Some Pictures of Hobbs's Takeover of the Jenkel Property

Today, I posted two emails to Whole Foods/Sebastopol and Whole Foods/Corporate. (Go to their Website to do email)

Unfortunately, WF/Sebastopol carries two wine products by the infamous Paul Hobbs. WF professes high corporate values, believes in "fair trade" etc. which was my subject when I asked them to STOP selling Paul Hobbs products.
I included the great article by Bruce Robinson KRCB/TV news, which was also printed in the Bohemian.

If others find Paul Hobbs products sold at other stores, please notify this list, and maybe all those interested in Boycotting Paul Hobbs products can do emails to the store...

There are wine tastings at Paul Hobbs winery, advertised on his website, but they are $35. and need a reservation.
Personally, I wouldn't pay that money to him...how about a peaceful, colorful, permitted demonstration outside his winery?
Our community needs to react in a concerted manner against the Paul Hobbs greed factor...Don't let this outrage quietly die of neglect.

[Here's the latest PD article about Paul Hobbs abuse of his neighbor and the environment, complete with a misspelled reference to the discussion here on "WaccooBB.net" - Barry]


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Outcry over clear-cutting
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John Jenkel, right, kisses the hand of Al Mathers, who pulled her truck over to express her sorrow at seeing the trees removed from the land previously owned by Jenkel along Gravenstein Highway, near Graton, on Thursday, May 26, 2011. Paul Hobbs acquired the property, previously owned by Jenkel, in a civil dispute.


By PAUL PAYNE
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT


Published: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 at 3:58 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 at 3:58 a.m.

A long-running land battle between a winemaker and his irksome neighbor has escalated into Sebastopol-area ire over the clear-cutting of eight acres along Gravenstein Highway.

The neighbor, political gadfly John Jenkel, said that within days of an auction in which part of his ranch was sold to Paul Hobbs Winery to satisfy part of a $350,000 judgment, Hobbs dispatched tree-cutters and heavy equipment operators to prepare the land for grapes.

What was once a scenic horse pasture lined with redwoods planted by his sons more than 30 years ago was stripped of all natural beauty, Jenkel said.

"It's a desecration," said Jenkel, 72, as he watched a bright yellow skip-loader rumble between piles of debris last week.

He's not the only one upset. Locals are fuming about the denuded property, which Hobbs obtained for a fraction of its assessed value in three sheriff's auctions. It is highly visible on the road from Graton to Forestville.

Some honked or yelled epithets out their car windows as they drove by. Even people who said they disagree with Jenkel's in-your-face style found themselves sympathizing with the eccentric man.

"This is breaking my heart," said Sebastopol pig farmer Al Mathers, who stopped her pickup on the side of the road to talk to Jenkel. "It's nothing but meanness. This is rape."

Others faulted the legal system. At the Willow Wood Market in Graton, barista Kelly Siemon questioned how a judge could allow it to happen.

"The whole thing just seems so wrong," Siemon said.

Hobbs, who founded his winery in 1991, said he didn't relish the idea of removing trees but defended it as necessary for planting a pinot noir vineyard.

He acquired the land for a combined $61,000 after years of frustrating legal action against Jenkel for destroying a stand of fir with excessive runoff. Hundreds of thousands of dollars more was spent on cleanup and paying off old liens, Hobbs said.

He said he obtained necessary county permits before beginning the work and has planted dozens of new trees to replace old ones.

He denied taking advantage of Jenkel, saying he would transform a "junkyard" littered with abandoned cars and ramshackle buildings into a community asset.

"None of this would have happened if he hadn't killed our trees," Hobbs said. "One of the trees fell on our winery. It was not a minor thing. We went through a lot of trouble with our neighbor."

In a 2009 ruling, Judge Dean Beaupre agreed, calling Jenkel "unrepentant" after illegally dumping water on Hobbs' grove. He accused Jenkel of making false claims and wasting court time. Another judge awarded damages, which Jenkel refused to pay.

"His actions have been a nightmare for the Hobbs Winery," Beaupre wrote.

But Jenkel supporters said his behavior doesn't justify what happened. A local web site buzzed with the developments. Subscribers of WaccooBB.net [Oy! - Barry] posted pictures of downed timber and urged people to call elected officials to do something about it.

Some labeled Jenkel's plight elder financial abuse or railed about the emerging monoculture of vineyards. Others pressed for a boycott of Hobbs' wine.

"Words cannot express my outrage at this typical vineyard tactic," one online poster said. "The beginning salvo: chop everything down."

Supervisor Efren Carrillo, whose 5th district includes the west county area, said he's received from 20 to 30 calls or emails about the clearing, which is permissible because the land is zoned for agriculture.

However, Carrillo said the destruction of trees was "ill-advised" and could have been handled differently by moving some of them. He said the project, coupled with Hobbs' separate timber-clearing operation in Pocket Canyon, shows disregard for "a good working relationship" with local officials.

"When you combine both projects, it does not demonstrate good will in the community," Carrillo said.

Meanwhile, Jenkel is clinging to his remaining seven acres, despite still owing Hobbs more than $300,000. He vowed court action to set aside the initial judgment.

But whether that could happen is unclear. He said he won't hire a lawyer because he doesn't trust them.

"I want my land back," Jenkel said.

You can reach Staff Writer Paul Payne at 568-5312 or [email protected].

This is Joan here...Just wanted to 'highlight" this very interesting post, copied below, so it might get more review.

Using the legal system seems to me, to be a very powerful tool. It would take the time and energy of a group to get legal action going. I am not a lawyer. There are lawyers of integrity like "Tony Serra". now elderly. Maybe there are civic organizations who would take this on...or law students...or??/

Below is a copy of an interesting post that I hope will get more attention:

"It is unlikely any third party bystander would have standing to pursue Jenkel's case on Jenkel's behalf, as long as Jenkel is judged competent, and he declines to pursue the case himself, or insists on representing himself.

A person or group who can show it has its own concrete stake in the outcome of the Hobbs/Jenkel litigation could seek intervenor status with the court, with regard to their own actual interests.

Another option would be for a person or group to sue Hobbs directly seeking an injunction prohibiting Hobbs from any action which harms their own interests or had demonstrable, significant, detrimental public policy implications for them.

There is also a California Statute (Bus. & Professions Code section 17200) which allows any member of the public to challenge an illegal or harmful business practice of any person or company. The plaintiff would need to demonstrate that s/he/it would be harmed by the perpetrator's being allowed to gain an improper competitive advantage over others operating in the same line of business who are abiding by prevailing, recognized standards of business practices.

Some person or group could sue any public agency on the theory that its handling of the situation was contrary to law."

Thanks Wacco's for all your efforts towards ending injustice.

Jenkel will be on the Channel 2 news tonight, and KRSO morning news just after 8:30 am this Wed.

I sent the following to the Sonoma County Water Coalition. I invite you all to get to know the work of this group better, and perhaps join them:

https://www.scwatercoalition.org/

:fishy:

Hello SCWC,

1) Please put weather modification/GeoEngineering on your next regular agenda.

2) As the concerned community member I have always been; I am asking SCWC to do what John Jenkel has not done; that is, find out who the partners of Paul Hobbs LLC and Corp are. Will the SCWC please pay for this Dun & Bradstreet report?

I have been told by a Lobbyist in the industry, they are connected to Gallo.

Jenkel's well was pumping sand when Hobbs' well went in 250 feet away years ago; now it is dry and he has to truck water in.

Imagine the irony of that; because Hobb's won this bogus suit on a lie that Jenkel's well leaking a bit in the rainy season is why a tree fell on their place, and the whole stand of 60, 150 year old fir trees had to be logged, at his expense plus legal fees.

But that is not even the same lie that the judge in the case, misunderstood to be caused by waste water, not well water as Hobbs claimed. John has the court transcript to prove the judge's mistake; they never let Jenkel be heard on the matter at all to provide the evidence.

Remember I told you Hobbs got fined about 80 grand for permit etc. violations on this property after a closed door BOS meeting maybe 6 months ago; PLEASE find out why. I know you have sources.

As for standing in a suit; everyone in that watershed has standing; there is you, the Graton CSD who want to sell treated waste water, and several other: watershed, green living, community groups and non-profits, there are also several hundred well owners which will feel the effects of a depletion in the groundwater. Groundwater as a public trust, if anyone can do it, it should be Graton.

It's not just just Hobbs who are responsible for this, but the authorities which are permitting such use without a proper groundwater survey beforehand.

Also, where was the EIR, and other ducks in a row before the 116 land rape, they just looked real quick while the "permits" were fast tracked? Who let this site get fast tracked? How much did Hobbs help Efren get elected?

The horses and light residential use on his property before, was much easier on the land than grapes. The BOS and other "overseers", have made legal land rape, by valuing the "highest and best use" for land as wine grapes, over sustainability of many species habitat, everyone's scenic views and water supply.

Jenkel and my attorney friend from southern Cal, have survived a 2nd meeting. Her background is in criminal, Jenkel and I are both not criminals. But at least, she has him listening to separating his local issues from the other ones.

With the threats to our well being if the current defense authorization bill is passed being so time sensitive; I can't help both fronts well. I wish you all would finally step forward, not just in the Pocket Canyon violations.

AGV Watershed Group, Graton Community Projects, Graton Green Group, Graton CSD, etc. - protect your watershed along the scenic 116; add this to the Best project, etc. You have standing, take a stand. How much more sediment will be washed into your streams, along with the long list of damaging chemicals, and estimate how much of your groundwater is exported out the local recharge area, how many of the wildlife will no longer have a home in the trees which were so brutally killed?

For the record, I have continually advised Jenkel to protect the watershed too. He could use the community's help, not scorn. If he does not get out of another injustice put upon him by the misconduct of the sheriff, animal control, and judges Nadler and Schaffer, he will have to do about 80 hours of community service for the dead horse case. I invite your groups to create a plan to help him help the watershed.

You have no idea what he has gone through to save the trees. You looked the other way before they were cut. Stand up now please.

3) Call for a time of use ordinance for irrigation for counties and cities - ever since Sonoma County re-did their landscape to conserve water around the Admin center, they have been irrigating during peak evaporation times, such as noon. They also come on in the rain. The Dutton's can deplete Graton's groundwater when they irrigate their apples at noon on a heat wave day. Cal Am water had just such an ordinance, the model has been written.

Thanks for your help and understanding,

Colleen Fernald

To all the people crying rape, There was a simple solution,

The property was sold at auction, cheap. You should have bought it.
At the very least you could have made hobbs pay more for it.

So unless you can prove you where there bidding on the property, you don't have much right to be whining

Hi, Robert. Please stop whining at our whining. It will only make us whine more.

Yours for creative whining,

Roland

i thought about it, but then thought better. besides, i read in the pd hobbs was prepared to go to 300k. i guess jenkel would owe hobbs less if someone else bid.

i hope when my tree falls on my house i can sue my neighbor and win. probably could if it was jenkel!

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Posted in reply to the post by Robert M:

To all the people crying rape, There was a simple solution,

The property was sold at auction, cheap. You should have bought it.
At the very least you could have made hobbs pay more for it.

So unless you can prove you where there bidding on the property, you don't have much right to be whining

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I'm curious as to why no Environmental Impact Report was required on Jenkel's property. Does anyone know the reasons? Also, does anyone know if an EIR has been required on the Pocket Canyon parcel that Hobbs is converting over to vineyards?

Here's the link on EIR requirements.


https://www.dfg.ca.gov/habcon/ceqa/i...roced/eir.html

John Jenkel and Paul Hobbs both called-in to KSRO this morning to give their perspectives on the response to the clear cutting of the property on Gravenstein Highway. Both had more to say than the original topic. The links below should take you to the archived interviews.

NEWSTALK 1350 KSRO Interview with John Jenkel on Gravenstein Highway Property Clear Cutting; June 01,2011

NEWSTALK 1350 KSRO Interview with Paul Hobbs on Gravenstein Highway Property Clear Cutting; June 01, 2011

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Posted in reply to the post by Robert M:

The property was sold at auction, cheap. You should have bought it.
At the very least you could have made hobbs pay more for it.
So unless you can prove you where there bidding on the property, you don't have much right to be whining

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I thought I read somewhere in this long thread that by the time the "auction" was open to the public by 10 AM it was a done deal. I cannot find the info on that now. Perhaps it was in an earlier missive by Peace Voyager telling us what happened there? I'd like to see it again.
And I would just love fair warning from anyone next time I can bid $1,000 (or $10,000*) on a great chunk of land. (Not that I would want to be swindling anyone.) I will be there.
* Heck, I could put that on my credit card.

We live in a "Right to Farm" county. The way that this is interpreted in Sonoma County is that ag. (vineyards) are exempt from many of the rules that others must follow. With the exceptions of timberland and valley oaks and steep slopes, a landowner may clear as much as he or she wants in order to plant vines. The Sonoma County Tree Ordinance does not apply to ag., except in relation to Valley Oaks. Some of us remember when Jess Jackson cut down around 40 large Valley Oaks near the airport in order to build a winery and vineyards. He did it quickly and w/o a permit and said "go ahead and fine me." He paid, w/ a smile. Hwy. 116 is a State Mandated Scenic Hwy. all the way to Jenner. The Scenic Corridor rules , by county fiat, do not apply to ag. New vineyards only require a ministerial permit. This permitting process goes through the Ag. Commission. There is no place in the process to consider cumulative effects of the rapid vineyard expansion taking place in our county. A ministerial permit does not allow for EIRs. A ministerial permit requires BMP's to be used in development and farming,
but is subject to very little oversight. In the west county there are many vineyards that pour sediment into our streams during rain events. I am a carpenter. If I let any sediment run off a building site, I may be subject to criminal enforcement actions.
Not so vineyards. The fish can't tell the difference.

Our land use policies, which were meant to protect diverse ag., now allow for the incredible growth of vineyards, at a priceless cost to our environment.



The Pocket Canyon logging did not have an EIR. It should.

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I'm curious as to why no Environmental Impact Report was required on Jenkel's property. Does anyone know the reasons? Also, does anyone know if an EIR has been required on the Pocket Canyon parcel that Hobbs is converting over to vineyards?

Here's the link on EIR requirements.


https://www.dfg.ca.gov/habcon/ceqa/i...roced/eir.html

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[ Here's John Jenkel's comments, in green italics, on the recent PD article - Barry]

'Da Vexing 9-11 Truth Campaign to end 64 years of Murder
& Squander for Fascist Gain by Shock & Shame.

June 1, 2011, Abuse News #4819 by John Jenkel, 'da 9-11 Bounty Hunter,
800-500-7083, [email protected]

Good neighbor responds to New York Times cover up

Outcry over clear-cutting DESECRATION
(New York Times-owned Santa Rosa Press Democrat, 5-31-11)

Comment: The far more serious cry is over a land grab to hide mass murder!


CHRISTOPHER CHUNG/ PD
John Jenkel, right, kisses the hand of Al Mathers, who pulled her truck over to express her sorrow at seeing the trees removed from the land previously owned by Jenkel along Gravenstein Highway, near Graton, on Thursday, May 26, 2011. Paul Hobbs acquired the property, previously owned by Jenkel, in a civil dispute.

Comment: Paul Hobbs did not "acquire" property owned by yours truly, John Jenkel. His sponsors in Paul Hobbs Winery, Limited Partnership, did. A court of constitutional law would have prevented this blatant land grab. Criminal profiteers hiding in Paul Hobbs Winery, L. P., bought stolen property which had been unreasonably seized by the County of Sonoma for pennies on the dollar under MARTIAL LAW installed by 373 traitors in Congress with Public Law 107-243 on October 16, 2002. This land grab is designed to help Congress hide mass murder and world terrorism, end democracy, and bankrupt America by destroying me, 'da 9-11 Bounty Hunter, and my 9-11 Truth Campaign.


By PAUL PAYNE
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

Published: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 at 3:58 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 at 3:58 a.m.
A long-running land battle between a winemaker and his irksome neighbor has escalated into Sebastopol-area ire over the clear-cutting of eight acres along Gravenstein Highway.

Comment: There was no "long-running land battle." There is unreasonable seizure and unlawful taking of private property by local government officials under the pretense of legal authority, in violation of California Penal Code Section 146, in a five year groundless tort-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration case that was originally designed to compel me to provide unencumbered access to a public road so land-locked Paul Hobbs Winery, L.P., could get a mortgage and launder over $2 million of ill gotten gains apparently from drug smuggling.

The agreement to provide unencumbered access became null and void upon the winery killing four trees on November 18, 2002 that its agents, including Paul Hobbs and Matthew J. Hobbs, promised defendants to preserve.

The "battle" started in 2002 when I as a good neighbor granted Paul Hobbs Winery, L.P., a commercial easement over my horse farm so the winery could get Use Permit UPE 01-0128 from the County of Sonoma to build a single wood structure winery on its land-locked 19 acres. The valuable consideration for my granting the 30 foot restricted easement was the winery's preserving 60 historic Douglas Fir trees, providing a 10 wide public trail easement, and giving me their office building, which was formerly a three bedroom house. The former office was seized and demolished under the pretense of legal authority and MARTIAL LAW on November 26, 2007, all 60 defenseless giants of truth and beauty are gone, and there is a four metal structure winery, Stalag 116, with the foundation for a 5th structure, exactly where 60 silent spirits lived for over 125 years. In their place is 'da Paul Hobbs Environmental Corruption Monument.

Related Links:
Jenkel pasture auctioned for fraction of value
Sebastopol activist losing pieces of his ranch
The neighbor, political gadfly John Jenkel, said that within days of an auction in which part of his ranch was sold to Paul Hobbs Winery to satisfy part of a $350,000 judgment, Hobbs dispatched tree-cutters and heavy equipment operators to prepare the land for grapes.

Comment: A man who holds Congress accountable for hiding the truth about 2,798 unplanned murders during the Enron-sponsored and Bush-botched organized crimes of 9-11, and for Hoover Institute-advised mass murder and world terrorism in unconstitutional undeclared wars of congressional choice, never necessity, against CIA-fabricated enemies for fascist population management, religious genocide, and organized crime at every opportunity, and has gotten himself arrested 15 times for exercising his constitutionally protected and guaranteed inalienable rights, is not a "political gadfly." That is the New York Times hiding congressional mass murder, treason, and the end of democracy in the land of the formerly free and the home of the once brave.

There was no public auction. There was a land grab by the County of Sonoma in a public back room under MARTIAL LAW with no other bidders allowed. The winery bought stolen property from the County of Sonoma for pennies on the dollar. In the process, its agents, including Paul Hobbs, committed 12 crimes, as reporter Paul Payne was informed in writing before four witnesses.

The blindly issued $350,000 judgement by defrauded and intimidated Judge Gary Nadler is for alleged damages from well water from a self purging sand filter occasionally running down a 13% slope during 7 winter months. I had to install a $3,700 sand filter because my well began pumping sand after the winery drilled its irrigation well 250 feet away.

On February 20, 2008, court records show that Paul Hobbs Winery agent John A. Holdredge conspired to falsely maintained a suit, in violation of California Penal Code Section 182 (a) (3), a felony, by telling Judge Gary Nadler that I "inundated" 125 year old perfectly healthy giant trees standing on a 13% slope for "the entire year."

Judge Nadler conspired with plaintiff Paul Hobbs Winery, L.P., to prohibit "JOHN JENKEL, and DOES 1 through 15, Defendants" from their free exercise or enjoyment of their inalienable rights, in violation of United States Code Title 18, Section 241, a capital offense. His dishonor also conspired with plaintiff to cheat and defraud defendants of property by means which are themselves criminal, in violation of Penal Code Section 182 (a) (4), a felony, by allowing no cross examination of gross lies, or confrontation of fabricating witnesses against silenced defendants, for which his dishonor is disqualified from holding any office under the United States under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, and is ripe for a death sentence under Penal Code Section 37. There is no statute of limitation for prosecuting capital crimes.

What was once a scenic horse pasture lined with redwoods planted by his sons more than 30 years ago was stripped of all natural beauty, Jenkel said.

"It's a desecration," said Jenkel, 72, as he watched a bright yellow skip-loader rumble between piles of debris last week.

He's not the only one upset. Locals are fuming about the denuded property, which Hobbs obtained for a fraction of its assessed value in three sheriff's auctions. It is highly visible on the road from Graton to Forestville.

Some honked or yelled epithets out their car windows as they drove by. Even people who said they disagree with Jenkel's in-your-face style found themselves sympathizing with the eccentric man.

"This is breaking my heart," said Sebastopol pig farmer Al Mathers, who stopped her pickup on the side of the road to talk to Jenkel. "It's nothing but meanness. This is rape."

Others faulted the legal system. At the Willow Wood Market in Graton, barista Kelly Siemon questioned how a judge could allow it to happen.

"The whole thing just seems so wrong," Siemon said.

Hobbs, who founded his winery in 1991, said he didn't relish the idea of removing trees but defended it as necessary for planting a pinot noir vineyard.

He acquired the land for a combined $61,000 after years of frustrating legal action against Jenkel for destroying a stand of fir with excessive runoff. Hundreds of thousands of dollars more was spent on cleanup and paying off old liens, Hobbs said.

Comment: Paul Hobbs did not acquire my eight acres of land for $61,000. Charles Roscoe Benbow, Matthew J. Hobbs, Paul Hobbs, John A. Holdredge, Glen Thomas Edwards, Joan Maxwell, and Michael Franz Josef Riel conspired with Judge Gary Nadler to cheat and defraud me of my property under the pretense of legal authority. They committed 12 crimes in the process. My Supervisor Mike Rielly, now Efren Carrillo, my Sheriff-Cononer Bill Cogbill, and now Steve Freitas, and my District Attorney Stephan Passalacqua, now Jill Ravitch, could have taken legislative and/or executive action to halt these unreasonable and illegal seizures and takings of private property by local government, but joined the conspiracy.

He said he obtained necessary county permits before beginning the work and has planted dozens of new trees to replace old ones.

He denied taking advantage of Jenkel, saying he would transform a "junkyard" littered with abandoned cars and ramshackle buildings into a community asset.

Comment: Nobody takes advantage of me. My "junkyard" was actually my sanctuary under siege. I could not get community support to stop it until 'da Hobbs gang began their desecration along a state scenic highway.

"None of this would have happened if he hadn't killed our trees," Hobbs said. "One of the trees fell on our winery. It was not a minor thing. We went through a lot of trouble with our neighbor."

Comment: It is impossible to kill anything with well water running down a 13% grade. I am not a killer. I am a builder. Paul Hobbs is a lying embezzler!

In a 2009 ruling, Judge Dean Beaupre agreed, calling Jenkel "unrepentant" after illegally dumping water on Hobbs' grove. He accused Jenkel of making false claims and wasting court time. Another judge awarded damages, which Jenkel refused to pay.

"His actions have been a nightmare for the Hobbs Winery," Beaupre wrote.

Comment: Paul Hobbs Winery, L.P., sued "JOHN JENKEL, and DOES 1 through 15, inclusive, Defendants." Obviously, as the named codefendant, I did not cause this nightmare or waste court time. I have never made a false statement in my life. All of my statements stand ANY examination. The problem is that no official will look! Judge Beaupré is lying to cover up his treason.

Judicial traitor Dean A. Beaupré was assigned by former California Supreme Court Chief Justice Ronald M. George to destroy me for Big Oil, Communist China, and Warren Buffet's puppet Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Thanks to them, I can not freely defend myself in any California court.

But Jenkel supporters said his behavior doesn't justify what happened. A local web site buzzed with the developments. Subscribers of WaccooBB.net [They still haven't fixed this! - Barry] posted pictures of downed timber and urged people to call elected officials to do something about it.

