What in the World are they spraying?

[OrchardDweller]

https://vimeo.com/16219493

[Claire]

https://vimeo.com/16219493

This is HUGE. All else pales by comparison.
I think every person should take an hour and watch this documentary. The defining moment for me was about halfway through.
I have noticed what they are talking about and often wish I still had my father, an Air Force pilot, to question about this.
He used to talk to me about the nature of contrails.

[Clancy]

They're not "spraying", anymore than you are "spraying" exhaust from your car. Yes, jet engine exhaust is changing the weather and degrading the environment, in exactly the same ways as car engine exhaust; but that doesn't prove you're intentionally adding chemicals to your gasoline to accelerate the process.

Contrails are not evidence of "chemtrails". Any combustion engine will produce contrails under the right conditions, and do so, all the time.

It is so sad to me that no matter how often this cumbersome paranoid fantasy is soundly refuted, people will just not let it go. There are real conspiracies in the world, like the US invading Iraq under false pretenses, or the looting of our treasury by Wall Street with our government's help. These have enormous consequences. Please put your energy where it might do some good.

[broadbandersnatch]

That being said, persistent CONtrails pose a real environmental problem. One of our astronauts (forget which but a famous dude,) has a website that focuses on this issue and features some startling photos of the earth from space just covered with persistent contrails. They have affected our weather and are a part of the equation of our changing climate. It is not a conspiracy, just due to increased air traffic over the decades.

They're not "spraying", anymore than you are "spraying" exhaust from your car. Yes, jet engine exhaust is changing the weather and degrading the environment, in exactly the same ways as car engine exhaust; but that doesn't prove you're intentionally adding chemicals to your gasoline to accelerate the process.
...
Please put your energy where it might do some good.

[Clancy]

That being said, persistent CONtrails pose a real environmental problem. One of our astronauts (forget which but a famous dude,) has a website that focuses on this issue and features some startling photos of the earth from space just covered with persistent contrails. They have affected our weather and are a part of the equation of our changing climate. It is not a conspiracy, just due to increased air traffic over the decades.

Well, sort of. To be precise, when we see contrails, what we are seeing is water vapor that has condensed out of the frozen air due to heating, then refrozen again as tiny ice crystals that form around the tiny soot particles from the exhaust. That's why they persist for so long and become so diffused before they dissipate.

It's the hydrocarbons in the exhaust that's doing the polluting, whether the jet is on the ground or at altitude. Jet fuel does have some nasty added chemicals, but they're used to make it more explosively flammable, not to attempt to change the weather. It's essentially the same nasty gases emitted in your car exhaust, leaf blower and all other forms of burning gas and oil. That's what's causing manmade global warming.

On the other hand, there is a small but measurable effect of contrails, they actually cool the earth;
https://www.csmonitor.com/Environmen...n-temperatures
and that is due to the ice crystals reflecting sunlight before it reaches the ground, but again that has nothing whatsoever to do with any sort of conspiracy to lace jet exhaust with flu virus (a common claim among chemtrail conspiracy theorists) or malevolent chemicals meant to intentionally change the weather, pacify the population, genetically modify mold to make it more toxic or the even more bizarre claims that googling 'chemtrials' can provide.

[Claire]

[QUOTE=Clancy;124292]Well, sort of. To be precise, when we see contrails, what we are seeing is water vapor that has condensed out of the frozen air due to heating, then refrozen again as tiny ice crystals that form around the tiny soot particles from the exhaust. That's why they persist for so long and become so diffused before they dissipate.

It's the hydrocarbons in the exhaust that's doing the polluting, whether the jet is on the ground or at altitude. jet fuel does have some nasty added chemicals, but they're used to make it more explosively flammable, not to change the weather. It's essentially the same nasty gases emitted in your car exhaust, leaf blower and all other forms of burning gas and oil. That's what's causing manmade global warming.


