Rethinking America

[Speak2Truth]

So, after this lengthy discussion of basic facts, I'll distill my main point:

The assertion that black people are the "victims" of slavery and white people are the "perpetrators" is a willful Big Lie.

Period.

As to why the Left perpetrate this lie... we can get into that once the assertion above is taken as stipulated.

[Fagbemijo]

So, after this lengthy discussion of basic facts, I'll distill my main point:

The assertion that black people are the "victims" of slavery and white people are the "perpetrators" is a willful Big Lie.

Period.

As to why the Left perpetrate this lie... we can get into that once the assertion above is taken as stipulated.

Wow this is completely racist. It is offensive and unacceptable. In the case of the Afrikan slave trade, Afrikans were and are the victims. Your statement of denial is like the neo-nazi belief that the holocaust is a lie.
I pray for you that you rethink your views.

[Speak2Truth]

Wow this is completely racist. It is offensive and unacceptable. In the case of the Afrikan slave trade, Afrikans were and are the victims. Your statement of denial is like the neo-nazi belief that the holocaust is a lie.
I pray for you that you rethink your views.

I am not providing "view", I am providing "facts".

In Africa, black Africans rounded up and sold their neighbors into slavery. An African successfully fought in the legal system in the British Colonies to establish legalized slavery.

In the mid 1800s, black slave owners competed very strongly against white slave owners, especially in the cotton and sugar trades.

Africans were the perpetrators as well as the victims.

The notion that this was a purely race-based issue, with Africans on one side and whites on the other, is in fact racist, offensive and unacceptable. We must form our worldviews based on facts. If our worldviews do not comply with the facts, they are "wrong".

https://americancivilwar.com/authors...laveowners.htm

"The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city."

If you find facts to be offensive, that's fine. To each his own. I prefer to seek Truth with open eyes.

["Mad" Miles]

The article S2T is getting his "facts" from was first published by The Barnes Review.

Here's a relevant discussion about the article. Be sure to scroll down to the comments, the first part is just a copy of the article.

After wasting time googling the author of the article, Robert M. Grooms, all I could find for the most part were repeated postings of his article, mostly on Confederate sympathizer, or straight up racist, white supremacist sites. Nothing about the author himself.

I tried the Southern Poverty Law Center site but it only gave me discussions of the Neo-Confederate movement and related racists. No specifics on Mr. Groom or his article. Zero specific references to either in the articles that came up when searching their site. (At least not in the top few.)

What that leads me to think is that Mr. Groom is not exactly a renowned scholar on much of anything. Although I did find a blog that did not list his name, with various articles, other than the one in question, on related historical topics. Nothing remotely close to an author bio, or a list of credentials for him. The blog is called "Debunking The Myths" and there is no way to tell if the other articles are by him or not, they do not have bylines, except for his, the one found on numerous other sketchy websites.

That leads me to think that whoever is behind the "Debunking The Myths" blog, is either not very intelligent, or not particularly honest. Since the identity and background of any author is part of the authenticity of their work. It also is circumstantial evidence that the other articles in the blog are not by Grooms, and that it is not Grooms blog. Another dead end in trying to figure out who the guy is.

Groom's piece is popular on some other marginal conservative sites, which on the face of them are not overtly racist or white supremacist.

The Afro Punk site linked above has the most extant discussion I could find, that doesn't reek of race hatred.

It is known that some Free Blacks owned slaves. The Afro Punk discussion thread addresses this specifically.

That there is no easily found academic criticism, or praise, of Mr. Grooms claims, is also evidence that he is not taken seriously outside of some small, marginal circles which are associated with odious political partisanship, and have little or nothing to do with the work of professional historians.

[Speak2Truth]

The Barnes Review[/URL].

That there is no easily found academic criticism, or praise, of Mr. Grooms claims, is also evidence that he is not taken seriously outside of some small, marginal circles which are associated with odious political partisanship, and have little or nothing to do with the work of professional historians.

I would have been interested in seeing you (or anyone) present scholarly refutation to the information presented. You assert that the lack of refutation diminishes the credibility of the information presented? That's quite a stretch.

Yes, it is well known that even in the Deep South, free blacks were slave owners, ran large scale plantations and businesses powered by slave labor.

This is a fact.

It is also a fact that the African notion of slavery was legally established in the British Colonies by a black African.

Given these facts, the racist rants against whites, presuming black people were solely the "victims" in this long-gone period of history, are false. Such perversions of history are perpetrated by racists with political agendas, using the gullible as minions.

I present facts. You admit they are facts. Good enough for me.

I'll stick with my motto: Truth is Justice

[Speak2Truth]

Barry [edit - MILES! Sorry, Barry], to disparage the article because you could not find information on Mr. Grooms is disingenuous. If you were truly interested in the scholarly pursuit to which you pretended, you might have taken note of this key sentence:

"The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city."

Then, pursue the referenced scholar who provided the Facts related to us by Mr. Grooms:

"John Hope Franklin is James B. Duke Professor Emeritus of History at Duke University and has also served on the faculties at St. Augustine's College, Howard University, Brooklyn College, and the University of Chicago. A former president of the Southern Historical Association, the American Historical Association, and the United Chapters of Phi Beta Kappa, he has received dozens of major awards and more than 100 honorary degrees. In 1995, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor. That same year the John Hope Franklin Research Center was founded at Duke as a repository for African and African American studies documentation. Last summer, the distinguished Duke historian was appointed by President Clinton to lead a panel of advisers on promoting racial understanding in the United States."

I hope this helps you get a little closer to Truth.