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The PAC that is pro-CVS/Chase and plans to support Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin is called Sustainable Sebastopol. I believe it has been discussed previously in this thread as a perfect example of greenwashing.
I hope to see an apology on this thread from the poster of the personal attack below. The fact that a PAC has been formed to help Armstrong/CVS/Shaffer/Austin has been common knowledge for a few weeks now. It is easy to jump to conclusions and speak hastily when filled with passion, but I hope you will acknowledge your error now that is clear that Shepherd's information was not "hogwash" and that he is doing a service to his community, not a "disservice" spreading "unfounded innuendos and hysteria".
Tim
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This smacks of a lack of foundation for anything that approaches professional journalism. You’re nothing like a reporter; at best you're an editorialist with a very limited agenda. You're baiting the public into thinking that someone might do something at sometime in the future but have offered no proof.
If you really had this information you could at least offer the name of the PAC that is involved with the Sebastopol City Council election. The PACs name is public information and doesn't involve naming sources. PACs are publically registered with a secretary, treasurer, addresses, etc. Who is this PAC that has infected our town?
If you can't even name that then I believe this is all hogwash and you do a disservice to my community with your unfounded innuendos and hysteria.
Peacetown Howie
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Regarding Community Market's "non-profit" status:
https://srcommunitymarket.com/about.html
https://srcommunitymarket.com/missionstatement.html
https://srcommunitymarket.com/businessmodel.html
https://srcommunitymarket.com/storehistory.html
They are not technically a non-profit in the legal sense. "Any profit is directed back to the community in the form of donations, discounts and services."
They are not a consumer co-op. They are not worker owned.
They are a great place and community resource. They are worker managed, sort of. They are unique. And they will be a welcome addition to Sebastopol. I hope!
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Posted in reply to the post by Occupy Tim:
The PAC that is pro-CVS/Chase and plans to support Kathleen Shaffer and Kathy Austin is called Sustainable Sebastopol. I believe it has been discussed previously in this thread as a perfect example of greenwashing.
While "Sustainable Sebastopol" is a political (greenwashing) group, it doesn't apear that they are a legal "PAC", but I don't know for sure.
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I hope to see an apology on this thread from the poster of the personal attack below.
Peacetown Howie, would you care to restate your possibly correct challenge of Shepherd's assertion? :waccosun:
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While "Sustainable Sebastopol" is a political (greenwashing) group, it doesn't apear that they are a legal "PAC", but I don't know for sure.
Or maybe they are a PAC and Shepherd is correct! See:
https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campai...spx?id=1349633 (thanks to Marty/Scamperwillow how provided the link above on this thread).
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They are indeed a pac. Wouldn't have said so if they weren't. Also, this is no secret. One of their board members got up at the last seb c.c. meeting and said that they had formed a pac named "sustainable sebastopol". . The evidence of this can be found on multiple posts in this thread.
Tim
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Barry - you should read the thread before posting. :wink: I posted a link directly to their registration with the Secretary of State as a PAC.
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While "Sustainable Sebastopol" is a political (greenwashing) group, it doesn't apear that they are a legal "PAC", but I don't know for sure.
Peacetown Howie, would you care to restate your possibly correct challenge of Shepherd's assertion? :waccosun:
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The blog on Sustainable Sebastopol's website accepts comments, so I'm sure they welcome contributions.
https://www.sustainablesebastopol.org/our-blog.html
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Of course there is (are) a PAC (PACs). They said so in public, as OT stated. This is not a secret, nor is it news.
See recent list for Sebastopol: https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Misc/f...RCH=sebastopol
Anyone can google this, no?
The question asked was what evidence there is for the allegation that CVS or Chase are funding them or anyone else around here?
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They are indeed a pac. Wouldn't have said so if they weren't. Also, this is no secret. One of their board members got up at the last seb c.c. meeting and said that they had formed a pac named "sustainable sebastopol". . The evidence of this can be found on multiple posts in this thread.
Tim
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BLECK. A troll that joined today.
IGNORE. Not worth time.
SHEPHERD, TIM, SWAMPWILLOW... Thanks for your contributions on the topic!
I am more than satisfied by the plentiful evidence of self-serving behavior.
Feeding trolls and self-serving interests does not help our community.
Let's stay focused on solutions.
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Of course there is (are) a PAC (PACs). They said so in public, as OT stated. This is not a secret, nor is it news.
See recent list for Sebastopol:
https://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Misc/f...RCH=sebastopol
Anyone can google this, no?
The question asked was what
evidence there is for the allegation that CVS or Chase are funding them or anyone else around here?
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Changing the topic from un-productive conversation with little value added, check out this related thread:
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...791#post156791
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BLECK. A troll that joined today.
