Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"

[infojockey]

Yah, conspiracy is a labyrinth, everyone has an axe to grind and a lot of it is smoke screen designed to deflect attention off the real miscreants in the military-industrial complex, the Dulles CIA and the Wall St. investment banks, holding companies and insurance companies. My only solution is to read as much as possible and let the reality bits float to the surface. Keep your conclusions hypothetical, don't fetishize. ALL the info the citizenry needs to smash the crypto and neo fascists is online, but takes some savvy to suss. They have no secrets any longer and that is why things are coming to a head these days. It is endgame for them, we know who they are and who they control.

I ran the first and possibly the only conspiracy BBS in the country out of Oakland in the early 90's and have distilled the best of the files I had into a web page called "Psyops". It's got some good basic conspiracy 101 text files that are a decent foundation. Check it out - www.walteralter.com/psyops.htm

It's just a matter of trying to figure out which conspiracies are real. Then there's the conspiracies to convince people that such and such are conspiracies! Oy! {Emphasis added by Barry}

[infojockey]

The Plandemic video makes it pretty clear by whom and why the covid viruses were engineered. It can be viewed reliably at the producers' website - www.plandemicmovie.com

I agree with your general points, differing on your conclusion is that Covid 19 is naturally occurring; the exact biowarfare origin and accidental or intentional release remains unknown but likely., as far as i'm concerned.
Just 'coincidence' that for YEARS U.S. million$$$ funded the biowarfare lab in Wuhan?!

Created catastrophes still result in real deaths, so it's not "either or" but "both, and".
Jude

[Mayacaman]

Anybody on this thread think COVID-19 is a hoax? Asking for a friend.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...g-ers-n1201446

COVID-19 Is Real. It is deadly, and thousands have already died. But, as Rahm Emanuel said to a group of Wall Street Bankers after his pal Barack Obama was elected in 2008, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before...." -And the power elite are playing this crisis - to the hilt.

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[Mayacaman]

Kissinger, Eugenics And Depopulation
By Leuren Moret
11 - 20 - 2004

Dr. Henry Kissinger, who wrote: "Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." Research on population control, preventing future births, is now being carried out secretly by biotech companies. Dr. Ignacio Chapela, a University of California microbiologist, discovered that wild corn in remote parts of Mexico is contaminated with lab altered DNA. That discovery made him a threat to the biotech industry. Chapela was denied tenure at UC Berkeley when he reported this to the scientific community, despite the embarrassing discovery that UC Chancellor Berdahl, who was denying him tenure, was getting large cash payments - $40,000 per year - from the LAM Research Corp. in Plano, Texas. Berdahl served as president of Texas A&M University before coming to Berkeley. During a presentation about his case, Chapela revealed that a spermicidal corn developed by a U.S. company is now being tested in Mexico. Males who unknowingly eat the corn produce non-viable sperm and are unable to reproduce. Depopulation, also known as eugenics, is quite another thing and was proposed under the Nazis during World War II. It is the deliberate killing off of large segments of living populations and was proposed for Third World countries under President Carter's administration by the National Security Council's Ad Hoc Group on Population Policy. National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says: "Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S. Depopulation policy became the top priority under the NSC agenda, Club of Rome and U.S. policymakers like Gen. Alexander Haig, Cyrus Vance, Ed Muskie and Kissinger. According to an NSC spokesman at the time, the United States shared the view of former World Bank President Robert McNamara that the "population crisis" is a greater threat to U.S. national security interests than nuclear annihilation.In 1975, Henry Kissinger established a policy-planning group in the U.S. State Department's Office of Population Affairs. The depopulation "GLOBAL 2000" document for President Jimmy Carter was prepared. It is no surprise that this policy was established under President Carter with help from Kissinger and Brzezinski - all with ties to David Rockefeller. The Bush family, the Harriman family - the Wall Street business partners of Bush in financing Hitler - and the Rockefeller family are the elite of the American eugenics movement. Even Prince Philip of Britain, a member of the Bilderberg Group, is in favor of depopulation: "If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels" (Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund, quoted in "Are You Ready for Our New Age Future?" Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December 1995). Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been proposing, funding and building Bio-Weapons Level 3 and Level 4 labs at many places around the U.S. even on university campuses and in densely populated urban locations. In a Bio-Weapons Level 4 facility, a single bacteria or virus is lethal. Bio-Weapons Level 4 is the highest level legally allowed in the continental U.S. For what purpose are these labs being developed, and who will make the decisions on where bio-weapons created in these facilities will be used and on whom? More than 20 world-class microbiologists have been murdered since 2002, mostly in the U.S. and the UK. Nearly all were working on development of ethnic-specific bio-weapons (see Smart Dust, Roboflies &). Citizens around the U.S. are frantically filing lawsuits to stop these labs on campuses and in communities where they live. Despite the opposition of residents living near UC Davis, where a Bio-Weapons Level 4 lab was planned, it had the support of the towns mayor. She suddenly reversed her position after a monkey escaped from a high security primate facility on the campus where the bio-weapons lab was proposed. Residents claimed that if UC Davis could not keep monkeys from escaping from their cages, they certainly could not guarantee that a single virus or bacteria would not escape from a test tube. The AWOL monkey killed the project (see Smart Dust, Roboflies&). Population is a political problem. The extreme secrecy surrounding the takeover of nuclear weapons, NASA and the space program and the development of numerous bio-weapons labs is a threat to civil society, especially in the hands of the military and corporations. The fascist application of all three of these programs can be used to achieve established U.S. government depopulation policy goals, which may eliminate 2 billion of the worlds existing population through war, famine, disease and any other methods necessary. Two excellent examples of existing U.S. depopulation policy are, first, the long-term impact on the civilian population from Agent Orange in Vietnam, where the Rockefellers built oil refineries and aluminum plants during the Vietnam War. The second is the permanent contamination of the Middle East and Central Asia with depleted uranium, which, unfortunately, will destroy the genetic future of the populations living in those regions and will also have a global effect already reflected in increases in infant mortality reported in the U.S., Europe, and the UK. References Birth defects: The Tiny Victims of Desert Storm, Life photo-essay (1995), http://www.life.com/Life/essay/gulfwar/gulf01.html. Statement by Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, http://homepage.mac.com /kaaawa/iblog/C337802379/E1557478132/ Smart dust, roboflies, microbugs: "UC is spying on you" by Leuren Moret, San Francisco Bay View, Feb. 26, 2003, http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/2003/Berkeley-Library-Classified22feb03.htm. San Francisco Bay View National Black Newspaper 4917 Third Street San Francisco California 94124 Phone: (415) 671-0789 Fax: (415) 671-0316 [email protected] http://www.sfbayview.com/110304/ucregents110304.shtml

