Is America now a Marxist Nation?

[Esra]

Hello everyone,

Perhaps some of you have read this article from English.Pravda.

Part of me sees it as a blunt warning about the things to come. Another part of me sees it as National Inquire-ish propaganda from those who don't care for America.

How do you read this article? Do you agree with the author or do you think it isn't even worthy of discussion?



American capitalism gone with a whimper

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?

These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.

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Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.
So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.
Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.
So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.
The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.
The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker.

Stanislav Mishin

[Speak2Truth]

That Russian knows of what he speaks! Americans were tricked into a "historic opportunity" at the polls, all right. While they voted on the color of the man's skin, they completely ignored the Communist banner flying in his campaign office. Historic, indeed! Democrats voted in our nation's ENEMY to RULE our nation.

I say RULE because this Administration is not bound, in any way, by our Constitution. After 8 years of crying about the Bush Administration doing something as timid as tracking potential terrorist phone calls in the US, you'd think the complete constitutional disregard of the Obama Administration would have the marching in the streets with pitchforks and torches. But no. They weren't really upset about potential breaches of our Constitution after all. They were just told to be angry at the Republican President and, like good cattle, they went where the whip drove them. Now, they are told to be happy with the new guy who is enslaving them and, like good cattle, they go where the whip drives them.

Amazing.

So, Obama hands Hummer to China to produce. He shuts down PROFITABLE car dealerships in order to hand them over to foreign car distributors. He lets Russia have GM's Opel division.

Think about this - if these operations were not economically viable, why would anybody else want them? Obama is GUTTING our car industry.

To make matters worse, the guys who orchestrated this economic meltdown are now controlling the US economy and, with no restraint, redistributing wealth wherever they wish.

But let's talk about FASCISM for a moment. When Government dictates terms to private corporations, that is Fascism. It is the opposite of Americanism. America, as we once knew it, no longer exists. Fascists now run the nation.

And now Barney Frank proposes the creation of government committees that will dictate to private businesses the terms of compensation for employment.

That is blatant Communist practice as well as Fascism.

The USA is now run by Communist Fascists.

The Che Guevara banner on Obama's campaign office wall should have been warning enough - but Democrats just don't get it.

[Skook]

No, as it has been for decades, America is still owned and operated by the largest corporations. At least this corporate puppet can read his lines, the last one was downright embarrassing.

[Speak2Truth]

No, as it has been for decades, America is still owned and operated by the largest corporations. At least this corporate puppet can read his lines, the last one was downright embarrassing.

Granted, the last guy got stage fright really badly. He was anything but a slick stage performer.

I have the same problem. When I get in front of the cameras, I sometimes flub a line or two and, goshdarnit, the brain doesn't always remember what we intended to talk about when the spotlight is on us.

A skilled deceiver is much more comfortable in those circumstances.

So, what are the large corporations that own America? I'll point my finger at the Federal Reserve - but who else dictates terms to our Government - and is therefore not subject to government dictating terms to them?

[phooph]

Granted, the last guy got stage fright really badly. He was anything but a slick stage performer.

I have the same problem. When I get in front of the cameras, I sometimes flub a line or two and, goshdarnit, the brain doesn't always remember what we intended to talk about when the spotlight is on us.

A skilled deceiver is much more comfortable in those circumstances.

So, what are the large corporations that own America? I'll point my finger at the Federal Reserve - but who else dictates terms to our Government - and is therefore not subject to government dictating terms to them?

About 5 years out of date but...
THEY RULE

["Mad" Miles]

I came home from the afternoon and evening at H-Fest, and opened my waccie traffic, saw this thread (again) and realized why I find the question so aggravating.

To be blunt (and you know how blunt I can be!) anyone asking this question is unbelievably naive and misinformed, or is a crafty ideologue using a buzzword for "EVIL" who is trying to exploit the naive and misinformed for some reason. Political recruiting is my first suspicion as to motive.

Here's why. Aside from the numerous very different and contradictory tendencies, all of whom can be called a form of Marxism, there is NO VIABLE Marxist Party, or Marxist social force of any kind, active enough in this country to influence anything!!!!

Why do I know this?

Well, for one I've been active on the Left in the USA (such as it is, the Left that is, not the USA. That's a topic for another discussion.) for the last thirty-four years. And at no time in that period has there been any Marxist Party or movement that was even remotely close to being influential beyond the Gauchist* Ghetto, let alone a threat to established political power in that period.

* Leftist in French.

Secondly, I read history. I know about things that happened before the period of my own adult experience, and even things that happened before I was born. History for the past centuries, even millenia and more.

The last time the Left, as constituted by any Socialist force influenced by Karl Marx and his followers, had any chance of gaining influence in the US, was the late thirties into the early forties. And it was pretty fucking marginal even then!

The Commie, Socialist, Marxist, "mouth-breathing atheist evil babarian horde trogloditic working class mob" threat ended when the AFL/CIO agreed to not strike during WWII.

The fact that the U.S. Communist Party strongly supported this no-strike agreement, since they were mostly concerned with the survival of the U.S.S.R. was an ironic aspect of this deal. They lost a lot of street cred with the workers, which came around to bite them in the ass during...

The nail in the coffin of a commie takeover was the period called the Red Scare. After the war, the dominant union leaders agreed to, and carried out, purges of all open Communists, Socialists and Anarchists* from union activist ranks and offices.

*To name just the broadest of distinctions between the "dominant" (as if!?) tendencies on the Left.

It's called the McCarthy period for anyone who doesn't already know and might want to google, bing or whatever it.

So anyone claiming there is a Marxist threat, is talking out of an orifice not located on/in their head. Whether lieing or deluded, or some combination thereof, they need to do some work before they continue to make utter fools of themselves.

And yes, Leninism Sucks. It's a long story why. I believe I addressed the basics some years ago on this board. Feel free to search for it. And if you find it, please remind me which post it is!

