The Collective Denial Of Proof Galore / 9-11 And The Responsibility Of Democracy

[Alex]

BBC Reporter reporting the collapse of WTC Building 7 twenty minutes before it happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

DEMOCRACY:
THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE TO HOLD THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE

I know it's still shocking and uncomfortable for many to consider that 9-11 was self-inflicted and that the official explanation is a completely fabricated coverup, but calling unquestioning, lazy irresponsibility patriotism is wrong with so many valid questions still hanging considering the severity of consequences our lack of action has allowed and is continuing to allow in our society.

Our collective refusal to hold the American government accountable for the glaring facts, evidence and unanswered questions contradicting their official explanations has allowed the American government to make numerous choices that have negatively impacted our collective daily lives, democracy and Constitution to the extreme using their 9-11 story as the excuse.

I believe we as Americans are collectively ignoring the biggest smoking gun we've ever had in our collective arsenal to foundationally expose the massively corrupt power structure drastically eroding America and we are in danger of our democracy being silenced for good if we don't exercise it's foundational Constitutional right ...and responsibility to exercise that right.

My 2001 hard drive shows that I wrote this list a month after 911, later adding the sick workers/thermite information. Ten years later, many so called patriots still have shown zero interest let alone courage to hold the American government accountable for any of these questions. There are countless more holes in the official story, but starting here will lead everywhere else 9-11 and more. It may still be difficult to prove exactly who did what, but there is proof galore that nearly all foundational official explanations didn't happen.

So if you still believe the American government's hijacker/Bin Laden story.... I challenge you to seek the factual answers to these questions for starters, see where it leads and possibly reconsider what you really want to stand for as an American and the future of America:



11 BURNING QUESTIONS

1. Who purchased and who has hidden and protected the purchasers of the extremely unusually exorbitant amounts of "put shares" (stocks betting that American and United Airlines stocks would go down) in the couple days prior to 9-11?

2. How did all 19 'hijackers' (...and the 9 found to be still alive) get through security and not appear on any of the passenger lists of all 4 flights?

3. Why were all standard NORAD procedures and policies totally ignored, all airport traffic controllers across many states all fail simultaneously with 4 off-course civilian airplanes, and all typical traffic controller recordings of conversations with all four planes pilots been suppressed?

4. If steel melts at 1539 degrees, jet fuel (kerosene) at 800 and heat travels upward, how could steel and both towers neatly implode exactly like controlled demolition?

5. What are the explanations for the numerous civilian, police and fire department personnel live reports of numerous explosions at the base of the towers prior to collapse?

6. Why was all the WTC crucial evidence debris quickly shipped to China without any analysis or investigation and why did so many emergency and clearance workers become so sick or die from of the kind of toxicity associated with chemicals needed for implosion demolition or radiation from micro-nukes / thermite - not airplane wreckage or building materials?

7. What caused 40-story Building 7 to suddenly also collapse/implode 7 hours later also exactly like a controlled demolition when nothing hit it?

8. How did a Boeing 757 with a wingspan of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft. make an approx. 25ft hole in the Pentagon at first, not collapse the roof for an hour and be the first land-crashed passenger plane in history to leave no wreckage, seats, luggage or bodies whatsoever anywhere?

9. Why were all the security videos from around the Pentagon and the local gas station that would easily show exactly what happened immediately confiscated and suppressed?

10. How could Flight 93 also have left no wreckage, seat, luggage or bodies and be turned into a fine dust scattered over miles despite supposedly crashing in one place... that is, leaving nothing except miraculously the ID page of a 'hijacker's' charred passport? Where is Flight 93's supposedly recovered black box?

11. Why have all investigations into these and 100's of other unanswered facts been refused and questions that grossly contradict the official story been completely suppressed, ignored and/or denied by the American government...

.....and most all the citizens of America?