[infojockey]

Hitler and his stormtrooper goons praised the US Eugenics movement one of whose founding members was Planned Parenthood's Margaret Sanger, and used the US model as the inspiration for their Tiergartenstrasse 4 death camp training program where developmentally challenged Germans housed in a half dozen mental institutions, principally Hadamar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadamar_Euthanasia_Centre were murdered in the backs of Army troop carrier trucks by piping the exhaust gases into the rear compartment and then going for a "drive". The bodies were then cremated in a crematorium specifically designed for the purpose and identical to the later ones built at the big Nazi death camps. SS death camp commanders were desensitized to mass murder during training sessions at these German mental institutions. Goebbels called the mentally unfit "useless bread gobblers". These are the roots of "Planned Parenthood". All this info I've just quoted is available a mouse click away. All the information you need to adequately target and defeat the actual Nazis, the coat and tie Nazis in big pharma, Monsanto and the rest of corporate and financier America is there for you to educate yourself with by the mere lifting of a finger. What the ding dong hell is stopping you? Start here - www.walteralter.com/psyops.htm

[occihoff]

So is it your theory that the Chinese developed it for biowarfare but it accidentally got released and decimated China as well?

I agree with your general points, differing on your conclusion is that Covid 19 is naturally occurring; the exact biowarfare origin and accidental or intentional release remains unknown but likely., as far as i'm concerned. ...

[Jude Iam]

What we know is that Fauci funded "gain of function' research in the Wuhan lab after US wouldn't proceed here. Is it ours? theirs? both? Unholy alliance to create evil bioweapons. I know nothing more and welcome hearing if/when anyone does.
Still waiting to learn WHY FAUCI ISN'T BEING PROSECUTED FOR DOING THAT CLEARLY ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL ACT. Jude

So is it your theory that the Chinese developed it for biowarfare but it accidentally got released and decimated China as well?

[occihoff]

So are you against today's Planned Parenthood? Do you agree that human population explosion all over the world is a serious threat, not only to human survival, but to the other species? What else but widespread use of birth control is going to reverse this catastrophic trend?

Hitler and his stormtrooper goons praised the US Eugenics movement one of whose founding members was Planned Parenthood's Margaret Sanger, and used the US model as the inspiration for their Tiergartenstrasse 4 death camp training ...

[occihoff]

I don't understand what you mean by "gain of function" research and the rest of what you are saying here.

What we know is that Fauci funded "gain of function' research in the Wuhan lab ...

[Mayacaman]

I don't understand what you mean by "gain of function" research and the rest of what you are saying here.

