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    Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    from the folks who brought you the wildly successful Covid 19 -
    wait and see about the new, improved ("gain-of-function") next virus...


    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/29/bioweapon-labs-nih-funding-for-deadly-research.aspx

    See Full text on WaccoBB here.


    STORY AT-A-GLANCE


    • EcoHealth Alliance collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology for years, collecting coronavirus samples from bats and manipulating it to jump to humans
    • The dangerous gain-of-function research was carried out via a grant awarded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH)
    • The grant was cut off in April 2020 as the COVID-19 pandemic gained steam, and U.S. intelligence agencies started to look into whether the coronavirus that started it all escaped from a biological laboratory in Wuhan, China
    • In August 2020, however, the NIH pivoted, granting a new $7.5-million grant to EcoHealth Alliance — part of an $82-million award being split among 11 research teams looking into the origins of viruses and how they infect people (sic)
    • The controversial move means that EcoHealth Alliance’s work will continue, this time targeting Southeast Asia instead of China
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    Re: Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    Barry- please at least move this to “coronavirus conspiracy theories”.

    Or, take a stand and ban people who refuse to actually engage in discussion, and do nothing but repost bs from conspiracy sites and the social media promoting them.

    I remember when Waccoo could actually host robust discussions. Sad.
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    Re: Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    You're free to engage anyone in a discussion, rather than asking that they be labeled and put into a demeaning category.

    If you have something to post that indicates opposing information and facts, why not share it?

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    Barry- please at least move this to “coronavirus conspiracy theories”...
    Raised flags for me too. The link leads you to a page that requires your email address. So it's not helpful.

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    Re: Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    here you go, barry and james, the whole article (and do let us know exactly what part you deem a conspiracy):

    EcoHealth Alliance, a corporate-funded nonprofit organization that seeks to uncover novel viruses in the environment, has been working in China for decades, trapping bats and looking for previously unknown coronaviruses that could lead to a global pandemic.1

    This may come as a surprise to many, but even more surprising is the fact that the research was carried out via a grant awarded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH).2

    While the grant was initially supposed to continue through 2024, it was cut off in April 2020 as the COVID-19 pandemic gained steam, and U.S. intelligence agencies started to look into whether the coronavirus that started it all escaped from a biological laboratory in Wuhan, China.3

    EcoHealth Alliance collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology for years, collecting coronavirus samples from bats and investigating whether they could jump to humans,4 and the NIH told the nonprofit that the project “no longer fit with NIH goals and priorities.”5

    In August 2020, however, the NIH pivoted, granting a new $7.5 million grant to EcoHealth Alliance — part of an $82 million award being split among 11 research teams looking into the origins of viruses and how they infect people. The controversial move means that EcoHealth Alliance’s work will continue, this time targeting Southeast Asia instead of China.6

    EcoHealth Alliance’s Controversial Gain-of-Function Research

    Gain-of-function (GOF) research refers to studies that have the potential to enhance the ability of pathogens to cause disease, including enhancing either their pathogenicity or transmissibility.7 Such research is by its very nature controversial, since there are clear risks should the information be misused or the pathogens escape (or are maliciously released).

    Further, Jonathan Latham, Ph.D., a molecular biologist and virologist and Allison Wilson, Ph.D., a geneticist, believe gain-of-function research performed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology played "an essential causative role in the pandemic."8 Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance president, however, said that the funding cut to their China bat research project would pose a threat to the U.S. public health.

    "Once this pandemic is over, we know of hundreds of other coronaviruses that we've found evidence of in China that are waiting to emerge," Daszak said in an interview with NPR. "We are now going to be unable to know about the risk of that, which puts us completely at risk of the next pandemic."9

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which is part of the NIH, has also long backed dangerous GOF coronavirus research, including that conducted by EcoHealth Alliance. According to Newsweek:10
    "Just last year [2019], the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases [NIAID], the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.
    In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.
    Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release."

    Daszak to Lead COVID-19 Task Force

    Outrageously, Daszak has also been appointed to lead a task force examining whether COVID-19 may have leaked from a lab, as part of the Lancet Covid-19 Commission, which is looking into a variety of issues surrounding the pandemic and offering practical solutions.11 Part of the commission’s goal is to investigate the origins of COVID-19 and avert future zoonotic pandemics.

    While Daszak said he would head the investigation with an open mind, critics such as Filippa Lentzos, an expert on biological threats at King’s College London, wrote on Twitter, “Goodness. I can't imagine a lead investigator with more vested interests!”12,13

    Not only has Daszak been widely criticized for spreading misinformation surrounding the origins of COVID-19 previously, but his longtime collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which has been identified as the most probable source of a laboratory leak, is a glaring conflict of interest. If it’s found that COVID-19 did, in fact, leak from a lab, the work of Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance could come under fire, and future funding could be put in jeopardy.
    As reported in GM Watch, “… if more scientists fail to speak out against his appointment as the Lancet Commission’s lead investigator, it will reflect the success of a censorship strategy that has not just allowed Daszak to evade serious scrutiny but to be put in charge of investigating himself and his associates.”14