Democracy - use it or lose it,
Alex

[Iolchan]

[Iolchan]

From the website,
We The People Radio Network:

specifically,

https://mp3.wtprn.com/Brouillet08.html

June 9, 2008

(Part I of a Two Part Series on Denial) Overcoming Individual Denial to 9/11 Truth. {Wordpress}

First Hour with Carol Wolman and Ken Jenkins: {Audio}


Second Hour with Chuck Millar and Ralph Metzner: {Audio}


Carol Wolman, M.D. is a psychiatrist in Northern California. She wrote Why the Resistance to 9/11 Truth?. A lifelong peace activist, she has written extensively on the psychology of our times. She was a founder of Bay Area Impeach Bush-Cheney. She ran for Congress in '06, and is now a Green candidate for Congress in CA District 1. She is a coordinator of The New Broom Coalition, for a clean sweep of Congress. She has practiced psychiatry for many years, and penned many excellent articles including- Is the President Nuts?.

Today was a rather pivotal day with Dennis Kucinich introducing articles of Impeachment in Congress, including Bush and Cheney's efforts to block a real investigation into 9/11. Public revelations, statements, and questions coming out at this time are and will have an effect on the collective awareness and, in turn will help individuals to overcome denial to facts, as they continue to emerge.

Carol suggested looking at denial as part of a process of grief to help others to get through it.

Pioneering 9/11 activist and video producer Ken Jenkins has a degree in electrical engineering from Carnegie-Mellon University, and has done extensive postgraduate study in psychology. He has worked as a video professional for over 30 years, including 7 years at Hewlett-Packard in their state-of-the-art broadcast video facility HPTV.

Ken awoke to 9/11 truth by November of 2001 and started presenting his PowerPoint and video productions on 9/11 truth in early 2002. He has since spoken at four international 9/11 conferences on the Psychological Aspects of 9/11 and participated in numerous other 9/11 events and radio programs. His first video release,“Perspective on 9/11” [and here.] was originally made for the early live presentations. He has since produced dozens of 9/11 DVDs, including eight with leading 9/11 Truth author David Ray Griffin, including his best-“9/11 – The Myth and the Reality” [and here,] and his latest- 9/11 and Nationalist Faith: How Faith Can Be Illuminating or Blinding.

He is also a partner in 911tv.org, which has documented speakers from many 9/11 conferences and events. The resulting DVDs, as well as those produced by others, are distributed in part through cable access channels nationwide. Ken also designed the popular 11 Remarkable Facts About 9/11 card. By revealing the “false flag” nature of the 9/11 attacks, it is Ken’s intention to not only help end the current bogus “war on terror” but to also help open the way to ending war as a political option on this planet.

Ken suggested that empathy is very important when engaging others on 9/11, as well as understanding that the event was meant to traumatize people and relying on evoking fears to disengage brains from critically thinking about the event. When we hit resistance, we are encountering people's fears and generally we meet resistance. Ken wrote an excellent article A Gradual Awakening and suggests patience, compassion on the part of activists, because a sudden shock- revelations could cause severe shocks on the systems, but a slower process allows people to help others through a transition period, what most of us activists have been through, as our worldviews have been changed in the wake of 9/11.

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Carol Brouillet wrote: "The new Experts Speak Out has a great section on this topic..." i.e. 9/11 and Denial...

[Star Man]

I think the most compelling question is: How did the planes hit the towers at all? Airplanes the size of the ones that hit the twin towers are extremely difficult to land, so much so that computers manage most of the landing process. The pilots do what the computers tell them to do. Here we had untrained, inexperienced hijackers managing somehow to hit the towers straight on. No glancing blows. Neither plane sheared off a wing on the tower and then dropped to the streets below. That would have been a much more likely scenario.

How could the planes have made two such direct hits against insurmountable odds? They did it, because someone had placed a homing device in the towers. They did it because the planes were being flown by computer, not by the hijackers.

One of the Bush brothers operated the security company that suddenly took the contract for security at the towers from the company that had provided security from groundbreaking at the tower site. A floor of each tower was evacuated in the months prior to the attack, and then massive equipment was moved in. This was the guidance equipment.