Richard, aka, occihoff, Evidently you missed the dialog on the other thread : "Robert F Kennedy Jr Exposes Gates' Globalist Vaccine Agenda", in which I focused on the meaning of the term "gain-of-function" research as it applies to the field of virology. Here is a clip of what I wrote there:


"For the present, let us simply examine one term that professor Peter Boyle speaks of in his interviews with Dr. Joseph Mercola – the phenomena of “gain-of-function” research on corona-viruses that originate in bat caves in China. He has a lot to say about it – none of it very charitable or especially forgiving. He also says categorically that the BSL-4 Laboratory in Wuhan, China is a “Bio-weapons Lab” He does not mince words.

Dr. Peter Daszak, on the other hand, failed to mention to Amy Goodman’s listeners on Democracy Now! “O, by the way, I was doing “gain-of-function” research on Corona-viruses from bat caves in China at the lab in Wuhan.” –A big glitch. But the journalist, Fred Guterl, in his article in Newsweek fills in that gap:


"...The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was completed in 2019.

A second phase of the project, beginning that year [2019, ed.] included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology. NIH canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported. Daszak did not immediately respond to Newsweek requests for comment..."

-And Josh Rogin, in the article in the Washington Post fleshes out a little more detail about the nature of “gain-of-function research” :

"The research was designed to prevent the next SARS-like pandemic by anticipating how it might emerge. But even in 2015, other scientists questioned whether Shi’s team was taking unnecessary risks. In October 2014, [under Obama, ed.] the U.S. government had imposed a moratorium on funding of any research that makes a virus more deadly or contagious, known as “gain-of-function” experiments."

Again, I call the waccobbians attention to the cognitive dissonance between the words of professor Francis Boyle and Dr. Peter Daszak.

-As I said- You makes your choices
and you takes the consequences...

Coronavirus- Interview with Dr. Francis A. Boyle

Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Interview with Dr. Francis A. Boyle
- April 24, 2020



"Pure Baloney": Zoologist Debunks Trump's COVID-19 Origin Theory, Explains Animal-Human Transmission
{Dr. Daszak on Democracy Now !)


So the Question really becomes - and remains - "Is Covid-19 a Bio-Weapon or not?"

[Barry]

Hitler and his stormtrooper goons praised the US Eugenics movement one of whose founding members was Planned Parenthood's Margaret Sanger, and used the US model as the inspiration for their Tiergartenstrasse 4 death camp training program where developmentally challenged Germans housed in a half dozen mental institutions, principally Hadamar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadamar_Euthanasia_Centre were murdered in the backs of Army troop carrier trucks by piping the exhaust gases into the rear compartment and then going for a "drive". ... These are the roots of "Planned Parenthood"....

Not so! Margaret Sanger only advocated depopulation via birth control rather than mass murder. From wikipedia:

Sanger's eugenics policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods, and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, as well as compulsory segregation or sterilization for the "profoundly retarded".[117][118] Sanger wrote, "we [do not] believe that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding."[119] In personal correspondence she expressed her sadness about the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program, and donated to the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda.[118]

[infojockey]

Hey, Richard, you remember a guy named Buckminster Fuller? Geodesic domes, tech guru to the 1960's counter culture? Why is he no longer discussed or even remembered? Could it be because he concluded that humanity, in creating a "design science revolution" (his words) could feed, clothe and house a 1000 fold increase in human population upon the planet? Is that why he was written out of the radical 60's playbook? Have you ever flown over America? How much unpopulated land did you see? Do you understand how technology works? Why has the left been turned into technophobic marionettes? Does anyone have any idea of the power of technology to transform the planet from a dog eat dog world of Malthusian conflict? Do you know who Thomas Malthus was and what sort of ideological neo Darwinist proto Nazi clap trap he entranced the 18th century intelligentsia with? Let me encourage you to Google this term - "useless bread gobbler". Get back to me on what you find.

So are you against today's Planned Parenthood? Do you agree that human population explosion all over the world is a serious threat, not only to human survival, but to the other species? What else but widespread use of birth control is going to reverse this catastrophic trend?

[infojockey]

Sanger came under pressure to resynthesize and sanitize some of her previous work when WWII rolled around. Yet she and her associates cannot shake off the stink of Malthusian and Social Darwinist plantation breeder proto-Nazism. There is just too much evidence documented in print from her own mouth that she was privy to neanderthal Nietschiean race purification schematics. It's a hard nut to swallow for leftists and progressives whose blood ties to reproductive freedom refuse to entrain the fruits of European ubermenschian colonial racism. This shit can't be whitewashed any longer. This is the goddamned Age of Info and all you need to destroy the psychosis of culturally rationalized and reified and sublimated sadism is a MOUSE CLICK AWAY. Anyone can do it and that's why this epoch in history is aptly named "Endgame". In the words of Zen jack in the box Alan Watts, "This is it, this is really it".