Some labeled Jenkel's plight elder financial abuse or railed about the emerging monoculture of vineyards. Others pressed for a boycott of Hobbs' wine.

"Words cannot express my outrage at this typical vineyard tactic," one online poster said. "The beginning salvo: chop everything down."

Supervisor Efren Carrillo, whose 5th district includes the west county area, said he's received from 20 to 30 calls or emails about the clearing, which is permissible because the land is zoned for agriculture.

Comment: None of this is "permissible" because I still lawfully own the property, as any fair minded judge or jury would agree.

However, Carrillo said the destruction of trees was "ill-advised" and could have been handled differently by moving some of them. He said the project, coupled with Hobbs' separate timber-clearing operation in Pocket Canyon, shows disregard for "a good working relationship" with local officials.

Comment: How do you move 125 year old trees? My supervisor covers up "ill-advised" corruption for his criminal profiteering sponsors. Efren is a nice guy in with the wrong crowd.

"When you combine both projects, it does not demonstrate good will in the community," Carrillo said.

Meanwhile, Jenkel is clinging to his remaining seven acres, despite still owing Hobbs more than $300,000. He vowed court action to set aside the initial judgment.

But whether that could happen is unclear. He said he won't hire a lawyer because he doesn't trust them.

Comment: I don't owe Paul Hobbs Winery, L.P., a dime. It owes me over $15 million. I am the best lawyer I can find. Charles Roscoe Benbow, Paul Hobbs, John A. Holdredge, Glen Thomas Edwards, Joan Maxwell, Michael Franz Josef Riel, public traitor Efren Carrillo, and judicial traitor Dean A. Beaupré belong behind bars. Stay tuned.

"I want my land back," Jenkel said.

You can reach Staff Writer Paul Payne at 568-5312 or [email protected].

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I'm curious as to why no Environmental Impact Report was required on Jenkel's property. Does anyone know the reasons? Also, does anyone know if an EIR has been required on the Pocket Canyon parcel that Hobbs is converting over to vineyards?

Here's the link on EIR requirements.

https://www.dfg.ca.gov/habcon/ceqa/i...roced/eir.html

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Dear Community,

Do you want results? This issue is not limited to Jenkel and Hobbs; a thorough investigation could root out the culprits who are enabling the wine grape industrial complex to erode what we value most.

I want to make clear that I support all farmers who are good stewards. We must find ways to define this, and determine which side of the line they are on before we buy their products; while we continue the work you're doing to advertise and boycott those whose practices defy social and environmental justice.

This will be an economic boon to those who are smart enough to already engage in, not just good, but great stewardship.

Look for a cover story on Jenkel/Hobbs in the next issue of the Russian River Times. Will someone with good writing skills write something for the next Sonoma County Gazette (www.westcountygazette.com); ask the SF Chronicle why they have missed this story when news outlets like channel 2 can find a way to bring a Reporter and camera crew up here?

Will each of you please: keep the letters to the Ed. in all papers going; contact the full Board of Supervisors on this issue; and file a citizen's complaint for the Grand Jury to investigate Paul Hobbs Winery, LLP, Sonoma County Superior Court Judges involved in Jenkel's cases, the present Board of Supervisors, and Supervisors who were on the Board when this issue began in 2008; and each agency which enabled this to happen: Planning, Zoning, Permit, etc.; agencies and groups who should have seen to it that a proper EIR was in place for the change of use Hobbs sought, which was out of compliance with the agreement for the easement.

In the easement agreement, Sales, Marketing and Production operations were not granted, only growing; and only 1 building smaller than the main one now, wooden so it would fit in with the area, not metal. Also the right of way agreement was for 5 workers; not the many more who work there now.

It is the BOS who have allowed very bad changes to be permitable for wine ag. When Wall St. and CalPers, etc. have so much at stake in the RE investments made here; they will stop at nothing to ensure their returns; including engineering the modification of the weather in very dangerous ways.

This gets to happen, when your wine label is selected to be used in the White House, and the industrial wine complex makes sure they influence both parties, by sowing both human and financial seeds of astroturf to the grassroots groups, and of course the politicians.

This also gets to happen, when a former gov. for the state which pays the most in taxes, makes going "Green", a thin veneer, instead of a true, deep shade, properly balanced for humans living with respect for nature and each other.

This is no longer just the ag vs environmentalist issue. The good small local farmers are getting hurt by the practices of Big Ag too.

All the wine grape growers know the State is not going for their plan to police themselves on water for frost protection. Building solid bridges of trust with all the stakeholders, is the only way a sustainable "watershed approach" is going to work. Later I'll address some of those solutions I have tried to bring to the watershed protection folks I've been working with for many years.

Other ideas: think about getting yourself, or a good citizen, on the next Grand Jury as well; commit to working for a recall for Supervisors who are not serving us well; run for office, or work for good candidates; work at a polling precinct on election day; voice your concerns with all elected officials in City/County/State/Federal office on both local and national issues.

They all need to know what you value, and how the issues are connected. The cuts made at the top, are the reasons we don't have the funding for the staffing to ensure proper oversight of protection of natural resources and social justice, infrastructure building and repairs, and our Constitutional rights!

If we were to count lobbyist, "We the People", outnumber the war & big ag, big pharma, big toxic chemical and power, toxic lending/investment & insurance-care (not health care), lobby machines.

Go Local whenever you can with your consumption; read labels; ask stores and restaurants to ensure their goods and services are from trusted sources. Ask these businesses to identify the good practices of those making the food/drinks/products, making it easier for the market to dictate the desired direction for businesses to strive for.

Right now, I know getting this before the Grand Jury is the most important next step we can take. YOU, very smart and active people of conscience, are making a difference, and can grow that immensely.

Let's do more than just speak truth to power; let's require power to speak the truth; and make the needed corrections, before more of paradise is lost.

Love and peace,

Colleen Fernald

:mermaid:

Direct Action for All - the more people who file a Grand Jury complaint, the greater the chances they'll investigate.

Tell the media, elected officials, etc., you want to see the changes sought to the County's whistleblower procedure enacted. WaccoLeak your own, here, and everywhere.

This requires being bold and brave; Jenkel and I, and others have been hurt for doing so, in ways you can't imagine. He and I, so appreciate your support; this can help heal our pain. I salute you.

As they say, we are the ones we've been waiting for. Wait no more, we are empowered to co-create an inheritable future, every minute, every choice.

Sonoma County grand jury: 'Complicated process deters people with valid complaints'

By BRETT WILKISON
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

Published: Sunday, May 29, 2011 at 9:03 a.m.

For those trying to expose waste, fraud and abuse in government, the path can be torturous. Whistleblowers must contact one agency after another, and in the process, they can lose both their anonymity and faith in any follow up.

The Sonoma County grand jury reached those conclusions after months of studying the issue. The panel is now calling for a change, saying that gaps between state and local options for whistleblowers may be turning some away.

“It is likely this complicated process deters people with valid complaints from following through,” the grand jury said in an interim report issued two weeks ago.
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...NITY/110529439

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YOUR SONOMA COUNTY GRAND JURY

https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/sites/a...20brochure.pdf

File your complaint here...

https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/sites/a...complaint1.pdf

“Watchdog” . . . “Ombuds Agency” . . . “Forum of Last Resort” . . . all of these terms correctly describe the Grand Jury. Under State law the
Grand Jury is an independent institution that oversees the legislative and administrative departments that make up county, city and special district
governments. The Grand Jury has the power to investigate them to ensure that they are efficient, honest, fair and dedicated to serving the public and
individual citizens.

Many people associate grand juries with indictments in criminal cases, perhaps because the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that
no person can be prosecuted for a federal crime except upon indictment by a grand jury. Today in California there are two types of grand juries, civil
and criminal. They are separate bodies and are governed by different rules. In Sonoma County, criminal grand juries are rarely used, because
alternative methods are available to the District Attorney to bring criminal charges. This brochure describes the civil Grand Jury.



HISTORY

The civil grand jury is an ancient institution. In England, the Magna Carta decreed by King John in 1215 provided for the election of 25
barons who were given the responsibility “to maintain and cause to be observed, the peace and privileges which we [the King] have
granted to them.” They had the power to investigate misconduct by the King’s officials and “to distrain and oppress” the King by taking
his “castles, lands and possessions ... until amends have been made according to their judgment.” California has used grand juries
since it became a state, and every county has a civil grand jury, although they are not so powerful as the barons composing England’s
civil grand jury.

CITIZEN COMPLAINTS

Any individual who feels unfairly treated by the county, a city or a special district, or who believes that any agency, or any officer or employee
thereof, is acting improperly, may file a written complaint with the Sonoma County Grand Jury. All complaints are held in strict confidence.
Complaint forms may be obtained by calling the Grand Jury at 707-537-6330. Completed forms should be mailed to P.O. Box 5109, Santa Rosa, CA
95402. (Only the Grand Jury has access to this postal box.)

FUNCTION AND OPERATION

The principal function of the Grand Jury is to exercise oversight of all aspects of county and city government and special districts within Sonoma
County to ensure that the best interests of its citizens are being served.

Although investigations are usually begun on the basis of citizen complaints, the Grand Jury also acts on its own initiative. A minimum of 12 of the
19 Grand Jurors must authorize the undertaking of an investigation. In conducting its investigations, the Grand Jury is authorized to:

· Inspect and audit books, financial expenditures of county and city departments and special districts to ensure that public funds are properly
accounted for and legally spent.

· Inquire into conditions of jails and the treatment of inmates.

· Inquire into the performance of any county, city, or special district public official or employee.

The Sonoma County Grand Jury has four standing committees that carry out authorized investigations: Law and Justice, Human Services, County, and
Cities and Special Districts. Ad hoc committees are created as circumstances warrant. Under the supervision of the full Grand Jury, the committees
interview and in some cases obtain sworn testimony from witnesses.

The committees also evaluate the procedures, methods, and systems used by the various agencies to determine whether they are conducting their
operations in a fair, efficient and economical manner and in compliance with applicable laws and regulations. They then prepare draft reports of the
results of their investigations for consideration by the full Grand Jury.

SECRECY

By law Grand Jurors are prohibited from disclosing the evidence obtained in their investigations and revealing the names of complainants or
witnesses. Similarly, witnesses are prohibited from disclosing any proceedings of the Grand Jury.

GRAND JURY REPORTS

The results of most Sonoma County Grand Jury investigations are contained in reports that set forth findings concerning the problems investigated and
make recommendations for solutions. These documents are published either as Interim Reports during the year or in the Grand Jury’s Final Report at
the expiration of its term of office. A minimum of 12 of the 19 Grand Jurors must approve the content of any report. Once approved, all reports are
reviewed by County Counsel and the Presiding Judge for compliance with the law before being released to the public.

By law, the governing body of any agency that is the subject of a Grand Jury report must comment on the findings and recommendations of the report
within 90 days of its publication date, except that every elected county officer or agency head must comment within 60 days. The comments must be
submitted to the Presiding Judge and must specify what action, if any, has been or will be taken by the department or agency in regard to the
recommendations or explain why no action has been taken. This requirement gives the sitting Grand Jury or its successor the opportunity to track the
results of investigations.

Copies of the Final Report of the Sonoma County Grand Jury are distributed in July as an insert of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat and are sent to the
regional branches of the Sonoma County Library. Additional copies may be obtained by calling the Grand Jury at 707-537-6330.

GUIDANCE

The Grand Jury may call upon the following officials for advice and guidance in discharging its responsibilities:

· The Presiding Judge of the Superior Court for any type of advice and counsel it deems necessary for its efficient functioning.

· The County Counsel in connection with its operation and the rights, duties and obligations of grand jurors generally.
· The District Attorney in connection with possible criminal conduct uncovered in the course of an investigation.
TIME COMMITMENT

In Sonoma County, the full Grand Jury usually meets weekly throughout the year at its offices in the county’s Los Guilicos facility. In addition to
those meetings, the committees of the Grand Jury meet as required, and their members spend additional time interviewing witnesses and reviewing
documents. Typically, Grand Jury membership involves a time commitment of some portion of two or three days a week.

SELECTION

The Sonoma County Grand Jury is composed of 19 members selected annually under the supervision of the Presiding Judge of the Sonoma County
Superior Court with the assistance of the court’s Administrative Office. By law, a Grand Juror must be a U.S. citizen 18 years of age or older, a
resident of Sonoma County for at least one year, have knowledge of the English language, and have no convictions for malfeasance in office or any
felony or any other high crime. In addition to meeting the statutory requirements, a Grand Juror should:

· Be able to fulfill the time commitment required to be an effective Grand Juror.

· Be in good health.

· Have the ability to work with others and be tolerant of their views

· Have a genuine interest in community affairs.

· Have investigative skills and an ability to write reports.

Each spring, applications for the new Grand Jury are solicited from the public. (Application forms may be obtained at the Administrative Office of
the Sonoma County Courts, 600 Administration Drive, Room 107-J, Santa Rosa, CA 95403, telephone 707-527-1160.) From the applicant pool, the
judges of the Superior Court nominate 30 prospective Grand Jurors. In addition, several members of the existing Grand Jury are selected to serve
another one year term in order to provide institutional continuity.

The prospective Grand Jurors are summoned to appear before the Presiding Judge of the Superior Court in a public session. At this time, the clerk of
the court draws individual names at random. They are added to the holdover members until a total of 19 is reached; that body constitutes the Grand
Jury for the next fiscal year. All 19 members then take the oath of office and are “charged” by the Presiding Judge concerning their duties and
responsibilities. These citizens begin their one-year term in July.

ORIENTATION

New members of the Grand Jury participate in a comprehensive orientation and training program organized by the holdover members. This program
includes a review of investigative procedures, techniques of report writing, visits to county and city facilities, and meetings with various county and
city administrators and law enforcement officers, as well as members of the previous Grand Jury.

WHY BECOME A GRAND JUROR?

Those who serve on the Sonoma County Grand Jury feel privileged to be selected. They enter their service with interest and curiosity in learning
more about the administration and operation of the government in the county in which they live. They give generously of their time for the betterment
of government which, ultimately, belongs to them and to their fellow citizens of Sonoma County.

11/97

John's point is driven home very explicitly by the County Treasurer, unduly burdening taxpayers every year with the following reminder printed conspicuously on the backsides of "our" property tax bill envelopes, dubbing it as the official "Right to Farm":

“The County of Sonoma has declared it a policy to protect and encourage agricultural operations. If your property is located near an agricultural operation, you may at some times be subject to inconvenience or discomfort arising from agricultural operations. If conducted in a manner consistent with proper and accepted standards, said inconveniences and discomforts are hereby deemed not to constitute a nuisance for purposes of the Sonoma County Code."

So there you have it, the codified creation of second class citizenship with an overt double standard distinguishing the agheads from the rest of us. Call the Ag Commissioners' Office to see how far you can get with clarification of the "manner consistent with proper and accepted standards." Accepted by whom?

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We live in a "Right to Farm" county. The way that this is interpreted in Sonoma County is that ag. (vineyards) are exempt from many of the rules that others must follow. With the exceptions of timberland and valley oaks and steep slopes, a landowner may clear as much as he or she wants in order to plant vines. The Sonoma County Tree Ordinance does not apply to ag., except in relation to Valley Oaks. Some of us remember when Jess Jackson cut down around 40 large Valley Oaks near the airport in order to build a winery and vineyards. He did it quickly and w/o a permit and said "go ahead and fine me." He paid, w/ a smile. Hwy. 116 is a State Mandated Scenic Hwy. all the way to Jenner. The Scenic Corridor rules , by county fiat, do not apply to ag. New vineyards only require a ministerial permit. This permitting process goes through the Ag. Commission. There is no place in the process to consider cumulative effects of the rapid vineyard expansion taking place in our county. A ministerial permit does not allow for EIRs. A ministerial permit requires BMP's to be used in development and farming,
but is subject to very little oversight. In the west county there are many vineyards that pour sediment into our streams during rain events. I am a carpenter. If I let any sediment run off a building site, I may be subject to criminal enforcement actions.
Not so vineyards. The fish can't tell the difference.

Our land use policies, which were meant to protect diverse ag., now allow for the incredible growth of vineyards, at a priceless cost to our environment.



The Pocket Canyon logging did not have an EIR. It should.

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Thanks to John and Runningbare for helping bring the "Right to Farm" into focus.

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"manner consistent with proper and accepted standards." Accepted by whom?

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Accepted by whom, indeed! While I do think that agriculture does need and deserve special protection, it should not be a blank check to rape the land. This seems like a great opening for codifying what responsible stewardship looks like, or at least a minimum standard. An no doubt there would be a very well financed campaign to prevent that from happening. :frustration:

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To all the people crying rape, There was a simple solution,

The property was sold at auction, cheap. You should have bought it.
At the very least you could have made hobbs pay more for it.

So unless you can prove you where there bidding on the property, you don't have much right to be whining

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I am beyond underfunded, and just a renter, or I would have bid myself.

Check this history of my posts and see how I tried to get others to do that before both auctions. Besides those who heard from Jenkel and I, any other bidder may have thought this auction was in the same place as the others. I don't know how prospective bidders would have known the auction was in a back room of the Sheriff's building, very heavily guarded, riot gear, and very unfriendly. The Sheriff's office never returned my call requesting a meeting.

Jenkel did not want me to try to get other bidders to bid up the price, because he is certain the sale is not lawful, and this would have legitimized it. In the end, he was right and I was wrong.

Taking that last 3 acres for only $1000, and having no meaningful environmental review before the slash and burn; was the last straw for the defenders of our quality of life here; and now action is following.

BTW, many of us had severe lung and eye reactions that day the Graton Fire Dept. burned the houses for their training mission.

They refused to investigate the fire from the previously burned out house around a year ago; a suspected meth accident.

The County would not help Jenkel evict some of the squatters there. I repeatedly tried to help him clear the property of undesirable elements; buy was mostly rebuffed.

I urge you to take a deeper look at many truths, which are within Jenkel's core reasons for doing what he does. My attorney friend and I are working on a website to feature this and other quests for justice.

:waccosun:

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Today, I posted two emails to Whole Foods/Sebastopol and Whole Foods/Corporate. (Go to their Website to do email)

Unfortunately, WF/Sebastopol carries two wine products by the infamous Paul Hobbs....

If others find Paul Hobbs products sold at other stores, please notify this list, and maybe all those interested in Boycotting Paul Hobbs products can do emails to the store...

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Hi I received an email response from Whole Foods, which stated they forwarded my complaint about Paul Hobbs unethical practices to their international wine buyers. If some others on this board would email Whole Foods ( go to Customer Service on their website) it might have a greater value than just one voice.

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I urge you to take a deeper look at many truths, which are within Jenkel's core reasons for doing what he does. My attorney friend and I are working on a website to feature this and other quests for justice.

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Hi Peace voyager,
I am very impressed with the work you have done/are doing on behalf of Jenkel, the environment, the many issues you are dealing with.
This sad tale has so many facets, I wonder how can - this story - "go viral".
There are some minor events that have "gone viral" and I don't know how it is done. (? via Facebook). This results in an outpouring of feedback, ideas, help...
There may be Farmers Organizations, Horse Ranch Organizations, similar groups who might help if "the word" gets out as well as an outpouring of citizen protest.

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To all the people crying rape, There was a simple solution,

The property was sold at auction, cheap. You should have bought it.
At the very least you could have made hobbs pay more for it.

So unless you can prove you where there bidding on the property, you don't have much right to be whining

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This is Hobbs father speaking, no response needed.

A fathers' love is blind.

Courtesy of the A.V.A.: https://theava.com/archives/11113

:meditate::tiphat::Champagne:

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Courtesy of the A.V.A.: https://theava.com/archives/11113

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Thanks for sharing the link. I posted it on Paul Hobb's Facebook page, thinking that his fans might be interested. To be seen how long it stays there.

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Thanks for sharing the link. I posted it on Paul Hobb's Facebook page, thinking that his fans might be interested. To be seen how long it stays there.

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The Anderson Valley Advertiser Link - is one exemplary article on the now infamous Hobbs. A fine piece of research.

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Dear Community,

Do you want results? This issue is not limited to Jenkel and Hobbs; a thorough investigation could root out the culprits who are enabling the wine grape industrial complex to erode what we value most....

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This is Joan here. I did not copy "peace voyager's" whole post, just the first sentence/above, because the post is lengthy, and these message boards get to be redundant.

Peace Voyager, you write very well, and have given much time, energy & data on the Grand Jury Process. Anyone can take it to the next step using your posting.

I commit to file a Grand Jury complaint. Anyone else care to join me?

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... If someone were to have intervened legally on Jenkel's behalf, when he has adamantly refused to hire his own counsel or legal representative, and has been deemed competent to represent himself in front of a judge, and if John Jenkel were to reject that support (which I suspect is likely in this hypothetical scenario, since I don't believe anyone has actually offered or gone beside or around him, we probably will never know what he would have actually done) would such an advocate have any standing in a court of law? In other words if someone doesn't want, and refuses, legal help, can they be helped legally anyway? Counselor's? Anybody?

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You basically need to have some reason that gives you the right to intervene, typically that you have a financial interest in the case in some way. Moral reasons alone are not enough. (There are some exceptions, but none that I can see apply in this case.)

I for one am totally OK with the druggy’s being gone! That place was a drug haven; the four houses and the water tower were full of Meth to the end!
I actually like John [Mr. Jenkels] but you guys truly are missing a huge part of the whole conspiracy theory here! After being John’s Neighbor for over ten years I can tell you a thing or two about what really went down in his own little world, I was there for every step of the law suit, the fight, the stupidity!
Now John is a brilliant environmentalist, community representative, and a true hero to the world around us. Hell, he can fight the good fight. I just really wish he had his true mind; He would be a savior to us all! He has Schizophrenia and that is that. He refuses to do anything about his delusions. On his remaining property there are several Meth addicts still traipsing around. This is why the fire department and the sheriff’s department went in on the substation on top of the hill, mainly for the drugs. The sheriff needed a place; it was a huge part of why Graton built the fire station/substation up on top. Well, pretty much the ONLY reason!!! Didn’t hear anyone saying anything about the removal of anything right down the street so I guess they are OK?

John started this fight with Hobbs plain and simple, and when Hobbs had to defend himself against a man that literally spends one third of his days in courts, what is a man to do. I knew day one about the lawsuit; John came it and told me he was suing Mr. Hobbs for some trees he had killed. I heard every aspect of this, and let me tell you John got what he had coming!!! I love you John, do us all a favor and get some help so you can really see the world for what it is, instead of the voices in your head!:hmmm:
Yeah the grapes versus a few dozen drug addicts, hmmm, well the grapes won, I for one am glad! As a matter of fact I can’t wait till that whole friggin block and surrounding area is one big sloth of grapes!!! :2cents:

Hello Concerned Neighbors, I think perhaps it is important to step back from the picture to get a clearer perspective.

There are many unfortunate realities at play here, and then there is what what is ahead.This forum bring clarity to our situation. The Agencies of our government and the agents we have elected do not have our long term best interest stated in law. Maybe in the beginning it was thought reasonable to encourage economic growth and revenue by allowing agriculture(Vineyards) free reign, and then the world went Uber corporate. This unchecked advantage simply needs to be addressed. There is still no good reason that this slash and burn policy, in what is known as a scenic corridor, should be allowed for the personal profit of an LLC. We share this county with each other don't we? These 150 year old trees did not take anything away from Mr. Hobbs bottom line, and belonged to everyone on the "Scenic corridor". There is no happy ending to this story unless we as a community offer some positive route to correct this by updating and expanding the law to consider all of us. I continue to be offended at the thoughtless lack of response or crocodile tears from all responsible parties, but it speak volumes about personal character doesn't it? Ok, want something done right ,do it yourself.What to do? Any wisdom on a path folks? Thanks

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Now John is a brilliant environmentalist, community representative, and a true hero to the world around us. Hell, he can fight the good fight. I just really wish he had his true mind; He would be a savior to us all! He has Schizophrenia and that is that. He refuses to do anything about his delusions.

