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    Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

    Hey Everybody,

    I don't understand why there's not a lot of noise around Bernie Sanders. I think it's pretty clear that if we don't gather a huge momentum behind one candidate we will end up with Biden. That appears to be the game plan and all this waiting around and indecisiveness, in my opinion, is playing right into their hands. Remember if no one gets 50% on the first ballot at the convention the super delegates kick in. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have 22 candidates.

    One might suggest that Bernie Sanders is not their choice or not the right choice. That's fair. If you don't want Single-Payer Health Care, the Green New Deal, Tuition Free College, Reduced Military Spending, in short, if you're not interested in bringing the bottom up then I guess Sanders is not the right choice. But I will say this, he is the only person in the ring that has a long history of fighting for environmental and economic justice. He is the reason these issues are being given serious consideration and media attention.

    We have no time to waste. The Democratic Party Establishment is actively working very hard and turning up the heat to stop this movement. If you're not sure about that just look at the DCCC's new rules. It's an anti-democratic effort to stop potential new leaders like AOC from running against party line incumbents. The DNC is currently engaged in private meetings trying to figure out how to stop Sanders. By the way, Buttigieg is a part of those gatherings along with Schumer, Pelosi and McAuliffie. The Democratic Party Establishment is not afraid that Sanders will lose against Trump, they are scared to death that he will win.

    If we are truly ready for Our Revolution, why not support the guy who wrote the book.
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

    Once again, Rustie has the important insight. The Dem Old Guard -- Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and all the largely faceless political operatives who run the machinery -- would rather Trump get reelected than have Bernie win and threaten their power and their portions of the money flow. Even MSNBC has been showing phony polls -- either only polling people over 49 or only those with landlines or only in very small numbers, potential voters selected precisely so Biden will come out on top -- or simply lying outright about poll results. (Evidence of these lies is readily visible via a casual scan of Twitter.) In 2016, the California primary was late enough in the year that it was reasonable to think that it wouldn't matter. Next year it's March 3rd, so it may matter quite a bit. Like many people, I held my nose and registered as a Democrat because #Bernie2020. You might want to do the same.


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    Hey Everybody,
    I don't understand why there's not a lot of noise around Bernie Sanders. ... The DNC is currently engaged in private meetings trying to figure out how to stop Sanders. By the way, Buttigieg is a part of those gatherings along with Schumer, Pelosi and McAuliffie. The Democratic Party Establishment is not afraid that Sanders will lose against Trump, they are scared to death that he will win. / If we are truly ready for Our Revolution, why not support the guy who wrote the book.
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

    Bernie doesn't have a chance at grabbing the golden ring. DNC won't allow it. Also, he's not the media darling that he used to be.


    CNN Caught Blocking Bernie Supporters From Camera
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDcjOaAR3Sk&t=231s
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

    Bernie never was the "media darling." The media was actively trying to knee-cap him. trump was (and still is) the media darling.
    Quote cyberanvil wrote: View Post
    Bernie doesn't have a chance at grabbing the golden ring. DNC won't allow it.
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

    Very interesting peek behind the curtain! Thanks for posting this interview.

    Quote cyberanvil wrote: View Post
    Bernie doesn't have a chance at grabbing the golden ring. DNC won't allow it. Also, he's not the media darling that he used to be.


    CNN Caught Blocking Bernie Supporters From Camera
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDcjOaAR3Sk&t=231s
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

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    Bernie doesn't have a chance at grabbing the golden ring. DNC won't allow it. Also, he's not the media darling that he used to be.
    I don't recall Bernie ever having media darling status. Despite that, I do agree that the DNC will do all it can to prevent a Sanders Administration. That includes lie, cheat and steal as well as deliver us four more years of Trump, if that's the only other option. That should be enough of a wake up call to all of us that we are way past time for a political revolution. But instead we simply embrace the talking point as an acceptable reality, hold our nose and vote for the anybody in blue person.

    While the DNC and the GOP are doing everything possible to guarantee that Democracy never breaks out in America, at the end of the day we the people are ultimately responsible. To accept a corrupt paradigm without resistance is to be complicit in the corruption.

    As Sanders says, we can do this with an unprecedented grassroots movement that unequivocally sends the message; we will have social, economic and environmental justice. No half measures, no capitulation. The time is now for a nation of social equity, equality and opportunity, by the people and for the people, rather than wealth-driven capitalism with an elite 1% ruling class running and ruining our country.

    This is not a partisan vision, it's about a true Democracy where the common people, red, blue and purple, are considered the primary source of political power. If this vision best represents you, as in anyone voting, then join the movement.


    In my opinion Bernie does have a chance at grabbing the golden ring, but it's going to take all of us, willing to step up and not be fooled again. Win or lose, the question is; will you be among those fighting for an outbreak of Democracy?
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

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    Hey Everybody,

    One might suggest that Bernie Sanders is not their choice or not the right choice. That's fair. If you don't want Single-Payer Health Care, the Green New Deal, Tuition Free College, Reduced Military Spending, in short, if you're not interested in bringing the bottom up then I guess Sanders is not the right choice. But I will say this, he is the only person in the ring that has a long history of fighting for environmental and economic justice...
    Old Socialists don't fade away, they just get more persistent. Warren is Bernie lite, much more acceptable to the citizenry.