IGNORE. Not worth time.....
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Re: a non-profit is different than a not-for-profit. absolutely!
ahhh!
please don't misquote me, my friend. my words were not-for-profit. i never said that santa rosa community market is a non-profit!
there is a HUGE technical difference between the two!
the argument is that they are a local, sonoma county business...selling healthy organics for 35 years...and will be right here. a true LOCAL BUSINESS. not coming into our "village" while operating from texas or rhode island. again, and the argument about chase vs WF vs CVS is???? .
thanks!
L
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Re: a non-profit is different than a not-for-profit. absolutely!
At first I felt like this was a question that wouldn't help the conversation, but I decided to consider it a bit.
While I agree that non-local business of any kind isn't great... I didn't see the value of bringing up something we can't change, however there are 2 historical contexts to consider.
Whole Foods use to be called SaferWay as spoof on Safeway and came from humble origins with a good idea in 1984 when there was a real lack of stores like Whole Foods... especially in Texas.
That was 28 years ago... When they came to Sebastopol I'm not sure, but it is true that they are in a bad location. That probably wasn't as much of an issue then as it is now and will continue to be.
We really do need to be forward thinking about our city planning NOW to avoid making mistakes we will regret in the future.
PS. I don't shop at Whole Foods... I am a raw foodist and most grocery stores just simply don't serve me. I only go there an occasional packaged item that a local grocer can't provide or an off-season item... and a rare meal on the go. They are a SaferWay (lol!) but not the best way!!
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ahhh!
please don't misquote me, my friend. my words were not-for-profit. i never said that santa rosa community market is a non-profit!
there is a HUGE technical difference between the two!
the argument is that they are a local, sonoma county business...selling healthy organics for 35 years...and will be right here. a true LOCAL BUSINESS. not coming into our "village" while operating from texas or rhode island. again, and the argument about chase vs WF vs CVS is???? .
thanks!
L
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You also conceal your identity and joined only recently.
I only ask what is the 'plentiful evidence'?
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Flabbergasted & La.Sereniti: Please add your full real names to your profiles by going here
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Jonathan Greenberg just called to inform me that the new Sebastopol City Council has just passed an "urgent" ordinance (that goes into effect immediately) to prevent any new building permits being issued for drive-throughs. This effectively kills the CVS/Chase project!
I'll post the PD article tomorrow and I hope some of you will chime in with your thoughts. :waccosun:
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Halleleujah!!!!!! :heart:
Rev. BE
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Jonathan Greenberg just called to inform me that the new Sebastopol City Council has just passed an "urgent" ordinance (that goes into effect immediately) to prevent any new building permits being issued for drive-throughs. This effectively kills the CVS/Chase project!
I'll post the PD article tomorrow and I hope some of you will chime in with your thoughts. :waccosun:
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We needed some real good news badly. Thanks be to the powers who have listened to the people and have acted accordingly. My admiration for and respects to those who fought this battle for so long and so well.
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Jonathan Greenberg just called to inform me that the new Sebastopol City Council has just passed an "urgent" ordinance (that goes into effect immediately) to prevent any new building permits being issued for drive-throughs. This effectively kills the CVS/Chase project!
I'll post the PD article tomorrow and I hope some of you will chime in with your thoughts. :waccosun:
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Mighty good news, this... Big thanks to all who made this happen.
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Posted in reply to the post by Barry:
Jonathan Greenberg just called to inform me that the new Sebastopol City Council has just passed an "urgent" ordinance (that goes into effect immediately) to prevent any new building permits being issued for drive-throughs. This effectively kills the CVS/Chase project!
I'll post the PD article tomorrow and I hope some of you will chime in with your thoughts. :waccosun:
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Jonathan Greenberg did a nice write up tonight's historic City Council meeting here.
Please click Gratitude on his post to show your support and subscribe to that thread for which will anchor the next phase of our discussion of this protracted battle. :waccosun:
I'm going to close this thread now.
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UPDATE on the CVS PROJECT
The CVS project was approved with conditions before last year's election. After the new council was seated they passed a moratorium on new drive-thrus downtown. CVS then sued the city.
CVS has now responded to the conditions, apparently satisfactorily, including adding the door kitty-corner to Mimi's. The council will review their responses at the July 16 meeting (including a public hearing). The project can not go forward as designed while the drive-thru is incorporated in the project (which it still is) as long as the moratorium is in place, which expires at the end of October this year.
For more info, see the staff report here and the July 16th agenda here.
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So America's 18th largest corporation, CVS, and its frequent partner, America's largest bank, Chase, have sued our small town. They want to control our downtown and suck our dollars out of our county. Other big boxes would be likely to follow, especially next door at the former lumber yard, now tractor store. Appleby's Restaurant has apparently already expressed its interest in own downtown.