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I want to say in response to the above that unless someone has read an actual clinical assessment of John Jenkel, that makes that diagnosis, I don't believe he is schizophrenic. He is exasperating, megalomaniacal, grandiose and irrational. There is something profoundly amiss in his thinking and personality structure which doesn't appear to be softening, changing or recovering. But I have worked at close quarters with schizophrenics, and from what I see that is not Jenkel's problem.

It's important not to start floating that misconception into the public rumor mill. Moreover attributing John's extreme, self-defeating and community-harming actions to "schizophrenia" reinforces very inaccurate and sinister misconceptions about this tragically painful disability in the public mind.

I certainly wouldn't agree that John Jenkel is a "brilliant" activist of any sort. Or a lucid and constructive environmentalist. Or a community spokesperson (God help us). Nor do I see him as fighting a good fight. He's too self-absorbed and invested in his own grandiose drama to be any of those things. It's valid to denounce the injustice and corruption which was perpetrated with John as a pawn and foil. But if peoples' campaign to right the wrongs of this incident attempts to center on Jenkel as an abused victim, it will only take about a two-second interview or letter to the editor by Jenkel to utterly discredit that story, and any campaign trying to sell it , for 95% of the Sonoma County public.

No I don't want to see stands of redwoods irrevocally destroyed as a supposed antidote to the meth epidemic.

No I don't believe that either the Graton Police or Fire substation was sited where it is to surveil meth labs on Jenkel's land.

Someone who insists that is true is not using sound or coherent reasoning.

I don't plan to get sucked into a pissing match with Mykil about any of this. So I won't be posting further on these points. If people think what I wrote is accurate, fine. If not, that's as much as I plan to discuss it. Waccobb community forum flaming orgies have blessed Humanity with some of the most pointless and wasteful egotistical shit-storms in all of cosmic history.

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Hello Concerned Neighbors, I think perhaps it is important to step back from the picture to get a clearer perspective.

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There are many unfortunate realities at play here, and then there is what what is ahead.This forum bring clarity to our situation. The Agencies of our government and the agents we have elected do not have our long term best interest stated in law. Maybe in the beginning it was thought reasonable to encourage economic growth and revenue by allowing agriculture(Vineyards) free reign, and then the world went Uber corporate. This unchecked advantage simply needs to be addressed. There is still no good reason that this slash and burn policy, in what is known as a scenic corridor, should be allowed for the personal profit of an LLC. We share this county with each other don't we? These 150 year old trees did not take anything away from Mr. Hobbs bottom line, and belonged to everyone on the "Scenic corridor". There is no happy ending to this story unless we as a community offer some positive route to correct this by updating and expanding the law to consider all of us. I continue to be offended at the thoughtless lack of response or crocodile tears from all responsible parties, but it speak volumes about personal character doesn't it? Ok, want something done right ,do it yourself.What to do? Any wisdom on a path folks? Thanks

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WELL PUT AND RIGHTLY SAID, GREENBUDDY

I have other priorities, so I'm not available to implement or be part of any campaign myself. For those who are, here is a possible suggestion:

Use the sad and ugly reality of what's happened, as a major exhibit, in a public campaign to amend (NOT repeal) the Right to Farm ordinance.

Real farmers DO have many legitimate grievances. Big problems are created for farmers when sentimental suburbanites move in around them who can't stand the smell of manure, or think farmers shouldn't plow if doing so makes a dust cloud. Or who expect farmers to pay for road resurfacing that gives beamers and CRVs a smooth ride.

It's not the existence of farm protections which is the culprit here. It's the astroturfing agri-business lobbyists that hijacked the cause of the real farmer to blow a loophole in environmental protection and community accountability. The ordinance needs to be amended to be and do what it claims, while kicking speculative profiteers off the bus.

Real farmers are facing an economic crisis that makes their livelihoods and traditional lives impossible. There SHOULD be protections for them. Whatever portions of the Right to Farm ordinance provide valid protections for those actual farmers need to be preserved. Any campaign to modify the ordinance needs to be clear about that. As a matter of justice, and as a matter of electoral tactics. Better yet, add some new, stronger protections for real farmers that can't be hijacked and deformed in ways that arrogant scheming wine profiteers and other investor-gamers can't misuse to circumvent environmental protections and rape our Mother.

This will take some calm, detached, technically sophisticated statutory and legal analysis. It can be done. There are excellent, reputable, technically astute and principled environmental groups who can guide sincere but un-trained grass-roots activists through the labyrinth. Just pick someone capable, mature and responsible. No flashy grandstanders or messiahs. And john Jenkel should not be on the planning committee. This isn't a rescue John Jenkel campaign. It's a rational, mature restore community, justice and environment campaign. (If you want it to succeed, that is.)

This may not win any money back for Jenkel from Hobbs. Making Jenkel whole may or may not be achievable. If so, that needs to be a completely separate endeaver, with different advocates and players. I doubt it's winnable, with a client who is as fiecely contemptuous of the court and suspicious of potential allies as Jenkel is. But people can try.

Reforming the Right to Farm ordinance definitely can't and won't bring a murdered sacred grove of redwoods back to life. For that shameful crime against nature and community we have to grieve, let our pain solidify our determination, and move forward.

I hope among the talented and committed people posting to this thread, some will develop a corrective amendment to the Right to Farm initiative and get it enacted. If you do I'll be cheering from the sidelines. while I fight some different struggles that have already claimed my attention and energy.

God bless and good luck. God bless Jenkel. He's hurting and he's been wronged.

Peace seeker;it does not sound like you want to know the truth or seek peace! If you don't belive what I have wrote go find out for yourself! Please do not discredit my complete and honest assessment of the facts! Ten years next door and you know things! P~E~A~C~E !

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Hey, wait a minute, Lady! :wink:
At least they were well-written shit-storms! :hifive:
And this is not one of the them (you and beloved iconoclast, Mykil, not withstanding!).
This is what we are here for...:waccosun:

Please continue....

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A fathers' love is blind.

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WELL PUT AND RIGHTLY SAID, GREENBUDDY

I have other priorities, so I'm not available to implement or be part of any campaign myself. For those who are, here is a possible suggestion:

Use the sad and ugly reality of what's happened, as a major exhibit, in a public campaign to amend (NOT repeal) the Right to Farm ordinance.

Real farmers DO have many legitimate grievances. Big problems are created for farmers when sentimental suburbanites move in around them who can't stand the smell of manure, or think farmers shouldn't plow if doing so makes a dust cloud. Or who expect farmers to pay for road resurfacing that gives beamers and CRVs a smooth ride.

It's not the existence of farm protections which is the culprit here. It's the astroturfing agri-business lobbyists that hijacked the cause of the real farmer to blow a loophole in environmental protection and community accountability. The ordinance needs to be amended to be and do what it claims, while kicking speculative profiteers off the bus.

Real farmers are facing an economic crisis that makes their livelihoods and traditional lives impossible. There SHOULD be protections for them. Whatever portions of the Right to Farm ordinance provide valid protections for those actual farmers need to be preserved. Any campaign to modify the ordinance needs to be clear about that. As a matter of justice, and as a matter of electoral tactics. Better yet, add some new, stronger protections for real farmers that can't be hijacked and deformed in ways that arrogant scheming wine profiteers and other investor-gamers can't misuse to circumvent environmental protections and rape our Mother.

This will take some calm, detached, technically sophisticated statutory and legal analysis. It can be done. There are excellent, reputable, technically astute and principled environmental groups who can guide sincere but un-trained grass-roots activists through the labyrinth. Just pick someone capable, mature and responsible. No flashy grandstanders or messiahs. And john Jenkel should not be on the planning committee. This isn't a rescue John Jenkel campaign. It's a rational, mature restore community, justice and environment campaign. (If you want it to succeed, that is.)

This may not win any money back for Jenkel from Hobbs. Making Jenkel whole may or may not be achievable. If so, that needs to be a completely separate endeaver, with different advocates and players. I doubt it's winnable, with a client who is as fiecely contemptuous of the court and suspicious of potential allies as Jenkel is. But people can try.

Reforming the Right to Farm ordinance definitely can't and won't bring a murdered sacred grove of redwoods back to life. For that shameful crime against nature and community we have to grieve, let our pain solidify our determination, and move forward.

I hope among the talented and committed people posting to this thread, some will develop a corrective amendment to the Right to Farm initiative and get it enacted. If you do I'll be cheering from the sidelines. while I fight some different struggles that have already claimed my attention and energy.

God bless and good luck. God bless Jenkel. He's hurting and he's been wronged.

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Very well put!

Would all of you, in person at the next Board of Supervisors meeting (Tue. June 7th), or by letter, phone, fax; make a request to have the Hobb's/Jenkel issues, along with these right-to-farm issues, be put on their agenda?

Much thanks,

Colleen Fernald

:goorganic: :dcngbrocli:


https://sonoma-county.granicus.com/G...=2&event_id=20
AFTERNOON SESSION

1. 2:00 Report on Closed Session

2. 2:00 Public Comment on Issues Not on the Agenda. Please limit comments to 3 minutes each. The Board will hear public comments on non-agenda issues for up to 30 minutes. At that time, they will hear scheduled agenda items. Any additional public comments will be heard at the conclusion of the agendized items.

I drove down our devastated scenic corridor this morning. Judging by the location of the utility poles it seems to me that some of the trees cut down were on Caltrans property. If so, that would mean that the trees belonged to the people of California. Can anyone confirm this?

The road by Jenkel's (north of the devastation) looks like an access road, probably private property, the firetruck was parked on it when the fire practice was happening.

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in the courts i believe it is possible for anyone to join in, amicus curiae, "friend of the court"

trying to find time to locate a law firm (with some pro bono work to do) to review everything in hope of finding grounds for an appeal. (As a friend of the people here.)

was thinking Mr. Jenkel's thought pattern could be something as simple as blocked or semi-blocked carotid arteries (not enough O2 to the brain). Mr. Jenkel's quote in the press democrat last week, "I want my land back." is completely clear and well said.

"YOUR SONOMA COUNTY GRAND JURY"


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A Documentary, written, directed,
produced, and acted,
by a Community.

Dear Community:

Here follows a cleaned-up text, sans spaces, of the very important Information about the process of public participation in the social adventure of the formation and edification of the Social Entity known as the Grand Jury, information that Colleen Fernald, Peace Voyager was very gracious to share, for our mutual and collective Information and Imagination...

It is very important information, so I thought you ought to be able to see it twice in this thread, without the distracting spaces which, wouldn’t you know it, often get inserted into the text, when an especially important piece of Information is being transmitted electronically on the Internet these days. Here follows the Treatment:

- Mark Walter Evans


YOUR SONOMA COUNTY GRAND JURY

https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/info/ad...ion/grand-jury

File your complaint here...

https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/sites/al...complaint1.pdf

“Watchdog” . . . “Ombuds Agency” . . . “Forum of Last Resort” . . . all of these terms correctly describe the Grand Jury. Under State law the Grand Jury is an independent institution that oversees the legislative and administrative departments that make up county, city and special district governments. The Grand Jury has the power to investigate them to ensure that they are efficient, honest, fair and dedicated to serving the public and individual citizens.

Many people associate grand juries with indictments in criminal cases, perhaps because the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides that no person can be prosecuted for a federal crime except upon indictment by a grand jury. Today in California there are two types of grand juries, civil and criminal. They are separate bodies and are governed by different rules. In Sonoma County, criminal grand juries are rarely used, because alternative methods are available to the District Attorney to bring criminal charges. This brochure describes the civil Grand Jury.

HISTORY

The civil grand jury is an ancient institution. In England, the Magna Carta decreed by King John in 1215 provided for the election of 25 barons who were given the responsibility “to maintain and cause to be observed, the peace and privileges which we [the King] have granted to them.” They had the power to investigate misconduct by the King’s officials and “to distrain and oppress” the King by taking his “castles, lands and possessions ... until amends have been made according to their judgment.” California has used grand juries since it became a state, and every county has a civil grand jury, although they are not so powerful as the barons composing England’s civil grand jury.

CITIZEN COMPLAINTS

Any individual who feels unfairly treated by the county, a city or a special district, or who believes that any agency, or any officer or employee thereof, is acting improperly, may file a written complaint with the Sonoma County Grand Jury. All complaints are held in strict confidence. Complaint forms may be obtained by calling the Grand Jury at 707-537-6330. Completed forms should be mailed to P.O. Box 5109, Santa Rosa, CA 95402. (Only the Grand Jury has access to this postal box.)

FUNCTION AND OPERATION

The principal function of the Grand Jury is to exercise oversight of all aspects of county and city government and special districts within Sonoma County to ensure that the best interests of its citizens are being served.

Although investigations are usually begun on the basis of citizen complaints, the Grand Jury also acts on its own initiative. A minimum of 12 of the 19 Grand Jurors must authorize the undertaking of an investigation. In conducting its investigations, the Grand Jury is authorized to:

· Inspect and audit books, financial expenditures of county and city departments and special districts to ensure that public funds are properly accounted for and legally spent.

· Inquire into conditions of jails and the treatment of inmates.

· Inquire into the performance of any county, city, or special district public official or employee.

The Sonoma County Grand Jury has four standing committees that carry out authorized investigations: Law and Justice, Human Services, County, and Cities and Special Districts. Ad hoc committees are created as circumstances warrant. Under the supervision of the full Grand Jury, the committees interview and in some cases obtain sworn testimony from witnesses.

The committees also evaluate the procedures, methods, and systems used by the various agencies to determine whether they are conducting their operations in a fair, efficient and economical manner and in compliance with applicable laws and regulations. They then prepare draft reports of the results of their investigations for consideration by the full Grand Jury.

SECRECY

By law Grand Jurors are prohibited from disclosing the evidence obtained in their investigations and revealing the names of complainants or witnesses. Similarly, witnesses are prohibited from disclosing any proceedings of the Grand Jury.

GRAND JURY REPORTS

The results of most Sonoma County Grand Jury investigations are contained in reports that set forth findings concerning the problems investigated and make recommendations for solutions. These documents are published either as Interim Reports during the year or in the Grand Jury’s Final Report at the expiration of its term of office. A minimum of 12 of the 19 Grand Jurors must approve the content of any report. Once approved, all reports are reviewed by County Counsel and the Presiding Judge for compliance with the law before being released to the public.

By law, the governing body of any agency that is the subject of a Grand Jury report must comment on the findings and recommendations of the report within 90 days of its publication date, except that every elected county officer or agency head must comment within 60 days. The comments must be submitted to the Presiding Judge and must specify what action, if any, has been or will be taken by the department or agency in regard to the recommendations or explain why no action has been taken. This requirement gives the sitting Grand Jury or its successor the opportunity to track the results of investigations.

Copies of the Final Report of the Sonoma County Grand Jury are distributed in July as an insert of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat and are sent to the regional branches of the Sonoma County Library. Additional copies may be obtained by calling the Grand Jury at 707-537-6330.

GUIDANCE

The Grand Jury may call upon the following officials for advice and guidance in discharging its responsibilities:

· The Presiding Judge of the Superior Court for any type of advice and counsel it deems necessary for its efficient functioning.

· The County Counsel in connection with its operation and the rights, duties and obligations of grand jurors generally.


· The District Attorney in connection with possible criminal conduct uncovered in the course of an investigation.

TIME COMMITMENT

In Sonoma County, the full Grand Jury usually meets weekly throughout the year at its offices in the county’s Los Guilicos facility. In addition to those meetings, the committees of the Grand Jury meet as required, and their members spend additional time interviewing witnesses and reviewing documents. Typically, Grand Jury membership involves a time commitment of some portion of two or three days a week.

SELECTION

The Sonoma County Grand Jury is composed of 19 members selected annually under the supervision of the Presiding Judge of the Sonoma County Superior Court with the assistance of the court’s Administrative Office. By law, a Grand Juror must be a U.S. citizen 18 years of age or older, a resident of Sonoma County for at least one year, have knowledge of the English language, and have no convictions for malfeasance in office or any felony or any other high crime. In addition to meeting the statutory requirements, a Grand Juror should:

· Be able to fulfill the time commitment required to be an effective Grand Juror.

· Be in good health.

· Have the ability to work with others and be tolerant of their views

· Have a genuine interest in community affairs.

· Have investigative skills and an ability to write reports.

Each spring, applications for the new Grand Jury are solicited from the public. (Application forms may be obtained at the Administrative Office of the Sonoma County Courts, 600 Administration Drive, Room 107-J, Santa Rosa, CA 95403, telephone 707-527-1160.) From the applicant pool, the judges of the Superior Court nominate 30 prospective Grand Jurors. In addition, several members of the existing Grand Jury are selected to serve another one year term in order to provide institutional continuity.

The prospective Grand Jurors are summoned to appear before the Presiding Judge of the Superior Court in a public session. At this time, the clerk of the court draws individual names at random. They are added to the holdover members until a total of 19 is reached; that body constitutes the Grand Jury for the next fiscal year. All 19 members then take the oath of office and are “charged” by the Presiding Judge concerning their duties and responsibilities. These citizens begin their one-year term in July.

ORIENTATION

New members of the Grand Jury participate in a comprehensive orientation and training program organized by the holdover members. This program includes a review of investigative procedures, techniques of report writing, visits to county and city facilities, and meetings with various county and city administrators and law enforcement officers, as well as members of the previous Grand Jury.

WHY BECOME A GRAND JUROR?

Those who serve on the Sonoma County Grand Jury feel privileged to be selected. They enter their service with interest and curiosity in learning more about the administration and operation of the government in the county in which they live. They give generously of their time for the betterment of government which, ultimately, belongs to them and to their fellow citizens of Sonoma County.

11/97

Here's some more information from the Sonoma County Grand Jury website: https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/info/ad...ion/grand-jury - Barry

Sonoma County Civil Grand Jury
Email: [email protected]
Mail: PO BOX 5109, Santa Rosa, CA 95402
(707) 565-6330
www.sonomagrandjury.org

GRAND JURY INFORMATION

Video: Your Grand Jury at Work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCcH...layer_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCcH...layer_embedded

Your interest in serving on the Sonoma County Civil Grand Jury is sincerely appreciated. Before submitting it, it may be helpful for you to understand what is involved, and how the Grand Jury is selected. For more information, please read the information included in the Grand Jury Application Form. This form can be filled in online and printed.

Please note: the deadline to submit an application for the 2011/2012 Grand Jury has passed. However, if you are interested in applying to serve on the 2012/2013 panel, please feel free to forward an application to the address listed.

• Sonoma County Grand Jury Informational Brochure
• Your Sonoma County Grand Jury Operational Summary
• El Gran Jurado del Condado de Sonoma esde Usted
• Request to be a Grand Juror
• Citizens Complaint Form-English
• Formulario de Reclamo por un Ciudadano – Confidencial

Final Reports and Final Responses

Grand Jury 2010-2011

Individual Interim Reports 2010-2011
Grand Jury 2009-2010

Final Report 2009-2010
Individual Final Reports and Responses 2009-2010

[Here's John Jenkel's latest "Abuse News". In it he outlines various issues with the legal proceedings that ended up with the confiscation of his land. - Barry]

JOHN JENKEL
Desecrated Splinterbar Horse Farm
P. O. Box 1822, Sebastopol, California 95473
Phone: 707-823-7083, E-mail: [email protected]

June 4, 2011 (Abuse News #4818)

The Honorable Kamala Harris,

Attorney General of the $153.6 billion dysfunctional and $151.9 billion congressionally robbed State of 37.6 million congressionally betrayed and over 643 congressionally murdered Californians, in care of the Victim's Services Unit, California Attorney General's Office, P.O. Box 944255, Sacramento, California, 94344-2550, Phone 887-433-9069

Dear Madam:

1. I am one of 16 at all times mentioned inclusive victims of 16 crimes listed in Point 111 of the attached CROSS COMPLAINT TO SET ASIDE CONSTITUTIONALLY DEFECTIVE JUDGMENTS; TO QUIET TITLE ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS; FOR RESTITUTION; AND FOR DAMAGES FROM DESECRATION.

2. I am not able to get local legislative recognition of these 16 crimes or local executive enforcement against these 16 crimes from public officers in my County of Sonoma because all local public officers claim each crime "is a court matter." Please issue an opinion that the legislative and executive branches of a county government are equally empowered and have duties separate from the judicial branch to see that all laws of the $153.6 billion dysfunctional and $151.9 billion congressionally robbed State of 37.6 million congressionally betrayed and over 643 congressionally murdered Californians are faithfully executed.

3. Please issue an opinion that all public officers in all three coequal and independent branches of government in California are bound by their Oaths of Office and are paid under public contracts to see that the laws of the $153.6 billion dysfunctional and $151.9 billion congressionally robbed State of 37.6 million congressionally betrayed and over 643 congressionally murdered Californians are faithfully executed.

4. It is impossible for me to defend myself in civil court because I have been declared to be a vexatious litigant even though I have never been a plaintiff. Please issue an opinion that no defendant, respondent, or petitioner is a vexatious litigant.

5. I was denied several scheduled critical civil court appearances in Sonoma County because I did not call to reserve court time by 4:00 p.m. the day before a scheduled court hearing. Please issue an opinion that no litigant may be required to reserve time for a scheduled court hearing.

6. I am assessed damages of $320,158.00 by California judicial officer Gary Nadler as one of 16 at all times mentioned inclusive defendants in groundless California Superior Court tort-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238697. Please issue an opinion that no single defendant may be targeted in a case where codefendants are at all times mentioned equally inclusive.

7. I was assessed damages of $320,158.00 by California judicial officer Gary Nadler in groundless California Superior Court tort-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238697 while prevented from confronting witnesses and examining evidence against me. Please issue an opinion that no damages can be awarded to a plaintiff following a hearing in which defendants are prevented from defending themselves.

8. I am assessed damages of $90,676.75 in groundless California Superior Court mandamus-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238698 by California judicial officer Robert S. Boyd as one of 16 coequal respondents in a mandamus action without benefit of any hearing. Please issue an opinion that damages may not be awarded to any petitioner in any action to compel performance.

9. I am assessed damages of $90,676.75 in groundless California Superior Court mandamus-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238698 by California judicial officer Robert S. Boyd as one of 16 coequal respondents in a mandamus action without benefit of a hearing. Please issue an opinion that damages may not be assessed against any adverse party without benefit of a hearing.

10. There have been several court orders unilaterally issued by California judicial officer Dean A. Beaupré apparently to destroy me, 'da 9-11 Bounty Hunter, and my all too effective 9-11 Truth Campaign that exposes the Enron-sponsored organized crimes of 9-11, 2,798 unplanned murders on 9-11, and mass murder for fascist gain in undeclared war. Judicial traitor Beaupré was assigned by former Supreme Court Chief Justice Ronald M. George under former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger who was an Enron investor. These public officers conspired to issue several orders against me without requests from the opposing parties. Please issue an opinion that California judicial officers have duties to decide disputes under Code of Civil Procedure Section 170 according to constitutional law. Please confirm that unless there is a proposed order by one of the parties to a duly filed dispute, there can be no California Superior Court action to settle or dismiss such dispute.