But is Marxism, of any kind, a threat to the future freedoms of humanity? Get Real!


By the way, neither China, nor Russia especially, are Marxist-Socialist states. Some have argued they never were.

But if you accept Marxism-Leninism as a form of Marxism, for the sake of argument, then yes, Soviet "Socialism" (State Capitalism according to the Trots) was a form of Marxism.

China (and Cuba, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Libya, North Korea) calls itself Marxist. But it's what it has always been under the Marxist-Leninist nee Maoist 1949 government. A one party military dictatorship which rules in the name of workers and all people, but really operates to benefit the leaders of the bureaucracy that runs things in the name of those lies.

Then they turned to capitalism in the eighties to overcome thirty-one years of seriously destructive misrule. Losing the Cold War was a major motivation as well. Bad economic policies (forget the police state for a second) that resulted in the unecessary death of millions. Read, The Private Life of Chairman Mao, by his doctor, Li Zhisui, for a devastating first hand account.


I blame Marxism-Leninism for destroying the option of Socialism (of a Humanitarian and Democratic kind) from being considered seriously by residents of the United States for generations to come.

And this in spite of Sweden, Denmark and Norway consistently being awarded the places in the world with the best standards of living and the highest happiness scales on the planet.

Yes, even in spite of the high suicide rates!


Please, prove me wrong. I've been hoping for a significant move towards Democratic Socialism that addresses the egregious destructive tendencies of Capitalism for four decades. Since I see no evidence of that coming about, even remotely, for a long, long time to come, (if ever), if you can show me the way to a quicker arrival, I would be extremely grateful!


A picture of Che Guevarra - someone who I briefly admired, based on his book about the Cuban Revolution, but who, once I learned he had been a gleeful executioner, I lost any respect for - is not a "Marxist" symbol for the "Marxists" running anything.

It is a gesture towards naive, ignorant hero worship on part of the Liberal Left. All most people know about Che is the T-Shirt/Poster. A good looking Argentinian dude with a beard and a beret, who said something about Revolutionaries being motivated by Love. Romantic and cool. That's it.

It's about as significant as pictures of Lincoln at a Republican Party event.

In fact much less so, since Che was no fan of the Demo's!

The Republicans, at least, can claim Abe as a member. Even if they now have nothing to do with his legacy, and haven't in quite some time.

Che represents Latino, and in general underclass, empowerment with a little bit of a bohemian louche dangerous twist. He no longer represents an organized movement with designs on world power. Especially in this country!

And please, don't send me any links or quotes from some Leninist grupuscule's website. Those guys are just as loony tunes as the right wing paranoids who tout the Commie Threat!

Both sides wish the other to be real (as in significant and important) mostly so they can validate their own fantasies of leading adventurous lives fighting some form of ultimate evil.

The world is more complicated, subtle and interesting than that arrested adolescent male dream of hero vs. villain.

Why do I know this?

Because I used to have similar binary oppositional limited logic views. Back when I was fourteen or so.

Until I learned better.


Moving On, And I Really Mean It This Time!

"Mad" Miles





Here's my new email signature: I came up with it after a "night of the soul" last week, a story too complicated to relate here, maybe sometime:

Fight to survive when you have no other choice, make peace as much as possible, and live in the interstices of that dilemma. RMM

[theindependenteye]

An article by Frank Rich in today's NY Times addresses this discussion
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/o..._r=1&th&emc=th. Of course it goes without saying that the Times is published by the Symbionese Liberation Army (Eastern Divisions), but hey, it shows how scared the Marxist Supremacy is scared by Truth.

-Conrad

[phooph]

Excellently and eloquently stated, oh mad one.

Whenever I see anyone speaking of the communist threat in this country I know that they have been infected with the propaganda of the divisive element that masquerades as patriotism but is in reality the public relations arm of the corporate plutocracy that places worship of "capitalism" above God, country, nature, and human relationships.

Their brand of capitalism looks as little like true capitalism as their brand of communism looks like true communism.
To them, anything that threatens their political and economic rule is labeled communism because they have been so successful in convincing the masses that this is a global political pandemic that threatens to destroy the very foundations of society.

Through the power of their money and the institutions they have built and controlled, such as the banking system, the education system, the government, and religious institutions, they have control over the entire country and much of the world. This is the New World Order, a corporatocracy that views all people and things as resources to be exploited for their own enrichment. They believe they are entitled to their positions of aristocracy and all the perks that come at the expense everyone else.

It is both hilarious and tragic that the right and left are both fighting against the oppressions created by the stranglehold of this oligarchy, while the oligarchs have convinced them that it is the other wing that is the true enemy. Divide and conquer.

It is the oligarchs that fear our guns and our labor unions. It is the oligarchs that have set up the tax system to be burdensome to the middle class while resting lightly on their shoulders. It is the oligarchs that sent so many of our middle class jobs overseas and benefit by our porous borders bringing in cheap, illegal labor to replace them. It is the people who identify themselves as "capitalists" who have created the mess that our economy has become, and it is those at the very peak of this economic mountain that are reaping the rewards of this crisis.

It was the oligarchs who chaffed at the rule of law being applied to their activities and lobbied to have regulations removed - to "get government out of the way of business" - so they could carry out their risky and criminal financial activities and when their imaginary wealth evaporated, demanded that those who actually work for a living bail them out or they would crash the system completely. If that looks like socialism to you, you are correct, but it is socialism for so called capitalists, not for the working stiffs who fall on hard times. It is the old aristocracy in modern form, demanding that the masses keep them comfortable because they are the elite and therefore deserve it.

I came home from the afternoon and evening at H-Fest, and opened my waccie traffic, saw this thread (again) and realized why I find the question so aggravating.

To be blunt (and you know how blunt I can be!) anyone asking this question is unbelievably naive and misinformed, or is a crafty ideologue using a buzzword for "EVIL" who is trying to exploit the naive and misinformed for some reason. Political recruiting is my first suspicion as to motive.