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Exclusive – D’Souza: The Hitler-Sanger Connection

DINESH D'SOUZA1 Sep 2017

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, has an ignoble legacy as a racist who addressed the Ku Klux Klan and initiated a Negro Project to reduce the population of poor, uneducated African Americans whom she considered unfit to reproduce themselves. This Margaret Sanger—the real Margaret Sanger—is completely whitewashed in Parenthood propaganda, which deceitfully portrays Sanger as a champion of reproductive “choice.”
Even more incriminating than Sanger’s racism, however, is her close association with Nazism. Sanger was part of a community of American progressives who championed two remedies to get rid of “unfit” populations. The first was forced sterilization, which was Sanger’s preferred solution.

Sanger wanted to make it look like the sterilizations were voluntary. In a 1932 article, Sanger called for women to be segregated from the larger community onto “farms and homesteads” where they would be “taught to work under competent instructors” and prevented from reproducing “for the period of their entire lives.” If the women didn’t want to live this way, they could get out of it by consenting to be sterilized.²

The other progressive solution was “euthanasia,” which basically involved killing off the sick, the aged, and the physically and mentally disabled. One of Sanger’s colleagues, the California progressive Paul Popenoe, called for “lethal chambers” so that large numbers of “unfit” people could be systematically lined up and killed.³

The Nazis learned about these American programs, and enthusiastically adopted them. As Edwin Black documents in his book The War Against the Weak, the Nazi sterilization law of 1933 and the subsequent Nazi euthanasia laws were both based on blueprints drawn up by Sanger, Popenoe and other American progressives.⁴

Continues here

Not so! Margaret Sanger only advocated depopulation via birth control rather than mass murder. From wikipedia:
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[wisewomn]

Gain-of-function mutation: A mutation that confers new or enhanced activity on a protein. Loss-of-function mutations, which are more common, result in reduced or abolished protein function.

And here's more than you ever wanted to know, Occi: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/

I don't understand what you mean by "gain of function" research and the rest of what you are saying here.

[Mayacaman]

Gain-of-function mutation: A mutation that confers new or enhanced activity on a protein. Loss-of-function mutations, which are more common, result in reduced or abolished protein function.

And here's more than you ever wanted to know, Occi: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/

When it comes to Virology as it is practiced in BSL-4 {Bioweapons} Labs, '"gain-of-function research" has a somewhat more sinister meaning, wisewomn. Here is the definition, gleaned from the link you yourself provided. Remember * ?

"...Josh Rogin, in the article in the Washington Post fleshes out a little more detail about the nature of “gain-of-function research” :

"The research was designed to prevent the next SARS-like pandemic by anticipating how it might emerge. But even in 2015, other scientists questioned whether Shi’s team was taking unnecessary risks. In October 2014, [under Obama, ed.] the U.S. government had imposed a moratorium on funding of any research that makes a virus more deadly or contagious, known as “gain-of-function” experiments."

Get that? I'll repeat it again, in case you somehow missed the meaning:

"...any research that makes a virus more deadly or contagious, known as “gain-of-function” experiments."

Zen Koan: "There is none so blind as he/she who will not see."

*

Here are a few more credible (to me) articles about COVID-19 and Wuhan:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...and-coronaviru

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...coronaviruses/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ics-are-wrong/

[Chauncey Gardner]

What most Americans know today about world war two could be fit into a very small envelope but the facts are there for all those inquiring minds. From the top though we must understand that the US had everything to do with creating and forming the NAZI's. Then when the war was over all the main brains of the fascists went to the Pentagon and Nasa. Everything.

This 3HOUR DOCUMENTARY will help you understand who we are as a country and how we have gotten to this place and why anytime the mass media or the government is hyping something we can be assured that their is true evil afoot. Get your info snak on here (video on right)

There is no reason to believe that the USG has not created and manipulated virus strains. There is also no credible reason not to also hold that the Corona is a mental virus laid over the top of the regular flu season and then weaponized with salacious word soup utilized by the media programming. This particular virus which everyone here in west country has most assuredly been exposed to in the late part of last year or early Jan. There is no way to stop such a pandemic with the way it was done. There can be no essential services. There can be no one anywhere doing anything. Think about the money exchanging hands all day and then wonder why you need this fucking mask.

My best guess is that wall street had created such a massive bubble since 2008 that the only way not to collapse the US economy and send people into a gun tottin revolution was to have this virus as a soft landing. In order to reset the US and entire world economy after the feeding frenzy of the last 11 years by the same people that brought us 911 have presented us with this fun and satisfying way of living out the worlds worst financial collapse since 1932 and you are still driving around with your mask on your face in your own car thinking how clever you are.