Naturally, John Jenkel, 'da 9-11 Bounty Hunter

Some Thoughts on How to help make this thread “go Viral”:

If you really want to see this thread go viral, there is a simple way to make it happen. We all need to do our bit, though, and take the time to wrack our brains thinking of creative places to post this information all over the internet; each of us doing his or her own bit to see that every newsroom, newspaper, magazine, and internet bulletin board and news-wire in the country – as well as overseas - gets to see these three links:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...kel-Property&p=

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...nion/110609844

https://www.ksro.com/Programs/KSROAM...tryID=10243231

That’s the Worm of Ouroboros, right there, kids.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...simple.svg.png

Write your own cover letter in a Word document , and include the links listed above. Just tell the story in your own words and say why you think this a very important story, that everyone needs to know about. Be very recursive, and perfect it, just as if you were writing a one-page cover letter in a Journalism class at Columbia, then send it out, willy-nilly, everywhere, Folks! Send it abroad, to France & the Benelux, as well, Folks.

Post ! Paste ! Post !

People over there in France will lap this up. They love to read about American barbarities, folks. What we really need – and what the Court downtown really needs - is a few reporters from Paris Match, Radio Netherlands, and Deutsch Radio Velte, turning up at Jenkel’s Ranch on hwy 116, covering a sit-down occupation/protest on the desecrated & ripped off property of old man Jenkel.

Hey, Let’s all remember Birmingham, and those sit-down protests of the Civil Rights movement, Folks.

Strike ! Organize! Protest !

Here are several resource Websites and Links that might be of aid in this Quest:

https://www.google.com/search?q=inve...afe=images&tbs=

https://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml

https://lists.indymedia.org/

https://www.info.com/internet%20bill...FQEKbAodZEcVvA

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Someone who feels competent, & up to the task, should contact 60 Minutes, and Pacifica, and every other pseudo-Muckraking outfit that’s still out there, with this story. It’s a very, very vital and important story, Community. It’s like “It Can’t Happen Here.” Wake up.

- Mark Walter Evans

Filing a complaint with YOUR SONOMA COUNTY GRAND JURY { and what are the details on the water supply that Hobbs will be useing so much of = Who to contact
to protest this ???!!!! } .

File your complaint here...
https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/sites/al...complaint1.pdf
Any individual who feels unfairly treated by the county, a city or a special district, or who believes that any agency, or any officer or employee thereof, is acting improperly, may file a written complaint with the Sonoma County Grand Jury. All complaints are held in strict confidence. Complaint forms may be obtained by calling the Grand Jury at 707-537-6330.

Could some one clarify how to state this complaint ???!!! Who specifically { an official-agency-employee } are we citing for what particular action { or in-action } ??
With this information we can each properly file this grand jury request for justice . i&we thank you.

Go to the Horse's Mouth

Perhaps you good people - those who really do care about this Issue, and the fact that an Elder has been abused - quite apart from the fact that the Earth has been raped upon half of his land - should take it in heart and mind to go, and make a personal appearance at John Jenkel's desecrated homestead, and take the time to Visit him, and offer the poor man some - you know - Aid and Comfort.

Does anyone Remember how to do that, any longer; is it a Reflex that we have lost - or perhaps never learned and cultivated?... Never-the-less, it is a Mitzvah, and there is a Blessing involved in actually doing so...

You All know how to get there, don't you? It's not like this thing was done in a Corner now, was it? I repeat, it is a blessing to visit those who are sick and in prison, widows and orphans; the downtrodden and dispossessed, in their afflictions. Christ said so. And so did Buddha, and Krishna, and old man Lao, etc...

- Mark Walter Evans

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[Here's John Jenkel's latest "Abuse News". In it he outlines various issues with the legal proceedings that ended up with the confiscation of his land. - Barry]

JOHN JENKEL
Desecrated Splinterbar Horse Farm
P. O. Box 1822, Sebastopol, California 95473
Phone: 707-823-7083, E-mail: [email protected]

June 4, 2011 (Abuse News #4818)

The Honorable Kamala Harris,

Attorney General of the $153.6 billion dysfunctional and $151.9 billion congressionally robbed State of 37.6 million congressionally betrayed and over 643 congressionally murdered Californians, in care of the Victim's Services Unit, California Attorney General's Office, P.O. Box 944255, Sacramento, California, 94344-2550, Phone 887-433-9069

Dear Madam:

1. I am one of 16 at all times mentioned inclusive victims of 16 crimes listed in Point 111 of the attached CROSS COMPLAINT TO SET ASIDE CONSTITUTIONALLY DEFECTIVE JUDGMENTS; TO QUIET TITLE ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS; FOR RESTITUTION; AND FOR DAMAGES FROM DESECRATION.

2. I am not able to get local legislative recognition of these 16 crimes or local executive enforcement against these 16 crimes from public officers in my County of Sonoma because all local public officers claim each crime "is a court matter." Please issue an opinion that the legislative and executive branches of a county government are equally empowered and have duties separate from the judicial branch to see that all laws of the $153.6 billion dysfunctional and $151.9 billion congressionally robbed State of 37.6 million congressionally betrayed and over 643 congressionally murdered Californians are faithfully executed.

3. Please issue an opinion that all public officers in all three coequal and independent branches of government in California are bound by their Oaths of Office and are paid under public contracts to see that the laws of the $153.6 billion dysfunctional and $151.9 billion congressionally robbed State of 37.6 million congressionally betrayed and over 643 congressionally murdered Californians are faithfully executed.

4. It is impossible for me to defend myself in civil court because I have been declared to be a vexatious litigant even though I have never been a plaintiff. Please issue an opinion that no defendant, respondent, or petitioner is a vexatious litigant.

5. I was denied several scheduled critical civil court appearances in Sonoma County because I did not call to reserve court time by 4:00 p.m. the day before a scheduled court hearing. Please issue an opinion that no litigant may be required to reserve time for a scheduled court hearing.

6. I am assessed damages of $320,158.00 by California judicial officer Gary Nadler as one of 16 at all times mentioned inclusive defendants in groundless California Superior Court tort-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238697. Please issue an opinion that no single defendant may be targeted in a case where codefendants are at all times mentioned equally inclusive.

7. I was assessed damages of $320,158.00 by California judicial officer Gary Nadler in groundless California Superior Court tort-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238697 while prevented from confronting witnesses and examining evidence against me. Please issue an opinion that no damages can be awarded to a plaintiff following a hearing in which defendants are prevented from defending themselves.

8. I am assessed damages of $90,676.75 in groundless California Superior Court mandamus-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238698 by California judicial officer Robert S. Boyd as one of 16 coequal respondents in a mandamus action without benefit of any hearing. Please issue an opinion that damages may not be awarded to any petitioner in any action to compel performance.

9. I am assessed damages of $90,676.75 in groundless California Superior Court mandamus-turned-winery-land-grab/desecration Case SCV-238698 by California judicial officer Robert S. Boyd as one of 16 coequal respondents in a mandamus action without benefit of a hearing. Please issue an opinion that damages may not be assessed against any adverse party without benefit of a hearing.

10. There have been several court orders unilaterally issued by California judicial officer Dean A. Beaupré apparently to destroy me, 'da 9-11 Bounty Hunter, and my all too effective 9-11 Truth Campaign that exposes the Enron-sponsored organized crimes of 9-11, 2,798 unplanned murders on 9-11, and mass murder for fascist gain in undeclared war. Judicial traitor Beaupré was assigned by former Supreme Court Chief Justice Ronald M. George under former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger who was an Enron investor. These public officers conspired to issue several orders against me without requests from the opposing parties. Please issue an opinion that California judicial officers have duties to decide disputes under Code of Civil Procedure Section 170 according to constitutional law. Please confirm that unless there is a proposed order by one of the parties to a duly filed dispute, there can be no California Superior Court action to settle or dismiss such dispute.

Naturally, John Jenkel, 'da 9-11 Bounty Hunter

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Imagine you are the Attorney General and you receive this letter. What do you do with it? Throw it in the circular file where it belongs, of course. I'll say it again, John Jenkel brought all of his misfortune down on himself (and the rest of us) because of his perverse desire to keep getting shot down in flames in a spectacular fashion. When he believes he's right and everyone else is wrong he should know he's not playing with a full deck. Everyone else knows it. Not to defend Hobbs, but he is just using the legal system in a neighbor dispute and is gonna win every time due to Jenkel's right to be a goofy guy who insists on seppuku at every opportunity, If we question Hobbs' morality and ethics, we must also question Jenkel's.

PS - He requests the AG issue an opinion that nobody can be declared a vexatious litigant? Are you kidding me?

I can't recall if Bruce Robinson's piece published in the Bohemian has been shared on this thread. When I read it a week or so ago, I found it to be the best summation of this mess that I've seen. Just in case those interested haven't read it, here it is:

https://www.bohemian.com/bohemian/05...nmic-1120.html

hereby expressing appreciation of your post... (jbox 8:01 am)

sometimes in communicating with the myriad of people that comprise humanity, it's necessary to actively edit statements (perhaps take in every 20th word)...rapidly see the point the person is trying to make and pass your judgment on those insights.

in this case with Mr. Jenkel don't think it is appropriate to say [this guy's a little off, therefore it's OK to ROB HIM].

the Magna Carta made no such qualifications in its text which is the basis for our justice system.

in my humblest of opinions, this entire matter needs an intelligent, compassionate and fair person to review it in its entirety and a fair resolution MUST be made.

fundamentally Hobbs unjustly enriched himself and seems to have had a lot of gracious help!! we all need to pay attention because if this happened to him, it probably could happen to any one of us. we all had a lovely stretch of the Gravenstein Highway denuded.

:)

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I can't recall if Bruce Robinson's piece published in the Bohemian has been shared on this thread. When I read it a week or so ago, I found it to be the best summation of this mess that I've seen. Just in case those interested haven't read it, here it is:

https://www.bohemian.com/bohemian/05...nmic-1120.html

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Thanks for this, Miles. One thing I might add that neither Robinson nor several others have taken into account: Hobbs has said that when he took Jenkel's land, there were liens on the land that needed to be paid off. I don't know if this was true, but if so, then he probably paid a lot more for the land than the numbers that have been thrown around. Don't get me wrong; I agree with the tone of Robinson's editorial -- Hobbs appears to be "a well-heeled bully in a three-piece suit ... one smooth operator armed with money, lawyers and an ugly sense of entitlement" -- but those who would fight should get the facts correct.
Hope this helps.
Rico

liens on land can be recorded by both private and public parties. its hard for me to imagine that jenkel didn't/doesn't have public liens on his land, he is a proud lawscoff.

liens, especially public ones, ie government generated, are negotiatable. if hobbs is really as he claims, he would honestly reveal his process (maybe he got public liens released for letting fire departments torch the houses?). so far all i have seen and heard from hobbs is silence and bs.

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Thanks for this, Miles. One thing I might add that neither Robinson nor several others have taken into account: Hobbs has said that when he took Jenkel's land, there were liens on the land that needed to be paid off. I don't know if this was true, but if so, then he probably paid a lot more for the land than the numbers that have been thrown around. Don't get me wrong; I agree with the tone of Robinson's editorial -- Hobbs appears to be "a well-heeled bully in a three-piece suit ... one smooth operator armed with money, lawyers and an ugly sense of entitlement" -- but those who would fight should get the facts correct.
Hope this helps.
Rico

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i'll take goofy over greedy any day. granted jenkel has been incapable of handling his own business and this has impacted his neighbor hobbs. how would i like the access of my world class winery to be through a neighbor who can't evict drug addicted squatters? yes this is a tough situation.

hobbs seems to have chosen greed as his guide.

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Imagine you are the Attorney General and you receive this letter. What do you do with it? Throw it in the circular file where it belongs, of course. I'll say it again, John Jenkel brought all of his misfortune down on himself (and the rest of us) because of his perverse desire to keep getting shot down in flames in a spectacular fashion. When he believes he's right and everyone else is wrong he should know he's not playing with a full deck. Everyone else knows it. Not to defend Hobbs, but he is just using the legal system in a neighbor dispute and is gonna win every time due to Jenkel's right to be a goofy guy who insists on seppuku at every opportunity, If we question Hobbs' morality and ethics, we must also question Jenkel's.

PS - He requests the AG issue an opinion that nobody can be declared a vexatious litigant? Are you kidding me?

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Today, I posted two emails to Whole Foods/Sebastopol and Whole Foods/Corporate. (Go to their Website to do email)

Unfortunately, WF/Sebastopol carries two wine products by the infamous Paul Hobbs. WF professes high corporate values, believes in "fair trade" etc. which was my subject when I asked them to STOP selling Paul Hobbs products....

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Here's the response from Whole Foods. They are not going to pull Paul Hobbs wines:

From: Brian Cofran (NC SRS)

Subject: Selling Paul Hobbs wines at Whole Foods Market
Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:36 AM

First of all, thank you for writing in to our website. We are always happy and interested to hear from our local community. I have done some research on the issue you mentioned (https://www.watchsonomacounty.com/20...nto-his-ranch/) and have found valid points on both sides. Here at Whole Foods Market one of our prime mission statements is to support our local farmers and community. The Paul Hobbs winery employs many locals and is a positive participant in our community. At this time I cannot in good faith make the decision to stop carrying his wines. I hope this decision does not stop you from shopping in our store. You are a valued customer and I hope you continue to value us as well.

"a positive participant in our community"???
Sounds like a boycott and picket in in order!

Whole Foods supports Paul Hobbs clear cutting

the grand jury is an interesting strategy to fill a desire for justice in this situation. i have my doubts that a citizen panel with a high requirement for facts and accountability can deal with the history and morality of the jenkel/hobbs dynamic. still its worth a try, just for the grand juries sake.

i choose to tell the tale of neighborly avarice far and wide as i am easily able. hoping hobbs will answer rather than sulk in silence or sheepishly targeted message, what i have heard so far. how about it robert m, father of paul, are you willing to be more than a troll, and speak to the morals of your son?

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Filing a complaint with YOUR SONOMA COUNTY GRAND JURY { and what are the details on the water supply that Hobbs will be useing so much of = Who to contact
to protest this ???!!!! } .

File your complaint here...
https://sonoma.courts.ca.gov/sites/al...complaint1.pdf
Any individual who feels unfairly treated by the county, a city or a special district, or who believes that any agency, or any officer or employee thereof, is acting improperly, may file a written complaint with the Sonoma County Grand Jury. All complaints are held in strict confidence. Complaint forms may be obtained by calling the Grand Jury at 707-537-6330.

Could some one clarify how to state this complaint ???!!! Who specifically { an official-agency-employee } are we citing for what particular action { or in-action } ??
With this information we can each properly file this grand jury request for justice . i&we thank you.

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I drove down our devastated scenic corridor this morning. Judging by the location of the utility poles it seems to me that some of the trees cut down were on Caltrans property. If so, that would mean that the trees belonged to the people of California. Can anyone confirm this?

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My guess is that the utility poles were in the public utilities easement, on the private property - this is pretty typical. You'll note utility lines crossing folks property at all sort of odd locations and angles, all by easement.

Heck, for that matter, does Caltrans really "own" the roads or property roads are on generally? I dunno.

-Dane

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jbox wrote: "If we question Hobbs' morality and ethics, we must also question Jenkel's."

Being inept at dealing with this greedy world has no relation to Mr. Jenkel's morality or ethics; neither does being a little nuts.

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i'll take goofy over greedy any day. granted jenkel has been incapable of handling his own business and this has impacted his neighbor hobbs. how would i like the access of my world class winery to be through a neighbor who can't evict drug addicted squatters? yes this is a tough situation.

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Here's the response from Whole Foods. They are not going to pull Paul Hobbs wines:

From: Brian Cofran (NC SRS)

Subject: Selling Paul Hobbs wines at Whole Foods Market
Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:36 AM

First of all, thank you for writing in to our website. We are always happy and interested to hear from our local community. I have done some research on the issue you mentioned (https://www.watchsonomacounty.com/20...nto-his-ranch/) and have found valid points on both sides. Here at Whole Foods Market one of our prime mission statements is to support our local farmers and community. The Paul Hobbs winery employs many locals and is a positive participant in our community. At this time I cannot in good faith make the decision to stop carrying his wines. I hope this decision does not stop you from shopping in our store. You are a valued customer and I hope you continue to value us as well.

"a positive participant in our community"???
Sounds like a boycott and picket in in order!

Whole Foods supports Paul Hobbs clear cutting

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Simple translation of Brian Cofran's email: When you are rich and powerful enough, you can do whatever you want.

Hope this helps.

What Can Man Do?

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Imagine you are the Attorney General and you receive this letter. What do you do with it? Throw it in the circular file where it belongs, of course. I'll say it again, John Jenkel brought all of his misfortune down on himself (and the rest of us) because of his perverse desire to keep getting shot down in flames in a spectacular fashion. When he believes he's right and everyone else is wrong he should know he's not playing with a full deck. Everyone else knows it. Not to defend Hobbs, but he is just using the legal system in a neighbor dispute and is gonna win every time due to Jenkel's right to be a goofy guy who insists on seppuku at every opportunity, If we question Hobbs' morality and ethics, we must also question Jenkel's.

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PS - He requests the AG issue an opinion that nobody can be declared a vexatious litigant? Are you kidding me?

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Dear John Box: With regards to your last statement :

"He requests the AG issue an opinion that nobody can be declared a vexatious litigant? Are you kidding me? "

That is not an accurate rendition of what Mr. Jenkel wrote. What he wrote was this :


"It is impossible for me to defend myself in civil court because I have been declared to be a vexatious litigant even though I have never been a plaintiff. Please issue an opinion that no defendant, respondent, or petitioner is a vexatious litigant."


If you will note, he says that he has "never been a plaintiff." That means that he has never sued anyone himself, nor been the initiator of a lawsuit as a Plaintiff. He has only, ever, been either a defendant, respondent, or a petitioner. I called Mr. Jenkel today on the telephone, and asked him if he would confirm this. He did. I am not in possession as of today, of any information that contradicts Mr. Jenkel's statement. Can anyone comment?

As for the legitimacy of the paperwork which he has served the Attorney General of the State of California, I, personally do not believe that it belongs in the "circular file."

Although I am not a lawyer, I think that his paperwork has some merit. His case certainly does. A grave and egregious miscarriage of Justice has taken place before us all - a man's land has been taken by the State without due process, and the Title, essentially transferred, at a "fixed" auction to his millionaire litigant neighbor. What do you suggest the man do? Roll over, shrivel up, and die? He is a fighter, and will not go gentle into that good night. I respect him for that. There is something noble in it.

As for your proclivity to denigrate the man; while you are not alone, I wonder how much of this tendency of yours is a function of your own insecurity and fear? How much of it is a function of the common tendency to either project, or transfer one's own Angst?

How much of this > very common< tendency is a manifestation of " herd instinct?" - the desire to find acceptance amongst a Group, by vilifying the unaccepted Outsider - and a subconscious, jackel instinct, to turn on the wounded, and devour them, the way hyenas do?

Franz Fanon, the noted Algerian revolutionary and psychiatrist of the '60's, wrote of how colonized peoples were "colonized" in their own minds - of how they were systemically indoctrinated through the oppressive social apparati of Colonial governments to "identify with their oppressors," and "internalize their own oppression."

The subtext of what you have written, John Box, so far, in this thread about John Jenkel , is not only that he "brought it all on himself, and the rest of us" but that if We will all just conform and not step out of line, none of this will happen to rest of us. That is, we can all avoid trouble, and live happily into our doddering eighties, rocking out at Grateful Dead tribute Festivals, and the State will leave us alone -i.e. "We will survive."

Perhaps I am missing a piece of the picture. I do not live in the west county, nor have I seen any of John Jenkel's performances at the Sebastopol city council meetings, in Court, nor before the Board of Supervisors. I do not know Mr. Jenkel well, having spoken to him a total of perhaps only six or seven times - including today. All I can say, from having spoken to him in the past, is that he is an unusual man, and is sincerely opposed to America pursuing foreign imperialist wars of aggression.

I will say that I found Jenkel's position on Willie Brown to be a little wingey.
- Perhaps, a function of his own Angst that evolved into a vendetta against former Mayor Willie Brown because Brown revoked his license to operate his horse-drawn carriage business along the Embarcadero? But I am not, at this time, in possession of all the facts, and am not in a position to either prove or disprove any of his allegations on that score.

I grew up in the threshold of a classical old-Left family. I grew up in Berkeley and north Oakland in the Sixties, was tear-gassed in '68, & saw it all come down, firsthand. On many occasions, & in many demonstrations, I have chanted, in chorus, in unison, the old lefty mantra, "An injury to one is an injury to all." Well, it is true. An injury to one is an injury to all. And that is because we are all connected. "If you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it unto Me."

This is not about John Jenkel. This is about the State establishing a precedent to seize and confiscate the property of any citizen and transfer the title, in a closed-from-the-public "Auction" to a person who is already a multi-millionaire. And that is Wrong. It fulfills the Biblical definition of the word Oppression.

Let me remind you that Alfred Dreyfus was not a likable man. None of the many supporters of Justice for the man ever maintained that he was. He was drab, unimaginative and a conformist - a career officer in the French Army. He was not very friendly - or even appreciative of the many Drefusards who eventually rose from among the French populace to see that Justice was done in his case.

The common thread here is Principle - the principle of Justice being done in Court. If the Court will not uphold the principle of Justice, then why have government at all? The whole fabric of Civil Society eventually will break down...

And that is why the local citizens of the West County - those who care about social injustice - should organize a series of town hall meetings on the subject of this particularly egregious Injustice/Land-seizure, which may evolve - if there is sufficient will among you - into a "Committee of Inquiry" that can gather and assemble all the information that is pertinent to this case, and be in a position to present that information to the 2012 Session of the Sonoma County Grand Jury.

- Mark Walter Evans

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This is not about John Jenkel. This is about the State establishing a precedent to seize and confiscate the property of any citizen and transfer the title, in a closed-from-the-public "Auction" to a person who is already a multi-millionaire. And that is Wrong. It fulfills the Biblical definition of the word Oppression.

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Let's leave the Bible out of this one, OK? No need to muddy further what is already a real mess.

The case in point in no way sets any kind of legal precedent, no way no how.

Don't believe me? Well, consider what happens (at least in the ideal case) with deadbeat dads. Mom is awarded custody of the kids and a reasonable amount of monthly support. And then Dad is so busy whooping it up with his new girlfriend that he habitually "forgets" to put the check in the mail.

I think that most of us would agree that that's a fundamentally unfair situation. Fortunately the law has a remedy. Mom is entirely within her rights to appeal to the court for help, upon which Dad's bank account can be seized, his wages attached and - oh yes - his property seized and sold at sheriff's auction to satisfy his debt.

And that's exactly, precisely, 100% the same process that was followed here.

This is a very old legal principle and goes back centuries. You might agree with it, you might not - but if you don't, I think you'd have a heck of a time trying to get the law changed.

And the law doesn't change based on whether the creditor or the debtor has more money. (I think we can all agree that that wouldn't be fair, either.)

So really - much as I'd like to say otherwise - I can really only see a few things here that are open to question:

- The conduct of the original lawsuit that led to the $350K judgement. A few hotheads have called this "based on lies" or some such but, frankly, the judge was there and saw the evidence, and you weren't. Lawsuits ARE about more than a rich person saying "My neighbor owes me $X"; there is a standard of proof that needs to be met. And since Jenkel did not appeal the judgement within the appropriate time frame, the judgement is a moot point now; unless substantial new evidence comes to light it can't be overturned now.

- The conduct of the sheriff's sale. Were the T's all crossed and the I's all dotted? Was the sale properly noticed? What ARE the noticing requirements? (And if you can't answer those questions, Mark, you're not in a good position to be calling names about the auction's supposed "secrecy"). If someone can answer these questions, and can find that something was actually done wrong, there might actually be a leg to stand on here.

- Was the clearcutting done with the appropriate permits from the county's Permit and Resource Management Department? It appears so (that's what Carillo claims anyway). Again, if it can be shown that there were irregularities in this process there might be room for complaint (but I'm not betting on it).