Here's why. Aside from the numerous very different and contradictory tendencies, all of whom can be called a form of Marxism, there is NO VIABLE Marxist Party, or Marxist social force of any kind, active enough in this country to influence anything!!!!

Why do I know this?

Well, for one I've been active on the Left in the USA (such as it is, the Left that is, not the USA. That's a topic for another discussion.) for the last thirty-four years. And at no time in that period has there been any Marxist Party or movement that was even remotely close to being influential beyond the Gauchist* Ghetto, let alone a threat to established political power in that period.

* Leftist in French.

Secondly, I read history. I know about things that happened before the period of my own adult experience, and even things that happened before I was born. History for the past centuries, even millenia and more.

The last time the Left, as constituted by any Socialist force influenced by Karl Marx and his followers, had any chance of gaining influence in the US, was the late thirties into the early forties. And it was pretty fucking marginal even then!

The Commie, Socialist, Marxist, "mouth-breathing atheist evil babarian horde trogloditic working class mob" threat ended when the AFL/CIO agreed to not strike during WWII.

The fact that the U.S. Communist Party strongly supported this no-strike agreement, since they were mostly concerned with the survival of the U.S.S.R. was an ironic aspect of this deal. They lost a lot of street cred with the workers, which came around to bite them in the ass during...

The nail in the coffin of a commie takeover was the period called the Red Scare. After the war, the dominant union leaders agreed to, and carried out, purges of all open Communists, Socialists and Anarchists* from union activist ranks and offices.

*To name just the broadest of distinctions between the "dominant" (as if!?) tendencies on the Left.

It's called the McCarthy period for anyone who doesn't already know and might want to google, bing or whatever it.

So anyone claiming there is a Marxist threat, is talking out of an orifice not located on/in their head. Whether lieing or deluded, or some combination thereof, they need to do some work before they continue to make utter fools of themselves.

And yes, Leninism Sucks. It's a long story why. I believe I addressed the basics some years ago on this board. Feel free to search for it. And if you find it, please remind me which post it is!

But is Marxism, of any kind, a threat to the future freedoms of humanity? Get Real!


By the way, neither China, nor Russia especially, are Marxist-Socialist states. Some have argued they never were.

But if you accept Marxism-Leninism as a form of Marxism, for the sake of argument, then yes, Soviet "Socialism" (State Capitalism according to the Trots) was a form of Marxism.

China (and Cuba, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Libya, North Korea) calls itself Marxist. But it's what it has always been under the Marxist-Leninist nee Maoist 1949 government. A one party military dictatorship which rules in the name of workers and all people, but really operates to benefit the leaders of the bureaucracy that runs things in the name of those lies.

Then they turned to capitalism in the eighties to overcome thirty-one years of seriously destructive misrule. Losing the Cold War was a major motivation as well. Bad economic policies (forget the police state for a second) that resulted in the unecessary death of millions. Read, The Private Life of Chairman Mao, by his doctor, Li Zhisui, for a devastating first hand account.


I blame Marxism-Leninism for destroying the option of Socialism (of a Humanitarian and Democratic kind) from being considered seriously by residents of the United States for generations to come.

And this in spite of Sweden, Denmark and Norway consistently being awarded the places in the world with the best standards of living and the highest happiness scales on the planet.

Yes, even in spite of the high suicide rates!


Please, prove me wrong. I've been hoping for a significant move towards Democratic Socialism that addresses the egregious destructive tendencies of Capitalism for four decades. Since I see no evidence of that coming about, even remotely, for a long, long time to come, (if ever), if you can show me the way to a quicker arrival, I would be extremely grateful!


A picture of Che Guevarra - someone who I briefly admired, based on his book about the Cuban Revolution, but who, once I learned he had been a gleeful executioner, I lost any respect for - is not a "Marxist" symbol for the "Marxists" running anything.

It is a gesture towards naive, ignorant hero worship on part of the Liberal Left. All most people know about Che is the T-Shirt/Poster. A good looking Argentinian dude with a beard and a beret, who said something about Revolutionaries being motivated by Love. Romantic and cool. That's it.

It's about as significant as pictures of Lincoln at a Republican Party event.

In fact much less so, since Che was no fan of the Demo's!

The Republicans, at least, can claim Abe as a member. Even if they now have nothing to do with his legacy, and haven't in quite some time.

Che represents Latino, and in general underclass, empowerment with a little bit of a bohemian louche dangerous twist. He no longer represents an organized movement with designs on world power. Especially in this country!

And please, don't send me any links or quotes from some Leninist grupuscule's website. Those guys are just as loony tunes as the right wing paranoids who tout the Commie Threat!

Both sides wish the other to be real (as in significant and important) mostly so they can validate their own fantasies of leading adventurous lives fighting some form of ultimate evil.

The world is more complicated, subtle and interesting than that arrested adolescent male dream of hero vs. villain.

Why do I know this?

Because I used to have similar binary oppositional limited logic views. Back when I was fourteen or so.

Until I learned better.


Moving On, And I Really Mean It This Time!

"Mad" Miles





Here's my new email signature: I came up with it after a "night of the soul" last week, a story too complicated to relate here, maybe sometime:

Fight to survive when you have no other choice, make peace as much as possible, and live in the interstices of that dilemma. RMM

[Skook]

Miles and Phooph - it's a breath of fresh air to read both your contributions in this thread. I'm impressed, and I don't impress easily.

Excellently and eloquently stated, oh mad one.

Whenever I see anyone speaking of the communist threat in this country I know that they have been infected with the propaganda of the divisive element that masquerades as patriotism but is in reality the public relations arm of the corporate plutocracy that places worship of "capitalism" above God, country, nature, and human relationships.