[Barry]

[Mayacaman]

Mayacaman wrote:
...The power elite have been plotting and planning to depopulate the planet for a long time. They are the ones who have been spouting that anti-life rhetoric for the past fifty years. Their “Plan” is now in full swing. The plutocrats are busy, working for a neo-feudal future.

wisewomn wrote:
Oh, come on, M-man. Tell that to the thousands of other species that are going or have gone extinct because of human encroachment on their habitats and human pollution. All that available land that you go on about is already in use by non-humans. It's not just about H. sap, you know.

Further, I think that this enthusiasm for a big secret conspiracy orchestrated by elites is just one more example of human arrogance--the need to believe that these calamities are under the control of other human beings, rather than being the natural consequences of our collective selfishness and unconsciousness. The Malthusian Doctrine still holds true, like it or not.

Finally, what purpose does it serve, even if your conspiracy theory were correct, to prate on and on about it? Does it give you a puffed-up sense of self-importance to believe you are privy to some special knowledge not available to everyone? I never see any solutions or remedies offered up or enacted by all you True Believers. If there aren't any, if nothing can be done, then why bother to go on about it? Do you want to sit back and let someone else deal with it, while you wag your fingers and say, "I told you so?"
Shades of Chicken Little.

I realize that I have to deal with this because I passed on it before. And I passed on it because I perceived a certain amount of nastiness in it that I did not want to address. I’d rather not be combative, and contend with others on an adversarial footing. –And because it really requires an essay to answer all of the points you made, wisewomn.

In the first place, please don’t slur my ‘handle’ “Mayacaman.” You may call me by my name, which is Mark. Jefferson Donley aka, “cyberanvil” did that, and he was distinctly an adversary – not only to me, but to everyone else, in general, on WaccoBB.net.

I shall address your points one by one: Who have been the arbiters of the extinction of the many species that are going extinct on our Green Planet, Terra?

Answer: the capitalist owners of the industrial and substance cartels who have heedlessly polluted the Air, the forests, the hills, the plains, the Ocean, rivers and waterways with horrific pollution for the past two hundred years. Are we in agreement on this point?

And Who are these capitalists who own the means of production and have acquired monopolies over Coal, Oil, Iron, Tin, Tungsten, Gold, Silver, & Diamonds, etc.? –The same “power elite” who are now busy executing their Plan to depopulate the Earth of “useless eaters” i.e., humans.

Now you may not like this thesis. You may call it a “conspiracy theory.” You already have. Yet it is well documented that this is the Plan of the Power Elite. It isn’t a secret. They don’t even take the trouble to hide it. It is all out in the open. But naïve souls like you choose not to see the writing on the wall.

And, as far as the nearly one quarter billion acres of “Public Domain” that I “go on about [that] is already in use by non-humans” all that I was suggesting on the Open Committee Towards Solutions on the Homeless Crisis thread was that there is ample space in North America for the Homeless to be housed.

Perhaps you think that the Homeless should be allowed to “die off” on account of “natural selection”? That is precisely the Plan of the oligarchs. I suggest that you have unconsciously imbibed the morality of the Oppressors. Franz Fanon wrote about this phenomenon. He called it ”internalizing owns own oppression.”

“Further, I think that this enthusiasm for a big secret conspiracy orchestrated by elites is just one more example of human arrogance--the need to believe that these calamities are under the control of other human beings, rather than being the natural consequences of our collective selfishness and unconsciousness. The Malthusian Doctrine still holds true, like it or not.”

It really does all boil down to the Question of whether Covid-19 is a Bio-weapon or not. After examining much of the evidence, I have come to the conclusion that it is a Bio-weapon. -Which is an Idea and concept that evidently is too painful and difficult for a lot of liberals to grasp. They'd rather believe that it is "Nature's Revenge" for our collective heedlessness.

I must say in my own defense that I resent being called a “conspiracy theorist” - as Barry has repeatedly insinuated and pro-actively done - quarantining my posts, and isolating me from public discourse in this forum. Because I am not such an one. I hate and despise the term.

And when you, wisewomn say, “…I think that this enthusiasm for a big secret conspiracy orchestrated by elites is just one more example of human arrogance…” you are in effect showing your ignorance – and it is willful disregard – for the facts as they relate to the Bio-warfare Programs of the major powers.

“The Malthusian Doctrine still holds true, like it or not.” So, you are at heart a Malthusian? - an interesting confession. Do you have any Idea at all what Malthusianism entails? –And who Thomas Malthus actually was – and how his “doctrine” is the justification for the “culling of the herd” that is now underway? I think not.