Other than that ... well, so vineyard #253 is going to go in on Highway 116. Personally I'm not quite sure why this one is supposed to be any more reprehensible than vineyards #1 through #252 were, but whatever. And Jenkel is, well - we all have our opinions about him, but I don't think that any of this is about him, only about what he has done. The point at which this could have all been averted, I fear, was when he decided to represent himself in the initial lawsuit against Hobbs. Everything since then has been an inevitable consequence. I think it's unfortunate, but it's frankly probably far too late to do anything about it now.

- D.F.

Your glass is half empty! How sad.

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:hmmm:...And you are saying that in response to...???:thinking::idunno:

In Response To Dan Fox

Dan Fox has written, in response to a passage that he evidently considers the week link in my argument. I had written:

"This is not about John Jenkel. This is about the State establishing a precedent to seize and confiscate the property of any citizen and transfer the title, in a closed-from-the-public "Auction" to a person who is already a multi-millionaire. And that is Wrong. It fulfills the Biblical definition of the word Oppression."

Dan Fox lit into my missive by saying:

"Let's leave the Bible out of this one, OK? No need to muddy further what is already a real mess.

The case in point in no way sets any kind of legal precedent, no way no how."

We are probably all in general agreement that the past seventeen hundred years of Religious Wars, Institutional Feudalism, Crusades, Inquisitions, Heretic burnings, Pograms directed against Jews, Witch burnings by Rome, Protestant burnings by Rome, Witch burnings by Protestants, etc. etc., ever since the time that "Christianity" was hijacked and subjected to a hostile corporate take-over by Emperor Constantine and his Imperial henchmen; as well as all the Bible-thumping that has accompanied all of the Imperialist Wars of Europe and the U.S. from the sixteenth century to the present, do muddy the picture of the “Biblical definition” of anything.

But I disagree that the Bible has no place in a discussion of this sort. The Bible is still one of the four pillars - or Sources - if you will, of Law in the English-speaking world. The other three being: Grecian Law, Roman Law, and Anglo-Saxon Common Law. That’s pretty much a given, Dan. You can take it, or leave it, as you will.

Let's just call it an expression of the higher, Moral Law.

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...&aqi=&aql=&oq=

The word Oppression is listed in Black’s Law Dictionary. The Biblical definition and usage of the term – ( there are several Hebrew words for Oppression in the Scriptures) expands on the shades of meaning of the one word we use in English. Passages and principles from the Bible may be cited in Common Law proceedings. The Bible, containing the Torah, a code of 613 moral laws, is also useful as a collection and compendium of chronicles, parables, and stories that will always retain cultural and historical significance.

Case in point: The coveting and seizure of Naboth’s vineyard by bad King Ahab, in 1 Kings, 21 – a story that is very germaine and relevant to the case we are discussing; and one that sheds much light on this situation. Here is a link. Check it out: https://worldebible.com/1_kings/21.htm

“The case in point in no way sets any kind of legal precedent, no way no how,”

I did not say ”legal precedent.” I said it established "a precedent” – nothing more. An in-your-face precedent of the sort that the power elite are always dangling in front of the body politic, to test the current social climate, and see what they can get away with. If we let them get away with this, then we can expect more of it. And, no, I do not agree that this thing can not be reversed.

“… consider what happens (at least in the ideal case) with deadbeat dads. Mom is awarded custody of the kids and a reasonable amount of monthly support. And then Dad is so busy whooping it up with his new girlfriend that he habitually "forgets" to put the check in the mail."

This simile of yours is not a fitting parallel, in my opinion, but does furnish material for a rather amusing Cartoon: Imagine, if you will, Paul Hobbs, wearing a dress, and with wig, children in tow, before the Bench, with offending former husband, farmer John, in overalls, straw hat in hand, being reprimanded by the scolding Judge, who says: “Since you are in arrears on your child support payments, you must pay Paula here $350,000, a just and reasonable recompense for your wayward negligence for not providing for your own kith and kin.”

It’s ludicrous, Dan. I think you will agree that not only does the punishment not fit the crime – if, indeed, crimes there were; this, also, is not an accurate picture of what happened in this case.

"I think that most of us would agree that that's a fundamentally unfair situation. Fortunately the law has a remedy. Mom is entirely within her rights to appeal to the court for help, upon which Dad's bank account can be seized, his wages attached and - oh yes - his property seized and sold at sheriff's auction to satisfy his debt."

Yes, I agree, one hundred per cent. That is a legitimate function of the Court - although it is one that is often abused.

"And that's exactly, precisely, 100% the same process that was followed here."

Again, I disagree, and for the same reason: your parable/parallel, does not fit the situation before us. The story about Naboth's vineyard does.

"This is a very old legal principle and goes back centuries. You might agree with it, you might not - but if you don't, I think you'd have a heck of a time trying to get the law changed."

Of course. No one can change any old, established legal principles; none at all. Only unjust laws and judgments may be changed and overturned. And in my humble opinion - as an outsider, who just learned last Friday the news of this thing, that has been unfolding since late April - this was an unjust judgment. I just feel it in my bones - as a Sonoma county property owner, and as a human…

"So really - much as I'd like to say otherwise - I can really only see a few things here that are open to question:

- The conduct of the original lawsuit that led to the $350K judgment. A few hotheads have called this "based on lies" or some such but, frankly, the judge was there and saw the evidence, and you weren't. Lawsuits ARE about more than a rich person saying "My neighbor owes me $X"; there is a standard of proof that needs to be met."

No, I was not there - to my chagrin. Can anyone who was there, in the Court, and witnessed this Decision, please come forth, and elucidate for the rest of we poor wayward stragglers the details of what went down? - What “evidence?” - What was the process by which the Judge arrived at the rather fabulous sum of $350,000 ? Are we to just assume that the “standard of proof” was met? - Was it? Again, this is why I think there ought to be a “Committee of Inquiry” into this case, set up as an objective “People’s Court.”

"And since Jenkel did not appeal the judgement within the appropriate time frame, the judgement is a moot point now; unless substantial new evidence comes to light it can't be overturned now."

I am not qualified to offer an opinion on this matter. Was the Appeal, indeed, not filed in a timely fashion? John Jenkel, from his statements on the phone yesterday, seems to think that it is not too late. Perhaps he is correct.

"The conduct of the sheriff's sale. Were the T's all crossed and the I's all dotted? Was the sale properly noticed? What ARE the noticing requirements? (And if you can't answer those questions, Mark, you're not in a good position to be calling names about the auction's supposed "secrecy"). If someone can answer these questions, and can find that something was actually done wrong, there might actually be a leg to stand on here."

All I know about this case to date, I have learned from three sources: First, there are the half-forgotten details that John Jenkel told me four years ago, in 2007, about his then-current problems with the winery neighbor to whom he had granted an easement through his property. [I had jumped his fence, to pay him a visit, to talk with him about the bleak prospect of endless War.] Also, what I have read in this thread, and the article in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat.

Posters to this thread have stated that the “Sale” was done in an obscure room in the back of the Sheriff’s Department, with deputy sheriffs in riot gear standing at the door; that it was improperly “posted” – and that Paul Hobbs was the only bidder. Who does know?

This is why we need a ”Committee of Inquiry” – a non-governmental body of concerned citizens: preferably local, petit-bourgeois landowners who have a stake of their own to lose, who also feel, in their bones, that Justice has not been done in this case.

- Mark Walter Evans

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The Bible is still one of the four pillars - or Sources - if you will, of Law in the English-speaking world. The other three being: Grecian Law, Roman Law, and Anglo-Saxon Common Law. That’s pretty much a given, Dan. You can take it, or leave it, as you will.

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What about the full body of Jewish Law itself (as differentiated from the occasional accounts of divine and prophetic judgment recounted in scripture)? I believe that centuries of Jewish jurisprudence laid the foundation for many of the forms of legal reasoning practiced in the courtrooms of England and the US (and probably most courts in Europe). I suspect the silence regarding Jewish legal authority in US jurisprudence is an artifact of Christian and English anti-Semitism.

NO, I'm not a "hypervigillant" Jew. I'm not Jewish. Christian and Anglo-aristocratic anti-Jewish bigotry is just the obvious explanation of why English legal practices (which US courts inheritted) disregard Jewish legal precedents and pretend they played no part in the development of English or US law.

Bigotry can be so fully integrated into our cultural norms so fully that we don't even notice it.

the question for me is was jenkel treated fairly? if you believe the civil and criminal justice system treats everyone fairly then please educate yourself. the question now is what can an average citizen do if they believe someone was treated unfairly by both local government and neighbor?

paul hobbs is vulnerable to citizen questioning because the wine business is extremely sensitive to perception. reviews, letters to stores ect are effective in changing corporate policy. there is always plenty of choice in how law is enforced, no matter what the enforcers say.

as someone willing to question government and corporate process jenkel's experience scares me. i often receive the advice, don't do or say that ross, they will get you. you seem to have taken that advice d fox.

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Let's leave the Bible out of this one, OK? No need to muddy further what is already a real mess.

The case in point in no way sets any kind of legal precedent, no way no how.

Don't believe me? Well, consider what happens (at least in the ideal case) with deadbeat dads. Mom is awarded custody of the kids and a reasonable amount of monthly support. And then Dad is so busy whooping it up with his new girlfriend that he habitually "forgets" to put the check in the mail.

I think that most of us would agree that that's a fundamentally unfair situation. Fortunately the law has a remedy. Mom is entirely within her rights to appeal to the court for help, upon which Dad's bank account can be seized, his wages attached and - oh yes - his property seized and sold at sheriff's auction to satisfy his debt.

And that's exactly, precisely, 100% the same process that was followed here.

This is a very old legal principle and goes back centuries. You might agree with it, you might not - but if you don't, I think you'd have a heck of a time trying to get the law changed.

And the law doesn't change based on whether the creditor or the debtor has more money. (I think we can all agree that that wouldn't be fair, either.)

So really - much as I'd like to say otherwise - I can really only see a few things here that are open to question:

- The conduct of the original lawsuit that led to the $350K judgement. A few hotheads have called this "based on lies" or some such but, frankly, the judge was there and saw the evidence, and you weren't. Lawsuits ARE about more than a rich person saying "My neighbor owes me $X"; there is a standard of proof that needs to be met. And since Jenkel did not appeal the judgement within the appropriate time frame, the judgement is a moot point now; unless substantial new evidence comes to light it can't be overturned now.

- The conduct of the sheriff's sale. Were the T's all crossed and the I's all dotted? Was the sale properly noticed? What ARE the noticing requirements? (And if you can't answer those questions, Mark, you're not in a good position to be calling names about the auction's supposed "secrecy"). If someone can answer these questions, and can find that something was actually done wrong, there might actually be a leg to stand on here.

- Was the clearcutting done with the appropriate permits from the county's Permit and Resource Management Department? It appears so (that's what Carillo claims anyway). Again, if it can be shown that there were irregularities in this process there might be room for complaint (but I'm not betting on it).

Other than that ... well, so vineyard #253 is going to go in on Highway 116. Personally I'm not quite sure why this one is supposed to be any more reprehensible than vineyards #1 through #252 were, but whatever. And Jenkel is, well - we all have our opinions about him, but I don't think that any of this is about him, only about what he has done. The point at which this could have all been averted, I fear, was when he decided to represent himself in the initial lawsuit against Hobbs. Everything since then has been an inevitable consequence. I think it's unfortunate, but it's frankly probably far too late to do anything about it now.

- D.F.

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What about the full body of Jewish Law itself (as differentiated from the occasional accounts of divine and prophetic judgment recounted in scripture)? I believe that centuries of Jewish jurisprudence laid the foundation for many of the forms of legal reasoning practiced in the courtrooms of England and the US (and probably most courts in Europe). I suspect the silence regarding Jewish legal authority in US jurisprudence is an artifact of Christian and English anti-Semitism.

NO, I'm not a "hypervigillant" Jew. I'm not Jewish. Christian and Anglo-aristocratic anti-Jewish bigotry is just the obvious explanation of why English legal practices (which US courts inheritted) disregard Jewish legal precedents and pretend they played no part in the development of English or US law.

Bigotry can be so fully integrated into our cultural norms so fully that we don't even notice it.

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In the Library of the Diaspora Yeshiva, on Mount Zion, just outside the Wall of the Old City in Jerusalem, there is a Wall of books, eight feet high, and approximately fifty feet long. It is really a very awesome collection of books, all in Hebrew, and all beautifully bound, or rebound, as the case may be; some of them are very old, and very much out of print... It is an awesome room, this library, and a priceless collection of books. This is the full extent of the written, printed version of the Gemorrah, the Oral tradition, of the Jewish heritage. It includes, for basic starters, the Misnah, the Midrash, and the Talmud.

Very little of this material has made it into the Anglo-Norman body of the textus recepticus of Western Law. It is pretty much exclusively a Jewish treasure, and written, as I said, in Hebrew. It is the body of Rabbinic Wisdom-literature, and very few souls on earth even know about it. Only Rabbis, Rabbinic scholars, and Rabbinic students have ever read any significant portion of it.

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...Talmud,&nfpr=1

As far as Anglo-Norman Law goes, in general, even the 613 commandments of the Torah, that were handed down to Moses on the Mount do not rate as Law that Gentiles are required to keep, in the civic polis. They are also considered, in Anglo-Norman Jurisprudence, to be entirely a Jewish Affair. That portion of the Bible - from the Book of Exodus - that has made it into the fabric, and forms an essential part of the Foundation, and Structure of English Common Law, is the Ten Commandments. The Tenth of which, by the way, says "Thou Shalt not covet thy neighbor's house ... nor any thing that is thy neighbor's." A Commandment, I suggest, that Mr. Paul Hobbs, winery millionaire, has very pro-actively transgressed, in the case before us.

The most historically significant element of the Bible, I venture to say - the most forward-reaching, Progressive aspect, that really has counted for very much, in English, and subsequent Yankee history - are the Prophets, the Ha-Neviim, and their polemics against the Oppression of the Poor by the Rich. Once the Bible was translated into English, and copies became available for the general public to read, in the English language after 1611 (with the publication of the King James Bible) a remarkable thing happened: a whole generation of religious radicals grew up, who became educated and aware of what the Prophets - including Yahshua and the Apostles - had actually said.

They came to see that wicked kings, like Zedekiah, or even just foolhardy kings like Charles the first, were accountable to the Realm, and could be held accountable for their Capital crimes against the People - for instance, Charles I, making War against his own people. This is the aspect of the Puritan Revolution in England, that gripped the English Nation in the 1640's, that was a bi-product of the People becoming familiar with the radical, prophetic texts of the Ha'Neviim - the texts that, a Marxist might say, indicated a certain amount of Class-consciousness.

- Mark Walter Evans
www.paleoprogressives.org

Jeepers! Good intentions aside this does not get clearer with the Bible and dead beat dads as added reference.
So let me get it right. This is OK, and we can expect more of the same,and there is little room for complaint? What America are you from? Forgive me,but I am still digesting the words clear cut, and scenic corridor in the same sentence. It makes me wonder with an arched eyebrow "Who do you work for Mr.Carrillo"? and "Where the hell are you from Mr.Hobbs"?I suppose I am not hearing the muttering bubbles of apology because he has his head so deeply imbedded up his ass the sound is inaudible.Disregard all around.This whole deal is OK because it is justified retaliation for a fallen Redwood.Really?I am sure there was an insurance claim filed. Puleeeze. The Graton fire station which we all need because we live in a forest ,for now anyway was built in a Christmas Tree farm,and look there are still Christmas Trees! I am not convinced there was not a better way, and I am going to continue to complain as much as I think is necessary. THIS IS NOT RIGHT,and I don't need anybody to help me see that. Picket on Burn day and Boycott whole foods and other local store that carry his products until he steps up right.

Here's a much simpler way to unsubscribe from individual email updates from this or other threads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYgh9zPd4h4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYgh9zPd4h4

A Simple Solution :

The only way for the West County community to achieve clarity – or a grounded collective understanding of the Reality of what happened in the case of the hostile takeover by the Paul Hobbs winery of half of the acreage of John Jenkel, stormy petrel of 9/11, is for local activists and concerned citizens to put their shoulders to the plow, and do the necessary hard work to organize a town hall meeting - in either Graton or Sebastopol - and publicly open up the can of worms to general scrutiny.

The devil, as they say, is in the details, and it is the minutia of this case – the Question of how it happened, and the apparent injustice of it, that is puzzling people now.

The Town Hall Meeting – a venerable tradition in rural New England, is the appropriate venue in which an exposition of the details of the Issue can be made. It is the proper, civil way in which concerned citizens may examine this Issue, decently and in order.

All of the Principals: Paul Hobbs, John Jenkel, Supervisor Ernest Carillo, Superior Court Judges Dean Beaupre, Rene Auguste Chouteau, and Gary Nadler, Sheriff-Coroner Steve Freitas; Ben Neuman of the PRMD, etc., etc., should be invited to come and speak and be allowed to read their own prepared statements. If any of the Principals who are invited to come should opt not to put in an appearance or read a Public statement at the Town Hall meeting, their absence will be a matter of Public Record, and they will be conspicuous by their absence.

The whole production should be recorded on film, and anyone who wishes to film the proceedings themselves should also be allowed to do that.

There should be a period of Q & A, in which the principals may be allowed to question each other, and be allotted sufficient time to answer every Question in full.

There should be a certain amount of time allotted for the Public to make statements, offer testimony, or ask questions of the principals.

At the conclusion of the hearing, John Jenkel and Paul Hobbs should both be allowed to offer their own ex tempore summary comments on the Issue, as they see it, personally.

If, after all this has been said and done, Questions still remain in the minds of some people about the “justice” or injustice of the matter =OR= if it becomes manifest to most people that in fact “Justice” was not served, then a Committee of Inquiry, made up of concerned citizens may evolve out of the town hall meeting, to tackle the issue of what to do next…

- Mark Walter Evans

My recent e mail to Jenkel with more action items for ya'll to consider. Please let him know if you want to help in some way.

John Jenkel


707-823-7083
[email protected]


Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 12:09:26 PM
Subject: The question of War Powers anywhere & use of Marshall Law in Graton

Hi John,

I'm sorry my need to rest my injuries prevented me from trying to get the film crew from the Board of Supervisors meeting yesterday, to go to your farm after they went to the Bohemian Grove. The issues of the Grove have been well documented; yours have not, in the way which is needed. You and I know how some of the folks from the Grove empower those who are enabling harm to you and I, and our country. Deborah, and the film makers need to understand this better.

I'm glad you all were able to get on the same page of a few key issues; and you agreed to consider hiring them for a 10 minute production on your top issues; which I suggest are the ones in the subject line of this e mail.

I talked to Tony, the Producer of KSRO morning news, re: the War Powers Act being Constitutional, or not; he thinks it is, and has won each time it was challenged in court. (He also denies weather modification is really going on.)

The War Powers Act did not amend the Constitution.

Perhaps you should explain to him, and everyone else, in a 3 minute version, why the War Powers Act is not Constitutional; and what the Public needs to do to change it.

Today this is the hot issue in DC. EVERYONE, especially you, need to take this message to the State Capitol. There is no other way we can solve the local, State, and federal budget problems, unless Congress ends, PL107-243, and all others like it; to de-fund unconstitutional war.

Bringing your message, on your horse drawn carriage billboard; and on paper via foot, by as many folks as can come into the Legislators' office this week; would get the needed attention these issues need right NOW.

Getting a permit from the CHP to do this would not be hard. Doing it the right way, could get you the right kind of press coverage; to show you as a new Paul Revere - calling on everyone to wake up to the fact that each elected official must uphold their oath of office, to support and defend the Constitution, or be impeached & re-called, and/or, not be re-elected.

Don't be a fool alone on hill. You are not getting the needed results with just your small team, and signs only on your last stand of fence and trees there. I have helped bring your critical truth, in an independent manner, to the awareness of many effective people; it's time to work with the force of the public to get justice.

Even though I'm seriously injured, both physically, after being raped, assaulted, rear ended 2 times in a year; as well as, emotionally with the perpetrator and enablers of these crimes un-convicted, and holding full legal and physical custody of my child; I demonstrate daily delivery of important info to you from the manipulated press.

I am a critical filter for the most important truths on earth. Every time you turn your back on me, you waste our time to work on refining the key solutions, and getting the masses on board. You will not get Cogress to clean itself up without the masses enrolled.

Once you see that, you'll see how Songs for a Cease Fire is the best way to do that, beyond getting legislation to end strike-first policies. This is the cart which needs to get behind your horse.

I'm not afraid to speak all this truth to power; while I insist all these powers speak the truth. This is why I will run for office; I know it's the best way to get an incumbent to work right now, on behalf of their constituents; for a primary election to come in just a year.

Getting you your own website, which you could easily maintain; and helping to produce a new chapter of your story on video to put up on this site; is critical to helping an even wider audience, from which to put pressure on Congress to end unconstitutional mass murder, in all countries we are conducting it in.

Don't view what Deborah and the other folks are focused on as competition to your issues, they can be worked to complement and enhance each other's success.

I can find the original footage of the one I produced for you several years ago; this could get transferred to digital to go up on the site as well, so folks can see the history and evolution of your efforts.

Getting photos of Hobbs land rape needs to be continued with each change, this is an additional link for your website which needs to be managed. I've been doing this sort of thing since 2005. I have too much to do, to do it all, and I'm in great pain as I sit at my computer; which is why I want Ruth and Ned to do their parts to produce the Abuse News, etc.

(Any one else here have photos, please email them to me.)

The project Producers, both website and video, need to know what kind of budget you can afford. I suggested to Ruth a contract and proposal to have $300 to get the basic website started. Getting the videos online will be more, don't have an estimate just yet; but folks on Wacco have posted the tools for doing this for free.

I suggest to you to have a local company, Sonic, be your new website host. I also suggest you use them for cable/cel phone/landline (with unlimited long distance) and Internet Service Provider, this comes with e mail and one free website hosting.

I have their phone and web services, they are reliable. Also, the owner, Dane Jasper, is on WaccoBB.net. He seems sympathetic to your issues with Hobbs.

Another important piece of accounting for you; which would be of great value for the public to know, is how much of each mortgage did you continue to pay after the County and Hobbs claimed to own it? Now that Hobbs is getting new lawyers, this is even more important.

We have come too far for you to continue to pretend to misunderstand which side I'm on. It's not just yours OR mine; I'm on the side of the American people, as well as, every citizen on this earth; even the ones committing the atrocities. I want justice, not death.

This is the only way to create an inheritable future for everyone's kids and grandkids.

Let's make this Father's Day be great one for you and your family; let me help you with that too. It could do you all a world of good, and mend some old wounds. It would help your case with Hobbs and the County, to have your family on your side.

I know this is very painful for you to consider; but know that you have the power each day, to design a different outcome, if you're willing to do your best; control your anger. No one deserves to be yelled at.

I think it would be very helpful if these folks, with the Eagle Forum below, understood your issues better, so they could be more informed as they work for the greater good of our country, no matter what religious, or political belief one has.

:waccosun: Patriotically,

Colleen Fernald

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Film Maker Anthony Hilder's site:

https://www.freeworldfilmworks.com

Santa Barbara City Council meeting on weather modification
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd6kRZTAY_0

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Conference in Sacramento this weekend:

Eagle Forum of California

https://www.eagleforumofcalifornia.com/
https://www.eventbrite.com/event/1797914611

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2 stories on illegal use of force by our military:

https://warisacrime.org/content/cong...-end-libya-war

Congress Members Sue Obama to End Libya War

Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2011-06-15 16:09

On Wednesday in federal court, 10 members of the U.S. Congress sued President Obama in an attempt to end U.S. involvement in a war in Libya.