Their brand of capitalism looks as little like true capitalism as their brand of communism looks like true communism.
To them, anything that threatens their political and economic rule is labeled communism because they have been so successful in convincing the masses that this is a global political pandemic that threatens to destroy the very foundations of society.

Through the power of their money and the institutions they have built and controlled, such as the banking system, the education system, the government, and religious institutions, they have control over the entire country and much of the world. This is the New World Order, a corporatocracy that views all people and things as resources to be exploited for their own enrichment. They believe they are entitled to their positions of aristocracy and all the perks that come at the expense everyone else.

It is both hilarious and tragic that the right and left are both fighting against the oppressions created by the stranglehold of this oligarchy, while the oligarchs have convinced them that it is the other wing that is the true enemy. Divide and conquer.

It is the oligarchs that fear our guns and our labor unions. It is the oligarchs that have set up the tax system to be burdensome to the middle class while resting lightly on their shoulders. It is the oligarchs that sent so many of our middle class jobs overseas and benefit by our porous borders bringing in cheap, illegal labor to replace them. It is the people who identify themselves as "capitalists" who have created the mess that our economy has become, and it is those at the very peak of this economic mountain that are reaping the rewards of this crisis.

It was the oligarchs who chaffed at the rule of law being applied to their activities and lobbied to have regulations removed - to "get government out of the way of business" - so they could carry out their risky and criminal financial activities and when their imaginary wealth evaporated, demanded that those who actually work for a living bail them out or they would crash the system completely. If that looks like socialism to you, you are correct, but it is socialism for so called capitalists, not for the working stiffs who fall on hard times. It is the old aristocracy in modern form, demanding that the masses keep them comfortable because they are the elite and therefore deserve it.

["Mad" Miles]

Skook,

You're very much welcome. Ditto to you and Phooph, and Conrad.

I just read the Frank Rich oped. Who knew John Voight, an actor I used to very much admire, especially after I saw "Conrack" back in the mid-seventies, was such a douche?

Not that I follow celebrity news, to the extent it is possible to avoid it in this culture, which as we know is impossible, but the estrangement between him and his daughter makes more sense given his toxic politics.

We need a movement for environmental, social and economic justice, perhaps even survival, that rivals the corporatistas. That's been my committment for decades.

But the enemy (and yes, "we're all one" loving people, we have enemies, note the recent shooting at the Holocaust Museum) has many more resources and a powerful cultural mechanism to shape minds. A mechanism that they control and dominate.

We've just got the power of our sincerity and ability to speak with common sense.

The race between conscious reason, (a highly questionable concept itself, but that's another discussion) and the unquestioned habits inherited from our ancestors, is still on.

I'm hoping for a good result but won't be surprised by tragedy. And, of course, it's a lot more complex than my simplistic dualistic summary can even begin to grasp.

H-Fest is a place to dream and hope. And to scope babes, see my upcoming set on flickr!

But the ever more prominant advertising, the constant commercials from the MC's during the set breaks, and the $8 beers with non-reusable plastic cups (The Health Department you know?) also give pause and concern.

Anyone worried that Hippy or Punk are a front for "Kahmanism" isn't paying attention.

It's all about the greenback. Not the tortoise, the dollah.

Zut!

"Mad" Miles

[Speak2Truth]

About 5 years out of date but...
THEY RULE

Ah - may I suggest the title should be "They Influence"?

Those who Rule create laws and command people with guns to enforce those laws. It may be a King, a Parliament, a Legislature, but that is Rule.

They are, of course, subject to all sorts of influence from folks with money, from Unions, from ACORN, from foreign governments putting cash into their election funds. As the Mad one says, the dollar is highly influential.

It is possible for the Legislature to command corporations now. It is not possible for corporations to command the legislature.

What we have under Obama is standard Fascism - in which Government bosses corporations around and gets its Party operatives into power within those corporations, such as the UAW being (illegally?) given ownership of a car corporation instead of the secured investors. Barney Frank insists on expanding that power:

Barney Frank Seeks New Laws on Compensation Structures
Government committees to dictate compensation to private corporations
Frank Seeks New Laws on Compensation Structures - WSJ.com

Notice - Government bossing around the corporations, not the other way around.

[Speak2Truth]

"The greatest trick of the Devil is to convince you he does not exist"

It would be correct to say that no specific Marxist group is in power in the US. But, that's not how Marxists work. They form "coalitions of power" within a society, such as "community organisers" or Unions, to serve a common agenda that we now see taking control of all important aspects of our lives.

How did this happen? Why are we no longer a free people?

When Joseph McCarthy was shut down by Marxists and the Democrats, he was searching for actual Communist spies working within the US Government, a result of damage done by Soviet agents before his time. As we know from the Venona Project he not only was correct about quite a few of the people in his list but that he seriously underestimated the extent of Soviet control in our own Government.

The Hidden Truth About Joseph McCarthy - Venona Cables Decrypted
The Hidden Truth About Joseph McCarthy

Not that the Venona Project revelations were given press coverage.

With McCarthy safely out of the way, Socialists were free to expand their control inside the US.

John Wayne formed a group with other actors to stop them from taking over Hollywood - and failed. Communists like to take over the movie industry because it is a powerful tool for "perception management". Even Lenin understood this and made good use of "Man with the Movie Camera" to sway naive audiences into believing Socialism would bring them Progress and Prosperity. It is a subtle and nuanced method to sway the public into viewpoints useful to the progressive Socialist takeover.

I went to film school. I am saying this from first-hand experience.

Socialists took control of the education system and progressively took control over much of the mass media. The Communist Party created the ACLU (look up Roger Baldwin) to progressively use a weakness in our justice system called "precedent" to rework our laws to suit the Marxist agenda.

What do Socialists/Marxists/Communists actually want? That can be summed up as, "I TAKE YOUR STUFF". They want control over your life, your business, your assets. Nothing they do is designed to give you Liberty, freedom from their meddling in your life and seizing as much of your assets as they wish.

