The article from The Nation has a place to click to hear a streaming audio of the John Batchelor Show interview of Stephen Cohen as is mentioned below. The URL for that article is:
https://www.thenation.com/blog/17950...r-where-debate


“It is one hand—the hand of war—clapping,” said Nation contributing editor and Russia historian Stephen Cohen during an appearance on the John Batchelor Show (Tuesday April 22 2014)
With US troops headed to the Baltic states, Cold War rhetoric spewing from the mouths of US officials, and Obama effectively abandoning Vladimir Putin as a negotiating partner, Cohen suggests that a prolonged Cold War–style conflict between Russia and the West is all but inevitable.
And if this new Cold War turns hot, says Cohen, American journalists and our “spineless” political class are partially to blame.


The absence of a substantive debate—in the media or Congress—over the prudence of the administration’s Russia policy, Cohen said, “is a crushing defeat for democracy.” He added, “I don’t understand how these people are going to explain themselves to history.”
—Sam Adler-Bell