These are the plaintiffs: Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Walter Jones (R-NC), Howard Coble (R-NC), John Duncan (R-TN), Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD), John Conyers (D-MI), Ron Paul (R-TX), Michael Capuano (D-MA), Tim Johnson (R-IL), and Dan Burton (R-IN).

According to a statement from Congressman Kucinich:

"The lawsuit calls for injunctive and declaratory relief to protect the plaintiffs and the country from (1) the policy that a president may unilaterally go to war in Libya and other countries without a declaration of war from Congress, as required by Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution; (2) the policy that a president may commit the United States to a war under the authority of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in violation of the express conditions of the North Atlantic Treaty ratified by Congress; (3) the policy that a president may commit the United States to a war under the authority of the United Nations without authorization from Congress; (4) from the use of previously appropriated funds by Congress for an unconstitutional and unauthorized war in Libya or other countries; and (5) from the violation of the War Powers Resolution as a result of the Obama Administration’s established policy that the President does not require congressional authorization for the use of military force in wars like the one in Libya."...

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House Republican leader Boehner warns Obama over Libya


https://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_libya_congress

by Susan Cornwell – Tue Jun 14, 7:53 pm ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters)

House Speaker John Boehner warned President Barack Obama on Tuesday that he was skating on thin legal ice by keeping U.S. forces involved in Libya for nearly three months without the authorization of Congress.
The letter from the Republican leader of the House of Representatives to the Democratic president threatened to turn lawmakers' unease over the Libyan conflict into a clash between Congress and the White House over constitutional powers.

Boehner accused Obama of "a refusal to acknowledge and respect the role of Congress" in military operations and a "lack of clarity" about why the U.S. was still involved in Libya.

He asked Obama to explain the legal grounds for the war by Friday, adding that by Sunday Obama would be in violation of the 1973 War Powers Resolution if nothing changed.

The Constitution says that Congress declares war, while the president is commander-in-chief of the armed forces. The War Powers Resolution sought to resolve the tensions in these roles and was passed by Congress over a veto by President Richard Nixon...

[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]

Hello Neighbors, I am glad to hear this fight for change continues.Aside From Mr.Jenkel who has been left standing in the ruins of his homeland, Not a peep or shrug from the principle parties, and I am not surprised given my perception of their intentions and character. It is good to know that we are all not so fat and happy,(complacent and apathetic) that nothing outside of ourselves matters. There are many small fires burning around these issues I want to assure you all. This will go viral in a big way in the next week,and I highly recommend a continued presence on Yelp.com to express your thoughts on habitat destruction for Humans for Mr. Hobbs LLC profit margin.Simply log onto Yelp go to Paul Hobbs winery and emote freely.They have no way to delete the input and his rating will directly be unfavorably impacted.It will open the issue even further and keep it alive.So you see you can do just a small part by speaking up, and typing a few of your own valuable thoughts on the place we love and call home.Never underestimate the power of a few directed well intentioned people.In my experience, when you are a witness to Injustice or Wrongdoing and are passionately moved yet sits quietly you get Cancer.This is no time in America to hold back good thought and action.Just one mans opinion.........greenbuddy

Hats off to the folks at Hobbs winery for achieving the impossible: Making John Jenkel into a sympathetic character.

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Today I checked Yelp. Paul Hobbs Winery is down to a 2-star rating. It had 2 1/2 stars when I posted my comment several days ago.

Of the current 9 reviews, only 3 are positive; all the other reviews are recommending a boycott.

Here is a direct link to Hobbs Winery on Yelp, where your comment can help eliminate Paul Hobbs from the itineraries of this summer's Wine-Country visitors.

Perhaps wine-country tour companies should be made aware of our sentiments as well.


https://www.yelp.com/biz/paul-hobbs-winery-forestville

Dateline, June 14, 2011, WASHINGTON'S BLOG:


"Pentagon Papers Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg Says That
the Government Has ORDERED the Media Not to Cover 9/11"

https://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...er-daniel.html


To quote from WASHINGTON'S BLOG:


"What Does Ellsberg Say? "

"Ellsberg says that the government has ordered the media not to cover 9/11:
Ellsberg seemed hardly surprised that today's American mainstream broadcast media has so far failed to take [former FBI translator and 9/11 whistleblower Sibel] Edmonds up on her offer, despite the blockbuster nature of her allegations [which Ellsberg calls "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers"].

As Edmonds has also alluded, Ellsberg pointed to the New York Times, who "sat on the NSA spying story for over a year" when they "could have put it out before the 2004 election, which might have changed the outcome."

"There will be phone calls going out to the media saying 'don't even think of touching it, you will be prosecuted for violating national security,'" he told us.

"I am confident that there is conversation inside the Government as to 'How do we deal with Sibel?'" contends Ellsberg. "The first line of defense is to ensure that she doesn't get into the media. I think any outlet that thought of using her materials would go to to the government and they would be told 'don't touch this . . . .'" He [Ellsberg] supports a new 9/11 investigation.

He says that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". (Here's some of what that whistleblower says.) He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11.

And he says that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of those in office, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this)."

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We all know that our local daily, the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, known as the Times Light (as in Bud Light) by the smart alecs among us, and which has given local 9/11 dissident John Jenkel such “wonderful press,” is an affiliate of the New York Times.

Consider, also, this missive from WASHINGTON'S BLOG,
May 25, 2011:

https://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...n-be-kept.html

One begins to wonder just how far-fetched the so-called “conspiracy theories” of Citizen John Jenkel really are…

- Mark Walter Evans

I just added my own review. Wanted to urge others to do the same. I know very little about the history John Jenkel's "antics", but the travesty of justice (money and power succeeding in taking land from the "little guy") and destruction of land/redwoods along a scenic corridor motivates me to join the boycott. It feels good to have "Yelp" as a way of expressing my opinion with some real impact. Hope you will all do the same!

I would like to recommend " The Last Mountain" a documentary that opened in SF this week at the Embarcadero Cinema because it's brings up the same issue of big business's hold on politicians the freedom this allows them to engage in horrific practices to profit, in this case, from coal extraction in Appalachia.

It's a horrifying look at "mountaintop removal" in West Virginia by Massey Energy, the third largest US coal mining company -- its control of politicians, disregard for environmental laws virtually without consequence, and the devastation of small nearby coal mining communities beneath the mountain, from contamination, flooding, high incidents of death from cancer. The film Is also about a small coal mining community that has been fighting back with the help of robert kennedy Jr. against a Goliath that makes Paul Hobbes Winery seem like a tiny ant by comparison, although the issues are eerily the same.

https://www.movingpicturesnetwork.co...entary-review/

I have visited John Jenkle many times... He's a Good man. he's from a good California Family. that sent him to Stanford University. He's smart. He's a farmer type guy who works his ass off and loves his horses. Good rich people are rare nowadays.
He thinks lawyers are all snakes. and Hobbs lawyers are taking advantage of this. knowing John will not fiight them with lawyers.

God damn these winery bastards. John Jenkle gave them easment to get to their land on the condition that they not disturb these big old trees he loved on his property. Once they got what they wanted from him, they turn into assholes. that are now
blighting hiway 116 and imposing on all of us. Evil Winery. Hobbs is an evil winery. Please people help John. he's a loner, and his reasons for being so are manifesting in ways that will hurt all of us.
Who Im I? Im a Service Connected Disability retired Sonoma County systems support tech Service Connected Disabled United States Marine Corps veteran. Im a patriotic American. and what they have done to john Jenkle is being done to all of us.

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God Bless you Barry for stepping up on this one. This one is big, wrong and evil.

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God Bless you Barry for stepping up on this one. This one is big, wrong and evil.

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I have visited John Jenkle many times... He's a Good man. he's from a good California Family. that sent him to Stanford University. He's smart. He's a farmer type guy who works his ass off and loves his horses. Good rich people are rare nowadays.
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I have mixed feelings. As a Sebastopol resident (and a Stanford man), I'd like to understand better what happened in court in Hobbs v. Jenkel and in the process of the forced sales of Jenkel's parcel(s). But as an attorney I'm put off by Jenkel's apparent knee-jerk dislike of lawyers. As others have said, he apparently screwed himself over in court and refused professional help that might have made a big difference. Regardless, if anyone can collect the relevant pleadings from the case (the complaint, any motions e.g. for summary judgment, whatever Jenkel may have filed, and any rulings issued by the court), whether from Jenkel or the courthouse (where they are pubic record and can be had for the cost of photocopying), I would be happy to read them and provide the evaluation of an experienced litigator. Private communication would be fine to coordinate this. Cheers, Rico

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Whatever the merits of this case, I'd like to see this Stanford referencing go away. It is not a reference that attests to any ethical integrity or to any ability to think critically. This has been true from the founding. With the present excuses advanced by the university president and the academic senate and various faculty regarding the sanctity of tenure, it has reached a new low in ethical integrity and a new high in hypocrisy with its harboring of Condi RIce.

I've dealt with one honest lawyer in my life. That's it, though. The rest have been lower than a mafia guy I had to deal with decades ago. No regrets there.

Did you hear the one about why the school of piranha didn’t strip the flesh off a boatload of attorneys that tipped over into the water during an excursion? When asked why they hadn’t made lunch of them, one piranha responded, “Well, they’re lawyers. Professional courtesy, you know.”

/mhqc/ Stanford ’68 & 2000

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Question for Rico,

How do lawyers justify an hourly rate 10 to 50 times what the rest of us non-professionals earn, not to mention the exorbitant percentage of settlements they take?

In "Long White Robe" Danny Sorentino sings:

Now I know I wasn't all that I could be
And at the gate, there will be a long line in front of me
And everyone is pushing forward
Don't wanna get stuck back with all the lawyers
When I go let me wear my long white robe

Now most people don't seem to be worried 'bout where they're bound
Everyone's thinking they're going up when they're going down
You ain't going to be playing no golden flute
You're going to be wearing that asbestos suit
When I go, wanna wear my long white robe

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How do lawyers justify an hourly rate 10 to 50 times what the rest of us non-professionals earn, not to mention the exorbitant percentage of settlements they take?

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This is a rat's nest of a discussion, but I'm dumb enough to jump in. The simplest answer is because people are willing to pay it; if they weren't, fees would go down, just like any other good or service in a market economy. (Why does the same bottle of lemonade cost twice as much at Pacific Market as at Andy's? Shop around!)

I have never heard of a fee arrangement where the lawyer gets a percentage of a settlement or judgment PLUS an hourly fee. It's more common to have a hybrid arrangement where the client pays an hourly fee that is capped at some total OR a percentage of the settlement or judgment, IF there is one. Many lawyers work for contingency fees ONLY, which means that if they lose, they get nothing, i.e. they take all the risk and eat all the expenses. (E.g. A one-day deposition, which is a short one, can cost a few hundred dollars for the reporter and her fees for transcripts, "computer time," etc.) For each "exorbitant percentage" that a contingency lawyer takes, he typically works on several cases where he not only gets no fee whatsoever, but has paid significant money out of pocket along the way.

But how did that lawyer get in that lucky position in the first place? Well, he went to law school and likely emerged deeply in debt after 3-4 years, easily $100,000 worth these days. Then he took the bar exam, which in California weeds out about half the hopefuls. (The passage rate in the most recent exam in February was 42.3% overall, 55% for first-time takers.) Wanna risk $100K in debt and end up with no license to practice? Join the fun!

Then there are these annoying little things called, in California, the Rules of Professional Responsibility, a.k.a. legal ethics, which are policed by the state bar and under which you can lose your license for any number of reasons. Have you ever forgotten to deposit a check or not balanced your check book for a month or two or made an arithmetic error when you did? Pity the lawyer that ever does anything like that with a client's money.

Also consider that the typical law firm has one support person per lawyer -- a receptionist, administrative assistants, law clerks, paralegals, a bookkeeper, a runner to file things at the courthouse, an IT person for chrissake. All these people have to get paid out of the hourly fee for the lawyer's time. Try paying those people with contingency fee promises.

Then there's the little matter of professional liability insurance, a.k.a. legal malpractice insurance. It ain't cheap. And be sure to pay the rent on your office, too, and the guy who comes to fix the photocopier seemingly every week.

Finally, you do all this for the privilege for helping a client get out of a jam he usually created for himself, and when you do your reward is to be the one person the client can complain to because his own screw-up cost him as much as it did. (Never mind that it was a lot less than it would have been without you. You're the face of his problem, so enjoy his "gratitude.")

All that said, a lot of lawyers are jerks or worse. But their fees are usually the least of it.

Hope this helps.
Rico

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I suspect the average person has little idea of the earnings of corporate executives and some business owners. When you make your living by serving the needs of at best a few dozen people, there's not a lot of revenue potential. Thus the disparity between rock-star and teacher earnings, for example. Lawyers and doctors seem to be the highest-paid professionals that most people encounter, and so they, along with afore-mentioned rockstars and sports figures, get the wrath. Oh yeah, politicians too - they make more than the average.
But the amount of wealth that sloshes around far from the eyes of the common ilk is staggering. Lawyers (and doctors, these days) are starting to get the same pressures from off-shore services (e.g. law clerks and radiologic technicians in Mumbai) as machinists and welders have been having - so don't worry. They'll be in the same slow boat soon.

It continues to amaze me that our beloved West County community who preaches peace, love and progressiveness repeatedly assumes what other say to be the truth with very little additional information.

I am sure that some of you know facts, maybe someone even knows all the facts, but I am also quite sure that most responding here are deriving their information from this thread and a few articles.

I don't know all the facts and I am not defending Mr. Hobbs, but I do have personal knowledge that he tried to relocate some of the redwood trees - haven't seen that noted anywhere.

And, as much as I love the waccobb experience (it has done many great things for me) I question the ability to go "viral" with possible incomplete information. I also do not believe that Mr. Hobbs or Mr. Jenkle for that matter, are required to respond to anyone's accusations, except the authorities. A similar situation happened last year with a post that several people jumped on the tar-and-feather wagon and then it just petered out as there was nothing to back it up.

We have strong feelings about the destruction of trees and yet we have no qualms about the destruction of a man.

Just the Facts, Ma'am…

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It continues to amaze me that our beloved West County community who preaches peace, love and progressiveness repeatedly assumes what other say to be the truth with very little additional information.

I am sure that some of you know facts, maybe someone even knows all the facts, but I am also quite sure that most responding here are deriving their information from this thread and a few articles.

I don't know all the facts and I am not defending Mr. Hobbs, but I do have personal knowledge that he tried to relocate some of the redwood trees - haven't seen that noted anywhere.

And, as much as I love the waccobb experience (it has done many great things for me) I question the ability to go "viral" with possible incomplete information. I also do not believe that Mr. Hobbs or Mr. Jenkle for that matter, are required to respond to anyone's accusations, except the authorities. A similar situation happened last year with a post that several people jumped on the tar-and-feather wagon and then it just petered out, as there was nothing to back it up.

We have strong feelings about the destruction of trees and yet we have no qualms about the destruction of a man.

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Let us not be afraid to take this issue on, and stay with it, and not “just let it peter out.” Let us establish a Fact-finding Committee. Let us begin by establishing some of the Facts, as they may be ascertained, and are known:

A) John Jenkel is a Stanford man; he graduated at the age of twenty-one. He came from a good family. He is smart. Facts.

B) John Jenkel purchased his original 15 acres on hwy 116, in 1965, at the age of twenty-six, with his own hard-earned money – and with only a little help towards the down payment, from his wealthy father. Fact.

C) All his adult life, John Jenkel has been a hard-working man - as a building contractor, rancher & horseman. He was rich; once, and was, for years, a respected member of the Graton & Sebastopol Community. He raised his children – four of them, in the Community. Fact.

D) John Jenkel has always been – and still is - a registered Republican; from the Secular, Humanist, Constitutionalist wing of the Republican Party. Fact.

E) John Jenkel used to work for the Bohemian Grove - as the driver of his own team of horses; he pulled the Casket in their “Cremation of Care Ceremony” for many years. Fact.

F) In 1998, A young wiz-kid vintner, Paul Hobbs, and his brother Matthew Hobbs, bought nineteen land-locked acres adjacent, and just to the North of Mr. Jenkel’s 15 acres on hwy 116. Fact.

G) The Hobbs brothers approached Mr. Jenkel and asked him if he would grant them an easement through his property so that they could gain access by road to their land-locked 19 acres; allowing them to build a winery – which was represented to Mr. Jenkel as a wooden, Mid-Western style, Barn. Fact.

H) John Jenkel agreed to grant them this easement; asking for no money at all – merely the consideration: 1) That they would leave intact, and agree not to log a grove of sixty trees which he loved, that were one hundred and twenty-five years old, adjacent to his own land, and 2) That they would grant an easement for a Public trail along the northern boundary of their property, that would link a foot-trail from Santa Rosa, with a foot-trail to the Coast. The Hobbs brothers agreed to these terms. Fact

I) On September 11, 2001, Mr. John Jenkel, Republican,gentleman Equestrian, West-County Squire, had a life-changing epiphany – an inciting incident, that forever changed his life: he was able to see through the media send-up of the staged “Attack” on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, and realized that it was “an Inside Job.” Fact.

J) From that point on Mr. John Jenkel became obsessed about the events of 9/11, and a man with a mission. In a manner similar to the way that the late Mae Brussell, liberal Kennedy Democrat, saw through the Media version of November 22, 1963, and was galvanized to begin years of Research & activism, exposing the perpetrators of the Kennedy assassination and cover-up; John Jenkel was galvanized by the events of September 11, 2001. He became, in like manner, a compiler of a vast corpus of Information, which he assembled in his study, in a plethora of white binders. Fact.

K) John Jenkel came to the conclusion - through careful clipping of numerous news articles and data from the internet - that some of the favorite sons of Bohemian Grove, notably Ken Lay, of Enron, Inc, and George W. Bush, were behind the planning & execution of 9/11. Fact.

L) In 2002, John Jenkel began to go public, at Peace Rallies and anti-War Marches, taking his Conservative stand against the invasion of Afghanistan, and the Un-constitutionality of Public Law 107-243, to the streets. He began to pro-actively express his First Amendment prerogative, and speak openly in every public forum he could find, and state publicly that 9/11 was an Inside Job, because of which, Public Law 107-243 was the equivalent of a Coup d’etat against the Constitution. Fact.

M) Public Law 107-243 is the Law that gave W. unlimited war powers to conduct unlimited wars against “Terrorism” anywhere on the planet, in violation of the U.S. Constitution. As a Constitutionalist, John Jenkel was opposed, in principle, to this abrogation of the Constitution. Fact.

N) Also, in 2002, the Hobbs brothers cut down four of the trees in the grove that they had promised to protect under the terms of the easement agreement they had signed with Mr. Jenkel. From that time, Mr. Jenkel informed them that he wanted nothing more to do with them. Fact.

O) John Jenkel, having morphed from being a privileged, if lower echelon, & hired member of the Bohemian Grove, to being an outcast, & pariah to the Republican Party top brass, attributed his ostracism to the machinations of Willie Brown. Factoid – to be examined…

P) John Jenkel took his mission for 9/11 Accountability very seriously, and at every opportunity stumped for the Cause, to demand publicly of various elected officials that they get behind his push to repeal Public Law 107-243, and to end Martial Law, and to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and Iraq… Fact.

Q) He also hired many part-time employees to carry and hold signs and banners with bold statements decrying the guilt of the perpetrators of 9/11. He says that he has spent over one million dollars in this Cause. Fact.

R) By his incessant public appearances, over the course of nine years, stumping for 9/11 accountability, in the Sebastopol City Council, before the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors, in the Sonoma County Court-house, and in Sacramento, John Jenkel eventually made himself tiresome to the powers-that-be, even to some of those who had been, in closet, somewhat in agreement with his “good intentions.” Factoid - to be examined…

S) In a similar manner, the local Left, and the Peace & Justice Community, though originally considering him to be interesting, & something of a novelty, eventually tired of him, when the novelty wore off. Through his combative, in-your-face manner, John Jenkel was in part responsible for some of this eventual ennui surrounding his one-man 9/11 Truth crusade.

The "audacity of hype" syndrome also may have contributed to his coming to sound like a broken record to some... Another plausible explanation is the human tendency to despise Cassandras and to stone the bearers of bad news; as well as the Left’s own unconscious shame at being outdone and out-distanced in anti-War zeal by a man they perceived to be of the Right.

In reality, John Jenkel’s own political path may have led him, unconsciously, to a political position somewhat akin to the camp of the old Jacobin wing of the early Republican Party - with Charles Sumner, Wade Davis, Zachariah Chandler, and Thaddeus Stevens. Hypothesis – to be examined…

T) On the home front, even while he was out on the streets, and in the city councils and Courthouses, fighting the "good fight," John Jenkel found himself being put upon by his winery neighbors, through a series of mandamuses and torts. He retaliated, in Court, with a series of Responses & Petitions; and at home, by lining up a bunch of old junk cars along the driveway of the easement he had granted to the Hobbs Winery, LLP, and placing anti-war and anti-winery propaganda on the rusted hulks of these junk cars. Fact.

U) Somehow – no one who was not present in the Courtroom for all of the pre-trial motions, & hearings, et cetera, et cetera, knows how - John Jenkel was found guilty of god knows what by the Superior Court of Sonoma County, and ordered to pay 350,000 dollars in damages to his winery neighbors, for allegedly damaging some of the trees in the grove they had promised to maintain for the consideration he had requested; for the easement he had freely granted them in the first place. Convoluted, I know; I didn’t make it up… Facts? – Please! - Open to Inquiry…

V) This alleged “damage” was supposedly done because Mr. Jenkel’s well was spitting out sand for a period of seven months one winter, after it had run dry on account of the winery having run the water-table down. Water from Mr. Jenkel’s well supposedly ran down a thirteen degree slope above the trees, and caused one of the trees to fall down. Fact? – Open to Inquiry…

W) The trees – all of them - were cut down, anyway, by the Hobbs LLP, and instead of one “Mid-western wooden barn,” there is a complex of four very ugly steel-beamed buildings that Mr. Jenkel likens to Auschwitz, and calls “Stalag 116.” Fact.

= I agree with him: it does look like Auschwitz. =

X) Mr. Paul Hobbs and his LLP partners, were then able, somehow – again God knows how - to swing a sweetheart deal with the Court and purchase seven acres of what was formerly Mr. Jenkel's land in three allegedly closed to the general public “Auctions” in a back room of the Sheriffs Department, for cents on the dollar. The last piece, a parcel of three acres, was acquired by Paul Hobbs in a closed “auction” for a mere one thousand dollars. – Facts? - Allegations ? – Worthy points of Inquiry, certainly.

Y) Mr. John Jenkel maintains that he has been defrauded of his property and tenements by a Limited Liability Partnership who were willing to be used as a proxy by former governor Arnold Shwarzenegger and his sponsor and financial uncle, Enron investor Warren Buffett in their vendetta to punish him because of his nine-year political career of tirelessly stumping for repeal of Public Law 107-243, and the repeal of Martial Law, that has been in place, ever since the traumatic aftermath of 9/11. John Jenkel maintains that such procedures and land- seizures are inherently un-Constitutional, and could only happen because we are still under Martial Law. And - lo and behold - Public Law 107-243 is still in effect. Fact.

Z) The Sum of all these circumstances and points - and all of the unresolved Questions that still remain in the minds of many people do merit a worthy Subject for an Open, Public Hearing – and a Committee of Inquiry into all of the allegations of Citizen John Jenkel. Fact.

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I disagree with the implications inherent in the statement that neither “Mr. Hobbs or Mr. Jenkle for that matter, are required to respond to anyone's accusations, except the authorities.”

