and “look inward.”
The report was accompanied by another article [subscription required] which laid out the guideline for safe and ethical research on psilocybin: The drug is only given to people with no history of psychosis or serious mental disorders, and psychological support is provided during and after the experience [Los Angeles Times]. The psilocybin researchers also stressed that they’re not encouraging people to take hallucinogens outside the controlled setting of a lab, and added that the powerful substances can provoke fear and panic.
While some researchers hope to use psilocybin for scientific inquiry into the nature of human spirituality, others have more objective medical goals. Researchers say they’ll be conducting further studies to examine whether the mushrooms can help people with such wide-ranging ailments as obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety, and alcoholism, as well as people who are coping with a cancer diagnosis.
For an in-depth look at how hallucinogens have snuck back into the lab, check out DISCOVER’s recent story, “Could an Acid Trip Cure Your OCD?”

[Braggi]

... By the way, the photo doesn't show psilocybin
mushrooms, does it? I thought they were red with white dots.
...

You're thinking of Amanita muscaria and they don't contain psilocybin. They do contain muscarole, ibotenic acid and in minor amounts a few other psychoactives. Most people don't find them very much fun, but some do. If you'd like to eat them without the attendant "high" you can boil them for about five minutes, drain, and then use like any other edible mushrooms. I'm told (by experts) that they're delicious prepared that way.

There were 36 psychonauts and I'm not sure what tests they were given. I've not read the full study but I'm looking forward to it.

Somebody search the MAPS website. I'm sure the study will be posted there and available for free.

-Jeff

[Tars]

By the way, the photo doesn't show psilocybin
mushrooms, does it? I thought they were red with white dots.

Not to quibble (there's already been enough of that in this thread) but psilocybin is a substance, not a type of mushroom. In fact, most types of mushrooms have psilocybin in them, even the ones in the Safeway produce bins. A few varieties tend to have higher levels of psylocybin in them than other varieties. Red shrooms are probably the most well known. For instance there are some golden-colored varieties that are quite potent .

Thanks for the interesting post Jeff! Though the study had a small sampling, there was quite a significant majority of participants who remembered good effects. I'd say it's worth sampling a thousand or two subjects, to better define a stronger trend.

Though a common effect of psilocybin is a strong feeling of euphoria, I thought that the researchers' instructions which, "directed the volunteers to lie down, listen to classical music, and “look inward." may have unnecessarily complicated the study. Would the same effect have been achieved by administering some other euphoric? I would think that it would be more productive to study the longterm effects of the drug itself, if the volunteers were given no instructions at all about what to think, or do, or expect.

[MsTerry]

Well, I thought I knew what that word meant. Both definitions. MsTerry threw me there. Thanks for the save Sylph.

-Jeff

I think Sequela is more of a clinical than a casual term, hence
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Typically, a sequela is a chronic condition that is a complication of an acute condition that begins during the acute condition. This is in contrast to a late effect.
Sequelae of traumatic brain injury include headache and dizziness, anxiety, apathy, depression, aggression, cognitive impairments, personality changes, mania, psychosis. These may also result from ECT (Electro convulsive therapy).
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[MsTerry]

Though a common effect of psilocybin is a strong feeling of euphoria, I thought that the researchers' instructions which, "directed the volunteers to lie down, listen to classical music, and “look inward." may have unnecessarily complicated the study. Would the same effect have been achieved by administering some other euphoric? I would think that it would be more productive to study the longterm effects of the drug itself, if the volunteers were given no instructions at all about what to think, or do, or expect.

I agree the amount of coerced testimony with more than likely 'leading' questions such as; "would you consider this a mystical experience?", takes away from the end results.
36 people is hardly enough to qualify for a far reaching conclusion.

[MsTerry]

They used the same subjects as study and control groups. They then compared the subject's reported experiences and found that the subjects had much different experiences when they took the psilocybin than when they had ritalin.

I haven't even questioned the use of Ritalin!
Why did they chose Ritalin as a placebo?
Ritalin is akin to speed, and can create anxiety.
Hell, almost anything would be euphoria after Ritalin.