Next Tuesday's City Council meeting at the Youth Annex would be important to attend and speak up. From looking at the agenda, it is not clear if the CVS items #8 is a public hearing. If not, people can speak for up to 3 minutes at the beginning of the meeting, or when it is on the agenda.
Do you want the CVS drug-dealers and Chase banksters to control our small town, or would you prefer that the people rule? CVS plans to be open 24 hours a day, selling alcohol and drugs, and have a drive-thru, thus worsening traffic and damaging our downtown.
With wine baron criminal Paul Hobbs expanding his poisonous empire on Watertrough Rd. in the Sebastopol countryside next to schools with 700 students, we are likely to further attract the super-rich to this "Wine Country," where they will destroy our Redwood Empire.
Come and speak up, or at least listen, July 16, Tuesday. Support our courageous City Council to speak truth to power.
Shepherd
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The Pellini building has just "been tagged" and CVS must now correct the deteriorated conditions caused by their neglect. CVS had applied for a demolition permit some months ago and was informed no permit would be issued until resolution of the CVS lawsuit against the City regarding the moratorium on drive thrus. The City Council has until mid-October to either let the moratorium expire or to issue a permanent ban on drive thrus. The CVS suit against the City has been moved from State Superior Court to Federal Superior Court.
CVS has now been informed that they must comply with the City's recently approved ordinance requiring solar installations on new commercial buildings .
In a separate action, the process for resolving the suit by Committee for Small Town Sebastopol has, at request of CVS, been extended 12 times since its filing in August, 2011. Currently the Administrative Record on this suit is due on July 23, and final brief by November 8, 2013. Small Town's suit claimed that the traffic study on which the Mitigated Negative Declaration was issued in July, 2011, was inadequate because The Barlow was not included in the study, nor was any traffic beyond High St. to the west of the site.
In a separate matter, CalTrans has yet to receive from CVS a completed application for an encroachment permit to access the site from State Highways 116 and 12.
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thanks for all this info, Helen ... so where does this leave us, and with what action pending? I think it unconscionable that the existing bottleneck on hwy 12 from Llano Road to the Barlow and beyond has not even been mentioned in any of the traffic studies or environmental reports I've seen...
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The Pellini building has just "been tagged"...
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Only the graffitti - "tagging" must be removed. The building and site have not been "red-tagged". Sorry for the misinformation. Helen Shane
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FROM SEBASTOPOL TOMORROW:
Been wondering how you can help Stop CVS?
The Barlow, as it grows, will continue to attract locals and visitors who will be enticed to visit our local merchants to shop and dine. This will increase revenues for business and sales taxes for the City. If there is gridlock at the crossroads, visitors will be discouraged and neither the business people nor the City will benefit.
By law, CVS needs CalTrans’ permission to enter/exit from their site (north side Highway 12) onto the two State Highways, 116 (Petaluma Ave) and 12 (Sebastopol Road).CVS has proposed an emergency-vehicle-access-only driveway on 116, and a right turn only out of the site onto Highway 12, but left turns into the site from Highway 12 west.
Left turns into CVS from Hwy 12 would further impede the already vexingly slow traffic on the congested Highway 12 west entrance to town. It would aggravate the already frustratingly slow flow of traffic across Main St. on Highway 12 heading east.
This is bad for business. It’s an unpleasant and unnecessary deterioration of Sebastopol life.
If you agree with this assessment and believe that CalTrans should not grant the encroachment permit to allow such turns from Highway 12, let your Sebastopol Councilperson know, and tell CalTrans they should NOT approve the encroachment permit.
Tell them that the traffic now is already agonizingly slow in the mornings and particularly in the afternoons. Unless we bring CVS to a halt, the CVS plan will bring the 12/116 artery to a halt. Does the town benefit? Whom does CVS serve?
Write CalTrans:
Email: [email protected]
and
Send copies to:
Mayor Michael Kyes [email protected]
Vice Mayor Robert Jacob [email protected]
Councilmember: Sarah Gurney [email protected]
John Eder [email protected]
Patrick Slayter [email protected]
Larry McLaughlin [email protected]
Mary Gourley [email protected]
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CVS wants to build a store at the intersection of two State Highways, with access across lanes of two way traffic. It would bring gridlock to our small downtown. CVS also insists on drive thrus that will further increase stacking of cars on our busiest streets.
That's why I created a petition to Larry Merlo, CEO CVS/Caremark.
Will you sign this petition? Click here:
https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/te...mt&r_by=487455
Thanks!
Helen Shane
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Done! Thank you, Helen.
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Thanks, Helen. I've signed and posted it to Facebook.
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