The point of having a Town Hall meeting is to establish the ground for an Objective, Public Inquiry into all the issues relating to this case: it is a Forum in which to ask Questions, decently and orderly, according to Robert's Rules of Order - not a venue for "accusations."

On the other hand, if the “Authorities” themselves are guilty of malfeasance, or have use the Court to persecute and penalize any Citizen for political reasons, then the Judges themselves, who have done that which is wrong, must be held accountable for their actions; if not in Time, by an alert citizenry, certainly in eternity. There is no hiding place from the bar of Justice, and there is no throne or seat of authority on earth that is not subject to the final Judgment --and to the critical Light of truth– whether that Judgment be literal or allegorical...

Consider also, what happened in 1647, in Britain. The Parliament put the King on trial. He was found guilty of treason, and of making needless war against his own people. Perhaps he should have been shown clemency, and should not have been beheaded. But he was guilty of the charge.

- Mark Walter Evans

Yo, Mark, your list of facts is quite helpful in sorting things out, but I'm puzzled by the first section in your list:

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...John Jenkel is a Stanford man; he graduated at the age of twenty-one. He came from a good family. He is smart.

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How is Jenkel's being a Stanford man, coming from a "good family" (whatever the hell that means), or being smart relevant to the issue of whether he's credible, or right or wrong, or deserves our support? Do smart people, or those from Stanford or from "good families" deserve our support more than others?

Who is John Jenkel?

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Yo, Mark, your list of facts is quite helpful in sorting things out, but I'm puzzled by the first section in your list:

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...John Jenkel is a Stanford man; he graduated at the age of twenty-one. He came from a good family. He is smart.

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How is Jenkel's being a Stanford man, coming from a "good family" (whatever the hell that means), or being smart relevant to the issue of whether he's credible, or right or wrong, or deserves our support? Do smart people, or those from Stanford or from "good families" deserve our support more than others?

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Good questions, Dixon. I love dialog, and the opportunity to answer questions, as they arrive, in the minds of others. So thank you.

Of course, the mere fact that John Jenkel is a “Stanford man” and "smart" should not make him one whit more deserving of our support - or interest - than every homeless and ragged and simple Chicano laborer who stands in front of Graton Hall imploring each passing car for Labor to help him earn his daily bread.

- And the fact that John Jenkel came from a “lower upper-class” family from San Francisco, and that his father was a millionaire, certainly does not make him any more worthy of our support in my book. Not one whit more worthy. - It just shows what they { Yeah, that's THEM, Inc., folks } will do to a man, even though he be of the lower upper-class, if he "steps out of line."

{which phenomenon might signal to us, that if we own "property" in California, the title might not be all that secure these days, folks. Of course, if you happen to be an anarchist, and agree with Pierre-Joseph Proudhon that "property is theft," you might not give a damn about what has happened to "poor Mr. Jenkel." But you still might concede that some property is more theft than other property - and that some times, ironically, it is the same property that is more theft - in some circumstances... as it is in this case. You may quote me on that one.}

I just felt that these were important points to state at the beginning of our fact-finding mission into what has gone down in this case. I was paraphrasing what KellytheSinger had written about John, earlier in this thread, and confirming it. These are facts.

We are establishing who John Jenkel is, and who he was before 9/11: He was John Jenkel, Republican, gentleman Equestrian, respected member of the Graton and Sebastopol Community, and West-County Squire. He came from the lower upper-class; he was a Stanford man. He worked at the Bohemian Grove for years, as the drover of his own team of horses pulling the wagon carrying the casket in their damned
"Cremation of Care Ceremony."

These are all facts about the man.

Significantly, he says of himself: "I am not a political activist.... I am a coachman-turned-corruption fighter." Now the former coachman is in debt to the tune of $300,000 in a very Questionable Judgment that was orchestrated by a series of Judges who sit on the Bench of the Sonoma County Superior Court; his Property Rights have been trodden down, and half of his land has been gobbled up by the ugly agribiz Winery that squats next door to his rendered horse-farm.

John Jenkel has quite obviously – for those who have the eyes to see, and care to look intently - been made a ”public example.” He has been made to walk the plank. As I wrote before, paraphrasing Idi Amin: “This is what happens to bad mavericks.”

As Stephen Stills sang long ago: “Step out of line, the Man comes and takes you away.” In this case, John Jenkel is still here, but his ears have been clipped, and he has been shorn of all the increase he earned during the hard work of his lifetime.

Had John Jenkel not stepped out of line – had he, like sixty percent of American Society, in the aftermath of 9-11 gone into denial or just refused to believe that our government could ever, possibly do anything so dastardly =OR= had he stuffed his outrage about what was obviously, to him, an “Inside Job” on 9-11, and had he just decided to remain a silent non- citizen and keep his mouth shut, on the issue of the criminal imposition of Martial Law upon American society by the Bush-League, and had he not stumped, actively, for almost a decade, for the Repeal of Public Law 107-243, I am sure he would not be in the position that he is now.

= Jon Box is right about one thing: John Jenkel did " bring it all on himself." =

Obviously, he was fed to the wolves, and his "fate" was meant to serve as a Sign - a not so subtle example to the rest of us, of what will happen in the Future to anyone who chooses to step out of the anonymous herd of zeks - or, in this case, out of the shadows of Bohemian Grove - and pro-actively exercise his or her First Amendment Rights in the Polis =OR= exercise our ancestral, Common-Law, pro se, Right to represent Ourselves as Citizens, as Sovereign Individuals, as Men, as Women, as Humans, without a Lawyer, before the Court...

= which one may not do under Martial Law =

John Jenkel, what ever his faults may be, is still a rare individual - one of the last of the dying breed of Anthropos Politicanus left among us. He deserves a Public hearing. And others - who have the energy of Youth, should take up his torch and work towards repealing Public Law 107-243.

- Mark Walter Evans

thanks for lining up some of the facts. as i understand jenkel, the water from his well which hobbs claimed damaged his trees was from a self purging sand filter jenkel installed to deal with the water drawdown from hobbs vineyard well. not a malicious leak as hobbs claims. the original civil case is now in the court of public opinion. this is democracy.

my personal experience is that big old trees sometimes fall down, especially in winter. i don't think hobbs likes his neighbor, knows nobody else in local government does either, and used the county. civil court system to take jenkel's land. hobbs clearly cares more about wine and money than trees. hobbs has a choice to respond, and his silence does not speak well for him. jenkel has responded, and as usual does not speak well for himself.

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yes ross, this sure is a wonderful forum

yes ross, this sure is a wonderful forum,
in our post-modern, "cyber democracy" fall;
but still there remains a more excellent quorum:
= that old new england "town - meeting" hall =

but then, here's the problem; as i see it:
we dwell in the land of fruits and nuts;
and also i might add, +++, there's plenty
of flakes here - which is one of the reasons,
in most conversations, there's so many "buts"
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if we had traditions like back in new england
with town meeting halls on every hand =or=
old pennsylvania, among those old pines;
where amish and mennonite farm-folk
are all wholesome, and help one another
as much as they can =or= in oklahoma,
where - you might consider - they've got
farm aid, and okies raise barns;

then maybe, now, some one just
might have kind a' considered,
to visit john jenkel & lend him a hand...

but now he's gone mad; and they all say "too bad"
=it has become a shibboleth, too=
but i think his prose, now, could just use an edit;
there's plenty of "truth" still; left in his brew...

= Mark Walter Evans =

Hey, Mark--

I'm flattered that you think my opinion is so important that you wrote a long poem imploring me to respond to your earlier post, though I don't know why you posted that poem to a different thread. Don't take my non-response personally. I'm way behind on things, even on responding to posts in the comment threads of my own Wacco column "The Gospel According to Dixon". I didn't even know what posts you were referring to until I came back to this thread and dug them up.

Please note that your having posted does not convey upon others an obligation to respond, especially if you're not directing a question to them.

Having said that, and understanding your position a little better now, I stand by my assertion that your references to Jenkel's being from a "good family", a Stanford man, smart, etc. are irrelevant to the current discussion. I hope that's enough response to satisfy you, because it's likely all you're gonna get from me on that subject.

Cheers;

Dixon

Questions and Answers

Q. Why can’t we enjoy the experience of Life the way we were able to do when we were two years old?

A. Because we are stuck at twenty, at the level of lazy sophomores, hazing freshmen, and trying to force-fit the phenomenal World into categories, instead of seeing it as an integrated Whole.

How many Ism’s are there? Quite a few. How many categories? I submit, even more. Why not just try to enjoy the world as a Manifestation of a plethora of random Meaning - all of it important, and all of it meaningful - and none of it appropriate material to be pidgin-holed?

Conversely, also - and this is not a contradiction - one of the reasons we so often fail to understand the Phenomenal Reality of the World outside ourselves, is because our own conceptual framework contains too few categories.

Let me attempt to expand your conceptual horizons, just a little, to include the category: “Stanford Man” among the Subjects that are Germaine to this discussion:

The fact that John Jenkel was a Stanford man and the further fact that he was the Coachman for the Bohemian Grove both mean a great deal if we are attempting to understand the back-story of this present drama.

- And for the same reason that we may obtain a better understanding of why Bobby became
a member of the Bohemian Grove after Jerry died, when we realize the significance of his last name, Weir. The Weirs have been - since the time there was a Stanford University - on the Board of Trustees, as hereditary members of the Board of Trustees. Bobby was the black sheep of the family, who got into Sex, drugs, and Rock & Roll, back in ’64. It was always pretty inevitable, though, that he would eventually be reeled back in to the Club, to partake of the spoils of his Class. { That's Class as in Class-consciousness, kids; not class as in "class of '70," which Bobby did not make, having gone "down the road feeling bad," on that "long strange trip." }

I maintain that it is also valid, and relevant to this conversation to say of John Jenkel that he is smart – as in “ I may be stupid, but at least I’m not crazy” =OR= “I may be Crazy, but at least I’m not Stupid.” Pick your poison.

In this case, our man is averred by the Jury of the kept press; reporters for the Times Light, and the News director at KRCB, to be “Crazy.” But friends of his – and observers, too, such as myself, aver - ”Well at Least he is Smart.”
I rest my case.

- Mark

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In this case, our man is averred by the Jury of the kept press; reporters for the Times Light,

and the Station manager at KSRO,

to be “Crazy.” But friends of his – and observers, too, such as myself, aver - ”Well at Least he is Smart.”
I rest my case.
- Mark

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KSRO Station Manager Kent Bjugstad tells me that he does not know John Jenkel or who he is. Can you explain your accusations regarding KSRO? Where did you hear or read that the station manager holds this view?

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KSRO Station Manager Kent Bjugstad tells me that he does not know John Jenkel or who he is. Can you explain your accusations regarding KSRO? Where did you hear or read that the station manager holds this view?

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Good point, News Radio Tony, and thank you for serving as an unpaid copy-editor for me. It was Bruce Robinson, the news director at KRCB radio, who said of John Jenkel, Esquire {who prior to September 11, 2001, had been a respected gentleman Squire of the Apple Country for thirty-five years} that he was a “crazed old farmer.” Here’s a link:

https://www.bohemian.com/bohemian/05...nmic-1120.html


“John Jenkel is opinionated, overbearing, delusional and stubborn. His conspiratorial rants and paid screed-readers have delayed countless public meetings for years. But while Jenkel has been raving about ominous machinations that only he can see, a very real enemy, literally right next door, has disdainfully taken the crazed old farmer's measure, and is coldly executing a methodical fleecing.” – Bruce Robinson, news director at KRCB radio.

Now, concerning your statement:

“KSRO Station Manager Kent Bjugstad tells me that he does not know John Jenkel or who he is.”

I find that very interesting. Perhaps it is So = and then again= Perhaps it is Not So. If it is - shall we say - just a little fib, or perhaps a case of Plausible Denial, let the Station Manager of that Radio station refresh his memory Here:

https://www.ksro.com/Programs/KSROAM...tryID=10243231

O, and by the way, News Radio Tony, it was you, earlier in this thread, who provided that link, here:

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John Jenkel and Paul Hobbs both called-in to KSRO this morning to give their perspectives on the response to the clear cutting of the property on Gravenstein Highway. Both had more to say than the original topic. The links below should take you to the archived interviews.

NEWSTALK 1350 KSRO Interview with John Jenkel on Gravenstein Highway Property Clear Cutting; June 01,2011

NEWSTALK 1350 KSRO Interview with Paul Hobbs on Gravenstein Highway Property Clear Cutting; June 01, 2011

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so I thank you. If Mr. Bjugstad really has no knowledge of who Mr. John Jenkel is, I suggest he has had his head in the sand - or maybe perhaps some where else - and should familiarize himself with this thread; and with this article, from the Times Light:

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...nion/110609844


But then, really who does know John Jenkel ? Did any of You ever taken the time to visit him, while he was fighting Hobbs LLP in a series of eight lawsuits, all of which Hobbs LLP initiated? And all of you West County types – his Neighbors – chant & prate, endlessly, about “Conscious Community" !

As I have amended a former post to this thread {135416} to read :

Go to the Horse's Mouth

Perhaps you good people - those who really do care about this Issue, and the fact that an Elder has been abused - quite apart from the fact that the Earth has been raped upon half of his land - should take it in heart and mind to go, and make a personal appearance at John Jenkel's desecrated homestead, and take the time to Visit him, and offer the poor man some - you know - Aid and Comfort.

Does anyone Remember how to do that, any longer? Is it a Reflex that we have lost - or perhaps never learned and cultivated?... Never-the-less, it is a Mitzvah, and there is a Blessing involved in actually doing so...

You All know how to get there, don't you? It's not like this thing was done in a Corner now, was it?

I repeat: It is a blessing to visit those who are sick and in prison, widows and orphans; the downtrodden and dispossessed, in their afflictions. Yahshua said so. And so did Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and all the other Ha'Neviim, the Prophets who are dead and gone...

- Mark Walter Evans-

If Paul Hobbs thinks he is doing our community a real service by eliminating blight, let us remind him that our water, air and soil will be negatively impacted by his plans. Paul Hobbs and his business associates do not have many friends in this community, 6,000+ page views will testify to that fact. Given these circumstances, he could engage in some dialogue and enlist the support of an entire community to practice the right kind of stewardship instead of just "taking and, then, taking some more." It is my humble opinion, that someone who is concerned about the spirit of trees and protecting them can be trusted a good deal more than someone who so insensitively destroys them.

In truth, no one owns the land. Not me, not you, and certainly not Paul Hobbs.

Six thousand, three hundred and sixty and counting...

Six thousand, three hundred and sixty and counting, dominus… Because it is a vitally important story, for many reasons that effect us all; a story with ramifications that reverberate far beyond the scenic corridor of highway one sixteen, and the neighborhood of the formerly lovely apple towns of Graton and Sebastopol, which are now far along in the process of “vintrification.”

Hey ! if there are people in the WaaccoBB circuit who would be interested in forming a “Cabal,” let’s call it, of five people, to approach John Jenkel himself, and interview him and make a Documentary of him and his spiel, I throw my own hat in the ring as a challenge to all you locals. We need a camera-man, or better yet a Camerawoman! We could also use the skills of a tough, focused Woman who possesses plenty of chuztpa and has interviewing skills on a par with the late Oriana Fallachi; who can get Mr. Jenkel to focus, and stay on track with her pointed Questions. We could also utilize a Producer and a Director in the Cabal, for said documentary, tentatively entitled “LAND-GRAB” ... we also could use a digital or video-cam film editor, with the skills to polish the final product, and post in on YouTube.

Meanwhile, If you would like to spread this story even further, you may copy the following missive or you may write your own, and post it all over the internet, as I have been doing.

- Mark Walter Evans


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Dear ________________

Please regard this as a Letter that carries with it a certain amount of Responsibility. Please Read it, and check out the Links. It is an important story - one which concerns everyone who loves trees and people; who cares about the environment, ecology, and also civil rights, property rights, and vast weighty realities like “free speech,” the political persecution of all heretics and dissidents - and Social Justice - and Injustice. Please, feel free, also to post this e-letter on to all of your friends and relations...

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A Newsworthy Under-reported Story

At a time when, in spite of the "Change" that Barack Obama promised us, tens of thousands of mortgaged home-owners in the United States are still losing their houses and lands to banks and holding companies every week, another trend, akin to the Assizes of the late Seventeenth century in England, seems to have begun in California. We wonder if there are incidents of this happening elsewhere around the Country...

We, the citizens and earth-dwellers on a portion of Mother Terra that Luther Burbank likened to the Garden of Eden; known, Juristically, as Sonoma County, California, United States of America, are witnesses to it.

A very ugly example of ruthless Elder Abuse followed by Arbicide, and what appears to many in this locality to be a politically-motivated, Court-sanctioned Land-grab, has occurred before our eyes, in a very in-your-face manner, on a California State highway designated as a “Scenic Corridor” – a section of State highway 116, just north of the town of Sebastopol, and adjacent to the hamlet of Graton, California. Here are a few Links:

https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...kel-Property&p=

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...nion/110609844

https://www.ksro.com/Programs/KSROAM...tryID=10243231

Since this has been, for many of us, a very alarming, eye-opening, and disturbing incident, We, the citizens and earth-dwellers of this region think it is fitting that you, who dwell outside our little fish-bowl of Western Sonoma County be made aware of this incident, for it appears to be political in Nature, and an example of political persecution-by-proxy of an unorthodox maverick, a certain John Jenkel, citizen, self-proclaimed "coachman turned corruption-fighter," and “9-11 truth” dissident; a man who has made himself a thorn-in-the-side to City Hall, and the powers-that-be, by his relentless, eight+ year, one-man campaign for 9/11 accountability. Here is his contact information :

John Jenkel
P. O. Box 1822, Sebastopol, California 95473
Phone #s : 1 -707 - 823-7083; 1-800-500-7083
E-mail: [email protected]

We think that it is fitting that Reporters and investigative Journalists from elsewhere on the planet contact Mr. Jenkel, and interview him; towards the ends that a more objective (and perhaps somewhat less biased) Account may emerge…


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Dear dominus, please don’t think it amiss if I attempt to indulge in a little linguistic de-con-struct-ion, and com-ment-ary on your fine, brief, and popular missive. Just remember that I voted for ya, man.

“If Paul Hobbs thinks he is doing our community a real service by eliminating blight, let us remind him that our water, air and soil will be negatively impacted by his plans. “

Which “blight” are we referring to, dominus – a few old cars with anti-War & anti-Winery signs on them that John Jenkel planted along the corridor of the right-of-way that he originally granted to Paul Hobbs, asking for no money in return; only asking that Mr. Hobbs preserve a grove of one hundred and twenty-year-old trees?

Those cars and those signs were, no doubt a nuisance to Mr.. Hobbs, but were they actually “blight?”

Was it the blight of an old farmhouse built in 1880, which Mr. Jenkel had preserved – reconstructing the perimeter foundation himself?

Was it the blight of an old barn, and bunkhouse, also from the eighteen-eighties, which Mr. Jenkel had maintained and preserved for the forty-five years that the title to the farm had been in his name?

Was it the “blight” of a whole host of beautiful old trees, that are now gone?

It might be argued that the presence of druggies and an alleged meth lab on the property was “blight”- but I ask you – and everyone else - was it worth this?

These things may have been a ”blight” to Mr. Paul Hobbs; but, as it was written of the Romans, who also Came, Saw, and Conquered: “They make a Desert, and they call it Peace.”

Now there is a Moonscape, where once there were beautiful trees and authentic Scenery, and, instead of the “Wooden Mid-western style Barn,” that the Hobbs brothers promised John Jenkel they would build, in order to secure their free right-of-way, there is a four-building, ugly Metal-sided, Steel-beamed Wine-Factory complex that looks like Auschwitz. To me, that is real blight.

And I think that everyone who looks objectively at these circumstances will agree, Mr. John Jenkel was certainly a better steward of the land, during the forty-five years that the “title” to those seven acres were vested in his name, than Paul Hobbs Winery LLP has shown itself to be in the short period that has elapsed since the title was “transferred” to them.

“ …let us remind him that our water, air and soil will be negatively impacted by his plans.”

Done deal, dominus. I mean terme, finito, kaput; No mas, no more… It has already happened; and we have all - even those of us who live outside the sand-box of the West County - been “impacted” by the rapacity of another greedy Corporation; by the egregious disregard for the Constitutional Rights of another Citizen, by the Court.

“Given these circumstances, he could engage in some dialogue and enlist the support of an entire community…”

Do you really expect this man Hobbs to enter into this forum, and engage in any kind of dialog with a bund of angry West-County tree-huggers and environmentalists? – Or somehow prove himself to be a “good steward” after this? Dream on.

“…to practice the right kind of stewardship instead of just "taking and, then, taking some more."”

What Hobbs, LLP fully intend to do, after this little storm in a teacup blows over, is to attach the rest of Mr. Jenkel’s Farm; clear-cut and level that also, and plant more grapes.

And they {Hobbs, LLP} will also be able to do that eventually, if there is not, soon, a concerted, organized Resistance, by Citizens, to stop them. Remember, according to the “Judgment” of the Court, Mr. John Jenkel is still three hundred thousand dollars in “debt” to Paul Hobbs, LLP.

“It is my humble opinion, that someone who is concerned about the spirit of trees and protecting them can be trusted a good deal more than someone who so insensitively destroys them.”

Humble is good. Let’s all be humble in this dialog, please. Perhaps you refer to John Jenkel, who lived for forty-five years on the land in Question, and who never clear-cut or logged at all – and who, instead, planted scores of trees?

“In truth, no one owns the land. Not me, not you, and certainly not Paul Hobbs.”

Bingo! Absolutely no one owns the Land. Except, perhaps the Great Spirit, hey? - Whoever that Self-existent, Eternal One = I AM that I AM be. And we, poor mortals, are only passing through.

Look, dominus: All we, who are old hippies, have this same ideology in common – a preference for the world as it was, and the Reality that was at the Time way back in antiquity when the Indians of the Great Plains had no concept at all of property, or “property-rights” when it came to dividing up the Earth, our Mother, into little bite-sized morsels, the better to devour her...

I mean, who wouldn’t prefer to have at least seen the old Primeval Forest that once covered All of Kentucky, Tennessee, and West Virginia, the Blue Ridge mountains of North Carolina, and the northern Third of Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi?

The Conifers in that forest were, on the average, three hundred feet high; the Oaks, Elms, Maples and Sycamores, and many of the other Hardwoods were often over two hundred and fifty feet high, and the Fruit and Nut trees were on the average, two hundred feet high, and growing. When Daniel Boone first peered into this seemingly limitless, and billowing green sea from the Cumberland Gap, he must have had a moment very much like the one Keats described upon a peak in Darien.

Those trees had been growing for thousands of years, and they had never yet been touched by an axe of iron, or two-person saw-toothed hewing blade of iron, until 1774, the year that Harrod traipsed down the old Buffalo Trace from Maysville, to a meadow south of the meadow that later became Lexington…

And what was most delightful to them damned Yankees that began pouring in after 1776, into that narra’ path that had been the Buffalo migration route for thousands of years, with their flintlock muskets – was that “them injuns ain’t got no notion of property, nohow.”

Look, we all agree – or at least most of us who read this thread can concur on this - as the late Susan Sontag said, back in the 60’s: “The white man is the cancer of history.” Sad; but true. Can I get a show of hands?

So for Now, Friend, let’s be Real: that was then; this is Now - not a time when we can afford to genuflect to the faded glory of Native American Antiquity, or dwell in sophomoric platitudes about what ought to be.

Because, at this hour, when the Plutocrats, via their Money-market Banks on Wall Street and their attendant holding-companies, are gobbling up & confiscating what little is still left of the free-holdings of the former middle class in what used to be euphemistically known as “the land of the free,” there is no hiding place or refuge in that kind of Platitude.