“Finally, what purpose does it serve, even if your conspiracy theory were correct, to prate on and on about it? Does it give you a puffed-up sense of self-importance to believe you are privy to some special knowledge not available to everyone? I never see any solutions or remedies offered up or enacted by all you True Believers. If there aren't any, if nothing can be done, then why bother to go on about it? Do you want to sit back and let someone else deal with it, while you wag your fingers and say, "I told you so?" Shades of Chicken Little”

My “conspiracy theory” - wow. Again, it isn’t a “conspiracy theory.” It is a conspiracy fact. And the “elites” are doing it all out in the open. Just look at the “Table Top Exercise” they conducted in October in New York City – “Event 201.” It can all be accessed on the Internet these days –as Walter Alter put it, “just a mouse-click away.”

They know they can get away with it because they have long since successfully brainwashed most {demographically, let’s just say, the majority} of the masses into herd acceptance of what they hear on the Main Stream Media...

As far as my “prating on and on about it” - I am merely amassing a body of evidence. That is all. The West County public may do with it what each of them, individually choose to do. For my part, I am speaking truth to power = “Blows against the Empire,” so to speak. You yourself know well that, as Paul Simon said, “a man (or womn) hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest…”

Now, I know that the World despises Christians. –So much is obvious. In the world today, there is a vast harvest of Christians who are being made Martyrs – hundreds of thousands of “Believers” are being killed for their confession. Did you know that?

But I don’t call myself a “True Believer.” I don’t go to church. I am not a member of any Christian club. And by many fundamentalists -and Orthodox- I have been told, in the course of my life, over the past fifty years, that I am a “heretic.”

That is because I believe (having seen a vision of Her on July 3, 1968,) that the “Holy Spirit” is “SOPHIA” –(i.e., feminine.) That’s a “heresy” to the bulk of confessing “Christians.” Furthermore, I am a “Christian” who favors the Tao de Ching and who believes that the “Tao” of Lao Tzu is synonymous with the “Logos” of the Gospel. -That the One who Lao Tzu called the "Tao" was the pre-incarnated Being who six centuries later 'tabernacled' in the Body of Christ. And to ‘fundamentalists’ that, also, is “heresy.”

So, Please, wisewomn, don’t put me into some stupid box, the better to define who you think I am. This one ( i ) refuse(s) to be categorized. And I strenuously disagree that belief in God and the tendency to “believe in conspiracy theories” are somehow part of the same dementia – which is, quite evidently, an article of your own personal ‘faith’ – along with a belief in ‘the truth of the Malthusian doctrine.’

Incidentally, caromia 333, who gave you gratitude for your post, has also seen a vision of the LORD, Jesus Christ, in her little life. I happen to know this for a fact. She saw Him in the immediate aftermath of a fatal car accident in the Colorado Rockies, back in the 1970's. -An accident which killed one (or two) of her friends and in which she was the only unscathed party. I wonder if she shares that Vision with anyone these days.

[occihoff]

Hi infojockey! I appreciate your scholarship, but I just have to say that the idea of a 1000-fold increase in human population upon the planet is my idea of total horror and disaster! The "unpopulated land" you speak of is actually populated by wonderful living plants and non-human animals whom I love and do not wish to harm. The Earth's current human population is to a large degree a scene of ecological catastrophe, trash, poverty, and warfare!

I think you and I just have a very different vision of what a bright future for the world would consist of. I do harbor some hope at least that over time humanity will evolve emotionally and culturally to a point where most people will cooperate for the good of all instead of running roughshod over each other, as is too often the case at present.

Hey, Richard, you remember a guy named Buckminster Fuller? ...

[occihoff]

Why would the Master Capitalists want to eliminate large portions of the population? Wouldn't they want to encourage population growth so as to grow bigger and bigger markets for their products?

[infojockey]

I direct anyone who finds it needful to delegitimize "conspiracy theory" to the 1975 Senate Church Committee hearings that revealed the secret mind fuckery programs of the CIA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee ANY person or entity involved with a program or action requiring secrecy is a CONSPIRATOR engaged in a CONSPIRACY. Conspiracy is as common as dirt, used by everyone on a daily basis. The problem arises when MY conspiracy theory does not coincide with YOUR conspiracy theory. For those of you who believe that Monsanto is trying to monopolize all agricultural seed production...you are a conspiracy theorist.

[amayon]

Why would the Master Capitalists want to eliminate large portions of the population? Wouldn't they want to encourage population growth so as to grow bigger and bigger markets for their products?

Richard,

The short answer is that their aim is not money. Their aim is to inaugurate a two-class world system consisting of themselves, the neo-aristocrats, and a manageable population of slaves, the neo-serfs. They have dubbed this system "neo-feudalism." In other words, their motivation is psychological, in the sense of total control, rather than financial. We are dealing with psychopaths. They don't need all these billions of people, only a few hundred million. Much easier to control, much more liberated resources.

