Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory

[phredo]

"Oh, that's very different...... Nevermind!"

-- Emily Litella

sorry Phredo, I didn't make myself clear .... by "ridiculous" I was referring to the fact that the BBC was reporting the destruction of bldg 7 twenty minutes before it occurred .... I love that Tony Rooke called them on this and won his case ....

[Alex]

Hmm....an alleged massive scale false flag operation that logically had to involve hundreds of people: fake parents, fake teachers, fake kids, fake school officials, fake neighbors in the community, fake local emergency responders, fake media reporters, fake city officials, etc. etc. etc. which logistically must have taken many, many years to set up, and all in order to push tighter gun control laws. Given that gun control laws across the country have mostly loosened not tightened since Sandy Hook I guess it didn't work out so well.
Scott

Yes, it's absolutely logical and reasonable to say there's no possibility it could be true. But is there also a bit of unsettled curiosity too?

I think there's a bigger picture that applies to all these controversial issues called 'conspiracy' or 'truther'.

Please tell me if I'm right that you are somewhat perplexed with one part of you annoyed, sitting with it's arms folded rolling it's eyes at the ludicrousness of the crazy thinking of soooooo many people, but another part of your gut is curious and poking you to take a closer look at all the other stuff that doesn't make sense either.

Like it doesn't make sense why the hell sooooooo many people won't let go of these huge crazy concepts and are sooooooo mad about the injustices they feel are being perpetrated.

It doesn't make sense why there's also so many seemingly lucid, educated and intelligent people so willing to expose themselves to ridicule from their friends, family and community to stand for such preposterous things.

If you're honest, you can't really lump them in one crazy pile, and you can't dismiss them all with contemptuous superiority because occasionally they do point out undeniable questions and facts that puts a gaping hole in your 'logical and reasonable' story that doesn't make sense either.... but there it is.

You also don't see yourself as someone like Edward infuriated at any challenge to his sacred story and hatcheting all suggested gaping holes with derision and name calling as if this gives their blind dismissal weight.... never allowing himself to consider the possible gravity of the contradictory facts.

It leaves the honest and logical part of you with opposing lists of your own logic and you're wondering what the hell is going on.

I think there are many people hesitating at that door and curious how to make sense of it all. Am I on the right track?

[Valley Oak]

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Los Angeles Times

Body of Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza quietly claimed by his father

December 31, 2012, By Matt Pearce

Massacre at elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

The body of Newtown, Conn., shooter Adam Lanza was claimed by his father last week, a family spokesman said Monday.

Peter Lanza claimed his son's body from the Connecticut medical examiner last Thursday, said family spokesman Errol Cockfield.

“Private arrangements took place over the weekend," Cockfield said. He declined to elaborate further about the nature of the arrangements.

Connecticut Chief State Medical Examiner H. Wayne Carver, confirmed that Lanza's body is "finally gone."
Adam Lanza, 20, killed 20 first-graders and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14 and then committed suicide. He also killed his mother in their Newtown home before the rampage.

A private funeral was held earlier this month in New Hampshire for his mother, Nancy Lanza, who was divorced from Peter Lanza.


Authorities have not offered a motive for the killings. State police say they have been exploring all aspects of Adam Lanza's life, including his education, family history and medical treatment for clues.

"Our family is grieving along with all those who have been affected by this enormous tragedy," Peter Lanza said in a statement in the days after the shooting. "No words can truly express how heartbroken we are. We are in a state of disbelief and trying to find whatever answers we can. We too are asking why."

Peter Lanza lives in Stamford, Conn., and is an executive with GE Energy Financial Services.

Adam Lanza, who was known to be very shy, had a tight relationship with his mother but was estranged from his father after the couple's 2001 separation was finalized in a 2009 divorce.

Peter Lanza had seen his son weekly after the separation, according to a family acquaintance. But Adam Lanza began refusing to see him after Peter began seeing another woman whom he later married, according to Shelley Cudiner, an employee at the library at the University of Connecticut.

Adam Lanza also began refusing to see his brother, Ryan, an accountant in Manhattan, after their parents' 2009 divorce.

[arthunter]

well said Alex ....

I think that most of us are looking for facts and I think that these discussions are good ... we have a well educated population on this forum and opinions are unlikely to be accepted without some factual support behind them and that's as it should be ... you will notice in the documentary that I posted that these "truthers" are stressing the facts ... the same goes for 9/11 truthers ... nothing else really matters ... of course, interpretation of the facts gets more complicated ...

In my own life it was injustice that led me to question the status quo ... truthfully, I preferred a life of blissful ignorance, but it's too late for that now ...

I will say that what I've found on my journey of questions and research is truly amazing, and I'm not alone in this ... lots of people are questioning the official stories ...

So what determines beliefs? ... this is a one hour documentary which is well worth watching ... it is about the role of propaganda and media and how we are manipulated in this world ... most of you will already know this, but still it's interesting ... you don't have to agree with the stories put forth to get the general gist of it all ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuaKHhNBTNA&t=385

Yes, it's absolutely logical and reasonable to say there's no possibility it could be true. But is there also a bit of unsettled curiosity too?

I think there's a bigger picture that applies to all these controversial issues called 'conspiracy' or 'truther'.

Please tell me if I'm right that you are somewhat perplexed with one part of you annoyed, sitting with it's arms folded rolling it's eyes at the ludicrousness of the crazy thinking of soooooo many people, but another part of your gut is curious and poking you to take a closer look at all the other stuff that doesn't make sense either.

Like it doesn't make sense why the hell sooooooo many people won't let go of these huge crazy concepts and are sooooooo mad about the injustices they feel are being perpetrated.

It doesn't make sense why there's also so many seemingly lucid, educated and intelligent people so willing to expose themselves to ridicule from their friends, family and community to stand for such preposterous things.

If you're honest, you can't really lump them in one crazy pile, and you can't dismiss them all with contemptuous superiority because occasionally they do point out undeniable questions and facts that puts a gaping hole in your 'logical and reasonable' story that doesn't make sense either.... but there it is.

You also don't see yourself as someone like Edward infuriated at any challenge to his sacred story and hatcheting all suggested gaping holes with derision and name calling as if this gives their blind dismissal weight.... never allowing himself to consider the possible gravity of the contradictory facts.

It leaves the honest and logical part of you with opposing lists of your own logic and you're wondering what the hell is going on.

I think there are many people hesitating at that door and curious how to make sense of it all. Am I on the right track?

[Shandi]

Would our government intentionally kill children and adults to push an agenda for gun control? Or sacrifice lives as in 9/11 to create fear of terrorism, and that agenda?

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Phredo, I reassert the fact that anyone who says:

1. The government may have murdered 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Or:
2. The government may have used actors to pretend to be grieving parents.

is indeed very delusional, irresponsible, reckless, naive, ignorant, immature, and has extremely poor judgment. And that's putting it lightly:

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories:

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[Scott McKeown]

Hmm....an alleged massive scale false flag operation that logically had to involve hundreds of people: fake parents, fake teachers, fake kids, fake school officials, fake neighbors in the community, fake local emergency responders, fake media reporters, fake city officials, etc. etc. etc. which logistically must have taken many, many years to set up, and all in order to push tighter gun control laws. Given that gun control laws across the country have mostly loosened not tightened since Sandy Hook I guess it didn't work out so well.

Scott

Yes, it's absolutely logical and reasonable to say there's no possibility it could be true. But is there also a bit of unsettled curiosity too?

I think there's a bigger picture that applies to all these controversial issues called 'conspiracy' or 'truther'.

Please tell me if I'm right that you are somewhat perplexed with one part of you annoyed, sitting with it's arms folded rolling it's eyes at the ludicrousness of the crazy thinking of soooooo many people, but another part of your gut is curious and poking you to take a closer look at all the other stuff that doesn't make sense either.

Like it doesn't make sense why the hell sooooooo many people won't let go of these huge crazy concepts and are sooooooo mad about the injustices they feel are being perpetrated.

It doesn't make sense why there's also so many seemingly lucid, educated and intelligent people so willing to expose themselves to ridicule from their friends, family and community to stand for such preposterous things.

If you're honest, you can't really lump them in one crazy pile, and you can't dismiss them all with contemptuous superiority because occasionally they do point out undeniable questions and facts that puts a gaping hole in your 'logical and reasonable' story that doesn't make sense either.... but there it is.

You also don't see yourself as someone like Edward infuriated at any challenge to his sacred story and hatcheting all suggested gaping holes with derision and name calling as if this gives their blind dismissal weight.... never allowing himself to consider the possible gravity of the contradictory facts.

It leaves the honest and logical part of you with opposing lists of your own logic and you're wondering what the hell is going on.

I think there are many people hesitating at that door and curious how to make sense of it all. Am I on the right track?

Wow. Quite a lot of conjecture here over my little comment from someone I don't know and never met. I'm not going to be drawn in to your psychoanalysis of me. I don't call people out personally, or call them names, or try to do unsolicited psychoanalysis of individuals on this forum. I might have been a bit too personally insulting a couple of times on Wacco way back, which I regret, but I haven't done that for a very long time and won't do it. I try to stick to the ideas and be respectful and not call people out personally.

Scott

[arthunter]

A lot of folks in our government would never do this Shandi ... we have lots of good people who take their oath seriously and really want to serve the people ...

But our government is huge and complex and JFK, along with many other presidents, warned us about a "shadow government" which is totally corrupt, hides in the deep crevices of the infrastructure, and actually calls the shots. Information is compartmentalized so that the good politicians never know what these criminals are doing. This is now being exposed and the general public is realizing it.

I posted this a few days ago ... it shines a light on all of this ... warning, it's very ugly ...

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...891#post188891

Would our government intentionally kill children and adults to push an agenda for gun control? Or sacrifice lives as in 9/11 to create fear of terrorism, and that agenda?

[Alex]

Wow. Quite a lot of conjecture here over my little comment from someone I don't know and never met. I'm not going to be drawn in to your psychoanalysis of me. I don't call people out personally, or call them names, or try to do unsolicited psychoanalysis of individuals on this forum. I might have been a bit too personally insulting a couple of times on Wacco way back, which I regret, but I haven't done that for a very long time and won't do it. I try to stick to the ideas and be respectful and not call people out personally.

Scott

I asked twice if you agreed. The opinions you've contributed in various of these categories suggested you were paying attention and I was asking if it included an aspect of the curiosity dilemma I described. No telling you what you were thinking was intended or calling you out on anything. Sorry if it came off that way to you.

[arthunter]

• Interview with ex-CIA operative concerning false flags ...

https://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/02/25/boston-and-sandyhook-falseflag-robert-david-steele-reveals/


and 9/11 shows up in European courts ...


https://csglobe.com/911-evidence-to-...and-uk-courts/

[podfish]

Would our government intentionally kill children and adults to push an agenda for gun control?

hey, neither 'government' or 'corporations' are people, despite Mitt's claims.

The better question is "do you think there are enough people willing to intentionally kill children to push an agenda AND can they get together in order to plan it; and if so would they be able to keep it secret?"

[phredo]

Wow! Robert Steele is highest "cred" person I've heard to speak that way about Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing, even though I confess I've never heard of him before. It's enough (or almost, anyway) enough to get me listening more to Alex Jones, although mostly I'm happy to just have my attention brought to it when he does something especially good. The thing about him is that he really has the resources to do some good investigating and interviewing, and he always makes sense, even though I'm not always on his side of an issue. But he and Bonnie Faulkner's "Guns And Butter" show on KPFA are where I first learned about 9/11. And I would never have learned anything about Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing except for Alex Jones' good work.

The article about Denmark and British 9/11 court cases takes some work to get up to speed if one is not familiar already with the cases. Since I was somewhat familiar with them, it was educational. It's good to see "9/11 truth" expert witnesses getting some good public exposure through court cases.

• Interview with ex-CIA operative concerning false flags ...

https://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/02/25/boston-and-sandyhook-falseflag-robert-david-steele-reveals/


and 9/11 shows up in European courts ...


https://csglobe.com/911-evidence-to-...and-uk-courts/

[arthunter]

this is a good discussion about false flags and what is needed in today's world to verify information ...

https://realitieswatch.com/boston-bo...wsfalse-flags/

[podfish]

this is a good discussion about false flags and what is needed in today's world to verify information ...

https://realitieswatch.com/boston-bo...wsfalse-flags/

ok, I've got to admit that I don't have the stomach to watch any more videos. Maybe I'm oldschool but if they can't explain the conspiracy in print, I don't want to hear about it. But I'm still curious enough to follow a few links now and again, though I continue to be let down by the quality of the expose' that's being offered as clear-cut fact.

anyway, Naomi Wolf has a bit of a track record so I tried to track this down in actual print. Most links seemed to be to this same video. I did find something with, surprisingly enough, her own byline:
https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-by-naomi-wolf
Funny, when I read it I saw nothing claiming the U.S. government was behind the bombings, or any claim they were staged. All I saw was a commentary that claims the public is reacting in a less Pavlovian manner to the cry "terrorist!!!" and that people are justifiably suspicious of the action of the various powers that be - and are less likely to think that America is right at all times. She seems to be pretty mainstream, as far as critical thinkers go. The most far-fetched claim she makes is that "most Americans have learned from the past". I'm not as sanguine.

Maybe that's all that was meant by the original reference to her comments, so sorry if I misinterpreted it as claiming she believes that there's any truth to the idea of false-flag activities like faking this or Sandy Hook.

[phredo]

In that video, Wolf said, "A law was passed in the United States that now make it legal for the CIA and Homeland Security to create false news stories based on fictitious events, and presumably that law was passed for a reason," and, "It's not 'crazy' to assess news events, in the United States now, not only in foreign countries, to see if they've been engineered by the CIA." Those are paraphrases, but close. The linked clip is only 9 minutes long and worth watching to get the full sense of just how she responded to a question which was about whether the Boston bombing was a true or fictitious event. (And 9 minutes is a lot less than the 3hr27min video you linked to a few posts ago!)

ok, I've got to admit that I don't have the stomach to watch any more videos. Maybe I'm oldschool but if they can't explain the conspiracy in print, I don't want to hear about it. But I'm still curious enough to follow a few links now and again, though I continue to be let down by the quality of the expose' that's being offered as clear-cut fact....

[arthunter]

speaking of ugly, ... this is very informative ...

https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/...tions-motives/

[podfish]

speaking of ugly, ... this is very informative ...

https://mainerepublicemailalert.com/...tions-motives/

seriously, don't these people think their audience can read???

what's the internet coming to? all the news sites are filling up with slide shows and silly little youtube videos too, and stories like "You won't believe the XXX" or "you've been doing YYY wrong" or some other clickbait pimp-tease. Most (or maybe just several, I don't know) TV-news sites at least offer transcripts along with their video.

The information density on video is excruciatingly low. Even the density of a talk is less than in print. This is a sign of the decay in discourse - people aren't interested in depth of analysis - they want bang! wow! see that!!!!

I'm sure we're all doomed.