If you want to invoke Indian land-ethics now, you might wind up as the kind of Indian that General Phil Sheridan preferred.

We live in a world - the damned white man’s world - of metes and bounds; of plot-lines, and grids, and taxes, exploitation, institutionalized corruption, and City Hall.

It's a fallen world, in which even the much-beloved U.S. Constitution that elder Jenkel still prizes so much, is being violated every day – has been violated in the case of John Jenkel’s inherent protection to life and liberty and property according to the Fifth Amendment.

And in this world, “Some property is more theft than other property - and some times = ironically = it is the same property that is more theft - in some circumstances... “ I said that.

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which phenomenon might signal to us, that if we own "property" in California, the title might not be all that secure these days, folks. Of course, if you happen to be an anarchist, and agree with Pierre-Joseph Proudhon that all "property is theft," you might not give a damn about what has happened to "poor Mr. Jenkel."

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Mark,

I would appreciate it if you would leave characterizations of my political views out of your perambulations here. I am not, nor have I ever been a "recovering Anarchist", nor am I a character in an Uncle Remus tale.

I've worked with Anarchists. Some of them are among the finest people I know. But I've never called myself an Anarchist, because even if a society without formal authority based on cooperation and love were possible, I have not been able to commit to that goal, since I don't think it's likely anytime soon. And to label oneself as an Anarchist, in my definition of the term, that commitment needs to be there.

I'm a Radical Democrat.

Radical in the sense of going to the roots of a problem, not radical in the newly tainted use of the word on MSM Cable News shows for extremist Republicans.

Democrat in the sense of committed to governance of all aspects of our collective lives, via the most effective but egalitarian and democratic means, not democrat in the sense of being a member of the sellout mainstream party that is in the pay of corporate interests but gives lip service to the constituencies that it abandoned long ago, working people, the poor, those outside of the comfortable mainstream of our society.

Thank you for your attention in this matter. If I wish to weigh in on this discussion, I will. As I did a few weeks ago. Otherwise leave me out of it.

By the way, I'm not "recovering" from shit. And I resent being put in any box by someone else, whether it applies or not. And in this case it doesn't.

Finally, do not speak for me. My participation in this discussion has been all that I wish to contribute. If I thought I had something more, hopefully useful or interesting to say, I would contribute it. I don't need, nor do I welcome, others speaking for me.

In Response to Brother Miles Mendenhall

Miles, old Chap
= Bro not Brer =

Hey Bro, Lighten up and chill out. Can't we all just get along?! No harm done; just a little jibe; as they say... and done with the best of intentions. We're All recovering from something: a hangover, a heartbreak, anarchism, catholicism, fundamentalism, family, school, ma, pa, our ex, the kids, parenthood, etc., etc., so chill...

For the Record, I had written:

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Of course, if you happen to be a recovering anarchist, like Brer "Mad" Miles, and agree with Pierre-Joseph Proudhon that all "property is theft," you might not give a damn about what has happened to "poor Mr. Jenkel."

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I have since deleted the words recovering, Brer, and "Mad" Miles from the text on the thread.
That was hardly an ad hominem attack on you or your character, Miles, just a gentle poke atcha, in the hope that you mighty respond and weigh in on the points that have been raised. Instead , you have answered with an ad hominem defense yourself. Too bad.

Indeed, Miles, ‘If you thought you had something more, hopefully useful or interesting to say, you would contribute it.’

I, for one, however, find it rather sad that a man of your intellect and aptitude should find it more important at this hour to write reviews of local Restaurants, and find the issue of a Hooters for Rohnert Park more worthy of your time than the issue of Justice for John Jenkel.

=Bread & Circuses=

… I consider that very akin to “fiddling while Rome burns,” Bro. This thread is the most significant thread that this one has ever seen on WaccoBB, Miles. Correction: It is the most important thread that has ever been here. It woke me out of my own “Sonoma Coma;” it has caused me to come down from the mountain and into the Agora.

Didn’t mean to bait you, or step on your corns, Old Chap. And thanks for defining your political tendency for us : “Radical Democrat.”

But, Miles, in all good humor, really, just how “Radical” are you; in Reality? John Jenkel, I submit, is, Objectively, more Radical than you, even though he bristles at the very mention of the word.

He’s a Jacobin. An old-right, Age of Reason, Voltaire-ian, Rights of Man, Constitutionalist, mid-nineteenth century, American Republican sort of Jacobin, like Thaddeus Stevens. He's quite adamant about Retribution having to be administered strictly: Lethal injections for the Perpetraitors of 9-11. That’s Jacobinism. Bring back the Guillotine. - Ironically that was "left" way back when - but now the Jenkel variety of Jacobinism has morphed into an “old-right” phenomenon. With Time, that always happens...

That’s not my position Miles; I take a non-violent approach to the whole issue of War – hoping to see the Day when the Swords will be all beaten into Plowshares…

But John Jenkel’s position is objectively both Radical and Revolutionary, Miles – and the establishment know it. That’s why they’ve stoned him, publicly, right up on the highway, for all to see. This "situation" as the dialecticians of the '30's used to say, has wonderful revolutionary potential…

Because this is not about John Jenkel : this is about the Fifth Amendment; that reads :

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The Above has been violated, with respect to your neighbor; the old man down the road, Miles. Do you care? Because, truly, "an injury to one is an injury to all." I'm just enough of an Old-Left fool to still believe that mantra. God knows I've paid my dues chanting it enough...

Hope to see your Comments back on this Thread, and weigh in on the subject of The Fifth Amendment - as it pertains to Property – and the appropriateness or inappropriateness of it all. I mean; we all know it's a bother - but is the bother worth it?

Meanwhile, Open Forum / Discussion Period, Class:

Q. Should we throw in the towel Now; throw up our hands, and just let the Plutes and their minions, Seize & Possess All of the lands & property & movables of the entire Continent?

Q. Do you care about this Issue at all, or would you rather just read Restaurant reviews, since you don’t own any so- called “real estate” yourself?

=OR= Perhaps you do own property but would still rather read about food than think about unpleasant things like how & why the Court looted the old man down the road?

Q. Should we Organize, now, and attempt to do the necessary hard work that it takes to make "Democracy come to the U.S.A.?" - as in that wonderful song we all love by Leonard Cohen?

-Q. Is that even Possible? =OR= Because Apathy is just so general, does even posing the Question betray an incredible, thick, lack of Realism?

Q. Is the Process of "Democracy Coming to the U.S.A." inevitable, as old school Second Internationalists used to believe that Socialism was inevitable?

=OR= Do we have to actually do something to make it come, perhaps, like organize Town Hall Meetings, for instance?

=OR= Should we just pack it in & let the Fascists have all of North America, Now, and just find some nice safe place like the high Andes to ride out the Apocalypse with our honey?

= Just thought I’d ask. =

By the way, this is not “perambulation” Miles – whatever that means, Bro. I simply answer
all Questions that are posed, as the issues come up. Sometimes the Questions are important ones, and actually deserve long answers. And sometimes New Questions, also, need to be Asked... but maybe you would rather deal with gastro-intestinal issues?

By the way, I dig "Uncle Remus" - and all the neat lessons: briar patches, tar-babies, et al, the book has to offer us.

Yours, Truly,
- Mark

I can't read all this now. A good friend and a pillar of the original Wacco community is getting married tomorrow. I'll check back in Monday eve.

Be cool folks. Be nice to each other. Go outside and play :waccosun:

[QUOTE=Iolchan;We wonder if there are incidents of this happening elsewhere around the Country...

[url]https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/06/sunny-sheu-murdered-for-investigating-ny-foreclosure-judge-joseph-golia.html[/url]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tr3...layer_embedded

Since John Jenkel forwarded this to me several days ago, and since it is still timely, I am posting it here:

John Jenkel - Commentary on President Barack Obama's Speech,
June 22, 2011

“Good evening. Nearly 10 years ago, America suffered the worst attack on our shores since Pearl Harbor. This mass murder was planned by Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida network in Afghanistan, and signaled a new threat to our security - one in which the targets were no longer soldiers on a battlefield, but innocent men, women and children going about their daily lives.”



Correction, Mr President: On September 11, 2001, America suffered an Enron-sponsored organized crime. It was not an attack against America, and certainly was not an act of war against the now $14.3 trillion dysfunctional United States by a foreign country, like Pearl Harbor was, as you well know. Why do you try to fool we the people? The "mass murder" on 9-11 was not as desperate Enron builder Ken Lay apparently "planned."

The well organized crimes were delayed 41 minutes which allowed office workers to enter office buildings that would have been closed after the planned attacks. Enron puppet President George w. Bush caused 2,798 unplanned murders because he left his wife to be a sitting duck in the White House with the planned targets, who were United States Energy Czar Dick Cheney and his anti-Enron VP staff from pipeline builder Halliburton.

The process of saving our first lady, who was supposed to be in Florida to launch her "Read don't watch" campaign, caused the 41 minute delay. Bad Boy Born-again Bush's testosterone caused 2,798 "innocent men, women, and children (?)" to be unplanned targets. They were victims of 2,798 deliberately unsolved murders on 9-11. What are you going to do about it?


“In the days that followed, our nation was united as we struck at al-Qaida and routed the Taliban in Afghanistan. Then, our focus shifted. A second war was launched in Iraq, and we spent enormous blood and treasure to support a new government there. By the time I took office, the war in Afghanistan had entered its seventh year. But al-Qaida's leaders had escaped into Pakistan and were plotting new attacks, while the Taliban had regrouped and gone on the offensive. Without a new strategy and decisive action, our military commanders warned that we could face a resurgent al-Qaida, and a Taliban taking over large parts of Afghanistan.”



Correction, Mr. President: In the days that followed the apparent Ken Lay-planned and clearly Bush-botched attempted assassinations, insurance scams, and USAF attacks on 9-11, our treasonously deceived nation foolishly invaded a well armed nation of atheists, allegedly looking for the planner of 9-11, Enron/CIA-operative and Saudi/muslim misfit, Osama bin Laden. This bandit:

a) certainly did not call phantom California governor Willie Brown
a "full eight hour before 9-11" and tell him and other CalPERS Directors not to fly to New York on 9-11 to meet Energy Czar Dick Cheney and his secret energy task force on September 12, 2001. Wizard of Deception Willie's California energy bandit pal, and the apparent 9-11 planner, desperate Enron builder Ken Lay, probably did;


b) certainly did not arrange for NORAD to intercept only two of six Enron-sponsored al Qaeda Martyrdom Battalion hijacked airliners. Enron investor and Secretary of Offense Donald Rumsfeld did;


c) certainly did not delay the take-off of star act United Airlines Fight 93 from Newark for 41 minutes until top Enron speculator Warren Buffett could provide a white NetJets jet to trail it, so it could be located and shot down;


d) certainly did not demolish the Twin Towers and Building 7 by controlled demolitions, and then collect $4.6 billion in a terrorist act insurance scam. World Trade Center principal Larry Silverstein and financier Lloyd Goldman did;


e) certainly did not shoot down recovered United Airlines Flight 93 on Bush's order to destroy evidence, after its flight crew filed a flight plan to land safely at Reagan International Airport. USAF Major Rick Gibney did;


f) certainly did not destroy bags full of human remains scattered for eight miles in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. Shadow president Willie Brown-appointed new FBI director Robert S. Mueller, III, did;


g)certainly did not attack the Pentagon Office of Naval Intelligence with a remote controlled USAF F-16 and its missile. The United States Air Force did;


h) certainly did not bring in a wrecking ball to destroy evidence of an attack by an F-16 and its missile while Office of Naval Intelligence workers were still alive in the Pentagon rubble. Secretary of Offense Donald Rumsfeld did. Rumble-dumb was rewarded with a Hoover Fellowship until the faculty of Stanford University threatened to go on strike.

Attractive Stanford grad student Mengyao "May" Zhou, who apparently was going to expose this, got snuffed. Her hacked remains were found in the locked trunk of her locked car in a Santa Rosa Junior College parking lot on January 25, 2007. It had been there for five days. The stench alerted security. Sonoma County Sheriff-Coroner Bill Cogbill dismissed May's murder as "a suicide."

This nonsense gave aid and comfort to enemies of my state who maintain United States mass murder in undeclared wars of congressional choice for profit. He is ripe for a death sentence under California Penal Code Section 37. ANY Californian who conceals this mass murder and treason is ripe for state prison under Penal Code Sections 32 and 38. There is no statute of limitation for capital crimes in the United States.


i) certainly did not take all of the steel from two massive 115 story steel buildings that collapsed in 10 seconds. Communist China did; and


j) certainly did not make so much money selling insurance against terrorist acts that he had to give the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation $31 billion to stay out of jail. See's Candyman Warren Buffett did.

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https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011...eph-golia.html

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Thanks, Runingbare, for these two links, showing similar, simultaneous manifestations of Malfeasance as we have seen up on highway one sixteen... being done by a judge in Queens just a few days ago. Surely a very relevant link. - This is what we need: facts.

There is some indication in this information, that the Foreclosure Racket is - at least in the Big Apple, now a matter of State - or perhaps, as some of us still may hope, { being authentic couch potato type conies ourselves,} is merely a matter of "Rotten Burough" Policy; at least let us Realize { yes, kids, as Jimi said, "There are things to Realize" } that there does seem to be more than one rotten burough in which land-Seizures are happening, these days. {as in NOW, kids. So wake up.}

You must concede the synchronicity of these two events, i.e. the burning of Jenkel's houses in Graton - and the murder of Sunny Sheu, in Queens, both took place within the same month - Both of these Links are worth reading / studying:

First - a mafia hanging judge who prevents the accursed a reasonable means of recovering stolen house, Then the cops kidnap and beat this Sunny Sheu and warn him that if continues to probe into the judge's dealings with organized Foreclosure Racket, he'll "get it" - and then he does "get it." Typical. And current with today's wave of Foreclosures.

Thank you, Runningbare, for being the sort of Geek who at least does come, bearing gifts... Anyone else? Got any other evidence gathered from the worldwideweb o' mair Clearances a' happenin' right about Now, in Amerigusville, Ye old primary Plantation of ye old Global Village? folks? Please, go out searchin' - perhaps you'll turn up a fact or twa. Facts is what we want: Just the Facts, Ma'am.

Geek hi'sel,
- Mark

The Banality of evil & the fires of Bosnia, Kosovo, & Graton

As a Not-so-innocent by-stander to Life, and as an Outsider to the West-County Community, who dwells on, and still "possesses" a clear title to fifteen acres of land facing the ridge which is the eastern perimeter and rim of the bowl of Sonoma County, I find the portent of this fire down in the valley, in Graton, to be very ominous - and the account that was rendered in the Press Democrat, to be really very appalling: The article, which accompanied the photograph above, was entitled:

“Two houses burned in Graton fire exercise”

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article...-fire-exercise

Reading the article in the Link above, I was reminded of Hannah Arendt's observations about the "banality of evil," in her book, "Eichmann in Jerusalem." Neither the author of the article in the Press Democrat, nor the fire chief and captain quoted in the article, question what they are doing - either the legality of the seizure of the lands of this heretic - nor the injustice inherent in the act of burning down the houses on it - houses that rightfully should still belong to a seventy-two year old senior citizen; who was once a respected and honored Country Squire, in the days when Graton and Sebastopol were still the apples towns of my lang memory; and in the days before September 11, 2001...

Here is the complete article:

Published: Saturday, May 21, 2011 at 6:57 p.m.

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"Two houses on property that Graton activist John Jenkel has lost to winemaker Paul Hobbs in a civil dispute were burned by firefighters Saturday during a training exercise.

“We don't get to train on that many structure fires, it is a good opportunity for training,” said Occidental fire Capt. Dennis Sandberg. “The available houses are few and far between, on average once every year or year and a half.”

The homes were burned between 7 a.m. and 2 p.m. by firefighters from Occidental, Forestville, Gold Ridge and Graton. The property is located in the Graton district.

Hobbs acquired the property, which borders Highway 116, as part of a Sonoma County civil judgment of $350,000 against Jenkel that stems from a 2006 dispute between Hobbs and Jenkel.

Fire officials said that Hobbs gave them permission to use the structures in a training drill.

“We try and get the word out to the community as much as possible that if there is a home to demolish, we would love to use it for training,” Graton fire Deputy Chief Bill Bullard said. “It is an opportunity you can't duplicate in any type of training.”

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Like the Germans who participated in the holocaust, these firemen are only doing their job - as is the journalist who gets paid to produce such banal, vapid copy. He too, is "only following orders," to write such drivel, in which, an event which resembles something from a chapter in "The Highland Clearances," - {a must read, by John Prebble} - is presented as a good thing, almost a picnic : "It is an opportunity you can't duplicate in any type of training." These firemen are not goose-stepping "fanatics or sociopaths," paraphrasing the the wikipedia, " but rather ...ordinary people who accept the premises of their state and therefore participate with the view that their actions are normal.""

Again, from the wikipedia:

"Explaining this phenomenon, Edward S. Herman has emphasized the importance of "normalizing the unthinkable." According to him, "doing terrible things in an organized and systematic way rests on 'normalization.' This is the process whereby ugly, degrading, murderous, and unspeakable acts become routine and are accepted as 'the way things are done.'"

The fire itself reminds me of the fires that burned in Kosovo, in Bosnia, in Serbia, and of the ethnic cleansing that went on there in the 1990's. The difference is: this is not "ethnic cleansing" - it is "dissident cleansing." = It is the Inquisition = It is the Bloody Assizes = it is the Burning Times = it is the Highland Clearances. A telling photograph; that speaks to those with eyes to see, a different story than the cover story that is presented to us in the newspaper. Here is a short video of the same scene:

- If you will note, there is a sequence of John Jenkel, himself towards the end, in the moment of his anguish and loss. sadly, there is no footage extant from any cameraman present that day who had the time to ask him any questions - or let him speak for himself.

But let us be thankful for small things : here is an image {image} of the man himself; who was for many years the Coachman for the Bohemian Grove , who pulled the Casket, with his team of horses and wagon, in the Cremation of Care Ceremony = and this is the indignity he has merited from his former Masters, who are, verily, Drunk, on the Wine of Babylon, a' because he turned away from a life of Comfort and Ease... & Prosperity & becam' instead, a Turncoat to THEM, Inc., after he saw through the charade of the media coverage & send-up of September 11, 2001, and cam' to realize that 9-11 was an Inside Job.

John Jenkel, I would argue, took the moral highroad, & embarked on a higher path - and a much more difficult one I may add, Chilluns & full of rigor and Resistance from the powers-that-be = And also, shame & spitting from those wha' should hae both listened to, and heard his message.

And so has he lived, awkwardly - chaffingly, and vexingly, too - for the past eight and a half years, ever since he "came out," as an anti-War, & anti-Imperialist, old-school nineteenth-century style "left" republican & is now cam to this.... Because, by his own Voltaire -ian Light, & in his own eighteenth century, Rationalist Mind, he had to become a strident warner of the citizenry; a canary in the coalmine; a blunt & brusque Cassandra, telling All, high and low, that we have been under Martial Law = that we are still under Martial Law = ever since Public Law 107-243 cam' into effect.

And he had to follow this Course, because he is a Man, and Constitutionally, very much the opposite of a Wuss. And he is even a Constitutionalist. And also, because he loved humanity, and he loved & remembered the gone days in America whan there was mair Freedom - and out of Love for his own Children, and his Grandchildren he did not want to see them living in the Future World of Fascism.

=John Jenkel Remains on the margins of our Consciousness, as a Symbol - but of what?=

Are we simply to leave him there, as a faceless, and voiceless object, at the edge of the final frames on this film strip? =or= will we come to the Realization=Voila ! that John Jenkel is We-uns Chilluns = He is the Old Man Down the Road = … And, as Dylan told the Judge, in “Percy’s Song” : “What happened to him, it could happen to Anyone…” =and= as Phil Ochs sang, “There But For Fortune, Go You, or I...”

Indeed, what they have done to John Jenkel is a foretaste of what is to come. If we -
if you - who dwell in the West County, do not do anything more to Resist this evil than just "boycott Paul Hobbs wines" there will be more of it. Mark my words: If you will not learn, Soon, to practice Town Hall meetings, you will soon find that you have no Freedoms left at all - except for plenty of sexual freedom, of course, and consumer freedoms, and yummy culinary freedoms, too. Yes, and the freedom to drink plenty of wine. The oligarchy doesn't mind bestowing favors like that. They are beneficent.

Here is another Image, from April, of this year; just one month before the fires that burned down a house, bunkhouse & barn of One of the last, strident, practitioners of Free Speech in America were lit, just down the Road, in Graton. O = and before the land was utterly altered and turned into a Moonscape. It was taken by a photographer from the Times Light:

Its Just a Photograph; the Remembrance of Things Past…

-=La Recherche du Temps Perdu=-

He’s a Jacobin, John Jenkel;
he is a Heretic, too.

They’ve bound him to the Stake,
& They’ll do the Same to you
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If you Speak out, like Jenkel,
and Dare to speak your Mind

They’ll Rope you, Brand you,
Rack &, Stretch you,

& Drive you
Out O’ your Mind.

Also, there's a Quotation,
sometimes attributed
-to- =Voltaire=
– but which I learned,-
+for sure, from my dear,+
Socialist,
=Jewish grandmother,=
at the age of four :

“I may not agree
with what you say,
but I will defend to death
your right to say it.”

=

=Voltaire=
- as simplified by -
+Ewelyn Beatrice Hall +
& and &

as recited by
=Edith Fleischer Liggett=
to her little
-mischelling-
grandson,
+ % +
=Mark Walter Evans=
+as a small+
- tidbit, of -
+her gift +
@ of Ethical @
-=Cultcha=-
=to this one=
-in or around-
1954
""""
""""
And so,
Dear Readers,
I leave it
to Y-All
as my Own
Gift
to
the
Stream
O'
Conscious-
ness.

Here's the message I received from YELP this week, letting me know they've decided

to remove my review.


JUL 05, 2011 *|* 12:38PM PDT

Hi inezelia,

We're writing to inform you that we've decided to remove your review of Paul Hobbs Winery. We don't take this decision lightly, and appreciate the seriousness of the allegations in your review. Nevertheless our Content Guidelines (https://www.yelp.com/guidelines) are very clear in outlining the need for a first-hand experience, and we think this an important requirement for maintaining Yelp as a useful site for consumer reviews. Responding to a news story or other users' reviews falls outside of a core first-hand experience of the business.

That being said, we would never wish to stifle discussion on any of the issues you've raised, and our Talk section (https://www.yelp.com/talk) may be a great forum for your opinions regarding this incident.

Please know that we review every situation with great attention and take this matter very seriously.

Removed Content:

Anyone who thinks Paul Hobbs Winery constitutes an "oasis" really must look further .

A true oasis is the breathtaking and beloved historic piece of West Sonoma County's wooded scape that Paul Hobbs acquired in a quiet and eyebrow-raising quick transaction with the County-- natural beauty that now visitors can only imagine, because as soon as his signature on the deed was dry -- without an ounce of shame and or acknowledgement of the horrified residents who pass by everyday-- Paul Hobbs brought in heavy equipment and hideously razed and destroyed everything, even date palms which could have been moved elsewhere, to make a profit charming and selling wine to tourists who have no idea of the winery's unfortunate history..
>
A nature-destroying cookie-cutter winery like the one Paul Hobbs built belongs in Disney World. How many more pop-up wineries before before californians are forced to go to Disney World to look at nature?

Please boycott Paul Hobbs Winery.

Regards,
Zvone
Yelp User Support
San Francisco, California

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