[MsTerry]

As St. Terrence taught (if I remember His wording): "Five dried grams in silent darkness will flatten the most resistant ego."

The result is the same.

-Jeff

Saint Theresa said no such thing!

[Sylph]

Ok, ok, I'm OCD about language, but sequela has the other meaning besides the pathological one:
https://www.answers.com/topic/sequela?cat=health

1. A pathological condition resulting from a disease.

2. A secondary consequence or result. (in my dictionary this is the first meaning)

The wikipedia article is a stub of the Disease article, so of course, it's all about disease. (Wiki is not a dictionary, nor is it perfect): Typically, a sequela is a chronic condition that is a complication of an acute condition that begins during the acute condition. This is in contrast to a late effect.
For instance and in context:
Long-Term Sequelae of Premarital Intercourse or Abstinence ... cautiously. Long-Term Sequelae of Age at First Intercourse To test the ... further in the Discussion. Long-Term Sequelae of Context of First Intercourse To investigate .

In any case, after rereading the study, I see nothing to lose and much to gain by studying this interesting substance:
"What’s more, the effects lingered; 14 months after the experiment, more than half the subjects reported still feeling an increase in well-being or life satisfaction, in terms of things like feeling more creative, self-confident, flexible and optimistic"

Jeff was right all along! You're both right!

[Dixon]

1) MsTerry - are you bothered by the possibility that shrooms may have a positive effect, is there another issue? Or are you simply being obstructionist?

PeriodThree, my understanding is that "MsTerry" is another name used by the troll formerly known as "ThePhiant", so that she can continue her trolling here on Wacco. She has certainly hooked you. I learned to stop feeding trolls in general and this one in particular, which is why I never respond to her provocations anymore. I recommend to you and everyone reading this to just ignore her.

Dixon

[Lenny]

That is not an accurate summary of what was reported. Your number, 20, is 5 to 20% low, and the subjects who responded did not have 'some effects that were noticeable' they reported very significant responses.
23 of the 36 (63.8% - I suspect they rounded that up :-) 'indicated that the experience increased well-being or life satisfaction"
67% - 24 out of 36, rated it among the five most spiritually significant experiences of their lives ;
58% 21 out of 36, rated the psilocybin-occasioned experience as being among the five most personally meaningful experiences of their lives
What other 16? Do you mean the other 12 who did not rate it among the five most spiritually significant experiences of their lives?
I could be wrong, but mathematically there is no way of knowing how much overlap there is between these different groups (21 of 36, 24 of 36, etc). 100% of the subjects could have had a major effect. The categories were not mutually exclusive.

Part of the "double blind" issue is not who took what, but the quantifiable outcome. How many were "spiritual" prior to the drug? How does one measure ANY of that, other than the participants subjective notions TO THE QUESTION itself. "Quality of life"? Come on now!
And yes, taking drugs has more components of life changing issues than last nights meal or a glass of water, but there are no "double blind" ways to determine such.
Don might know wife beaters who've taken drugs, do you think they've stopped beating their wives? I think not.
And 14 months.....why not 16? Did the stats change after 18? The methodology IS the question at times.

[Lenny]

Quote:
Braggi wrote:
As St. Terrence taught (if I remember His wording): "Five dried grams in silent darkness will flatten the most resistant ego."The result is the same. -Jeff

Saint Theresa said no such thing!

No, he wrote St. TERRENCE, that guy that drinks outta the brown paper bag that hangs out at the bus stop. He took some drugs and it changed his life, don't cha' know!

[MsTerry]

Dear Dixon,


Rather than having a valid opinion, you are resorting to an ad hominem attack for no apparent reason.
The fallacy in your thinking becomes clear when you realize that Barry removes or bans people who are disturbing the board.
Now if you have anything to say regarding the discussion at hand, that would be great.
Otherwise I have to assume that you try to suppress intelligent inquisition by calling people names and steering the subject at hand into a collision course.
A troll-like behavior..................