[infojockey]

ALL problems of trash production can be solved with technology, particularly the technology of education. When you raise the specter of species extinction you need to examine how "Mother" Nature actually works - 5 near extinction level events that nearly wiped all life off the planet, with an hypothetical 6th event happening 13000 years ago wiping out the Clovis civilization along with over 250 species in North America alone, and causing an ice age.

Migratory patterns and sufficient habitat can be created to protect all species AND increase human population 1000 times. You really have no idea about how much land is available for rational human exploitation. Dune deserts that support no life is a place to start. Vertical cities is another.

Overpopulation is another compulsive fetish fixation that allows the elite to justify the murder of unwanted populations. The Nestle's infant food formula scandal is the tip of that ideological iceberg. This is a Nazi conceptual framework that you and a lot of other people have been propagandized to accept uncritically.

With science and technology there are no limits to growth if done in a scientific and technologically amplified manner. The left's technophobia is an exercise in hypocrisy. If technology is evil, stop using it. If technology is useful but gets itself subverted by evil, then hate the evil, not the technology.

Hi infojockey! I appreciate your scholarship, but I just have to say that the idea of a 1000-fold increase in human population upon the planet is my idea of total horror and disaster! ...

[infojockey]

Occultist racism. It's that simple.

Why would the Master Capitalists want to eliminate large portions of the population? Wouldn't they want to encourage population growth so as to grow bigger and bigger markets for their products?

[occihoff]

Well, at least they're not greedy money-grubbers!

So you think it really doesn't take that many workers to run our world economy--all the food production, science, engineering, invention, manufacturing, distribution, etc, etc, etc ? And even those citizens who are highly educated and aware will just grundle along content in their slavery and kowtowing to the Ubermeisters like cattle?

The short answer is that their aim is not money. Their aim is to inaugurate a two-class world system consisting of themselves, the neo-aristocrats, and a manageable population of slaves, the neo-serfs. ...

[occihoff]

Huh?

Occultist racism. It's that simple.

[occihoff]

Yes, mass species extinction! Looks like we're working on it.

I'll be happy to visit you in your charming vertical city apartment in the desert, infojockey, but I have no plans to abandon my redwood forest home.

I don't hate the technology, only the madness of the people who often employ it!

ALL problems of trash production can be solved with technology, particularly the technology of education. When you raise the specter of species extinction you need to examine how "Mother" Nature actually works - 5 near extinction level events that nearly wiped all life off the planet, with an hypothetical 6th event happening 13000 years ago wiping out the Clovis civilization along with over 250 species in North America alone, and causing an ice age.

Migratory patterns and sufficient habitat can be created to protect all species AND increase human population 1000 times. You really have no idea about how much land is available for rational human exploitation. Dune deserts that support no life is a place to start. Vertical cities is another.

Overpopulation is another compulsive fetish fixation that allows the elite to justify the murder of unwanted populations. The Nestle's infant food formula scandal is the tip of that ideological iceberg. This is a Nazi conceptual framework that you and a lot of other people have been propagandized to accept uncritically.

With science and technology there are no limits to growth if done in a scientific and technologically amplified manner. The left's technophobia is an exercise in hypocrisy. If technology is evil, stop using it. If technology is useful but gets itself subverted by evil, then hate the evil, not the technology.

[amayon]

...So you think it really doesn't take that many workers to run our world economy--all the food production, science, engineering, invention, manufacturing, distribution, etc, etc, etc ? ...

No, it does not take billions of people to produce food and technology for a couple hundred thousand controllers. The whole enterprise can be scaled back. That's why they call the common people "useless eaters."

The educated and aware are fighting this scourge right now, and are being censored and killed for it. Most people are mentally cattle-like already. If the globalists win, there will be no education, and the common people will be chemically abused to be incapable of higher thought. For example, if the masses trundle in to receive the globally-mandated coronavirus vaccine, their genome will be permanently altered. It's a new generation of vaccines designed to create "new humans" - ostensibly more immunologically robust ones. They're going to change your DNA. It might cause thousands of unwanted mutations though. There have been no safety tests. Feeling lucky? These same people don't breathe a word about vitamin c, D3, zinc, the foundations of a healthy immune system.

[Mayacaman]

Mayacaman wrote:
...The power elite have been plotting and planning to depopulate the planet for a long time. They are the ones who have been spouting that anti-life rhetoric for the past fifty years. Their “Plan” is now in full swing. The plutocrats are busy, working for a neo-feudal future.

