"Ordinary" Californians May Need to Fight Back

[robert777]

A massive response may need to occur when and if the oligarchy actually proceeds with drilling for oil off our coast.

Here's a link to a story (with 63 photos) on how Californians did that in the past. Then, it was nuclear energy, now it's oil.

Robert

https://www.sfchronicle.com/thetake/...photo-10489978

[Damage]

Umm, there is already oil rigs off the coast of California. From Obispo to Oceanside. Why are you so worried about platforms? If it is about the environment, what about all the wells in Kern? Oh wait, Trump, okay.

[Hotspring 44]

The Deepwater Horizon oil spill is a prime example of why not.

Imagine a oil well casing breach like the Deepwater Horizon somewhere "offshore" and then realize that all well casings will protrude through the ocean floor into the ocean water below the well's 'platform' all the way to the drill-rig's platform.

Massive quantities of crude oil from a 'breach' from an offshore oil/gas well casing, (or other pressurized breach/leak) would inevitably end up along miles of the coastline.
At least the Deepwater Horizon 'spill' was in an area that for the most part spread on the surface more evenly in a radial 'pattern' than how it would spread if that were to happen in ocean just offshore of the west coast (of USA).

Minimally, everywhere from Santa Barbara North to the Colombia River would be at high risk of being in the high concentration zone/s of such oil 'spill'; could even end up further South beyond the US/Mexico borderline.

An oil 'spill' off the US West coast would be disastrous and an environmental nightmare.
Then there is the long-term psychological human health effects and long-term physical effects.

A partial list of what long term human health effects that have been noted:
(https://oceana.org/press-center/pres...er-horizon-oil)

-The 50,000 people involved in the spill cleanup were exposed to chemicals that severely damage lung tissue.

-Cleanup workers and their spouses reported increased depression and domestic disputes.

-Even Gulf residents indirectly affected by the spill suffered from increased anxiety and depression.

-It can take a decade or more for oil spill victims to recover from the physical and psychological effects of an oil disaster.

-The impact of the oil spill on fisheries could total $8.7 billion by 2020, including the loss of 22,000 jobs.

-10 million user-days of beach, fishing and boating activity were lost.

Umm, there is already oil rigs off the coast of California. From Obispo to Oceanside. Why are you so worried about platforms?

About:

Why are you so worried about platforms? If it is about the environment, what about all the wells in Kern? Oh wait, Trump, okay.

Hmm'... Trump you say?... ...Bakersfield air quality

Not same as offshore; The oil fields (not "platforms") in Kern County are on land in an area that at this point in time is not as likely to have a 'gusher well' now as it has in the past.
Even if it were to happen in any of the Kern county oil fields, it is by a vast magnitude easier to cap and tap a gushing breach of any kind in a Kern County oil field compared to an offshore oil or gas well 'platform' located in the Pacific Ocean.

For one thing; in the Pacific Ocean a few miles offshore the waves do commonly get over 20 feet, there is not anywhere near enough data about the near seafloor currents to even know if a cap and tap like the one that was eventually done to end the Deepwater Horizon blowout would be doable at all.
Capping a high pressure oil well casing breach and stopping a 'blow-out' offshore along the the Eastern Pacific Ocean is still not a proven doable scenario even in a best case scenario by a long-shot; the technology for that just does not exist. Never mind a worst case scenario.

[Hot Compost]

Corexit - the poison used to dissolve the oil after the Deepwater Horizon spill.

Obama - the man who stood by & did nothing, while BP destroyed the Gulf.


The problem isn't drilling for oil. It's the way American and English oil companies drill for oil.

[Hotspring 44]

Yes, the Corexit Oil Dispersant Used By BP was/is another added factor that caused more and differing damage to what had already been damaged from the oil spill.

Corexit - the poison used to dissolve the oil after the Deepwater Horizon spill.

I don't think that Obama did literally "nothing" but I get your point.

Obama - the man who stood by & did nothing, while BP destroyed the Gulf.

I am also not so sure that what you are saying here is limited to just US and UK... ...Just sayin.

The problem isn't drilling for oil. It's the way American and English oil companies drill for oil.

[Damage]

I think we are missing the point on this, Robert (I think) was saying we needed to fight back. (Protesting is stupid! Look at Occupy Wall St for an example, if you are responding to this thread on your IPhone, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!) and your iPhone was made with petroleum products.

Most of the “Oligarchy” that Robert refers to is not Trump himself, he doesn’t own any oil company’s outright that I know of. It’s Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Chevron, Exxon, ConocoPhillips, Totoal S.A., and the likes.

I am VERY familiar with Deep Water Horizon, I have my $500 check from BP because of my Mississippi fishing license.

As SEALWATCHER put it. We might as well burn dung, move away from fossil fuel? What solar? Wind farm? Both take land! Good thing your name isn’t BIRDWATCHERS, Obama admin regulations allow wind turbines to kill 4200 bald eagles per company, watch that happen.

What HOTSPRING pointed out. I think WE ALREADY have oil platforms off the coast ALREADY. I think a oil spill is bad anyway you put it but a spill off the coast of California is still in a ocean and not a gulf (Yes, Gulf of Mexico is still a gulf) Reports of fracking causing environmental harm to soil where our food comes from. Earthquake concerns etc.