The Marxist agenda began with Karl Marx, a man so lazy he refused to work to feed his starving wife and daughters. He mooched off his buddy Engels and others and cooked up a scheme that would force society to put all its produce in a common pool, under the control of a ruling elite, to be redistributed so folks like him could live off the labor of others.

Are we there yet? Yeah.

Fast forward to today:

Openly Communist masterminds such as Frank Marshall Davis and William Ayers groomed a young man with great stage charisma to be their figurehead - and with a willing and complicit mainstream media got him into power by touting the "historic opportunity" to vote for a half-black man.

The Che Guevara banner on Obama's campaign office wall was enough warning to anybody paying attention. Who could vote for the Communist-backed Candidate? A lot of people, apparently.

Obama Office Wall - Che Guevara banner fifteen seconds into video clip
Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Picture of the Day - February 13, 2008

The claim that Marxists hold no sway in America is defied by the plainly visible facts. They now RUN America.

And what of the Soviet Union "losing" the Cold War? That was a strategic move. Communists including Michael Gorbachev wanted to expand their global power, especially within the US. To do so, they needed to make Americans no longer see Communism as a direct threat. As "losers" in the Cold War, they would instead get sympathy. I believe it was Jimmy Carter who expressed the need to make Americans stop fearing Communism.

Gorbachev, after leaving the USSR in ruins, went on to bigger and better things. He created Green Cross International, the organization devoted to instituting global Carbon Taxes and Cap and Trade as a means of establishing global Communist control over ALL nations!

Al Gore, Barack Obama and other highly influential folks are working directly to give Gorbachev's organization power within the United States to manage our economy, through punitive "carbon management".

Some of Obama's own assertions (and recent actions) reveal his loyalty to the Communist, rather than American, agenda.


Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered
Lamented that Supreme Court could not redistribute our wealth, must instead create "coalitions of power" to do so
NewsMax - America's News Page

Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry with Carbon Cap scheme
Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry | NewsBusters.org

Comrade Barack Hussein Obama
Soviet despot Nikita Khrushchev observed that America's transition from liberty to serfdom would have to be incremental: "We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."
Mark Alexander - Obama's economic philosophy

Republicans Defiant, But House Passes Massive Stimulus Bill.
No Republican voted for the redistribution scheme but Socialist Democrat party now has dictatorship power.
Newsmax.com - Republicans Defiant, But House Passes Massive Stimulus Bill

LOST and Found: Senate Moves Toward Ratification of U.N.'s 'Law of the Sea Treaty'
Gives United Nations sovereignty over US waterways, ability to tax US mineral extraction and redistribute the wealth
LOST and Found: Senate Moves Toward Ratification of U.N.'s 'Law of the Sea Treaty' - Political News - FOXNews.com

[Skook]

Barry, et al...

You've hit the big time and attracted your very own disinformation specialist. Not likely he's paid though, there's thousands of unemployed RW whackos spending their lives on the internet, listening to Rush Limbaugh with one ear while cutting and pasting moronic drivel from Faux News and World Net Daily, wittingly or, more likely, unwittingly serving the corporate elite.

It would be correct to say that no specific Marxist group is in power in the US. But, that's not how Marxists work. They form "coalitions of power" within a society, such as "community organisers" or Unions, to serve a common agenda that we now see taking control of all important aspects of our lives.

blah blah blah...

[Speak2Truth]

Barry, et al...

You've hit the big time and attracted your very own disinformation specialist. Not likely he's paid though, there's thousands of unemployed RW whackos spending their lives on the internet, listening to Rush Limbaugh

I've never listened to Rush Limbaugh. I also do not watch television, though I did see O'Reilly some years ago.

What I'm telling you is based on first-hand observation as well as a good deal of research.

The Mad One ridicules the Che Guevara banner, claiming it is devoid of true Communist ideological meaning. I say he's wrong. It is flown by Communist agitators around this nation. Guevara and Castro are their iconic leaders. Those following the Cuban flag (which was also on the Obama campaign office wall, if you watch the video) are ideological ENEMIES of America.

But what about the question, "Is America now a Marxist nation?"

Marx spelled out the progressive destruction of a Free Capitalist nation using a process:

1) Wreck free-market Capitalism (already done)
2) Institute Socialist policies (already done - you cannot do anything without government "permission" and taxation and regulation and redistribution of your wealth)
3) Establish the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (already done - generation of public "sentiment" is all the basis needed to force blatantly unConstitutional policies on America)
4) Pure Communism (getting closer every day Obama is in office)

Miles says he would like to see Socialism instituted in America - but it already has been.

I have a question for you, Miles. Given that the Communist agenda is to wreck the US as a superpower and give China and Russia the top positions of power in the world, are you comfortable with allowing folks hostile to America to seize the reins of Socialist control here?

They already have. They have nationalized our car industry, shut down the profitable dealerships so foreign car companies could take them over, handed the Hummer division to China, handed the Opel division to Russia...

Nobody would want those divisions if they were not economically viable.

Our nation no longer has Constitutional protection. It is gone. Government decides for itself how much of your assets to seize, what is to be done with private businesses, whether you even get permission to start a business, how much of your business income to take for themselves...

The Marxist agenda has been firmly established here. You are no longer Free People.

[Barry]

Barry, et al...

You've hit the big time and attracted your very own disinformation specialist. Not likely he's paid though, there's thousands of unemployed RW whackos spending their lives on the internet, listening to Rush Limbaugh with one ear while cutting and pasting moronic drivel from Faux News and World Net Daily, wittingly or, more likely, unwittingly serving the corporate elite.

Yeah, I know...

Speak2truth (which, by the way, if you are "speaking to truth", it implies that what you are speaking is not the truth! ) is spouting off some right-wing extremist hysteria which seems to be growing at the moment.