    Hundreds of Scientists Called for End of GOF Research in 2014

    In 2014, a series of accidents at laboratories led to more than 300 scientists to launch a petition calling for an end to gain-of-function research.15 The U.S. issued a temporary pause as a result16 but, according to Ronnie Cummins, co-founder of the Organic Consumers Association (OCA) and Alexis Baden-Mayer, OCA’s political director:
    “Exemptions to this ‘pause,’ eventually reviewed by a secret government panel, were nonetheless allowed to go forward. The ban was lifted in 2017. Yet between 2014 and 2016, the NIH and Fauci-led NIAID continued funding gain-of-function research overseas at the Wuhan lab, via Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance.
    Not surprisingly both Fauci and Daszak have been staunch defenders of the official Chinese government story that the virus that causes COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) ‘naturally’ evolved from bats and/or other host species to infect humans.”

    In the NPR interview, Daszak said he really doesn’t understand the rationale behind the funding cut from NIH,17 as they were only researching how coronaviruses may spread from bats to people. But as Cummins and Baden-Mayer explained in my interview with them (linked above):
    “Daszak and his collaborators at the Wuhan Institute of Virology18 weren’t just studying how coronavirus spread from bats to humans, they were actually making coronavirus capable of spreading from bats to humans. They were the first to create19 a bat coronavirus capable of directly infecting humans (rather than first needing to evolve in an intermediate animal host).
    EcoHealth Alliance has since funded additional gain-of-function research that Daszak has championed — without acknowledging his connection.”

    Bat Virus Made Capable of Infecting Human Airway Cells


    In 2015, the University of North Carolina collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, performing gain-of-function research in which bat viruses were manipulated to create a chimeric virus capable of binding to human upper airway cells. That particular virus was called SHC014-MA15.20

    EcoHealth Alliance had funded the research with a U.S. grant,21 but this wasn’t mentioned by Nature, which quoted Daszak as saying the findings “move this virus from a candidate emerging pathogen to a clear and present danger.”22 Cummins and Baden-Mayer pointed out the irony of this statement:
    “Daszak’s statement is odd, as it seems obvious that it was the research itself that made the virus a clear and present danger, and that couldn’t be what he meant.
    … Even the creators of the coronavirus-SARS chimaera questioned the wisdom of tinkering with viruses to make them more dangerous to humans. As Nature reported, in their paper the study authors conceded that funders may think twice about allowing such experiments in the future.”23

    In my previously linked article, they added:
    “‘Scientific review panels may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue,’ they write, adding that discussion is needed as to ‘whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved.’”

    NIH Conditions for Restoring Prior Grant Go Unmet


    EcoHealth Alliance’s new grant is distinct from the previous grant that funded the Chinese bat research. The new grant is intended to fund the creation of the Centers for Research in Emerging Infectious Diseases, or CREID, a network of centers focusing on different geographical regions.
    EcoHealth Alliance will be conducting research on coronaviruses and other pathogens that may emerge from bats, rodents and primates in Singapore, Thailand and Malaysia.24 As for their earlier grant, the NIH notified EcoHealth Alliance that they may restore its funding for the Chinese research if they meet certain conditions, including the following:25

    • Obtain a sample of the SARS-COV-2 virus that the Wuhan lab used to determine its genetic sequence
    • Have independent scientists examine the Wuhan lab to determine if it had possession of SARS-COV-2 prior to December 2019
    • Determine the whereabouts of a Wuhan lab scientist whose photo was mysteriously removed from its website
    According to NPR, “The scientist has been the focus of internet conspiracy theories suggesting she was in fact ‘patient zero’ for the coronavirus. The Wuhan Institute of Virology has previously said that the scientist in question was a graduate student who had finished her master's degree and moved on to other work.”26

    EcoHealth Alliance has not met the conditions for the funding to be restored, with Daszak calling them “preposterous” and telling NPR, "I'm not trained as a private detective. It's not really my job to do that."27 The conditions do seem unusual, particularly for a U.S. government agency to be requesting of a nonprofit organization — unless, perhaps, they believe the organization knows something they don’t.


    NIH Investigation Reveals Rampant Undisclosed Ties to China


    The U.S. NIH is investigating 189 scientists from 87 institutions for undisclosed ties to foreign institutions, with 54 being fired or forced to resign as a result.28

    Among them, 93% received undisclosed support from China, and many had active NIH grants while accepting foreign grants that were not disclosed. About 75% of those being investigated had received active NIH grants, and close to half had at least two of them. In all, 285 active grants totaling $164 million were counted among those being investigated.

    Such ties are rampant, and 133, or 70%, of the researchers being investigated did not disclose to the NIH that they had received foreign grants. More than half (54%) also did not disclose their participation in a foreign talent program, while 9% hid ties to a foreign company and 4% did not disclose a foreign patent.29,30

    The investigation is part of larger efforts to limit threats to the U.S. economy and national security, as cutting-edge technologies and other information at the forefront of new industries that is being supported by federally funded research could be flowing into the wrong hands.


    A broader investigation is also ongoing, with NIH highlighting 399 scientists “of possible concern,” 121 of which the Federal Bureau of Investigation is also investigating.