PeriodThree, my understanding is that "MsTerry" is another name used by the troll formerly known as "ThePhiant", so that she can continue her trolling here on Wacco. She has certainly hooked you. I learned to stop feeding trolls in general and this one in particular, which is why I never respond to her provocations anymore. I recommend to you and everyone reading this to just ignore her.

Dixon

[Braggi]

Not to quibble (there's already been enough of that in this thread) but psilocybin is a substance, not a type of mushroom. In fact, most types of mushrooms have psilocybin in them, even the ones in the Safeway produce bins. A few varieties tend to have higher levels of psylocybin in them than other varieties. Red shrooms are probably the most well known. For instance there are some golden-colored varieties that are quite potent . ...

Well, stop quibbling and go back to mycology school Tars. Amanitas don't have psilocybin whether red, white or golden. There are only a few varieties that do. Paul Stamets, arguably the world's foremost mycologist, wrote a book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Psilocybin-Mu.../dp/0898158397

Read up.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

... Don might know wife beaters who've taken drugs, do you think they've stopped beating their wives? I think not. ...

Actually, there are quite a few of them in the ayahuasca churches in South America. They give "testimony" similar to 12 steppers. Read up Lenny. Might learn something if you open that crusty ol' brain.

-Jeff

[Braggi]

... Psilocybin was always my favorite psychoactive
drug, for its ability to cut through all the rationalizations for doing things i hated or not doing things i wanted to do. ...

Thanks for sharing that Moon. Works for me the same way. There are those who experimented who weren't prepared to do that work and missed that benefit. Those folks just "got stoned" and missed out on the enlightening possibilities.

Set and setting are quite meaningful. So taught St. Timothy.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

Yes, Paul is quite a guy
Didn't he use mushrooms to eat up "toxic waste"?
Jeff, are you knowledgeable enough to lead edible mushroom walks?

Well, stop quibbling and go back to mycology school Tars. Amanitas don't have psilocybin whether red, white or golden. There are only a few varieties that do. Paul Stamets, arguably the world's foremost mycologist, wrote a book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Psilocybin-Mu.../dp/0898158397

Read up.

-Jeff

[Tars]

There are only a few varieties that do.

Quite a few, actually. Psilocibyn is a common substance in a large range of mushrooms. Your statement would be more accurate if it said, "There are only a relatively few varieties out of the millions of types of existing fungi that do contain enough of the agent to induce a significant hallucinogenic effect in humans."

I'll pass on reading your preferred source for information, the whole topic isn't important enough to me to devote that amount of time to it. Besides which, there are a multitude of "experts" on the subject, readily available on the web. Please do continue your studies about the subject.

A partial list, just to demonstrate that there are more than "just a few" varieties:

Agrocybe farinacea Hongo, Conocybe cyanopus, Conocybe smithii, Copelandia bispora, Copelandia cambodgeniensis Copelandia cambodgeniensis is probably the most potent of the Copelandia species. Is very common on Oahu Island in Hawaii., Copelandia cyanescens
Copelandia magic mushrooms are of the Cyanescens variety (nick-named: Hawaiian) will give a very intense and wild trip, very confronting. The effects are very strong and suitable for experienced trippers only. The trip can last for 8 hours. From www.thefane.org: Copelandia occurs on soil and dung in Florida, Louisiana, Hawaii, Central America, Brazil, the Philipines and Eastern Australia. It is cultivated on cow and buffalo dung on Bali.
Copelandia tropicalis, Galerina steglechii, Gymnopilus luteofolius, More info: https://www.mykoweb.com
Gymnopilus spectabilis More info: https://www.mykoweb.com
Gymnopilus purpuratus, Inocybe aeruginascens, Inocybe haemacta, Inocybe corydalina var. erinaceomorpha, Panaeolina foenisecii, Panaeolus africanus, Panaeolus antillarum, Panaeolus sphinctrinus, Panaeolus subbalteatus,