The planes were controlled by computer and the hands-on controls were disabled.

Why is it that the planes that hit the towers were the only planes that have crashed since black boxes were invented where the black boxes were not recovered. Note: the black boxes were recovered from the Air France flight that crashed into the Atlantic and sank in thousands of feet of water.

I think the hijackers were the most surprised terrorists ever. I think they had planned to make demands, circle for a while, get a promise of free passage back to Saudi Arabia, and leave. The black boxes had to be destroyed because they had the transmissions from the cockpit: "We cannot guide the plane. The manual controls are unresponsive." I think the hijackers were set up like bowling pins. They had undercover operatives who were guiding them, convincing them they'd be back in the Middle East in a few hours.

Star Man

[jbox]

i think the most compelling question is: How did the planes hit the towers at all? Airplanes the size of the ones that hit the twin towers are extremely difficult to land, so much so that computers manage most of the landing process. The pilots do what the computers tell them to do. Here we had untrained, inexperienced hijackers managing somehow to hit the towers straight on. No glancing blows. Neither plane sheared off a wing on the tower and then dropped to the streets below. That would have been a much more likely scenario.

How could the planes have made two such direct hits against insurmountable odds? They did it, because someone had placed a homing device in the towers. They did it because the planes were being flown by computer, not by the hijackers.

One of the bush brothers operated the security company that suddenly took the contract for security at the towers from the company that had provided security from groundbreaking at the tower site. A floor of each tower was evacuated in the months prior to the attack, and then massive equipment was moved in. This was the guidance equipment.

The planes were controlled by computer and the hands-on controls were disabled.

Why is it that the planes that hit the towers were the only planes that have crashed since black boxes were invented where the black boxes were not recovered. Note: The black boxes were recovered from the air france flight that crashed into the atlantic and sank in thousands of feet of water.

I think the hijackers were the most surprised terrorists ever. I think they had planned to make demands, circle for a while, get a promise of free passage back to saudi arabia, and leave. The black boxes had to be destroyed because they had the transmissions from the cockpit: "we cannot guide the plane. The manual controls are unresponsive." i think the hijackers were set up like bowling pins. They had undercover operatives who were guiding them, convincing them they'd be back in the middle east in a few hours.

Star man

lol

[Star Man]

lol

Laugh Out Loud? Why Laugh Out Loud?

[jbox]

Laugh Out Loud? Why Laugh Out Loud?

Starman, Let's just say that neither one of us has to substantiate our opinions and leave it at that.

[Star Man]

Starman, Let's just say that neither one of us has to substantiate our opinions and leave it at that.

One of the challenges America faces results from the fact that so many citizens confuse facts and opinions. I offer a couple of facts: 1. computers control the flight of large aircraft ("automatic pilot"), and 2. controlling the precise flight path of a large aircraft is very difficult for experienced airline pilots. These are not opinions. An opinion is "an unproven belief or assessment."

From the facts I offer, I ask "if it is difficult for experienced pilots to precisely control the flight of a large aircraft, then how did two untrained Saudis manage to strike with pinpoint accuracy tower one and tower two of the world trade center?"

This question must be answered, either by the government or by the citizens who doubt the government's explanations.

I deduce from the facts that there must have been some form of guidance system in operation that directed the two planes to hit tower one and tower two with pinpoint accuracy. This is both a deduction and an opinion. It is an opinion because it is not proven. It cannot be proven, because all of the evidence including the Black Boxes was destroyed. At the same time, the event happened, the two planes struck the towers with pinpoint accuracy. The official story does not explain the facts. Therefore, there must be some explanation that does explain the facts. To deny that deserves an LOL.

[pbrinton]

Why is it that the planes that hit the towers were the only planes that have crashed since black boxes were invented where the black boxes were not recovered. Note: the black boxes were recovered from the Air France flight that crashed into the Atlantic and sank in thousands of feet of water.

Can you substantiate this statement? Literally the first ones?