    According to Dr. Michael Lauer, NIH’s deputy director for extramural research, after the NIH looked into the scientists “of possible concern,” 63% of the investigations came back positive, revealing the true scope of the underhanded dealings.31

    Meanwhile, Fauci, who also supported GOF research on bird flu viruses 10 years ago,32 continues to support EcoHealth Alliance and their research into novel diseases, noting in a statement about the latest grants, “The CREID network will enable early warnings of emerging diseases wherever they occur, which will be critical to rapid responses.”33

    In reality, should further GOF research be allowed to continue, it’s possible that it could “seed” another pandemic.34 Admittedly, it’s quite a coincidence that the very viruses undergoing gain-of-function research turned out to be the ones causing pandemics.



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    Re: Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    So, I posted the ENTIRE ARTICLE here - only to be notified by barry that he'd excluded it in lieu of a link he chose to post in its stead.

    Clearly, this bb is controlled, like many others, by the person who gets to exclude/include/shorten/edit/change category and otherwise control what you read here.

    Just FYI.


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    Barry, I agree with you about excluding links to articles which require email addresses of people, and yes, this should be placed in the conspiracies section.


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    Thanks Paul-André. Also note while I excluded the Judith's long post with the full text (which I welcome), I included the link to her full text post in Judith's original summary post (that linked to the mercola.com)

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    Barry, I agree with you about excluding links to articles which require email addresses of people, and yes, this should be placed in the conspiracies section.

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    Re: Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    well, now it's paul-andre, james and barry calling for this to be banished "to the "conspiracy" category' -
    while NO ONE has refuted any of the specifics:
    biolabs funded by U.S. million$$$, gain of function contracts, etc.

    what do you know that the author of this article doesn't? nothing, i'll wager. so quit name-calling, even better, get a grip: the conspiracies here are out in the open and you don't want/are unable to see them.

    and i posted the article here to make it easily available for yawl to read. don't blame me if it was taken away.

    work it out among yourselves. boring. onwards.


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    Hi Barry,

    I’ve always enjoyed our community’s unique “Wacco” list and have learned a lot. Since covid, some of the stuff being posted now is offputting—and even dangerous to the public health. Often I simply discard my digest. Did you once mention how to opt out of conspiracy posts?

    Thank you!
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    Thanks Paul-André. Also note while I excluded the Judith's long post with the full text (which I welcome), I included the link to her full text post in Judith's original summary post (that linked to the mercola.com)
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    ...I’ve always enjoyed our community’s unique “Wacco” list and have learned a lot. Since covid, some of the stuff being posted now is offputting—and even dangerous to the public health. Often I simply discard my digest. Did you once mention how to opt out of conspiracy posts?...
    Yeah, I know... That's why I try to segregate the conspiracy stuff down here in the 9th ward . No doubt, there is some value here... but it's buried deep.

    To remove this category from your digest, just goto our home page on the website (not the digest) and select what categories you want in your digest:


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    Re: Covid 21 - coming up. ...paid for by your tax dollars

    well, well, moved and dissed, BUT
    JAMES FELDERMAN
    BARRY CHERTOV
    PAUL-ANDRE SCHABRACQ
    not one of you has yet shown WHAT PART OF THIS ARTICLE IS UNTRUE.

    a factual article, moved to this 'conspiracy' category - which was titled and subtitled by barry himself, as "If you think Coronavirus is somebodies' evil plan, this category is for you!"
    simplistically, stupidly named; in keeping with the general contribution of cartoons to the discussion.

    and since even dialogue about this global catasrophe offends the delicate sensibilities of some (yes, talking to you, Diana Chambers) clearly some people prefer to not have to think too much about any of this, certainly not sully their minds with facts and explorations not matching up with media news feeds.

    Dante noted that “The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”

    Bring your refreshments with you.


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    Quote Posted in reply to the post by Jude Iam: View Post
    a factual article, moved to this 'conspiracy' category - which was titled and subtitled by barry himself, as "If you think Coronavirus is somebodies' evil plan, this category is for you!" ... clearly some people prefer to not have to think too much about any of this
    ok, that article didn't really need to be in a 'conspiracy' thread, because it hints at, rather than directly claims, nefarious conspiratorial doings. "Dr Fauci .. long backed dangerous research" and "Outrageously, Daszak has also been appointed ... " is reasonably mild. The inferences it makes are in line with a deeply conspiratorial view, though. It's all guilt by association. But, to try to wear the other side's goggles for a bit, pretty much all the MSM coverage of Trump's activities uses the same kind of phrasing and language. The difference is that there's a ton of corroborating evidence, and zero mitigating evidence, regarding Trump's actions. There aren't any plausible benign explanations. The reason the conspiracy stuff seems uncompelling is that there are plenty of benign explanations for the same actions. Doesn't mean there's zero possiblity that the conspiracies have at least some truth to them, but they're nothing more than mildly intriguing. People make fun of the conspiracy stuff because there's an avalanche of dense information that's never fully compelling, that's always subject to other (very plausible) interpretations.
    Of course, if you are doing evil, that's how you'd be trying to keep it!
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