Pluteus salicinus From www.thefane.org: This mushroom grows throughout North America on dung and well manured grounds in the Spring through the Fall. The cap has a cinnamon brown band around the edge. It has a blackish purple sporeprint. It is widely distributed in North America, South America, Europe, middle Siberia, Africa, and the Hawaiian archipelago.
Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe aucklandii, Psilocybe australiana
Psilocybe aztecorum, Psilocybe azurescens Psilocybe Azurescens (or blue psilocybe) is a very potent species, if not the most potent of all the psilocybin mushroom species. The Psilocybe Azurescens is only for the very experienced psychonaut. It is the psilocybin that colors them azur (blue). The Azurescens is quite difficult to cultivate, what explains that they are hard to come by.
Psilocybe baeocystis, Psilocybe bohemica From "New Aspects of the Occurrence, Chemistry, and Cultivation of European Hallucinogen Mushrooms", by Jochen Gartz:
These mushrooms were already found in Czechoslovakia near Sazava in 1942. They blue consistently after bruising and spontaneously in the age. The fruit bodies grow up to 15 cm high on humus and wood chips in the woods. The species is widespread in Czechoslovakia (9) and it will probably be reported from many other European countries in the next years. Recent finds in Austria and Germany support this claim. The analysis of fruit bodies revealed psilocybin, baeocystin and in some cases psilocin. Psilocybin levels varied from 0.11% up to 1.34% by dry weight (9). The content of psilocybin and baeocystin was highest in the caps of the mushrooms. Psilocybin content flucatuates between 0.2 and 1.4 % in dried Psilocybe Bohemica.
Psilocybe brasiliensis, Psilocybe caerulescens From www.thefane.org: Also referred to as the Landslide mushroom. Gordon Wasson's first ingestion of the sacred mushroom consisted of Psilocybe Caerulescens received at a velada conducted by Maria Sabina in Huatla de Jimenenez, Mexico on the night of June 29/30, 1955. The Landslide Mushroom can be found in late spring and summer on disturbed land throughout central Mexico. It is also reported in Venezuela and Brazil.
Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe columbiana,Psilocybe cubensis Cubensis is the most popular of the psilocybe magic mushrooms. Cubensis is quite potent and relatively easy to grow. Probably it is the most cultivated psychoactive mushroom.
Psilocybe cyanescens,

From: mycoweb.
Pileus: Cap 2-4.5 cm broad, convex, becoming nearly plane with a low umbo; margin striate, often wavy, sometimes upturned in age; surface smooth, sticky when moist, hygrophanous, brown, fading to yellow-brown or buff; flesh thin, brittle in age, bruising blue.
Lamellae: Gills adnate to seceding, close when young, subdistant in age, pale cinnamon brown, becoming dark grey-brown, edges lighter than the faces, mottled from spores at maturity.
Stipe: Stipe 3-6 cm tall, 3-6 mm thick, equal to sometimes enlarged at the base, the latter with conspicuous thickened mycelium (rhizomorphs); surface white, smooth to silky, bruising blue; veil fibrillose, forming a superior, evanescent hairy, annular zone.
Spores: Spores 9-12 x 6-8 µm, elliptical, smooth, with an apical pore; spore print purple-brown to purple-grey.
Habitat: Scattered to gregarious on woody debris, leaf litter, and wood chips; fruiting from late summer in watered areas to mid-winter.
Edibility: Hallucinogenic.
Comments: Psilocybe cyanescens is recognized by a chestnut-brown, striate, wavy-margined cap that soon fades to yellow brown or buff, and blue-staining fruiting body. Because of its hallucinogenic properties, it is sometimes the subject of experimentation, a potentially dangerous practice because of toxic look-alikes in Galerina, Conocybe and Inocybe.

Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa

Psilocybe fimetaria

Psilocybe heimii

Psilocybe hispanica

Psilocybe hoogshagenii

Psilocybe liniformans var. americana

Psilocybe mexicana From www.thefane.org: Reported to grow in limestone regions at elevations between 4,500 and 5,500 feet in southern Mexico and Guatemala. It fruits from June until October and is found among moss or herbs along roadsides, humid meadows, cornfields, and also in the neighborhood of deciduous forests. Psilocybe Mexicana was collected along with other species by the Wassons and French mycologist Roger Heim during several field trips to Mexico around 1958. Heim's assistant Roger Cailleux managed to grow this and other species in the laboratory. Professor Heim sent the dried specimens to Albert Hofmann and his colleagues Arthur Bracke and Hans Kobel who successfully extracted and subsequently identified the chemical psychedelics, psilocyn and psilocybin, at the Sandoz laboratories in Switzerland
Psilocybe natalensis