He's seems relatively we'll behaved, if mis-informed, so I'm letting him post in this thread and 1 or 2 others. You guys are welcome to engage him if you find it interesting. I have to say, that I do find it somewhat interesting, even scary, to see what it going on in the minds on some of those on the fringe.

[Skook]

It is scary, and bizarre, to see what has happened to so-called conservatism in this country. He's so off-base, and downright crazy about virtually every subject it's not worth engaging him. For instance, 42% of both democrats and republicans self-identify as regular church goers, yet this creep seems to think religion and spirituality are solely conservative pursuits.

Yeah, I know...

Speak2truth (which, by the way, if you are "speaking to truth", it implies that what you are speaking is not the truth! ) is spouting off some right-wing extremist hysteria which seems to be growing at the moment.

He's seems relatively we'll behaved, if mis-informed, so I'm letting him post in this thread and 1 or 2 others. You guys are welcome to engage him if you find it interesting. I have to say, that I do find it somewhat interesting, even scary, to see what it going on in the minds on some of those on the fringe.

[Speak2Truth]

For my part, I'm laughing at you guys. I present hard fact and reason and all you can do is call me names. If you are incapable of forming well-reasoned arguments to show that I am wrong about any of this, are you then willing to reconsider your own defensive reaction to an intellectual challenge?

If you simply want more detail on any of the assertions I've made, feel free to ask. You might find it informative.

I'll give credit to phooph for at least presenting arguments instead of resorting to name-calling.

yet this creep seems to think religion and spirituality are solely conservative pursuits.

Strange, are you claiming to be some sort of mind-reader?

I now challenge you to show me where I've made any such assertion.

Be honest, now. Prove your assertion or admit you were wrong.

What this comes down to, for me, is a challenge to folks who cling to lies. Not merely disinformation but outright lies. You have facts in front of you to show that they are lies - but can your mind absorb, consider and implement those facts into your worldview?

Yuri Bezmenov is betting you can't.

[Speak2Truth]

Barry, after your rambling attempt to interpret my username as having some meaning...

What do you make of S. Kook?

[Barrie]

Dear Speak2Truth. Most human conflict could be solved if we all made an attempt to understand the other sides point of view. Why don't you spend a week listening to KPFA at 94.1 FM. I often watch Fox news just to hear the other point of view.

Barrie (not Barry)

[Speak2Truth]

Dear Speak2Truth. Most human conflict could be solved if we all made an attempt to understand the other sides point of view. Why don't you spend a week listening to KPFA at 94.1 FM. I often watch Fox news just to hear the other point of view.

Barrie (not Barry)

I can't get the FM signal but I'm trying their website for web streaming. I'll listen in.

Hey, go to KPFK.org and check out their icon - an upside-down "peace" sign.

The original peace symbol has the tines upwards, representing a 'pale' or thorn fence. It represents security. Defense. It is a rune called eolchseg (sp?)

The Communists inverted the symbol, so it would mean "vulnerability", then tricked the useful idiots into using it. Some countries, such as Greece, understood the meaning and banned use of the symbol in the inverted position. Communists are good at symbolic programming of the human mind and not enough folks notice what they're doing.

Okay, tuning in at KPFK. We may have things to discuss soon...

[The Computer Wizard]

There is a book titled "Peace: The Biography of a Symbol" (see The National Geographic Online Store - Peace: The Biography of a Symbol ) which is precisely a history of the peace symbol (great book), which chronicles the birth of the symbol just as it is now known. Of course the book is published by that rabidly communist organization The National Geographic Society, which promotes the dangerous idea that we share this planet. (Share = communist, this planet = people who aren't white*).

Regards immigration, you are right about how dangerous immigrants are. Ever since they began illegally entering this land in 1492 they've been murdering, enslaving and spreading disease in this land. In fact, illegal immigration is so widespread that is has been happening in absolutely every country in the world every decade for 40,000 years since your (and my) ancestors walked out of Africa.

Speak2truth, you seem to be somebody who has pride in your own ability to think independently - don't you resent being manipulated by the ruling class? Do you want the world to be made safe for EXXON at the expense of every other living human except those in the ruling class?

* the notion that there is anybody who is 'white' or 'caucasian' is a rascist delusion. Every people from every region has mixed with their neighbors for 40,000 years, since your (and my) ancestors walked out of Africa. And in the US, the slave holding class put their penises in their property with such regularity that they contributed mightily (though cruelly) to that mixing.

I can't get the FM signal but I'm trying their website for web streaming. I'll listen in.

Hey, go to KPFK.org and check out their icon - an upside-down "peace" sign.

The original peace symbol has the tines upwards, representing a 'pale' or thorn fence. It represents security. Defense. It is a rune called eolchseg (sp?)

The Communists inverted the symbol, so it would mean "vulnerability", then tricked the useful idiots into using it. Some countries, such as Greece, understood the meaning and banned use of the symbol in the inverted position. Communists are good at symbolic programming of the human mind and not enough folks notice what they're doing.

Okay, tuning in at KPFK. We may have things to discuss soon...

[The Computer Wizard]

[quote=Speak2Truth;91603]That Russian knows of what he speaks! [snip] After 8 years of crying about the Bush Administration doing something as timid as tracking potential terrorist phone calls in the US,[snip]

Yeah that's all they did. No cheating (stealing elections) no draft dodging, no stealing everybody's retirement fund, no torture of innocent foreigners, no tracking US Servicemen's personal phone calls (pillow talk) with their spouses, no dismantling the Constitution, no turning the biggest surplus in US history into the biggest deficit in US history, no failing to provide health care for US servicemen returning from Iraq (short list) etc etc.

Nope the Bush administration just stepped up to the plate and did what every administration should have done, that is, interfere in the internal politics of EVERY SINGLE NATION ON EARTH (except for three, which ipso factor defines them as rogue nations) using lethal force (with peripheral damage - translation= civilian deaths) in many instances, for the good old USA (translation = the ruling class = multinational corporations who don't even pay taxes here).