In the end, I think that Robert has TDS so anything Trump does to his precious California is gonna make him mad. End of story.

[SonomaPatientsCoop]

Made me remember one of the best ad campaigns Greenpeace ever ran, after the Exxon Valdez disaster. A picture of the ships captain with the words "It wasn't his driving that caused this- it was yours."

Let's not forget too- Obama opened many areas to offshore drilling as well. And congress recently opened parts of ANWR...

But I'm not too concerned about it. I'd be surprised if the gov't could jump through all the hoops to get a lease sale together before Trump is gone. And plenty of Republican congress critters are not happy with the offshore option. Ad to this the current realities of the oil industry, coupled with the projections for demand 10-20 years in the future when any of these projects would come online...

Yes, pay attention, and fight the lease sales when/if they ever come up. But like so much of Trump.... words that have little real meaning. I would be truly surprised if this led to much, if any new drilling.

[Shepherd]

Damage says that "protesting is stupid!" How absurd. "End of story" is equally absurd.

Our protesting stopped the American Wars on the peoples of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. The U.S. lost those 3 wars against small, weak countries. Why? Because we protested. At the time I was a young officer in the U.S. Army. I resigned my commission to protest those wars, as did others.

When the anti-war movement evolved to be a genuine peace movement, we were able to stop the most powerful military empire of our time. That empire is currently losing wars against other weak countries.

The Me Too movement protest that is rising against male oppression against women is also on the rise.
FIGHT BACK!

I think we are missing the point on this, Robert (I think) was saying we needed to fight back. (Protesting is stupid! Look at Occupy Wall St for an example,...

[foxrosie]

I could not agree MORE with this statement. I would like to state it again, with a million exclamation points and even more hearts for gratitude:

The impact of animal agriculture on our planet, our world, and the innocent animals can now be calculated and it is inspiring millions to embrance a vegan way of life. What a terrible statement of our arrogance that we have the tools of our own freedom available and choose not to use them.

When I think of how animals are treated by we of such arrogance, ignorance, and selfishness ... I choke on the morsels of flesh that every once in a while I'm inspired to try (like, once a year at a potluck, the shrimp ends up on my plate, mostly cuz I love the cocktail sauce and I may be really hungry with nothing that i consider edible except for the salad or veggies that I brought. ... but then I have to shut down my heart and my awareness to get the shrimp down my throat. It just feels so WRONG. So cruel.) And it's hard for me to understand why I'm such a minority here in my beloved West Sonoma County. Seems like things have changed --- perhaps as a result of the paleo "craze".

[Damage]

Shepherd, we were never at war in Laos or Cambodia, so your statement is not fact. HOWEVER we did fight against the Khmer Rouge, Kingdom if Laos and the Khmer Republic as well as other so I give you that.

The anti-war movement evolved into a genuine peace movement and that was good. Just like the Original Feminist movement (more in that in a second).

Alot of people really cared about the peace movement and like I said, it turned out good. But, people’s cared.
These days people didn’t vote, last election 1/3rd of eligible California voters didn’t vote. Yet they complain and shut down freeways. The moment you stop my ability to pickup my son and take him home for the night. You LOOSE anything positive your “movement” was suppose to stand for.

I’m not going to address the “Military Empire” as you put it, too much to discuss here.

#METOO, just like any other “movement” these days, it is stupid. Meryl Streep and EVERYONE in Hollywood knew about Weinstein and it took this long?
The big problem with METOO is it is easy to confuse harassment with actual rape. A college student who was harassed IS NOT the same as a lady who was raped by someone, yet both can use the METOO hashtag?
Stupid!
The same problem happened to the Feminist movement, it started out as a good thing. Now, it is a way for women to bash men. Mad because I hold the door open for you, next lady mad because I did not hold open the door. Stupid!

SEALWATCHER, I do get your point but I don’t think we are ready to cut all fossil fuel. Just impossible right now. If the whole planet stopped tomorrow we would be in the Stone Age again burning Dung for heat. Don’t want fossil, you don’t want nuclear power, solar is getting there but is not feasible everywhere and neither is wind.

I agree that animals are under constant attack but I don’t think hunting is the problem, I think more golf courses are. End of story.

[Hot Compost]

Damage says that "protesting is stupid!" How absurd. "End of story" is equally absurd.

Our protesting stopped the American Wars on the peoples of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. The U.S. lost those 3 wars against small, weak countries. Why? Because we protested. At the time I was a young officer in the U.S. Army. I resigned my commission to protest those wars, as did others.

I certainly miss the idealism expressed by the Vietnam war protests.

I think one of the presidents may have written, the protests affected their decision-making on the wars.

On the other hand ... the US killed just about every able-bodied Vietnamese man who was inclined to raise a hand to defend their country.

Did the Southeast Asian wars stop because of the protests, or simply because there was nobody left to kill ?

The DESPERATION of the United States to declare war on Vietnam was curious.

Admiral James Stockdale writes about it in his autobiography. He was the senior flyer at the Gulf of Tonkin. He states clearly that there was not a Vietnamese military craft in sight, and that they were ordered to fire on open water.

Why the big hurry to kill 4.5 million Southeast Asian civilians? I know the official reason is "stop communism from spreading", a possible response to Chinese liaisons with the North Vietnamese.

But official US gov. reasons tend to be some of the biggest lies & most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've ever heard.