Psilocybe pelliculosa

Psilocybe portoricensis

Psilocybe quebecensis

Psilocybe samuiensis

Psilocybe sanctorum

Psilocybe semilanceata Liberty caps is another (common) name for Psilocybe Semilanceata. These magic mushrooms grow abundant in the wild in moderate climat zones. Lots of psychonauts in the UK go hunting for Liberty Caps in early fall (Sept / Oct). Liberty caps are medium potent. From www.thefane.org: Also known as Liberty Cap named after the Phrygian headgear worn by certain liberators during the French revolution. The headgear was also a popular symbol during the American revolution against Britain. The Liberty Cap grows in north temperate areas and is quite plentiful on the Emerald Isles of Ireland where it is commonly referred to as Pookie. It is mentioned in Thomas Keightley's The Fairy Mythology (1850) as "those pretty small delicate fungi, with their conical heads, which are named Fairy mushrooms in Ireland, where they grow so plentifully." It also grows in England as well as northwest U.S. and British Columbia and has been reported in the northeastern U.S., St. Petersburg, other parts of Europe, South Africa, Chile, northern India, Australia, and Tasmania. It fruits in grass particularly in sedge grass in the damp portions of fields during the Fall but does not grow on dung like its cousin Isidore.
Psilocybin and baeocystin content (%) in 3 dry samples of PS. Source: Jochen Gartz Psilocybe sierrae


Psilocybe silvatica

Psilocybe stuntzii

Psilocybe subaeruginosa

Psilocybe subcubensis

Psilocybe tampanensis The Tampanensis magic mushroom is also known as the truffle or philosophers stone. This magic mushroom will give you a philosophical, happy and visual trip. The Tampanensis magic mushroom can last as long as 6 hours. They look very different from the other magic mushrooms.
Psilocybe uxpanapensis

Psilocybe weilii

Psilocybe xalapensis

Psilocybe zapotecorum

[Braggi]

Yes, Paul is quite a guy ...

Arrrg! I just messed up my coffee cake because I'm trying to follow this thread at the same time as baking! (And listening to one of my favorite Loreena Mckennitt songs at high volume while dancing around.)

Yes, Paul is one of the most loving, generous, spiritual people I know of.

... Didn't he use mushrooms to eat up "toxic waste"? ...

Thanks for the opportunity to plug his latest book: https://www.fungi.com/books/stamets.html

It's a wonderful read.

Here's a link to a video I haven't seen yet, but he's a riveting speaker, so I imagine it's well worth watching: https://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/...the_world.html

... Jeff, are you knowledgeable enough to lead edible mushroom walks?

My daughter and I often go out in search of "all that the rain promises." I was newsletter editor of SOMA News for a few years. I learned a lot in that capacity.

https://www.somamushrooms.org/

Shall we plan a Waccobb foray in the fall?

-Jeff

PS. Charmoon, of Wild About Mushrooms, arranges forays throughout the year. https://www.wildaboutmushrooms.net/

He also offers some of the best prices on dried mushrooms you'll find anywhere. Check out his morels. Yummy!

[Braggi]

Quite a few, actually. Psilocibyn is a common substance in a large range of mushrooms. Your statement would be more accurate if it said, "There are only a relatively few varieties out of the millions of types of existing fungi that do contain enough of the agent to induce a significant hallucinogenic effect in humans." ...

Thanks for backing up my statements. Note that nearly all of these varieties belong to a very small family of mushrooms, genetically speaking. It's also worth noting that out of the tens of thousands of varieties found in splendid profusion in northern California, only one or two of those mentioned in your post are found in any quantity at all, and those are easily misidentified as noted.