    Bottom line --- Only 2 Democrats have a chance at grabbing the golden ring.
    Warren or Harris.
    Anyone notice how these DIMM wannabe’s are acting like the Donner Party? I always bring popcorn. Ha ha
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

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    Old Socialists don't fade away, they just get more persistent. Warren is Bernie lite, much more acceptable to the citizenry.

    Bottom line --- Only 2 Democrats have a chance at grabbing the golden ring.
    Warren or Harris.
    Persistence is not a quality limited to a singular political philosophy. As you have clearly demonstrated, old right wing Republicans, or Libertarians, or any other political ideology you associate yourself with, can also be persistent and never fade away. It's a common thread of humanity, particularly associated with politics, religion and social conditions.

    Persistence in the face of adversarial conditions is the quality that has enabled leaders of movements like the Suffragettes and Civil Rights to steadfastly pursue ideals of equality and justice in our society. Unfortunately not all who persist do so for the betterment of humanity and environment. I think it fair to say that the persistence of the greedy, self-serving corporatist capitalist agenda is at the root of our current disproportionate wealth distribution and environmental devastation.

    Nonetheless, nobody's fading away. Like it or not, Bernie Sanders and his persistent vision of social equity, bringing the bottom up, redistribution of wealth, governance by the people, environmental responsibility and justice and equality for all people, that vision, the philosophies of “Socialism” that you seem to find so offensive, it's not fading. In fact, it's gaining vitality. Currently over 40% of Americans feel that Socialism would be good for our society. Around 70% of Democrats view some form of Socialism favorably and in the under 30 age demographic, the acceptance rate goes up to over 80%.

    As the American dream becomes more and more elusive people are growing tired of struggling to survive with no apparent light at the end of the tunnel. With our wealth-driven capitalist system so egregiously out of balance the masses are realizing that it's time to reconsider our socioeconomic and political structure. I suspect that this is why Bernie is so popular. Case in point, his proposals are now mainstream talking points and many of the 2020 candidates are trying hard to sound like him.

    I agree with your analysis that Warren is Sanders lite but I'm not so sure that makes her more acceptable. Possibly for some, but I think for many it's a straight up gender issue. They want the progressive Sanders' policies but they want it packaged in a woman. Then there are those leaning toward Warren because they believe that people don't want another 77 year old white man and therefore she is more electable. As though a 70 year old white woman will have some greater appeal to the general population..... I don't think so.

    Having compared their positions on various issues it appears to me that Warren is basically a copy of Sanders with some serious flaws that have not gone unnoticed. For instance her position on the military and her market based climate plan are just a couple of examples.

    Personally I don't agree with your opinion that only Warren & Harris have a shot at the golden ring. In fact quite the opposite. Polls are currently showing that both Biden and Sanders would soundly defeat Trump by 8 points. Warren polls at only 2 points ahead of Trump and Harris by only 1 point. Even polls by Fox News show Biden and Sanders both beating Trump with considerable margins while Warren and Harris are at minus 1. By the way for those interested, Buttigieg is a consistent loss at minus 2. Maybe that's who you want to be pushing in efforts to secure a Trump victory.....
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

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    I think it fair to say that the persistence of the greedy, self-serving corporatist capitalist agenda is at the root of our current disproportionate wealth distribution and environmental devastation.
    Nonetheless, nobody's fading away. Like it or not, Bernie Sanders and his persistent vision of social equity, bringing the bottom up, redistribution of wealth, governance by the people, environmental responsibility and justice and equality for all people, that vision, the philosophies of “Socialism” that you seem to find so offensive, it's not fading. In fact, it's gaining vitality. Currently over 40% of Americans feel that Socialism would be good for our society. Around 70% of Democrats view some form of Socialism favorably and in the under 30 age demographic, the acceptance rate goes up to over 80%.

    Caveat -- “"Would some form of Socialism be a good”. Some form is not necessarily Bernie form. The citizens are swayed by the promise, but uninformed of the consequences.

    As the American dream becomes more and more elusive people are growing tired of struggling to survive with no apparent light at the end of the tunnel.

    The dream is more possible than ever for those who strive.

    With our wealth-driven capitalist system so egregiously out of balance the masses are realizing that it's time to reconsider our socioeconomic and political structure. I suspect that this is why Bernie is so popular.

    Bernie is sinking. Warren is beating him. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ination_polls/
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

    I bitterly disagree with this post!

    It takes 22,222,222 Democrats to change a light bulb. And then when they finally get together to do it, they can't because there are too many of them fumbling all over each other. So it's a lost cause.

    If you want *real* change, without corruption, vote for Sanders or Warren. DeBlasio is another good pick for POTUS. Kamala Harris is my last choice. After these four, I will only vote for the Democratic candidate so as to not have another 4 years of Trump's Fascism in this country.
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    Re: Does it take 22 Democrats to change a light bulb?

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    If you want *real* change, without corruption, vote for Sanders or Warren. DeBlasio is another good pick for POTUS. Kamala Harris is my last choice. After these four, I will only vote for the Democratic candidate so as to not have another 4 years of Trump's Fascism in this country.
    How fascist is Donald Trump? There’s actually a formula for that. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...?noredirect=on

    Bill de Blasio polling at 0%
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...020-candidates
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