Several other things happened multiple times that day that have never happened before:

Before 9/11 every time a passenger plane was in any way unaccounted for or went off course, fighters were scrambled immediately. I do not right now recall the exact sequence, but two planes reached NY from Boston before a single fighter was able to intercept them. And a plane flew right into the headquarters of the US armed forces, a few miles from a major air force base, again unchallenged by the air force.

Before 9/11 no steel frame highrise has ever been brought down by fire. Several have been hit by aircraft, and many have suffered extensive fire damage to floors at and above the location of severe fires, but none has ever collapsed on account of fire. On 9/11 three buildings collapsed on account of fire, and one of them was not even hit by an aircraft. Furthermore they all collapsed within their own footprint, and at free-fall speed. These two attributes have hitherto only been observed in the case of controlled demolition.

And now, if this statement is true, we can add a further example of multiple instances of a previously unknown event: the missing black boxes from at least three aircraft.

These are not opinions. These are facts. The statistical improbability of all of these events coinciding by chance is overwhelming.
When one event occurs that contradicts all previous experience it is a matter for some suspicion, needing an adequate explanation. When multiple instances of a single unique event happen on the same day, serious alarm bells start ringing. When multiple instances of multiple unique events happen all on the same day, and none of them is even properly investigated, let alone explained, I find it impossible to escape the conclusion that at the very least the version of the story we have been given is untrue.

One more point: the efficiency of an act is the measure of how small an effort was applied in order to achieve how large an effect. By this measure, if the official story is true, a small group of relatively low-tech individuals half a world away planned and carried out the most efficient act ever committed. With a few hundred thousand dollars, a few dozen total participants, a few months not very demanding work and some box cutters they brought down four aircraft, and three buildings. They brought about two nine-year wars (one still ongoing), wrecked the largest economy in the world, and caused us to cripple ourselves with security measures. As a point of comparison, we put a great deal more effort just into killing Bin Laden than they did to pull off 9/11. Again, the statistical unlikelihood of such people carrying out such a feat against the most powerful country in the world makes it very hard to believe.

Looking at these aspects alone seems to me to be convincing, but I have just hit the high spots. The deeper you look, the more questions there are. Yes, I am sure there are innocent, or at least non-criminal answers to many of them, but for the story to stand they all have to be adequately explained. The only alternative is to accept that an astronomically unlikely confluence of events happened.

If the official story is not true, then someone other than Al Qaeda played a part. Certainly in that case Al Qaeda may not have been aware that they were being permitted to carry out their plans, but as soon as you deviate from the official story there is no escaping the fact that people at the very top level of the US government had to be involved. Nobody else had the power to carry it off. There really is no middle ground, or none that I can find. Either the buildings fell because of the impact and fire, or they were rigged to collapse.

I understand that these conclusions are deeply upsetting to people, and require the abandonment of long cherished beliefs about our system of government, but we have to decide if we are willing to live in a state of denial or face truth. At the very least, surely these facts demand detailed explanations. All we have received is stonewalling and secrecy. Again, I do not think this is a controversial statement. Why are people so resistant to the idea of even considering the possibility that there was a US criminal conspiracy behind 9/11?

Patrick Brinton

[Peace Voyager]

Well said Patrick!

Can you substantiate this statement? Literally the first ones?

Several other things happened multiple times that day that have never happened before: Before 9/11 every time a passenger plane was in any way unaccounted for or went off course, fighters were scrambled immediately....

......I understand that these conclusions are deeply upsetting to people, and require the abandonment of long cherished beliefs about our system of government, but we have to decide if we are willing to live in a state of denial or face truth. At the very least, surely these facts demand detailed explanations. All we have received is stonewalling and secrecy. Again, I do not think this is a controversial statement. Why are people so resistant to the idea of even considering the possibility that there was a US criminal conspiracy behind 9/11?

Patrick Brinton

[Star Man]

[QUOTE=pbrinton;146910]Can you substantiate this statement? Literally the first ones?


New Cover-up revealed? 9/11 Black Boxes found

by Will Bunch

Philadelphia News 28 October 2004

www.globalresearch.ca 28 October 2004

The URL of this article is: https://globalresearch.ca/articles/BUN410B.html

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Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four “black boxes” from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account.

Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities continue to insist that none of the four devices - a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes - were ever found in the wreckage.

But New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book -- self-published by several Ground Zero workers -- that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four...

His account is supported by a volunteer, Mike Bellone , whose efforts at Ground Zero have been chronicled in the New York Times and elsewhere. Bellone said assisted DeMasi and the agents and that saw a device that resembling a “black box” in the back of the firefighter’s ATV.

Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero. Federal aviation officials - blaming the massive devastation - have said the World Trade Center attacks seem to be the only major jetliner crashes in which the critical devices were never located.

A footnote to the 9/11 Commission Report issued this summer flatly states: “The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175” - the two planes that hit the Trade Center - “were not found.”

And officials for the FBI - which oversaw the cleanup at Ground Zero - and the New York City Fire Department repeated this week that the devices were never recovered.

The “black boxes” - actually orange - could have provided valuable new information about the worst terror attack to ever take place on American soil.

The cockpit voice recorder uses two microphones to capture the sounds of the cockpit for the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight on a tape loop. In the case of the hijacked 9/11 jetliners, the devices should have captured any conversations or actions involving the hijackers, as well as radio transmissions.

The flight data recorder records things like airspeed, heading, and altitude. Both devices - located in the tail of the airplane - emit loud “pings” so they can be located even in ocean jetliner crashes, like the 1996 explosion of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island.

They are built to survive an impact of enormous force - 3400 Gs - and a fire of 1100 degrees Celsius for one hour, somewhat higher than official estimates of the World Trade Center blaze.

“It's extremely rare that we don't get the recorders back. I can't recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders,” Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, told CBS News in 2002. However, officials said little of the jets was recovered.

DeMasi was with now defunct Engine Company 261 in 2001. He wrote up his recollections of the Ground Zero recovery in a glossy book self-published by a group that calls itself Trauma Recovery Assistance for Children, or the TRAC Team. The book was published in 2003 but received little notice.
DeMasi, an all-terrain vehicles hobbyist - said he donated 4 ATVs to the clean-up and became known as “the ATV Guy.”

“At one point, I was asked to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes,” he wrote. “We were getting ready to go out. My ATV was parked at the top of the stairs at the Brooks Brothers entrance area. We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV...”

“There were a total of four black boxes. We found three.”

Efforts over several days to locate and interview DeMasi, who is now said to be with the FDNY’s Marine Unit, were not successful.

But his account was verified by another member of the so-called TRAC Team, recovery site volunteer Bellone. He recalled FBI agents arriving for the search one day in early October, setting up their equipment near Brooks Brothers. He said he didn’t go out with them on the ATV but observed their search.

At one point, Bellone said he observed the team with a box that appeared charred but was redish-orange with two white stripes. Pictures of the flight recorders on the NTSB and other Web sites show devices that are orange, with two white stripes.

“There was the one that I saw, and two others were recovered in different locations - but I wasn’t there for the other two,” Bellone said. He said the FBI agents left with the boxes.

If the account by DeMasi and Bellone is true, it’s not clear what motive federal authorities would have for claiming they weren’t found.

By the same token, however, it’s not clear what incentive either man would have to lie.

An FBI spokesman in New York, Jim Margolin, said after checking with the leader of the Ground Zero investigation that none of the boxes were recovered.

Frank Gribbon, the FDNY spokesman, also said “no one in the Department is aware of the recovery of any of the airline "black boxes" at the WTC site.”

Bellone has encounted some unrelated problems in connection with the TRAC group, however. In April, the New York Post reported (story not available online) that TRAC owned money to a number of creditors, including the company that published the book. Fire officials also told Bellone, who was made an honorary firefighter by a New York engine company, that he couldn’t wear an official uniform on school visits...