To those reading Tars' list and wanting to go hunting for the "good ones," forget about it. Much safer to find a grower and acquire them from an experienced source. I do a lot of mushroom hunting but I never even bother to look for the "ones that turn blue." Also note, there are many mushrooms that turn blue that have none of the "magic" you might be looking for. Some of those will make you quite ill.

-Jeff

PS. Note there were no Amanitas of any kind on your list, Tars.

[MsTerry]

Shall we plan a Waccobb foray in the fall?

-Jeff

[Braggi]

Braggi wrote:
Shall we plan a Waccobb foray in the fall?

-Jeff

Only if you agree to go and honestly identify yourself.

-Jeff

[MsTerry]

You mean, just you and me in the wild?

Only if you agree to go and honestly identify yourself.

-Jeff

[Hummingbear]

Thanks for sharing that Moon. Works for me the same way. There are those who experimented who weren't prepared to do that work and missed that benefit. Those folks just "got stoned" and missed out on the enlightening possibilities.

Set and setting are quite meaningful. So taught St. Timothy.

-Jeff

Jeff, I am shocked, shocked, to learn that you indulged in a healing process before its benefits were established by peer-reviewed scientific studies. Isn't that what you castigate others for doing?

Where's the scientific study of "set and setting"? Or are we now to accept the testimony of the saints?

I do think you change your standards of argumentation to accommodate your own experience, Jeff. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that; I just wish you'd allow the same slack to others.

Hummingbear

[Braggi]

Jeff, I am shocked, shocked, to learn that you indulged in a healing process before its benefits were established by peer-reviewed scientific studies. Isn't that what you castigate others for doing? ...

Heh heh heh. No, that's not what I do nor is it what I did.

I "indulged" in a method that every informed person knows works and that was relatively inexpensive for me.

See the differences?

... Where's the scientific study of "set and setting"? Or are we now to accept the testimony of the saints? ...

There is a vast literature supporting the validity of set and setting (and you know it). Much of that is "scientifically" validated which provided a valid background for the study under discussion. St. Timothy was a pioneer in the field, again, as you know. See also Stan Grof's work. ... many others.

... I do think you change your standards of argumentation to accommodate your own experience, Jeff. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that; I just wish you'd allow the same slack to others.

That's your opinion, old friend. I think I remain pretty consistent. I have awe and respect for reality and I hope to experience a whole lot more of it before I die. I wish the same for others. Sometimes I need help separating reality from fantasy. I try to return the favor when I can.

-Jeff

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[Lenny]

PeriodThree, my understanding is that "MsTerry" is another name used by the troll formerly known as "ThePhiant", so that she can continue her trolling here on Wacco. She has certainly hooked you. I learned to stop feeding trolls in general and this one in particular, which is why I never respond to her provocations anymore. I recommend to you and everyone reading this to just ignore her. Dixon

You are on to something, Dixon.
When a smart women comes along and stands up to others and speaks for herself with reason, facts AND compassion but fiercely, I usually call her names and besmirch her character as well. Really gets to the issue at hand. Really! Ok, maybe, maybe not. Know what I mean?
I didn't think so. This part is not even worth the

[MsTerry]

Ah, Lenny, Lenny, Lenny--what are we gonna do with you? For some reason, you would like to jump to the unsupported and uncharitable conclusion that I object to our local troll for all the wrong reasons. Allow me to pop your bubble with some facts:

Lenny, there you have it! Isn't Dixon Brilliant when it comes to facts!

[Zeno Swijtink]

I am almost positive that you have not read the actual study - I know I didn't want to pay $30 to read it (doesn't information want to be free :-)

See attachments.

[MsTerry]

Lenny,
Dixon doesn't like to be contradicted in public especially not by a woman. Since I have exposed the fallacy in his rigid thinking a few times, he has made it a policy to form a possie against me.
But I love him anyways, and I hope that some day he'll find the woman he deserves.

You are on to something, Dixon.
When a smart women comes along and stands up to others and speaks for herself with reason, facts AND compassion but fiercely, I usually call her names and besmirch her character as well. Really gets to the issue at hand. Really! Ok, maybe, maybe not. Know what I mean?
I didn't think so. This part is not even worth the