In this documentary, the scientists responsible for the geoengineering say that it is happening, that they are doing it with highly reflective aluminum particles, although they actually have no clue as to the long term effects. Also the doc. points to the recent findings of hugely elevated amounts of aluminum in even the relatively isolated areas of, say, California. Aluminum, barium and strontium. 60,000 times the level considered alarming by our gov't standards. This verified by climate-wise scientists with credentials up the wazoo.

Am I wrong? Please tell me that's all bullshit, along with the contention (they showed the official paperwork from the US patent office-- it looked good from here) of patents on GMO seeds that sprout plants that are engineered to survive/ thrive in high soil concentrations of aluminum. Now I know the good people of Monsanto and the like simply have our best interests at heart. No conspiracies there! They've been so good us. Just look at the nation's cornbelt.

Today I went out and saw the usual array of contrails, wide because of the humidity in the air, right? Did I think that they were all chemtrails? Of course not. Do I want to believe they could do this to us? Hell no! But the scientists on the geoengineering panel admitted that they are already doing it.

One thing I do know is that we are vulnerable as a planet in our efforts to maintain an adequate food supply as our environment degrades. Having to rely on GMO seeds is a frankenfooder's wet dream.

Aluminum in toxic levels in the so-called interest of preventing global warming. Why would I be skeptical of such a plan?

[Clancy]

In this documentary, the scientists responsible for the geoengineering say that it is happening, that they are doing it with highly reflective aluminum particles, although they actually have no clue as to the long term effects. Also the doc. points to the recent findings of hugely elevated amounts of aluminum in even the relatively isolated areas of, say, California. Aluminum, barium and strontium. 60,000 times the level considered alarming by our gov't standards. This verified by climate-wise scientists with credentials up the wazoo. [/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]

Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong in the sense that we're fouling our air, water and soil with myriad heavy metals and very nasty chemicals; we're doing it in many ways, not just via jet exhaust. We're also creating the largest die-off of species since the dinosaurs expired 65 million years ago, but the 'conspiracy' is shared by all of us, it's for profit and comfort and ease, with hardly a thought of the consequences.

[sharingwisdom]

Did you even watch the movie? Did you even know that other countries are experiencing, publicizing and measuring this fallout as well? Well, just because companies or the sectors of the government say something isn't so, doesn't make it that way. Since you believe there are conspiracies, I'm assuming you must know this. What you mentioned is all part of many vast issues that others try to cover-up.

Your judgment ("a paranoid fantasy") of the reality of chemtrails, which affects the air we breath and the food we eat through intentional release of polymers, barium, aluminum and mycoplasma infections, not contrails that dissipate, doesn't make it any less an issue than using deleted uranium in Iraq for a war that shouldn't be. "Do no harm" in any form whether it be Wall Street or "Skygate."

What I actually find sad is that people have such a way to use diminishing and belittling dialogue when there is a difference of opinions or information that is presented, rather than put forth information to educate, inviting others to come to their own decisions or have their own experiences...not telling them what to do ("Please put your energy where it might do some good" as if where you choose to put your energy is the best route for everyone), and then using disparaging remarks to get them to see they must be wrong if they think or act differently. Battles are not stopped by attempting to insult others. I continue to pray we can do this differently.

They're not "spraying", anymore than you are "spraying" exhaust from your car. Yes, jet engine exhaust is changing the weather and degrading the environment, in exactly the same ways as car engine exhaust; but that doesn't prove you're intentionally adding chemicals to your gasoline to accelerate the process.

Contrails are not evidence of "chemtrails". Any combustion engine will produce contrails under the right conditions, and do so, all the time.

It is so sad to me that no matter how often this cumbersome paranoid fantasy is soundly refuted, people will just not let it go. There are real conspiracies in the world, like the US invading Iraq under false pretenses, or the looting of our treasury by Wall Street with our government's help. These have enormous consequences. Please put your energy where it might do some good.

[LightBrownLeghorns]

Yeah, well it's good to post the chemtrail topic online to get more people to realize that the trails that we see are not just exhaust. Any person who wants to stop and think would understand that the typical exhaust ALWAYS evaporates in like eight seconds to where it is invisible. If you look at most chemtrails they not only expand, they don't disappear for a long time and when they do, it can make the sky white and the sun blinding. I don't see much chemtrail activity here in Texas (have only been here since late March), but I have seen scary chemtrail missions in central Kansas and some in northeast Arkansas and mid Tennessee. I have photographed some and have twice seen the long strands of metal floating down or going by in the breeze! It has to be metal that they are spraying as it blinds the sky when dissipated and then the rare "tinsel" that is rarely seen. Folks, open your mind. You claim to be so enlightened, but you really shut out the truth in politics and matters of the govt. doing harm.

[Claire]

Talk about a researched and documented topic! Scroll through this website and see the vast amount of information on this:

https://www.heartcom.org/ChemtrailOverview.htm

And to think I hadn't even heard about this until last night.
However, for the past many years while I was living above Alexander Valley, I noticed a new phenomenon that no one could ever explain. There was a configuration of very thick and persistent contrails fanning out from the exact due-North, very wide nearest the horizon. I would see these all the time and they lasted for many hours. Any thoughts?

If I could I'd like to see some show of hands: Are y'all feeling healthy these days? How about your friends and family?

Tomorrow I step up my Milk Thistle intake (silymarin).

So sad, you say, Clancy? I'll agree with you there.

[Clancy]

Just as many contrails "fan out" from the south of Sonoma County, because LAX, SFO, Portland and Seattle are roughly in a north/south line.

I give up. Sorry if I've distressed anyone. Chemtrails are caused by shapeshifting reptilian aliens from Alpha Centauri who have taken over the world's governments and are altering our atmosphere more to their liking. Never fear though. Someone on Whacko is selling $300 Magic Healing Wands, so any detrimental physical effects due to chemtrails can be easily healed. Carry on.

...for the past many years while I was living above Alexander Valley, I noticed a new phenomenon that no one could ever explain. There was a configuration of very thick and persistent contrails fanning out from the exact due-North, very wide nearest the horizon. I would see these all the time and they lasted for many hours. Any thoughts?

If I could I'd like to see some show of hands: Are y'all feeling healthy these days? How about your friends and family?

Tomorrow I step up my Milk Thistle intake (silymarin).

So sad, you say, Clancy? I'll agree with you there.

[LightBrownLeghorns]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)


Yeah, people can even see the chemtrails in the form on an 'X' in the sky and keep it to themselves it seems. What a toll that must take with guilt inside. Kind of like how people get cancer from living with sour and corrupt people. The chemtrails are in your face in certain areas, and I know a few people look up and wonder. A lot of people don't look up. People are dumb, like Hitler said.

Knowledge + common sense = wisdom

No, 'X''s in the sky are not random at all. White lines expanding like that, "Oh, look at that white, puffy 'X'! What are the chances? Oh, look another one." And then you see it on more days! Better start to think.

[Chevron McDonald]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)


Yeah, people can even see the chemtrails in the form on an 'X' in the sky and keep it to themselves it seems. What a toll that must take with guilt inside. Kind of like how people get cancer from living with sour and corrupt people. The chemtrails are in your face in certain areas, and I know a few people look up and wonder. A lot of people don't look up. People are dumb, like Hitler said.

Knowledge + common sense = wisdom

No, 'X''s in the sky are not random at all. White lines expanding like that, "Oh, look at that white, puffy 'X'! What are the chances? Oh, look another one." And then you see it on more days! Better start to think.

I have seen them spraying in Sonoma County. These are not normal contrails. When I ask my friends what they think, they give me strange looks. SOMETHING is happening. Thank you for noticing.

[leela8]

I have until now been convinced the idea of "chemtrails" was a paranoid tinfoil-hatty kind of
fantasy. But there were some seriously compelling points in that fascinating documentary, not the least of which is the public governmental discussion of potential overhead spraying, "in the future" of precisely those substances being found currently in the soil and water. I find that disturbing, and food for some serious thought.

However there remains a sticky point for me: If there is current deployment of these chemicals via aircraft, how or why do the people involved pretend or intend to remain invulnerable to the effects? Is it pure delusion, do they simply not "believe" it will personally cause them any harm?

Otherwise, I cannot go to population control, or even total food supply control (although that's not a huge stretch, and the GMO patent is worrisome) because there remains the problem of those "in charge" of the "plan" avoiding exposure/contamination.

I can easily get out my tin foil hat (well, small beanie, anyway) but it is difficult for me to go all the way to nefarious organized plot to control or poison the people.

The documentary did, however, convince me there is something afoot, and something that should be looked at long and hard. There is a long history of weather control and cloud seeding, and also a long history of ignoring the spewing of toxic crap in favour of corporate interests. In fact there is so much deliberate illegal dumping, spewing, messing with nature and food supply, so much intentional blindness to the horrors of factory food, conventional energy, the list goes on....this is just one more example of how humans as a collective have lost sight of their place in this living being we call earth, and our connection to it.

[broadbandersnatch]

I have gone back and forth on this issue for many years now. it didn't help that my brother asked an old high school buddy who happens to be high ranking military official involved in some ecret operations in Michigan about this. Te guy was rather cryptic about chemtrails but did not dismiss the idea out of hand. Instead he invited my brother out to visit him near the facility where he works close to Lansing to "show him something". My brother never took him up on it...

Personally I think its bad enough that these persistent contrails hang around as long as they do, mucking up the sky on what would otherwise be a clear day. They have been shown to carry traces of all sorts of chemicals and metals and that can't be good for humans or the environment. If there is some sort of government sponsored program they have managed to keep it quiet pretty effectively. There is so much stuff on the net about this, even "pictures" of those "white jets" spraying the shit in giant plumes across the sky. Eb=ven secret photos of the insides of these jets. Is it all bogus? I won't say for sure but at times the conspiracy nut in me has wondered at the amount of murk in our Sonoma county skies...

[broadbandersnatch]

By the way, that documentary is the best overview I have seen on what is known on this subject .
Fascinating piece.

[Clancy]

One of the sad things about this thread is that there seems to no recognition that we are the ones providing the demand for quick, reliable transportation, and the corporations that fulfill it care no more about the resulting pollution than most of us when we fly or drive, spewing noxious chemical exhaust in our wake.

[leela8]

One of the sad things about this thread is that there seems to no recognition that we are the ones providing the demand for quick, reliable transportation, and the corporations that fulfill it care no more about the resulting pollution than most of us when we fly home for christmas, a contrail of noxious exhaust in our wake.

Clancy,

I believe I alluded to that in my post when I said
"this is just one more example of how humans as a collective have lost sight of their place in this living being we call earth, and our connection to it. "

Also, your lamentation of a lack of awareness on this thread may be misplaced, since the thread itself was started as a dialogue about whether or not there actually *are* weird chemical "extras" in the jet exhaust. I believe most of the people on this board are pretty environmentally conscious, and do their best with their own footprint.

I agree with you that aeronautic jet fuel exhaust alone does present its own set of problems, though less urgent in the greater scheme of less "necessary" evils, IMHO, like factory farming or industrial chemical pollution. The insatiable hunger for fast food and more plastic crap seems like such a less justifiable reason to pollute and abuse. Air travel serves a useful purpose, and perhaps we can soon devise a way to move large amounts of people from place to place without polluting our planet.

But perhaps you are not hearing enough of what you want to hear on this thread simply because its focus is more on whether there is deployment of aluminum and barium from these planes, and less on the merits (or not) of plane travel itself. In fact if I understood correctly it is military planes that are suspected of the nefarious behaviour? Someone correct me if I got that wrong.

[broadbandersnatch]

One of the sad things about this thread is that there seems to no recognition that we are the ones providing the demand for quick, reliable transportation, and the corporations that fulfill it care no more about the resulting pollution than most of us when we fly or drive, spewing noxious chemical exhaust in our wake.

Dude, You could apply that to cars, a culture that is still almost entirely dependent on oil etc. I think most of the people up here on Wacco are painfully aware of these issues.

[Clancy]

Dude, You could apply that to cars, a culture that is still almost entirely dependent on oil etc. I think most of the people up here on Wacco are painfully aware of these issues.

Dude, I did. Try reading my post again.

Flying or driving, we're polluting the hell out of the planet with the same noxious chemicals, heavy metals and hydrocarbons. You don't need a conspiracy, we're all doing it willingly.

[LightBrownLeghorns]

Hi,

I appreciate the views expressed on this thread and am glad that some people who befoe thought chem trails were just nonsense are now concerned. The posts have been of a reasonably good nature with just a little tension thrown in.

Does anyone know of Cathy Palmer, because she is the gal apparently who lived in your area and reported on chemtrails on her blog and YouTube channel. I was just scanning my chemtrails bookmarks and went to her blog. She states on her site, https://sonomachemtrails.blogspot.com/ , that she is now residing in Florida and still reports on this issue. You must visit her site! Now I got that link from the page in my bookmarks, https://sonomachemtrails.blogspot.com/search?q=ksla .

The Jeff Ferrell article on that page posted Dec. 1, 2007, highlights a bit on the fact that it wasn't known then who is directly responsible for the chem trail activity but that the military was pointed to since they admitted getting the Welsbach Patent to dispuse metals in the sky this way and then the Colin Powell quote, "we are committed to a billion-dollar program to develop and deploy advanced technologies to mitigate greenhouse-gas emissions."

I believe it is a black op program for sure, and is likey done with the guise to study the effects on the population (do people and animals get sick, do they notice us doing this, etc.) while serving some monetary/population control interest. It could be like with fluoridation of water, where the metals industry apparenty got municipalities all around to add the chemicals to the water as a profitable way to dispose of their waste metals (is one theory I have heard). I'm quite certain big corporate interests are behind this, as that is the mainstay of our military-industrial society very sadly.

https://www.ksla.com/Global/story.as...39345&nav=0RY5 "There's already no shortage of unclassified weather modification programs by the government. But those who fear chemtrails could be secret biological and chemical testing on the public point to the 1977 U.S. Senate hearings which confirmed 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Later, the 1994 Rockefeller Report concluded hundreds of thousands of military personnel were also subjected to secret biological experiments over the last 60-years."

https://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtra...aying_god.html a man's 2007? account of regular chemtrail activity on the West Coast and the supposed govt. reason of climate modification.

https://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm Airline manager's anonymous letter to Clifford Carnicom that regular airlines are equipped in a secret govt. program to dispurse chemicals into the sky for the public's best interest. Force-fed breathing of chemicals for our best interest! But that is what I have understood Operation Cloverleaf to be, a directive by the military making airlines who fly the public to dispurse the metalic compound. Wikipedia.org apparently does not have an article on the Operation.

[Clancy]

...I believe it is a black op program for sure, and is likey done with the guise to study the effects on the population (do people and animals get sick, do they notice us doing this, etc.) while serving some monetary/population control interest. It could be like with fluoridation of water, where the metals industry apparenty got municipalities all around to add the chemicals to the water as a profitable way to dispose of their waste metals (is one theory I have heard). I'm quite certain big corporate interests are behind this, as that is the mainstay of our military-industrial society very sadly....

But...but... wait, what about the reptilian aliens? Lots of people just like you believe they're in charge of the government and are doing the chemtrails "for sure" and they have lots of internet links too! Look!
https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


OMG. You must be a reptilian disinformation agent, trying to cover up the truth.

[broadbandersnatch]

Dude, I did. Try reading my post again.

Flying or driving, we're polluting the hell out of the planet with the same noxious chemicals, heavy metals and hydrocarbons. You don't need a conspiracy, we're all doing it willingly.

"Dude", No one's is saying we're not aware of these issues. That was the point of my post, which was a response to your post which expressed sadness over the lack of awareness of these issues being expressed on this thread. I'm certainly not supporting a conspiracy theory regarding americans feeling of entitlement regarding our reckless use of the planet's resources

[Clancy]

"Dude", No one's is saying we're not aware of these issues...

Uh, Dude, no one but me is even talking about it. That was my point. It's silly to be wringing our hands over a possible conspiracy to inject hydrocarbons and heavy metals into the air when almost all of us are doing it, every day, willingly.

[leela8]

I would like to suggest that as a general group most people are doing it knowingly, but not willingly.

If better cleaner options had been researched, subsidized and implemented by government and corporate/private sector entities alike, we would not be doing it, knowingly or willingly. We need transport, it is wonderful and useful, and until better options are implemented with environmental and human well-being in mind, that is what we are stuck with.

Diminishing peoples' concerns that something suspect might be going on, (much like the supression of alternative vehicles by gov't/corporate collusion several years back, a known fact) by pulling the alien mind-control-tinfoil-hat-cult card on them, seems unfair, and verging on rude.

You keep saying you're the "only one" on this thread concerned about the issue of fossil fuel pollution etc, but are ignoring all the posts here that agree with you and express an equal amount of concern. Sounds like you're the paranoid one now ;)

[LightBrownLeghorns]

I see you posted a response to me that was nothing more than what a middle school bully would do.

I looked at the part in our posts that mention how much gratitude one has given, and you have given zero gratitude in your four years on here and 600+ posts. In looking at the threads you have started, without going to see how many bully tirades you have gone on to other members, I see quite a few stories against big oil, many on Democrats (and Obama being a disappointment), and then the one about the time traveling bird (I scanned the story and the sentence about the time traveling bird seemed very out of place).

And as you lay into people on here about conspiracies, why, you have several that you seem to believe in as evidenced by some of the titles of newstories you copied and posted in full on here (shaky grounds for violating the terms here as well as copyright law). One of your multiple stories on the H1N1 virus being trumped to the public declared the author, "Am I a conspiracy theorist if I suggest that since the network's nightly news broadcasts are sponsored almost entirely by prescription drug ads, that you might have to hold your breath a long time before you hear the alternative point of view to using pharmaceuticals to cure all our ailments? . . . I don't think its "anti-science" to pause and consider that point of view."

Then there are more stories such as, "Mediums - Worthwhile or Hoax? , H1N1 Flu Is a False Pandemic, Health Expert Claims, America has been hijacked, The extent of Obama's betrayal can not be overstated, The sheer EVIL of the oil industry's disinformation campaign on global warming, Study: Wireless phones can affect the brain."

Did anyone taunt you in your rage to post stories that went against the mainstream? Why are you a grown man bully, and it seems a hypocrite and against freedom to discuss issues in the proper section of this bulletin board?

[Clancy]

I see you posted a response to me that was nothing more than what a middle school bully would do... Why are you a grown man bully, and it seems a hypocrite and against freedom to discuss issues in the proper section of this bulletin board?

Where'd you go? Does this mean you don't believe aliens are doing the chemtrails? Many, many people believe 'reptilians' are responsible, how about you? Frankly, I'm skeptical, and I wonder how you determine which conspiracy theory to believe.

["Mad" Miles]

LightBrownLeghorns,

I find your retort to Clancy to be hyperbolic, bordering on the hysterical. (No, it's not a sexist word, even if the origin can be painted with that brush, it means "emotionally out of control." In some contexts it means funny, but that's not the sense in which I'm using it here.)

Clancy is fully capable of defending himself, and I'm sure he will. But your response to being teased about Reptilian Overlords (All Hail Our Serpentine Masters!!! ...Just wanna be safe, rather than sorry....) is, how can I say it without adding fuel to your fire? Inflated. Over the top.

Now, nobody has violated any restrictions on expression here, neither you or Clancy, you've both stayed within the guidelines of "respectful, conscious" communication. Well, maybe pushed the boundaries a little, but nobody's broken through the border into direct insult and abuse.

But, digging up his posting history? Threatening him with copyright law? (Which would rebound on Barry, not Clancy.) Labeling him a Bully?

Really? Is that how you refute a refudiator?

You are aware that the "gratitude" history is incomplete, as reported by Barry a few days ago. So your investigation into Clancy's history of giving and receiving thanks, only represents his participation for the last several weeks. And he's been inactive on wacco for months, until his recent reappearance. If you're going to cite facts about a community, you should know the lay of the land.

Clancy is brusque and direct. I appreciate his candor. Granted, generally we're on the same side of these debates. But even if we weren't, I'm fairly sure his derision, if it was aimed at me, would be something I could handle, and could return in kind if I so chose.

Reading the riot act and crying home to momma? (In this case I suppose momma is the court of waccoon public opinion.) Seems kind of extreme given the circumstances.

Who kicked your hen?

By the way, the subject of Chemtrails, pro and con, is not a new topic on this board. It's already been addressed by most, if not all, sides. At least twice, extensively, that I recall in the last five years or so. I haven't seen anything new or convincing to support the purported threat posed by them, in this thread.

Doesn't mean you believers don't fully have the right to bring them up again. Of course you do. But you don't have the right to demand that those who find the "evidence" for them unconvincing shut up and leave you alone. The fact that they're a persistent concern among some circles of our, uh, fringe culture is not sufficient proof that they are anything other than a self-perpetuating urban myth, that is being spread by a small, incestuous group of opportunistic pseudo-scientists, for purposes of fun and profit. And the charlatans I'm referring to are not you believers, they're the ones who I am fairly confident have you hoodwinked.

And before you think you're being dismissed and/or insulted by my use of "fringe", just let me say I love the TV show, and I'm an agnostic on this and many other issues. Spin spider webs from the upper atmosphere all you want. When I think there's convincing empirical evidence that the military industrial complex is poisoning the same ecosystem that their families depend on for their lives, oxygen, food and shelter, I may hop on board. So far, no cigar.

Or it's the minions of the green, slant pupiled, yellow eyed, scaly cool smooth ones trying to deflect us from the truth! All hail the beautiful ones!

[sharingwisdom]

Good resources. Thank you! Would also like to add about "Operation Popeye."
https://www.sunshine-project.org/enmod/US_Congr.html where weather modification was used during the Vietnam War. So it's not like it hasn't been implemented before to continue the process to now.


Award-winnning journalist, William Thomas, has also discussed how technology & planning was developed as far back as the 1960s to combat global warming by scattering small particulates in the atmosphere. He detailed how a whistleblower known as "Deep Sky," an air traffic controller, revealed in 2001 that controllers were ordered to divert commercial flights away from Air Force craft that were involved in weather/climate modification. He continued that in the winter of 2005, the United States government established a federal bureau of weather modification in Washington, DC. whose stated mission is to modify the weather and climate. Under this rubric, he claims that the government could come out and admit to a chemtrail-type project eventually. https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/thomas-william/5796

Hi,

I appreciate the views expressed on this thread and am glad that some people who........

[Claire]

Geez, Miles. Take a chill pill.
You sound a little over-the-top emotional to me. Bordering on Hysterical!
How does that feel to be on the receiving end? Would you like me to go on and on for a full page?
Again, if someone wants to follow the studies of accredited scientists and be completely alarmed, how is that your problem?
And the crack about running home to Momma... well, "seems kind of extreme, given the circumstances". yada yada yada.
if you aren't interested in this supposed pseudo science topic, you could always just butt out.
i didn't see that you offered anything of value yourself except the gratitude history.

Coming at me next? aw c'mon, gimme your best shot! :]

LightBrownLeghorns,

I find your retort to Clancy to be hyperbolic, bordering on the hysterical.
...
Or it's the minions of the green, slant pupiled, yellow eyed, scaly cool smooth ones trying to deflect us from the truth! All hail the beautiful ones!