Wow it's a great thing that wacco is getting exposed to the great wisdom and factual information that speak2truth is sharing (oh wait sharing = communism) ok so not sharing but sending down from on high, like the 10 commandments.

Inbreeding is a serious problem in the US.

[Speak2Truth]

There is a book titled "Peace: The Biography of a Symbol" (see The National Geographic Online Store - Peace: The Biography of a Symbol ) which is precisely a history of the peace symbol (great book)

Assuming you've read it - does it show that the inverted symbol is the Germanic Todesrune representing death?

Regards immigration, you are right about how dangerous immigrants are. Ever since they began illegally entering this land in 1492 they've been murdering, enslaving and spreading disease in this land.

LOL!! Well, there's no time like the present to put a stop to it. I guarantee you, MECHA, the Aztlanists, La Raza etc. do not have your best interests at heart. When I attended their gathering in Santa Barbara, they insisted any whites remaining in Aztlan could be "whitesicans" and do the jobs their new masters would not do.

"Por La Raza" - last time the Socialists were so obvious with that slogan they were called the Brownshirts. Today, they're the Brown Berets de Aztlan.

don't you resent being manipulated by the ruling class? Do you want the world to be made safe for EXXON at the expense of every other living human except those in the ruling class?

I would resent that - except that I don't see EXXON as the ruling class. The Morlocks are - the guys who convince us to play class warfare games instead of "love thy neighbor as thyself".

I resent lying charlatans like Michael Gorbachev and Al Gore ripping off the whole world and sinking their claws into our wallets - at gunpoint.

EXXON does not steal anything from me. I buy their product willingly and it has made my life a hundred times better than the lives of folks who lived a hundred years ago.

The Socialists, however, steal mercilessly, ruin lives, destroy prosperity and success, attack anyone who would strive to be free of slavery. At the point of a gun. They mentally manipulate "useful idiots" into BEGGING for a return to the bad ol' days of feudalism, where a ruling class controlled all the wealth, took as much as they wanted from the serfs, leaving the serfs struggling to get by.

Socialists never give anything that is not first seized by force and threat of punishment from someone else.

I resent that. That is wrong.

If you feel that I'm wrong about this, let's discuss it in greater detail. Meanwhile, here I sit working on a laptop computer largely made with Exxon's products. I like it!

* the notion that there is anybody who is 'white' or 'caucasian' is a rascist delusion. Every people from every region has mixed with their neighbors for 40,000 years, since your (and my) ancestors walked out of Africa.

Okay, that's funny! And, I often tell people I am African despite the color of my skin. If they don't believe me, I point out that Science has shown we all came from Africa so let's dispense with all this racial hatred already. I am as African as James Earl Jones.

I think there is a white "race" as far as genetics go. There are specific genes controlling eye, hair and skin color. Blue eyes, for example, did not exist prior to about 10,000 years ago, if the genetic science is correct. And what do you get if a white person mixes with a black person? Not a white person. Is that the point you were trying to make?

It was selective breeding that created the white "race" just as surely as it did the Greyhound.

But I think you miss the mark a bit with the slave owner "class" comment. Forgive me if I misinterpreted but it implies they were white. But, slavery was an African practice imported to the British Colonies by a black African, a former indentured servant who earned his own freedom but would not give it to his dark-skinned brethren. The practice spread slowly and quite a lot of slave owners were black until the Civil War ended the practice. And some of the slaves were white. It did not start out as a purely racial issue.

White slaves, Black slave owners in America
White slaves, Black slave owners in America

Dixie's Censored Subject - Black Slaveowners
Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms

[The Computer Wizard]

esra asks "Is America now a Marxist nation?"

I can now answer that question definitively - YES!

We have socialized roads (we all pay for them, even though some people use them more than others)

We have socialized police.

We have socialized fire departments.

We used to have socialized (public) education until it was systematically dismantled (underfunded) to keep people from learning critical thinking skills (now they just teach how to conform and obey authority). See how well it's working?

We have a socialized military, killing people and subverting democracy worldwide to keep the world safe for EXXON.

Fortunately, health care is the last bastion of red-blooded flag-waving capitalism. No government servants making decisions on your health care here buddy, no sir. Nope. Every decision is made by someone getting paid to make sure their company cuts costs and makes profits, who's bosses job is to make sure their company cuts costs and makes profits, and that boss' job is to make sure their company cuts costs and makes profits, all the way to the top of the some of the wealthiest companies on the planet (who don't pay US taxes). And in every doctor's office in the land (and you have a choice of any of them, as long as your insurance company pre-approves it) at least half of the manpower/labor in the office goes into keeping the insurance company happy. And for every one worker in a doctor's office, there are four workers (paid by the insurance company) whose job it is to make sure their company cuts costs and makes profits. And those four workers make bigger salaries than the doctor and the doctor's office worker combined.

Hooray for the last bastion of capitalism in the US !!

[scorpiomoon]

Corporate Nation. However, community building being a social activity, what do WE want?? Words or Labels do nothing to solve the currency. Pun intended. Marxist pha, humbug. Send in the Poets. Politicos, cleptocrats, and oligarchs--names, mere labels. Wolves crickets pets all strength builders unite for the strength is in KNOWLEDGE
Helpful knowledge. Feeling a pinch of change, wind of change, pump and dump industry for other markets overseas. Should not surprise any plebian peasant of the 21st century, surely it's been on it's way, have we not watched exploitation, war, poverty, drama and disaster enough to know. A quote from X says something about chickens. Just don't play chicken, holler about it YELL!! Lesson there. Let's ALL take this up a notch, elevate it to what it CAN become. Equality of all industry that HELPS and SUSTAINS us all. Food, shelter, gentle subtle living despite the fast buzzing ever grabbing of dollars by us all-- for survival. Of course we are not Marxist. Showing social responsibitlity is not a Marxist crime. Not even a socialist crime. How about lets call it reinvigorated humanism. Too much compost. Must be redirecting resources to positive reaches. Lets gear up to deal with global warming and help each other. Any disparagement of the President, be reminded he reads books. At best, he is studying this pickle we're in, and balancing. I say focus on balance. And when it makes you NUTS!! remember, it's only the business cycle. Teasing of course, we should start by making corporations not PEOPLE anymore, & no profit for WAR. Bingo. It's been years since I attempted to read Marx but he was a bit fruity himself. Thank god!! Thomas Jefferson Thomas Paine Come on fruits of the enlightenment built by slaves. Free us all from tyranny of all forms....