Why would the Master Capitalists want to eliminate large portions of the population? Wouldn't they want to encourage population growth so as to grow bigger and bigger markets for their products?

Richard, Sorry for the delay / lag in getting back to you on this. I have been busy looking for a cartoon by the socialist cartoonist, Art Young, from the First World War era that depicted a Capitalist imperiously commanding a young Woman of the working class, "Breed" - I couldn't find it on-line. Unfortunately, I gave the book - which was my grandmother's special treasure - to the Tamiment Library @ NYU after the death of my mother. -Big mistake.

The point being, "Once upon a Time..." the Ruling Class really did want there to be plenty of serfs. This fulfilled the principle of Marx's "reserve army of labor" (i.e., with plenty of plebes around, wages would remain low).

=However=

In the "technatronic era" the power elite really do not need or want to maintain a "reserve army of labor." The new Agenda is to cull the population and depopulate the "useless eaters." - That's a phrase that the Anglo-Norman ruling class actually use to describe the rest of us. Check out the "Georgia Guidestones"

That this notion - of depopulation - was initially discovered by the so-called "Labor Committees" (i.e. the Lyndon LaRouche faction of the former Students for a Democratic Society) in the late 1970's, has tended to place this Idea in the pale of "conspiracy thinking." That is unfortunate - because the notion holds water, and the facts of the matter are well-documented, and irrefutable - except for those who are ideologically immune to anything that they chose to discredit as a "conspiracy theory."

The "National Caucus of Labor Committees" (i.e., LaRouchies) came up with this thesis in the process of reading between the lines in the Book, "The Global 2000 Report to the President: Prospects for the 21st Century" - which was commissioned by president Carter in 1977.

I'll never forget the day that I first became aware of this Agenda of the Super-Rich. During the Summer of 1979, I worked as a Salmon puller on the fishing boat of Nat Bingham out of Noyo Harbor. Nat was an unforgettable character and one of my mentors.

It was a bright, sunny day off of Point Delgado when the Salmon had slipped the fleet, and we were running (@ 16 knots) down to Bodega, where some fisherman had decreed on the mickey mouse (CB) that a new school of Salmon had just arrived from Tahiti in the waters off the West Coast.

Nat set the boat on course, and I, having some time on my hands was able to enjoy the spectacle of a school of porpoises who swam circles around us as we headed down the coast, en route to Bodega. :[That, I will add, as an aside, was one of the most wonderful spectacles I ever was witness to in my little life - to see a pod of porpoises swimming circles around us at forty knots an hour to our sixteen, quite visibly laughing, smiling and leaping in the air as they swam.]:

Nat then turned to me and said "There's something I think I should tell you..."

I'll be brief. Nat said, in short, that, as a member of the Bingham Family (One of "America's Sixty Families") he would go back home to Connecticut every other year or so, and hobnob with his cousins. Cutting to the Chase, what he said was this: 'The power elite have a Plan: in the Future, they want there to be only two Classes: "Alphas" (after Huxley's "Brave New World") and "Drones" (after the social structure of the Bee-hive). "You just watch.. They intend to break the Middle Class until it no longer exists..."

Now that may sound like the script of a novel by Philip K. Dick but, unfortunately, It is so. In the intervening forty years, I have had the time to research this 'notion' and, as I said, it holds water.

[infojockey]

The ruling class oligarchy absolutely has a master plan for humanity and it is not pretty. It is straight up Nazi and more - there is an esoteric Theosophical substrate to it. Nazism was shaped in its early years by several Theosophical spinoffs. Google - Guido Karl Anton List, Hans Horbigger, Lans Von Liebenfels, Dietrich Eckhart, Julius Evola, Savitri Devi. In its essence, Nazism was a RELIGIOUS movement. The Waffen SS had a ritual chamber at Castle Wewelsburg, Himmler's Grail Castle, the planned "Vatican" of the coming Nazi religious upheaval and takeover of the world. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wewelsburg Berlin was to be the political headquarters of Nazi domination of the world, but Wewelsburg was to become the Religious headquarters of a brutish Nordic Black Magic. Be very glad that Hitler was defeated.

Nazism had fascist followers in all the nations of the world, and the European and some Asian ones had volunteers fighting for Germany. Over a million men from France, Holland, Belgium, Finland, Norway, Spain, Denmark, Hungary, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Albania, Romania, India, Tibet served in the frontline Wehrmacht and SS. America had the fascist German American Bund and the America First society. England had some 50 or so Brits fighting for the Nazis and the Americans had a couple dozen. Wall St. helped put Hitler in power - Anthony Sutton - "Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler". Hopefully this virus shutdown time will allow aware people to educate themselves about the truths within conspiracy research.

More at www.walteralter.com/psyops.htm