[Speak2Truth]

It appears you are asking for information so let me provide you with some informative reading...

Yeah that's all they did. No cheating (stealing elections)

Correct. Although there were allegations of cheating on both sides, it was Al Gore who clearly tried to steal the election, violating election rules by making up different ballot counting conditions for repeated recounts in a few counties in Florida to try and come up with a win. But the Supreme Court finally stepped in to stop the shenanigans - the law requires all counties to have their ballots counted in the same manner. And this was finally done, showing Bush the winner yet again, as CNN reported.

Florida recount study: Bush still wins
CNN.com - Bush still wins Florida in newspaper recount - April 4, 2001

Judicial Watch Florida Recount with Results and Analysis - Bush would have won election with proper statewide recount
JW Florida Recount with Results and Analysis

no draft dodging

Correct. Bush served as an F-102 Interceptor pilot in the National Guard and volunteered for duty in Vietnam. As I'm sure you know, the National Guard did not get drafted because they were already in the armed services. But, it was determined that the F-102 interceptor was not suitable for the ground-support needs in Vietnam so his squadron was not sent.

Ex-airmen douse rumors over Bush's Guard service - 'Serious' pilot flew in NORAD runs, volunteered for Vietnam combat duty
Ex-airmen douse rumorsover Bush's Guard service

It was actually Bill Clinton who fled the country to avoid the draft and organized anti-US rallies abroad.

Bill Clinton, Draft Dodging & the ROTC
Bill Clinton & the ROTC

no stealing everybody's retirement fund

Huh? To what are you referring?

no torture of innocent foreigners

I don't know about innocent. For sure, Khaleid Sheik Mohammed, planner of the 9/11 attack and many other Al Qaeda operations, was not innocent when he got dunked in water. Sure, it's torture, looks kinda like what this news reporter endured for about 20 minutes before his producer told the guys to stop already.

Video: Waterboarding test on investigative journalist
He lasts 24 minutes before the producer orders a halt
YouTube - Waterboarding Demonstration

But let's consider the morality of dunking Khalid in water given the actual duty of our Government. As our founding documents make clear, their primary function is to defend our lives. To do so, they order Americans to go abroad with guns and bombs and blow off limbs and kill and maim and burn and bomb - and this is considered "okay" in defense of our lives. But, God forbid they should dunk one enemy leader in water to get information to save our lives. Perhaps it would be more moral to shoot the guy instead like our soldiers do every day to our enemies?

Perspective is needed.

no tracking US Servicemen's personal phone calls (pillow talk) with their spouses

Perfectly normal in war. Bear in mind, US Servicemen are under a legal system quite different from ours. And, we've discovered a few working for the enemy already.

no dismantling the Constitution

A vague statement carrying no information.

no turning the biggest surplus in US history into the biggest deficit in US history

There was no surplus. You were lied to.

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

no failing to provide health care for US servicemen returning from Iraq

Are you bothered by the fact that Bush increased medical spending for US veterans?

Bush Approves 'Emergency' Designation For Veterans Health Care Funding
Bush Approves 'Emergency' Designation For Veterans Health Care Funding

Funding for Veterans up 27% under Bush, But Democrats Call It A Cut
FactCheck.org: Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut

Or, maybe by Obama's plan to punish them?

Obama to Bill Combat Wounded for Medical Care
Make their private insurers pay, boosting insurance costs to the veterans
Newsmax.com - Obama to Bill Combat Wounded for Medical Care

Wow it's a great thing that wacco is getting exposed to the great wisdom and factual information that speak2truth is sharing

Yes. I hope you learned something tonight, that perhaps those lines you've memorized are for mentally zephyrous actors like Montfleury. I, Cyrano, shall make the point!

(oh wait sharing = communism)

Ridiculous! Sharing = Christian Generosity. It is only called sharing when an individual gives freely to another.

STEALING = Communism

Communists don't share anything that they haven't first seized from someone at gunpoint.

[Speak2Truth]

esra asks "Is America now a Marxist nation?"

I can now answer that question definitively - YES!

We have socialized roads (we all pay for them, even though some people use them more than others)

We have socialized police.

We have socialized fire departments.

We used to have socialized (public) education until it was systematically dismantled (underfunded) to keep people from learning critical thinking skills

Nope, sorry, none of this is Socialism. A Free State collectively funds basic services too.

The public school system was created by Christian churches - and delivered a far better education with one teacher in a one-room school house than the overfunded bloated union-ruined system we have now.

Plus, back then, they taught the difference between Right and Wrong. People were taught to respect others' property, most especially. "Your stuff is not mine" was common knowledge that has been lost.

But what is Socialism? Let's be clear on this - it is NOT building public roads or hiring police officers...

The short definition is that under Socialism, YOU OWN NOTHING. It is up to your State masters to determine what they want to take from you and the only limitation is their wishes.

We had a Constitutional Republic in which people were free to prosper and to actually own the product of their labor. Under Socialism, your political masters own it. It is Medievalism.


Socialism
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole [Under the control of the political ruling class].
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


Here is a video helping to explain the key difference between our Republic and Socialism - and it has nothing to do with funding for roads and police.

The American Form of Government - Comparison of types of government
https://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm