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Alex
06-09-2015, 08:22 PM
I was honestly nervously more hoping for the revolution spark than the bill defeat.... but also knew there was no chance for defeat.
Here it comes.
Knowing what an ugly historical moment in time it was going to be, I watched a great deal of the BS 277 assembly discussion, the public statements, then the vote. It went just as I expected.
Nobody in the assembly gave any indication of knowing anything below the surface memes, myths and lies about vaccinations. They were asking surface questions, getting surface answers and really just putting on a charade of discussing when their minds were already made up, bribes paid and their vote-speeches already written. It was disgusting. There were constant declarations of fact without any citing of sources. There was lots of 'I read that... blah blah...." for both sourceless questions and answers.
Here's the substance and intelligence level of any of the hours of debate I saw -
AIRHEAD (supposedly undecided) ASSEMBLYPERSON 1: "I'm trying to ground myself in facts. Can someone please tell me if there's any relationship of mercury to autism?"
AIRHEAD (pro-vax) ASSEMBLYPERSON 2: "Seven studies have been done involving HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of children that mercury does not cause autism". (sum total VERBATIM reply with ZERO references to where that supposed fact is from!!!!!)
AIRHEAD (supposedly undecided) ASSEMBLYPERSON 1: "Thank you."
After this lame level of discussion, the assembly had to force themselves to sit thru the waiting public's chance to state their name, occupation, who else they represented and if they supported or opposed.
The likely 50 paid shills and a few others stating support went first..... then the unpaid 100's and 100's and 100's of people who had made enormous effort to get to Sacto from all over the state to say 10 seconds kept coming and coming and coming all saying "strongly opposed', "vehemently opposed" over and over and over and over... one after another after another... for hours.
Then the assembly people completely ignored the enormity of what had just happened and read their glossy pre-written voting statements to get the whole boring day of bad-acting over with and they could get the f**k out of there. There's a couple lawyer checking edits to go, but it as good as passed.
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I was amazed and impressed to see the huge variety of people who realized the gravity of this issue and made enormous effort to travel for just themselves and/or the groups of 20 to 1000's, whole districts, professional groups, whole schools and more they said they represented and were already organized in solidarity against BS 277.
I saw the faces of the kind of people who are not going to be cowed into submission and for whom there will be no hesitation now but to continue to do the right thing. It's going to force some huge re-organizing of people's lives and hopefully be the birth of change for the better with the truth winning out in the end. But it's still really ugly and portentious.
Here it comes.
Knowing what an ugly historical moment in time it was going to be, I watched a great deal of the BS 277 assembly discussion, the public statements, then the vote. It went just as I expected.
Nobody in the assembly gave any indication of knowing anything below the surface memes, myths and lies about vaccinations. They were asking surface questions, getting surface answers and really just putting on a charade of discussing when their minds were already made up, bribes paid and their vote-speeches already written. It was disgusting. There were constant declarations of fact without any citing of sources. There was lots of 'I read that... blah blah...." for both sourceless questions and answers.
Here's the substance and intelligence level of any of the hours of debate I saw -
AIRHEAD (supposedly undecided) ASSEMBLYPERSON 1: "I'm trying to ground myself in facts. Can someone please tell me if there's any relationship of mercury to autism?"
AIRHEAD (pro-vax) ASSEMBLYPERSON 2: "Seven studies have been done involving HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of children that mercury does not cause autism". (sum total VERBATIM reply with ZERO references to where that supposed fact is from!!!!!)
AIRHEAD (supposedly undecided) ASSEMBLYPERSON 1: "Thank you."
After this lame level of discussion, the assembly had to force themselves to sit thru the waiting public's chance to state their name, occupation, who else they represented and if they supported or opposed.
The likely 50 paid shills and a few others stating support went first..... then the unpaid 100's and 100's and 100's of people who had made enormous effort to get to Sacto from all over the state to say 10 seconds kept coming and coming and coming all saying "strongly opposed', "vehemently opposed" over and over and over and over... one after another after another... for hours.
Then the assembly people completely ignored the enormity of what had just happened and read their glossy pre-written voting statements to get the whole boring day of bad-acting over with and they could get the f**k out of there. There's a couple lawyer checking edits to go, but it as good as passed.
~~~~~~~~~~
I was amazed and impressed to see the huge variety of people who realized the gravity of this issue and made enormous effort to travel for just themselves and/or the groups of 20 to 1000's, whole districts, professional groups, whole schools and more they said they represented and were already organized in solidarity against BS 277.
I saw the faces of the kind of people who are not going to be cowed into submission and for whom there will be no hesitation now but to continue to do the right thing. It's going to force some huge re-organizing of people's lives and hopefully be the birth of change for the better with the truth winning out in the end. But it's still really ugly and portentious.
Shandi
06-09-2015, 08:35 PM
Alex, Thank you for this truthfully terrifying report on this situation.
The reverberation from this decision will have an impact on so many
lives, in so many ways. Now, than ever before, courage will be key
in this war against choice.
...Knowing what an ugly historical moment in time it was going to be, I watched a great deal of the BS 277 assembly discussion, the public statements, then the vote. It went just as I expected....
The reverberation from this decision will have an impact on so many
lives, in so many ways. Now, than ever before, courage will be key
in this war against choice.
...Knowing what an ugly historical moment in time it was going to be, I watched a great deal of the BS 277 assembly discussion, the public statements, then the vote. It went just as I expected....
HolisticKids
06-09-2015, 09:00 PM
I watched the entire sad thing, and noted that our Assemblymember, Jim Wood acted exactly as you describe here:
Nobody in the assembly gave any indication of knowing anything below the surface memes, myths and lies about vaccinations. They were asking surface questions, getting surface answers and really just putting on a charade of discussing when their minds were already made up, bribes paid and their vote-speeches already written. It was disgusting. There were constant declarations of fact without any citing of sources. There was lots of 'I read that... blah blah...." for both sourceless questions and answers....
Nobody in the assembly gave any indication of knowing anything below the surface memes, myths and lies about vaccinations. They were asking surface questions, getting surface answers and really just putting on a charade of discussing when their minds were already made up, bribes paid and their vote-speeches already written. It was disgusting. There were constant declarations of fact without any citing of sources. There was lots of 'I read that... blah blah...." for both sourceless questions and answers....
rossmen
06-09-2015, 09:43 PM
the only legislators who vote against this bill are republicans. yet all the people i know who are against it vote progressive. when i ask, 'why are republicans voting no?' they have no interest in the question. what about brown? don't give up the fight. there is always cd, and passive noncompliance. what are the enforcement mechanisms? when reasoned debate fails to take place... there are lots more options ; )
HolisticKids
06-10-2015, 08:09 AM
The CA Democratic party made a resolution to support this bill. The democrats are fully invested in controlling our health care choices - completely bought by big pharma. I was a democrat for many years, then switched to Green Party about 10-15 years ago. I am sick of the democrats and their hypocrisy. Does everyone know that Hillary Clinton has big-time Monsanto financial ties and is determined to stop GMO labelling and provide Monsanto with everything they want? And she is fully behind big pharma's vaccinate every American campaign.
Since when does being progressive mean endorsing forced compliance with a medicine procedure? These democrats have to go.
Jane
the only legislators who vote against this bill are republicans. yet all the people i know who are against it vote progressive. ...
Since when does being progressive mean endorsing forced compliance with a medicine procedure? These democrats have to go.
Jane
the only legislators who vote against this bill are republicans. yet all the people i know who are against it vote progressive. ...
HolisticKids
06-10-2015, 08:16 AM
Forwarded from Health Freedom Action:
SB 277 passed Assembly Health Committee today (12 to 6) and now heads to the full Assembly. Yes, this is troubling. But there are hopeful signs, too.
#wethepeople (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/wethepeople?source=feed_text&story_id=10153096825122933) -- thousands -- traveled to Sacramento, many a great distance, to champion health freedom.
SB 277 is goading flabbergasted people into action and TG for that, because we ain't gonna get it done without it.
This bill is moving because special interests took a measure of us and concluded that we wouldn't put up a big fight.
Were they wrong? Will we see this thing through? Will Americans across the country understand that these critical state battles are being fought on behalf of every single one of us?
We've spent far too much time debating the medical and scientific fine points when the truth is -- IT DOES NOT MATTER. Vaccines could be 100% safe 100% of the time for 100% of people... and it still would not change what it means to have fundamental freedoms and inalienable rights that are upheld by the laws of this land.
LAWYERS are coming forward and they are saying: NO to SB 277. They have not been suckered into a false premise. They are deeply troubled by this bill. It's unnecessary, improper, prejudicial, misguided, dangerous, and... unconstitutional.
Health Freedom Action (https://www.facebook.com/HealthFreedomAction) has 165 lawyers from 36 states (plus DC) who have signed this letter. https://healthfreedomaction.org/lawyers-opposed-to-californ…/ (https://healthfreedomaction.org/lawyers-opposed-to-california-sb-277/)
It's just the beginning.
The best things are worth fighting for. JOIN THE MOVEMENT.
www.healthfreedomaction.org (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfreedomaction.org%2F&h=kAQGd9aM6&enc=AZPTo8tn9mYX2rut-nyoJ3dz03m7-IPk5JQBIkrjR3UjeKfkMKMP7_1ICHfCVEcq7JlM9exn6d50dYfEUSDFiMkkg-Lcy_ZU08TPdVxbw4OAVU5kT3tlW9oilh7bErfdYvzflANhXTrk5adqohpQRw6BCMTWAg0ColyvrHCmeGMiuK5GGWjphEaS85dg_Vs2ppY&s=1)
SB 277 passed Assembly Health Committee today (12 to 6) and now heads to the full Assembly. Yes, this is troubling. But there are hopeful signs, too.
#wethepeople (https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/wethepeople?source=feed_text&story_id=10153096825122933) -- thousands -- traveled to Sacramento, many a great distance, to champion health freedom.
SB 277 is goading flabbergasted people into action and TG for that, because we ain't gonna get it done without it.
This bill is moving because special interests took a measure of us and concluded that we wouldn't put up a big fight.
Were they wrong? Will we see this thing through? Will Americans across the country understand that these critical state battles are being fought on behalf of every single one of us?
We've spent far too much time debating the medical and scientific fine points when the truth is -- IT DOES NOT MATTER. Vaccines could be 100% safe 100% of the time for 100% of people... and it still would not change what it means to have fundamental freedoms and inalienable rights that are upheld by the laws of this land.
LAWYERS are coming forward and they are saying: NO to SB 277. They have not been suckered into a false premise. They are deeply troubled by this bill. It's unnecessary, improper, prejudicial, misguided, dangerous, and... unconstitutional.
Health Freedom Action (https://www.facebook.com/HealthFreedomAction) has 165 lawyers from 36 states (plus DC) who have signed this letter. https://healthfreedomaction.org/lawyers-opposed-to-californ…/ (https://healthfreedomaction.org/lawyers-opposed-to-california-sb-277/)
It's just the beginning.
The best things are worth fighting for. JOIN THE MOVEMENT.
www.healthfreedomaction.org (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthfreedomaction.org%2F&h=kAQGd9aM6&enc=AZPTo8tn9mYX2rut-nyoJ3dz03m7-IPk5JQBIkrjR3UjeKfkMKMP7_1ICHfCVEcq7JlM9exn6d50dYfEUSDFiMkkg-Lcy_ZU08TPdVxbw4OAVU5kT3tlW9oilh7bErfdYvzflANhXTrk5adqohpQRw6BCMTWAg0ColyvrHCmeGMiuK5GGWjphEaS85dg_Vs2ppY&s=1)
podfish
06-10-2015, 08:24 AM
We've spent far too much time debating the medical and scientific fine points when the truth is -- IT DOES NOT MATTER. Vaccines could be 100% safe 100% of the time for 100% of people... and it still would not change what it means to have fundamental freedoms and inalienable rights that are upheld by the laws of this land.ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
HolisticKids
06-10-2015, 09:57 AM
forwarded from my friend, Laura Hayes, one of the tireless leaders in opposing this bill:
Hi All,
I met Josh Coleman at the first screening of "Trace Amounts" that I co-hosted in Sacramento a few months ago. He and another dad had been unable to secure tickets, as it sold out, but decided to trek to Sacramento in hopes of seeing the movie anyway...they did :)
Josh has been involved in fighting SB277 from the beginning, and soon into the fight, I learned that he is a skilled and talented videographer. He is the one who has shot much of the footage I have sent to you in the past few months, including a few shorts of his own that he has made, such as "How do Californians Really Feel about SB277?" and "Pan's Lies."
Knowing the importance of educating the legislators about the stark and not-rare reality of vaccine injury, I asked Josh if he would be willing to testify before the Assembly Health Committee with his vaccine-injured (and absolutely adorable!) son, Otto, age 6. He agreed without hesitation, wanting to do all he could to help defeat this bill.
He and I worked hard on his testimony, and we were both extremely disappointed (I was extremely angered) when he was somehow bumped off of the witness list, and many of us are still trying to figure out how that happened and who is responsible for that terrible move.
I asked his permission to share his testimony publicly, and he granted it. Please read and share this testimony that should have been shared yesterday, but wasn't. I think you'll agree, it would have been very powerful. Sweet Otto sat quietly and politely for hours with his dad yesterday, in hopes of giving his testimony at the very end. Sadly, it was not to be.
Laura
Hi, my name is Joshua Coleman and this is my son Otto. Otto was born a healthy little boy and was on target at every wellness check we had with our pediatrician. We got him all the recommended vaccines on schedule. Then, when Otto was 17 months old, he received four shots containing six different vaccines. At that time, he was walking, running, and climbing, just like his same-aged peers. One morning, not long after those 6 vaccinations, I entered his room and Otto was in major distress because he couldn't stand up. We immediately took him to the E.R. Over the next few days, Otto endured a painful spinal tap, a brain scan, and an M.R.I. It was discovered that Otto had an autoimmune reaction called Transverse Myelitis. It was explained to my wife and me that his immune system had gotten confused and had started attacking his own spinal cord causing severe damage.
We asked why this had happened, and the doctor said it was most likely a reaction to either a vaccination or an airborne virus, the latter being rejected since he'd had no signs of illness. The doctor then slammed the door shut on further discussion of how our healthy son went from walking to being paralyzed. There was no investigation to specifically determine what had caused our child to go from walking and running into a wheelchair for the rest of his life. At a later date, we took our son to Johns Hopkins for further testing. There, doctors investigated every possible reason why our son might have become paralyzed from Transverse Myelitis, every possible reason except for vaccines. This made no sense then, and it makes no sense now, as every doctor that Otto saw at four different hospitals mentioned that the vaccines he received in close proximity to his paralysis were the most likely culprit.
As Otto's parents, we relive the moments before our son became paralyzed, trying to determine where things went wrong. We think back upon the fact that we received absolutely no informed consent regarding what was done to our 21-lb. son that day in the doctor's office at his 17-month check-up. Our pediatrician did not inquire as to our family's health history. Our pediatrician did not ask if Otto, my wife, or I were allergic to any of the ingredients in the multiple vaccines he would be receiving. He did not review each and every package insert with us, including contraindications, possible side effects, and warning signs to be on the lookout for that would require immediate medical attention, as is done at the pharmacy when any other prescription medication is given, with the exception of vaccines. Not only did he not review them with us, he did not even show them to us so that we could review them ourselves! He also neglected to mention that not one vaccine ever been tested using the scientific gold standard, that of a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Rather, vaccines are tested against other vaccines, combinations of vaccines, or adjuvants, the ingredients which wreak much of the havoc to begin with. To add to our shock and horror, multiple vaccines given at one time have never been studied, either, despite being administered in random, multiple combinations day in and day out to millions of children!
Not even one doctor thought to call the FDA, CDC, CHPH, or HHS after our son's vaccine injury. Not one doctor filed the appropriate and required report to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) after his injury, as required by The National Childhood Vaccination Injury Act, a reporting requirement dating back to 1986. Not one doctor of the many we saw told us about VAERS, their legal requirement to file a report, or our ability to file our own report. Otto's blood was never sent to experts to be studied. The vaccine lot numbers for the multiple vaccines he received were never reported to investigate the potential of a "hot lot" and to ensure this wasn't happening to other children receiving these same vaccines. Think about how differently this would have been handled if Otto had gotten sick from a mad cow disease-tainted hamburger: calls would have been made immediately, reports filed, an investigation started, warnings would have been issued, and the media alerted. When a vaccine injury or death occurs, none of that happens. And as a result, here sits Otto in a wheelchair.
To add insult to injury, not one doctor had the decency and compassion to tell us about the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (the VICP). By the time we heard about it, from other parents, it was too late for us to file a claim on Otto's behalf...the brief 3-year statute of limitations had expired. Thus, we must survive on a single income due to the constant needs of a child with paralysis. The entire burden of supporting our family, as well as keeping up with Otto's immense hospital bills, falls on one person. The 75-cent surtax we paid on every vaccine, a parent's only insurance policy when it comes to vaccine injury, was paid in futility...we have been denied access to filing a claim.
Tragically, nothing has been learned from Otto's case. No other child will be spared from the permanent disability and suffering he now endures because nothing has been done to stop it from happening again...nothing. Your child, or your grandchild, could be next.
Please try to imagine my extreme frustration, and the frustration of many others present today for this hearing, when we hear people in this room cavalierly spouting the lie that "vaccines are safe". Please ask yourselves how vaccines can be extremely safe, as touted by Senators Pan and Allen, while at the same time being "unavoidably unsafe", in other words, inherently dangerous, as declared by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress? It is not only admitted by government regulatory agencies and vaccine manufacturers that vaccines will harm and kill some, but it is becoming common knowledge due to the growing number of victims. This is the reason why Californians are showing up here in opposition at every hearing, vastly outnumbering the supporters 15 to 1. Vaccine injury is indeed real, it is not rare, and parents want to be the ones to choose what risks to take with their own children. (Time permitting, insert this here: If vaccine injury is as rare as the bill's sponsors like to purport, 1 in a million, then there should be no more than 39 people here at the Capitol today, in a state of 39 million people, who are here representing themselves or a family member with vaccine injury. Can I please ask for a show of hands...how many of you here today have a child who has been a victim of vaccine injury, or are a vaccine injury victim yourself? That looks far in excess of 39 to me, and this is in just 1 room.)
Hopefully, you now understand why my wife and I cannot in good conscience ever allow another vaccine for Otto, or for his younger brother. Since there was no investigation, we have no idea what vaccine ingredient, or combination of ingredients and vaccines, caused his paralysis. We will not blindly sacrifice him again, or his brother, on the altar of vaccines, vaccines which we now know to be dangerous and improperly studied. We would much rather have taken our chances with disease than with the multiple injections we now know enough about to know we want no more of them.
Otto is currently one vaccination shy of being able to attend public school if this bill becomes law. Unbelievably, he does not qualify for a medical exemption, and the PBE we currently have on file for him will become null and void. If SB277 passes, he will no longer be allowed to attend public school. And I repeat...my wife and I will not allow him to receive even one more vaccination.
Otto has paid the ultimate price and will never be the same again. The thanks to him you are proposing is to remove his right to a free public education. Homeschooling is not the answer for us, financially or practically.
Are you going to vote today to take schooling away from him, too?
Otto would you like to say something?
"I love going to school. Please don't take that way from me."
Hi All,
I met Josh Coleman at the first screening of "Trace Amounts" that I co-hosted in Sacramento a few months ago. He and another dad had been unable to secure tickets, as it sold out, but decided to trek to Sacramento in hopes of seeing the movie anyway...they did :)
Josh has been involved in fighting SB277 from the beginning, and soon into the fight, I learned that he is a skilled and talented videographer. He is the one who has shot much of the footage I have sent to you in the past few months, including a few shorts of his own that he has made, such as "How do Californians Really Feel about SB277?" and "Pan's Lies."
Knowing the importance of educating the legislators about the stark and not-rare reality of vaccine injury, I asked Josh if he would be willing to testify before the Assembly Health Committee with his vaccine-injured (and absolutely adorable!) son, Otto, age 6. He agreed without hesitation, wanting to do all he could to help defeat this bill.
He and I worked hard on his testimony, and we were both extremely disappointed (I was extremely angered) when he was somehow bumped off of the witness list, and many of us are still trying to figure out how that happened and who is responsible for that terrible move.
I asked his permission to share his testimony publicly, and he granted it. Please read and share this testimony that should have been shared yesterday, but wasn't. I think you'll agree, it would have been very powerful. Sweet Otto sat quietly and politely for hours with his dad yesterday, in hopes of giving his testimony at the very end. Sadly, it was not to be.
Laura
Hi, my name is Joshua Coleman and this is my son Otto. Otto was born a healthy little boy and was on target at every wellness check we had with our pediatrician. We got him all the recommended vaccines on schedule. Then, when Otto was 17 months old, he received four shots containing six different vaccines. At that time, he was walking, running, and climbing, just like his same-aged peers. One morning, not long after those 6 vaccinations, I entered his room and Otto was in major distress because he couldn't stand up. We immediately took him to the E.R. Over the next few days, Otto endured a painful spinal tap, a brain scan, and an M.R.I. It was discovered that Otto had an autoimmune reaction called Transverse Myelitis. It was explained to my wife and me that his immune system had gotten confused and had started attacking his own spinal cord causing severe damage.
We asked why this had happened, and the doctor said it was most likely a reaction to either a vaccination or an airborne virus, the latter being rejected since he'd had no signs of illness. The doctor then slammed the door shut on further discussion of how our healthy son went from walking to being paralyzed. There was no investigation to specifically determine what had caused our child to go from walking and running into a wheelchair for the rest of his life. At a later date, we took our son to Johns Hopkins for further testing. There, doctors investigated every possible reason why our son might have become paralyzed from Transverse Myelitis, every possible reason except for vaccines. This made no sense then, and it makes no sense now, as every doctor that Otto saw at four different hospitals mentioned that the vaccines he received in close proximity to his paralysis were the most likely culprit.
As Otto's parents, we relive the moments before our son became paralyzed, trying to determine where things went wrong. We think back upon the fact that we received absolutely no informed consent regarding what was done to our 21-lb. son that day in the doctor's office at his 17-month check-up. Our pediatrician did not inquire as to our family's health history. Our pediatrician did not ask if Otto, my wife, or I were allergic to any of the ingredients in the multiple vaccines he would be receiving. He did not review each and every package insert with us, including contraindications, possible side effects, and warning signs to be on the lookout for that would require immediate medical attention, as is done at the pharmacy when any other prescription medication is given, with the exception of vaccines. Not only did he not review them with us, he did not even show them to us so that we could review them ourselves! He also neglected to mention that not one vaccine ever been tested using the scientific gold standard, that of a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Rather, vaccines are tested against other vaccines, combinations of vaccines, or adjuvants, the ingredients which wreak much of the havoc to begin with. To add to our shock and horror, multiple vaccines given at one time have never been studied, either, despite being administered in random, multiple combinations day in and day out to millions of children!
Not even one doctor thought to call the FDA, CDC, CHPH, or HHS after our son's vaccine injury. Not one doctor filed the appropriate and required report to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) after his injury, as required by The National Childhood Vaccination Injury Act, a reporting requirement dating back to 1986. Not one doctor of the many we saw told us about VAERS, their legal requirement to file a report, or our ability to file our own report. Otto's blood was never sent to experts to be studied. The vaccine lot numbers for the multiple vaccines he received were never reported to investigate the potential of a "hot lot" and to ensure this wasn't happening to other children receiving these same vaccines. Think about how differently this would have been handled if Otto had gotten sick from a mad cow disease-tainted hamburger: calls would have been made immediately, reports filed, an investigation started, warnings would have been issued, and the media alerted. When a vaccine injury or death occurs, none of that happens. And as a result, here sits Otto in a wheelchair.
To add insult to injury, not one doctor had the decency and compassion to tell us about the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (the VICP). By the time we heard about it, from other parents, it was too late for us to file a claim on Otto's behalf...the brief 3-year statute of limitations had expired. Thus, we must survive on a single income due to the constant needs of a child with paralysis. The entire burden of supporting our family, as well as keeping up with Otto's immense hospital bills, falls on one person. The 75-cent surtax we paid on every vaccine, a parent's only insurance policy when it comes to vaccine injury, was paid in futility...we have been denied access to filing a claim.
Tragically, nothing has been learned from Otto's case. No other child will be spared from the permanent disability and suffering he now endures because nothing has been done to stop it from happening again...nothing. Your child, or your grandchild, could be next.
Please try to imagine my extreme frustration, and the frustration of many others present today for this hearing, when we hear people in this room cavalierly spouting the lie that "vaccines are safe". Please ask yourselves how vaccines can be extremely safe, as touted by Senators Pan and Allen, while at the same time being "unavoidably unsafe", in other words, inherently dangerous, as declared by the U.S. Supreme Court and Congress? It is not only admitted by government regulatory agencies and vaccine manufacturers that vaccines will harm and kill some, but it is becoming common knowledge due to the growing number of victims. This is the reason why Californians are showing up here in opposition at every hearing, vastly outnumbering the supporters 15 to 1. Vaccine injury is indeed real, it is not rare, and parents want to be the ones to choose what risks to take with their own children. (Time permitting, insert this here: If vaccine injury is as rare as the bill's sponsors like to purport, 1 in a million, then there should be no more than 39 people here at the Capitol today, in a state of 39 million people, who are here representing themselves or a family member with vaccine injury. Can I please ask for a show of hands...how many of you here today have a child who has been a victim of vaccine injury, or are a vaccine injury victim yourself? That looks far in excess of 39 to me, and this is in just 1 room.)
Hopefully, you now understand why my wife and I cannot in good conscience ever allow another vaccine for Otto, or for his younger brother. Since there was no investigation, we have no idea what vaccine ingredient, or combination of ingredients and vaccines, caused his paralysis. We will not blindly sacrifice him again, or his brother, on the altar of vaccines, vaccines which we now know to be dangerous and improperly studied. We would much rather have taken our chances with disease than with the multiple injections we now know enough about to know we want no more of them.
Otto is currently one vaccination shy of being able to attend public school if this bill becomes law. Unbelievably, he does not qualify for a medical exemption, and the PBE we currently have on file for him will become null and void. If SB277 passes, he will no longer be allowed to attend public school. And I repeat...my wife and I will not allow him to receive even one more vaccination.
Otto has paid the ultimate price and will never be the same again. The thanks to him you are proposing is to remove his right to a free public education. Homeschooling is not the answer for us, financially or practically.
Are you going to vote today to take schooling away from him, too?
Otto would you like to say something?
"I love going to school. Please don't take that way from me."
kpage9
06-10-2015, 10:17 AM
Thank you Mr. Fish. I keep coming back to my previous point about gun control. Would it be fair to say that ALL anti-vaxxers would oppose banning semi-automatic weapons (or whatever they're called)?
But really: we can, they say, only die on one hill. Why pick vaccine-choice to be the freedom-hill you defend to the death, when there are so many other, so much more insidious, nefarious, ACTUALLY PROVEN TO BE HURTFUL* government-enforced measures affecting us? Let alone the merely pointless ones raised by PF.
*I imagine some of you will say that vaccines have been proven to do harm. We disagree.
kathy
ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
But really: we can, they say, only die on one hill. Why pick vaccine-choice to be the freedom-hill you defend to the death, when there are so many other, so much more insidious, nefarious, ACTUALLY PROVEN TO BE HURTFUL* government-enforced measures affecting us? Let alone the merely pointless ones raised by PF.
*I imagine some of you will say that vaccines have been proven to do harm. We disagree.
kathy
ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
Shandi
06-10-2015, 10:41 AM
I see helmet laws in much the same way as I see seat belt laws. These laws don't protect anyone but ourselves, but I can see them mandated for children under 16, since we're responsible for their safety.
They are different in the nature of "how" we're being mandated to "protect" ourselves. One is by use of a outside device, the other is by use of injections. You may not see a difference, and care more about helmet mandates than vaccine mandates. You do have a choice about whether or not to use a helmet. All you're risking is a ticket or a head injury, and maybe death, but at least you have a choice. No one is going to strap you down and put a helmet on you whenever you choose to ride your bike or motorcycle. Mandated vaccines will be forced on everyone, whether they want them or not.
ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
They are different in the nature of "how" we're being mandated to "protect" ourselves. One is by use of a outside device, the other is by use of injections. You may not see a difference, and care more about helmet mandates than vaccine mandates. You do have a choice about whether or not to use a helmet. All you're risking is a ticket or a head injury, and maybe death, but at least you have a choice. No one is going to strap you down and put a helmet on you whenever you choose to ride your bike or motorcycle. Mandated vaccines will be forced on everyone, whether they want them or not.
ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
Shandi
06-10-2015, 10:46 AM
Since you disagree that vaccines cause harm, can you site proof of this? Also, why would billions have been paid for vaccine harm when there actually has been none? I'd like to get on the opposite side of this issue., and be able to trust that mandated vaccines are for my benefit. Can you convince me?
As for banning semi-automatic weapons, that might not be effective, since those who want them can get them with the right connections and enough money. This doesn't mean I'd be opposed to banning them, but like the "war on drugs" it might prove ineffective.
Thank you Mr. Fish. I keep coming back to my previous point about gun control. Would it be fair to say that ALL anti-vaxxers would oppose banning semi-automatic weapons (or whatever they're called)? ...
As for banning semi-automatic weapons, that might not be effective, since those who want them can get them with the right connections and enough money. This doesn't mean I'd be opposed to banning them, but like the "war on drugs" it might prove ineffective.
Thank you Mr. Fish. I keep coming back to my previous point about gun control. Would it be fair to say that ALL anti-vaxxers would oppose banning semi-automatic weapons (or whatever they're called)? ...
HolisticKids
06-10-2015, 11:06 AM
The fact that vaccines cause harm in some people is not even up for debate. Even the CDC admits this. All you need to do is take a look at the product insert for any vaccine and you will find a long list of warnings, contraindications, and adverse effects - some very severe. And take a look at the the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Some people are genetically predisposed to vaccine injury, but the terrifying thing about this bill is that there are no tests to determine who will be damaged from vaccines.
Jane
*I imagine some of you will say that vaccines have been proven to do harm. We disagree.
kathy
Jane
*I imagine some of you will say that vaccines have been proven to do harm. We disagree.
kathy
HolisticKids
06-10-2015, 02:28 PM
"Even if we don't prevail today, we will have lawsuits and the lawsuits will allow us to have discovery and we get to subpoena people, and they have no idea the shit storm that is coming! They will become victims of their own legislation."
https://www.ageofautism.com/2015/06/thank-you-sb277-richard-pan-and-friends.html
I love this, I've believed for a long time that they will eventually hang themselves with their own deceit and power mongering. I think that day is almost here.
Jane
https://www.ageofautism.com/2015/06/thank-you-sb277-richard-pan-and-friends.html
I love this, I've believed for a long time that they will eventually hang themselves with their own deceit and power mongering. I think that day is almost here.
Jane
sharingwisdom
06-10-2015, 09:51 PM
It is true that helmet laws are about protecting the person who is wearing it according to the state's perception, and I agree that needs to be a personal decision rather then state mandated just like seat belts, but that has nothing to do with the state mandating vaccines that are injuring and killing children with an autism rate that is soaring, 'protecting' them only by falsified corporate statistics...forcing toxins into the little ones' bodies who are not prepared for an attack on the immune system at such young ages...actually any age as far as I'm concerned.
And all your posts have supported vaccines arguing with any sources that showed differently, so it's interesting you would say that you don't care one way or another.
I wonder if you have subjugated yourself to the 48 shots that are recommended for children 6 and under. I asked you (and the other 'gratitude' bunch that like your posts on vaccines) if this has happened both on 5/31 and in March. No one has answered as of yet.
Do you have children? Have you ever seen a child seizure from vaccines? Probably not. I have. I have seen many vaccine-injured children and adults.
So by attempting to minimize the issue by saying how the state mandates laws that are said to protect a person but infringe on them, does nothing but divert the seriousness of what is happening to our children's health through mandatory vaccines...and what can happen to us next as it may soon happen to the child-care workers besides the children.
ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
And all your posts have supported vaccines arguing with any sources that showed differently, so it's interesting you would say that you don't care one way or another.
I wonder if you have subjugated yourself to the 48 shots that are recommended for children 6 and under. I asked you (and the other 'gratitude' bunch that like your posts on vaccines) if this has happened both on 5/31 and in March. No one has answered as of yet.
Do you have children? Have you ever seen a child seizure from vaccines? Probably not. I have. I have seen many vaccine-injured children and adults.
So by attempting to minimize the issue by saying how the state mandates laws that are said to protect a person but infringe on them, does nothing but divert the seriousness of what is happening to our children's health through mandatory vaccines...and what can happen to us next as it may soon happen to the child-care workers besides the children.
ok, then while you're at it, can you add helmet laws and drunk-driving-at-0.8% laws to your list? we already have laws allowing drunk drivers who cause harm to be prosecuted, and what the hell is the justification for helmet laws anyway? missing helmets don't hurt anyone else. I don't really care one way or the other about vaccines - my precious bodily fluids aren't precious anymore and haven't been for a while - but I'm dead serious that the other two are just as invalid laws and are unquestioned by most people.
rossmen
06-11-2015, 01:14 AM
we have a two party political system. republicans are consistently voting against this bill, perhaps for the reason, medical choice, which you hold dear. if a quarter of the democrats broke rank the bill would die. voting green encourages democrats to stay together. cross party alliances on wedge issues like mandated medical care shake up the status quo far more often than third party popularity.
The CA Democratic party made a resolution to support this bill. The democrats are fully invested in controlling our health care choices - completely bought by big pharma. I was a democrat for many years, then switched to Green Party about 10-15 years ago. I am sick of the democrats and their hypocrisy. Does everyone know that Hillary Clinton has big-time Monsanto financial ties and is determined to stop GMO labelling and provide Monsanto with everything they want? And she is fully behind big pharma's vaccinate every American campaign.
Since when does being progressive mean endorsing forced compliance with a medicine procedure? These democrats have to go.
Jane
The CA Democratic party made a resolution to support this bill. The democrats are fully invested in controlling our health care choices - completely bought by big pharma. I was a democrat for many years, then switched to Green Party about 10-15 years ago. I am sick of the democrats and their hypocrisy. Does everyone know that Hillary Clinton has big-time Monsanto financial ties and is determined to stop GMO labelling and provide Monsanto with everything they want? And she is fully behind big pharma's vaccinate every American campaign.
Since when does being progressive mean endorsing forced compliance with a medicine procedure? These democrats have to go.
Jane
podfish
06-11-2015, 06:58 AM
.... all your posts have supported vaccines arguing with any sources that showed differently, so it's interesting you would say that you don't care one way or another.
I wonder if you have subjugated yourself to the 48 shots that are recommended for children 6 and under. I asked you (and the other 'gratitude' bunch that like your posts on vaccines) if this has happened both on 5/31 and in March. No one has answered as of yet.
Do you have children? Have you ever seen a child seizure from vaccines? Probably not. I have. I have seen many vaccine-injured children and adults. just to answer direct questions:
if there's a theme to my posts, it's that I find the certainty of the anti-vax crowd offputting and I find their arguments sometimes worth pursuing but inconclusive. I prefer public policy to be based on the mainstream of science, regardless of their occasional conflicts of interest. I'm following it because I'm interested and open to changing my mind, but anecdotes and outliers are nothing more than additional data points, not definitive in themselves.
I say I don't care much - which should be obvious because I haven't studied with enough detail to engage with real researchers. In effect, I'm delegating (*) that responsibility to representatives and instead deciding on their trustworthiness, I guess. Frankly, I think most people are doing that too but aren't willing to recognize it.
And of course I'm sympathetic to those harmed, and I don't deny there are some - many, considering the size of the population. I'm equally sympathetic to those who've related stories of disease-related horrors. I've never seen any convincing claims that the numbers of those two unfortunate classes are equal. And relying on images of those who are hurt takes the argument to the level of those in front of abortion clinics with pictures of a dead fetus. It attempts to overwhelm reason with emotion, and is a tactic that discredits the case of those employing it.
(*) by the way, for those misinterpreting that term: 'delegate' doesn't mean abdicate - I use it in the sense of a manager who trusts representatives to do the detail work and present summaries of the relevant issues along with qualified conclusions. It's most definitely NOT blind trust in authority.
I wonder if you have subjugated yourself to the 48 shots that are recommended for children 6 and under. I asked you (and the other 'gratitude' bunch that like your posts on vaccines) if this has happened both on 5/31 and in March. No one has answered as of yet.
Do you have children? Have you ever seen a child seizure from vaccines? Probably not. I have. I have seen many vaccine-injured children and adults. just to answer direct questions:
if there's a theme to my posts, it's that I find the certainty of the anti-vax crowd offputting and I find their arguments sometimes worth pursuing but inconclusive. I prefer public policy to be based on the mainstream of science, regardless of their occasional conflicts of interest. I'm following it because I'm interested and open to changing my mind, but anecdotes and outliers are nothing more than additional data points, not definitive in themselves.
I say I don't care much - which should be obvious because I haven't studied with enough detail to engage with real researchers. In effect, I'm delegating (*) that responsibility to representatives and instead deciding on their trustworthiness, I guess. Frankly, I think most people are doing that too but aren't willing to recognize it.
And of course I'm sympathetic to those harmed, and I don't deny there are some - many, considering the size of the population. I'm equally sympathetic to those who've related stories of disease-related horrors. I've never seen any convincing claims that the numbers of those two unfortunate classes are equal. And relying on images of those who are hurt takes the argument to the level of those in front of abortion clinics with pictures of a dead fetus. It attempts to overwhelm reason with emotion, and is a tactic that discredits the case of those employing it.
(*) by the way, for those misinterpreting that term: 'delegate' doesn't mean abdicate - I use it in the sense of a manager who trusts representatives to do the detail work and present summaries of the relevant issues along with qualified conclusions. It's most definitely NOT blind trust in authority.
Shandi
06-11-2015, 07:47 AM
Your response indicates "just to answer direct questions", but I don't actually see that you have. Can you point me to those I've missed?
podfish
06-11-2015, 11:12 AM
Your response indicates "just to answer direct questions", but I don't actually see that you have. Can you point me to those I've missed?oops. Missed the personal testimonial part.. I had too much fun with the idea part.
anyway, yeah, I have kids. They're fairly grown up, weren't raised as livestock exactly but did get all the shots and reasonable but not excessive care. So did I as far as I know - I'm scared of needles but on occasion I've had flu shots. And no, I haven't seen a kid in seizure from a shot. I've seen kids in a seizure who've had shots, so maybe I'm slower to draw the cause-and-effect than some.
anyway, yeah, I have kids. They're fairly grown up, weren't raised as livestock exactly but did get all the shots and reasonable but not excessive care. So did I as far as I know - I'm scared of needles but on occasion I've had flu shots. And no, I haven't seen a kid in seizure from a shot. I've seen kids in a seizure who've had shots, so maybe I'm slower to draw the cause-and-effect than some.
sharingwisdom
06-11-2015, 11:51 PM
Mainstream science seems to be corporate-owned science these days. Why are the whistleblowers risking their lives and careers (even big Pharma reps) to come forward in what isn't science at all...just twisted and fabricated pseudo research using tax payers money? And your definition of real researchers is...??? Nazi, Fritz ter Meer was found guilty of slavery and mass murder, served only 7 years in prison and went on to become the Chairman of the Board of Bayer in 1956. You still trust vaccines? https://yournewswire.com/nazi-mass-murderer-became-chairman-at-vaccine-drug-company-in-1950s/ No agenda there.
Even Ralph Nader decries how big Business has taken control. (https://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/4/american_fascism_ralph_nader_decries_how)https://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/4/american_fascism_ralph_nader_decries_how
Wow, trusting our representatives to do detail work with qualified conclusions...hmmm...who qualifies them? Which lobbyist bought them? ...as the reps pass fracking & TPP (hopefully not but will know tomorrow), pay off Wall Street, start new wars, lie about Iraq, fund Israel, support torture, kill our own citizens with drones, and on and on. The House of Rep says that EPA must take advise from industry shills not independent scientists...can it get any clearer? https://www.theorganicprepper.ca/bill-passed-epa-must-only-take-advice-from-industry-shills-not-from-independent-scientists-11232014
And you didn't take those 48 vaccines because you're afraid of the needle but want babies to have them and think it's fine?? Didn't you know that they have great combos now...try the 13 vaccines in one to get you going so you only have to have one shot and are 1/4th done. Six Month-Old Baby Dies Just Five Days After Receiving 13 Vaccines
https://vactruth.com/2015/04/23/baby-dies-after-13-vaccines/
And maybe those disease-related stories come from pro-vax crowd offputting and is a tactic employing it, or getting the disease due to the vaccines or being around those who shed from the vaccines. And relying on those images of those who get the disease just might be too overwhelming and emotionally based too... huh?
So I wonder if people often don't see what they don't want to see, because if the underbelly was exposed, it might feel emotionally overwhelming.
"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good." - Dr. J. Anthony
Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)
just to answer direct questions:
Even Ralph Nader decries how big Business has taken control. (https://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/4/american_fascism_ralph_nader_decries_how)https://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/4/american_fascism_ralph_nader_decries_how
Wow, trusting our representatives to do detail work with qualified conclusions...hmmm...who qualifies them? Which lobbyist bought them? ...as the reps pass fracking & TPP (hopefully not but will know tomorrow), pay off Wall Street, start new wars, lie about Iraq, fund Israel, support torture, kill our own citizens with drones, and on and on. The House of Rep says that EPA must take advise from industry shills not independent scientists...can it get any clearer? https://www.theorganicprepper.ca/bill-passed-epa-must-only-take-advice-from-industry-shills-not-from-independent-scientists-11232014
And you didn't take those 48 vaccines because you're afraid of the needle but want babies to have them and think it's fine?? Didn't you know that they have great combos now...try the 13 vaccines in one to get you going so you only have to have one shot and are 1/4th done. Six Month-Old Baby Dies Just Five Days After Receiving 13 Vaccines
https://vactruth.com/2015/04/23/baby-dies-after-13-vaccines/
And maybe those disease-related stories come from pro-vax crowd offputting and is a tactic employing it, or getting the disease due to the vaccines or being around those who shed from the vaccines. And relying on those images of those who get the disease just might be too overwhelming and emotionally based too... huh?
So I wonder if people often don't see what they don't want to see, because if the underbelly was exposed, it might feel emotionally overwhelming.
"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good." - Dr. J. Anthony
Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)
just to answer direct questions:
HolisticKids
06-12-2015, 01:59 PM
Looks like they may vote on SB277 today or this weekend, and then pass it on to Jerry Brown to sign into law. I have no doubt now that they will pass this law. From the beginning, it was never intended for this to go through due process in our legislature the way bills are supposed to.
The good news is that this bill has created a lot of awareness about vaccines that didn't exist before. And they have "awoken the mommies". The awakened, empowered parents are not going away. Hundreds of thousands across the country are currently coming together to stand up for medical freedom. There are bills like this in about 30 other states, and there is the federal bill that effects everyone. And also the upcoming ones that force vaccines on adults. As more people understand what is happening, more will wake up and it will get to the point where they can't ignore us.
I've shifted into a positive outlook that the lawsuits will soon begin and this criminal campaign will be seen in the light of day. And more of the truth will come out in court. And the media can no longer black it out.
https://healthfreedomaction.<wbr>org/consumer-protection-<wbr>amendment/ (https://healthfreedomaction.org/consumer-protection-amendment/)
https://www.facebook.com/<wbr>groups/HealthFreedomAction/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/HealthFreedomAction/)
https://www.avoiceforchoice.org/
Truth, love, freedom, health and well-being will prevail!
Jane
The good news is that this bill has created a lot of awareness about vaccines that didn't exist before. And they have "awoken the mommies". The awakened, empowered parents are not going away. Hundreds of thousands across the country are currently coming together to stand up for medical freedom. There are bills like this in about 30 other states, and there is the federal bill that effects everyone. And also the upcoming ones that force vaccines on adults. As more people understand what is happening, more will wake up and it will get to the point where they can't ignore us.
I've shifted into a positive outlook that the lawsuits will soon begin and this criminal campaign will be seen in the light of day. And more of the truth will come out in court. And the media can no longer black it out.
https://healthfreedomaction.<wbr>org/consumer-protection-<wbr>amendment/ (https://healthfreedomaction.org/consumer-protection-amendment/)
https://www.facebook.com/<wbr>groups/HealthFreedomAction/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/HealthFreedomAction/)
https://www.avoiceforchoice.org/
Truth, love, freedom, health and well-being will prevail!
Jane
intheflow88
06-14-2015, 10:47 AM
Against SB277: Uphold the Constitution Petition
✹ ✸ ✷ ✶ SOUND THE ALARM - THEY WILL BE FOREWARNED! ✶ ✷ ✸ ✹
“When People fear their government, there is tyranny. When government fears the People, there is liberty.” -Thomas Jefferson
Dear Allies,
We are about to embark on a very exciting and promising endeavor. We have seen that playing their game has not gotten us where we should be. And so it is time to step outside of their matrix. We, the People, DEMAND that those who serve Us uphold The Oath they swore to the United States and the California Constitutions.
We ask that you RISE UP with us and claim back your Rights as established in our great US Constitution. Join us in petitioning our legislators to uphold their sacred Oath and demand that they address and resolve our concerns.
➤➤ WE WILL BE HAND DELIVERING THIS PETITION TO ALL 120 Legislators and our Governor on MONDAY, June 15th, so they are forewarned before they vote. This action will only be effective if 1000s of people sign this petition and share it.
Do not hesitate.
✸✸ SIGN NOW & SHARE IMMEDIATELY ✸✸
https://avoiceforchoice.org/petition/
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“We, the People” is not just an expression. It is the phrase that our founding fathers chose to define the true Sovereigns of this Nation, namely, We, the People of America, from whom ALL political power is derived. We then delegated limited Constitutional authority to government to serve us.
In today’s America, because of false education, teachings, political maneuvering, propaganda, and for countless other reasons, many people think that it is the People who must serve government. That is not how our Nation was created, and that is not the law. Please understand this: Our government, created by the People, serves us. It does so pursuant to the Constitution, oaths taken to it, and the limited powers delegated by it to government. That is the extent of government’s legal and lawful power. Anything beyond that is usurpation of power, without authority, insurrection and sedition, and possibly, treason. Our Constitution is now and has been, for many years, the only thing that has kept this Nation from outright tyranny. Our duty is to protect it so it can protect us.
✸ Mark Twain once said: “In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man — brave — hated — scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.” ✸
The overwhelming majority of American People have been asleep, disinterested, too busy or too timid to take action. That recognition could spur them to awaken to their personal responsibilities, become that Patriot, and take effective action against those who would ruin this great Nation.
✹ ✸ ✷ ✶ SOUND THE ALARM - THEY WILL BE FOREWARNED! ✶ ✷ ✸ ✹
“When People fear their government, there is tyranny. When government fears the People, there is liberty.” -Thomas Jefferson
Dear Allies,
We are about to embark on a very exciting and promising endeavor. We have seen that playing their game has not gotten us where we should be. And so it is time to step outside of their matrix. We, the People, DEMAND that those who serve Us uphold The Oath they swore to the United States and the California Constitutions.
We ask that you RISE UP with us and claim back your Rights as established in our great US Constitution. Join us in petitioning our legislators to uphold their sacred Oath and demand that they address and resolve our concerns.
➤➤ WE WILL BE HAND DELIVERING THIS PETITION TO ALL 120 Legislators and our Governor on MONDAY, June 15th, so they are forewarned before they vote. This action will only be effective if 1000s of people sign this petition and share it.
Do not hesitate.
✸✸ SIGN NOW & SHARE IMMEDIATELY ✸✸
https://avoiceforchoice.org/petition/
----------------------------------------------------------
“We, the People” is not just an expression. It is the phrase that our founding fathers chose to define the true Sovereigns of this Nation, namely, We, the People of America, from whom ALL political power is derived. We then delegated limited Constitutional authority to government to serve us.
In today’s America, because of false education, teachings, political maneuvering, propaganda, and for countless other reasons, many people think that it is the People who must serve government. That is not how our Nation was created, and that is not the law. Please understand this: Our government, created by the People, serves us. It does so pursuant to the Constitution, oaths taken to it, and the limited powers delegated by it to government. That is the extent of government’s legal and lawful power. Anything beyond that is usurpation of power, without authority, insurrection and sedition, and possibly, treason. Our Constitution is now and has been, for many years, the only thing that has kept this Nation from outright tyranny. Our duty is to protect it so it can protect us.
✸ Mark Twain once said: “In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man — brave — hated — scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.” ✸
The overwhelming majority of American People have been asleep, disinterested, too busy or too timid to take action. That recognition could spur them to awaken to their personal responsibilities, become that Patriot, and take effective action against those who would ruin this great Nation.
Shandi
06-14-2015, 11:21 AM
PLEASE SIGN and SHARE as if YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT! Because IT DOES! DON'T WAIT Til it's TOO LATE!!!
Against SB277: Uphold the Constitution Petition
✹ ✸ ✷ ✶ SOUND THE ALARM - THEY WILL BE FOREWARNED! ✶ ✷ ✸ ✹
...
✸✸ SIGN NOW & SHARE IMMEDIATELY ✸✸
https://avoiceforchoice.org/petition/
...
Against SB277: Uphold the Constitution Petition
✹ ✸ ✷ ✶ SOUND THE ALARM - THEY WILL BE FOREWARNED! ✶ ✷ ✸ ✹
...
✸✸ SIGN NOW & SHARE IMMEDIATELY ✸✸
https://avoiceforchoice.org/petition/
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arthunter
06-16-2015, 10:34 AM
To make an intelligent decision about any course of action one first looks at all of the published data to determine the risks ... I was alarmed to read this today ...
Government Wipes Recent Vaccine Injury Data from Website
https://sharylattkisson.com/government-wipes-recent-vaccine-injury-data-from-website/
Government Wipes Recent Vaccine Injury Data from Website
https://sharylattkisson.com/government-wipes-recent-vaccine-injury-data-from-website/
arthunter
06-18-2015, 11:46 PM
From the Sacramento Bee ...
Drug companies donated millions to California lawmakers before vaccine debate
https://tinyurl.com/pfovag5
Drug companies donated millions to California lawmakers before vaccine debate
https://tinyurl.com/pfovag5
intheflow88
06-20-2015, 01:01 PM
> Subject: Call for investigation into drug co. payments to Sen. Pan And Speaker Atkins
> Reply-To: "Autism Action Network" <[email protected]>
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> CA: Call for investigation into payments to Pan and Atkins
> Take Action!
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> Call Cal AG Harris and US Attorney Wagner
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> A small miracle occurred: a major corporate news outlet has actually done some real reporting on the mountains of money from drug companies that is the driving force behind SB 277. Reporter Jim Miller of the Sacramento Bee dug into the readily available public records on campaign contributions to California legislators and found the number one recipient was none other than SB 277 author State Senator Richard Pan, who received more than $95,000 just since 2013. Right behind Pan is Speaker of the Assembly Toni Atkins at more than $90,000.
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> We are calling upon California Attorney General, and announced US Senate Candidate, Kamala Harris and Benjamin B. Wagner, US Attorney for the Eastern District of California, to launch investigations into what appears to be an obvious quid pro quo of fee for service among our elected officials.
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> Please click on the Take Action link to send a message to Attorney General Harris and US Attorney Wagner asking for investigations into the pattern of payments by drug companies followed by legislation from Pan, Atkins and others that are enormously lucrative for the drug companies.
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> Please call Attorney General Kamala Harris office and request an investigation at Phone: (916) 445-9555
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> And Please call US Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner and request a federal inquiry at (916) 554-2700
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> Read the article here:
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> https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html
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> Please share this message with friends and family, and please post to social networks. And if you would like to receive news and Action Alerts from the Autism Action Network please signup at www.autismactionnetwork.org.
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> CA: Call for investigation into payments to Pan and Atkins
> Take Action!
>
> Call Cal AG Harris and US Attorney Wagner
>
> A small miracle occurred: a major corporate news outlet has actually done some real reporting on the mountains of money from drug companies that is the driving force behind SB 277. Reporter Jim Miller of the Sacramento Bee dug into the readily available public records on campaign contributions to California legislators and found the number one recipient was none other than SB 277 author State Senator Richard Pan, who received more than $95,000 just since 2013. Right behind Pan is Speaker of the Assembly Toni Atkins at more than $90,000.
>
> We are calling upon California Attorney General, and announced US Senate Candidate, Kamala Harris and Benjamin B. Wagner, US Attorney for the Eastern District of California, to launch investigations into what appears to be an obvious quid pro quo of fee for service among our elected officials.
>
> Please click on the Take Action link to send a message to Attorney General Harris and US Attorney Wagner asking for investigations into the pattern of payments by drug companies followed by legislation from Pan, Atkins and others that are enormously lucrative for the drug companies.
>
> Please call Attorney General Kamala Harris office and request an investigation at Phone: (916) 445-9555
>
> And Please call US Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner and request a federal inquiry at (916) 554-2700
>
> Read the article here:
>
> https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html
>
> Please share this message with friends and family, and please post to social networks. And if you would like to receive news and Action Alerts from the Autism Action Network please signup at www.autismactionnetwork.org.
>
intheflow88
06-21-2015, 09:51 PM
Recall efforts spurred by SB277 corruption
Repost by: venusian9
Ever since SB277 was introduced, I've been grumbling that "someone ought to recall" Pan and others who advocate forced medical procedures without informed consent. Well, hallelujah! "Someone" has started the process. https://sb277recalls.com/sign-now/ Below is their statement of intent:
It is time we send a clear message to lawmakers – these are our kids, not yours. If you try to take away our rights as parents, we will try to take away your rights as lawmakers.
As you already know, parents and children here in California are up against big money pharmaceutical companies, medical associations, doctors and politicians with seemingly endless amounts of campaign cash from special interest donors.
We want everyone to be safe and healthy and our organization is NOT anti-vaccine.
We believe that it should be up to the parent to decide what is best, and when, for each child based on receiving factual and non-hysterical health information.
Tell all your friends, family and fellow-travelers about this recall effort, aimed at sending a message to our "representatives" in the legislature. It's a long-overdue step, one which will help restore balance between genuine public benefit and blatant corporate welfare. https://sb277recalls.com/sign-now/
PS On Monday or ASAP please call Call Cal Attorney General Harris and US Attorney Wagner on my previous post.
Repost by: venusian9
Ever since SB277 was introduced, I've been grumbling that "someone ought to recall" Pan and others who advocate forced medical procedures without informed consent. Well, hallelujah! "Someone" has started the process. https://sb277recalls.com/sign-now/ Below is their statement of intent:
It is time we send a clear message to lawmakers – these are our kids, not yours. If you try to take away our rights as parents, we will try to take away your rights as lawmakers.
As you already know, parents and children here in California are up against big money pharmaceutical companies, medical associations, doctors and politicians with seemingly endless amounts of campaign cash from special interest donors.
We want everyone to be safe and healthy and our organization is NOT anti-vaccine.
We believe that it should be up to the parent to decide what is best, and when, for each child based on receiving factual and non-hysterical health information.
Tell all your friends, family and fellow-travelers about this recall effort, aimed at sending a message to our "representatives" in the legislature. It's a long-overdue step, one which will help restore balance between genuine public benefit and blatant corporate welfare. https://sb277recalls.com/sign-now/
PS On Monday or ASAP please call Call Cal Attorney General Harris and US Attorney Wagner on my previous post.
intheflow88
06-21-2015, 10:12 PM
Against SB277: Rally - United against SB277
Posted by: "Christina Hildebrand
Update: The Assembly could vote as soon as tomorrow (Monday) at which point
it will go back to the senate for concurrence as soon as Thursday and could
be on the Governor's desk by Friday.
We are having another critical rally up in Sacramento. The focus of this
one is to bring out the African American and Latino community - united in
our fight. I know it has been hard for many in these two groups to make it
to Sacramento of financial reasons, but if there is a time for them to come
it is this Thursday, so please encourage them.
Thanks and see you there!
Christina Hildebrand
www.AVoiceForChoice.org
Posted by: "Christina Hildebrand
Update: The Assembly could vote as soon as tomorrow (Monday) at which point
it will go back to the senate for concurrence as soon as Thursday and could
be on the Governor's desk by Friday.
We are having another critical rally up in Sacramento. The focus of this
one is to bring out the African American and Latino community - united in
our fight. I know it has been hard for many in these two groups to make it
to Sacramento of financial reasons, but if there is a time for them to come
it is this Thursday, so please encourage them.
Thanks and see you there!
Christina Hildebrand
www.AVoiceForChoice.org
intheflow88
06-22-2015, 08:04 AM
Berkeley Press Conference: Constitutionality of SB277
Posted by: "Christina Hildebrand" Please attend or listen.
WHAT: Press conference to discuss the legal implications and
constitutionality of the proposed Senate Bill 277
<https://legiscan.com/CA/votes/SB277/2015> (conducted in English, Spanish,
and Russian)
WHEN: Monday, June 22, 2015, 11:00 am-12:00 pm
WHERE: Historic Berkeley City Hall, 2134 Martin Luther King Jr. Way,
California 94704 OR listen to the livestream
<https://livestream.com/accounts/9662413/events/4136627>
https://healthfreedomaction.org/press-conference-california-sb-277-is-not-constitutional/
Posted by: "Christina Hildebrand" Please attend or listen.
WHAT: Press conference to discuss the legal implications and
constitutionality of the proposed Senate Bill 277
<https://legiscan.com/CA/votes/SB277/2015> (conducted in English, Spanish,
and Russian)
WHEN: Monday, June 22, 2015, 11:00 am-12:00 pm
WHERE: Historic Berkeley City Hall, 2134 Martin Luther King Jr. Way,
California 94704 OR listen to the livestream
<https://livestream.com/accounts/9662413/events/4136627>
https://healthfreedomaction.org/press-conference-california-sb-277-is-not-constitutional/
Glia
06-22-2015, 04:10 PM
Thank you for posting this. It is good news on this issue, for once! You should cross-post it or move it to the Political Action Alerts section.
> Subject: Call for investigation into drug co. payments to Sen. Pan And Speaker Atkins <[email protected]>
</[email protected]>
> Subject: Call for investigation into drug co. payments to Sen. Pan And Speaker Atkins <[email protected]>
</[email protected]>
gypsey
06-22-2015, 06:23 PM
Since you " want everyone to be safe and healthy and are not anti vaccine", please explain how, should the mandatory bill be defeated, you intend to make that happen. It sounds to me it will take an intense, voluntary and very expensive effort and I am looking forward to your spelling out in exacting detail, your personal and financial commitment..
Thank you, Gypsey.
...We want everyone to be safe and healthy and our organization is NOT anti-vaccine. .... https://sb277recalls.com/sign-now/ ...
Thank you, Gypsey.
...We want everyone to be safe and healthy and our organization is NOT anti-vaccine. .... https://sb277recalls.com/sign-now/ ...
intheflow88
06-23-2015, 12:07 PM
Against SB277: Page 5 of the SacBee
A Voice for Choice is running a series of political cartoons in the Sac Bee
this week. The first is on page 5a today.
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2015-06-23_12-04-28.png
Donate to Defeat SB277 Now!
https://avoiceforchoice.org/donate-now/
A Voice for Choice is running a series of political cartoons in the Sac Bee
this week. The first is on page 5a today.
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2015-06-23_12-04-28.png
Donate to Defeat SB277 Now!
https://avoiceforchoice.org/donate-now/
intheflow88
06-27-2015, 10:18 PM
Against SB277: Update and to-dos
from Christina Hildebrand
Well as expected the Assembly passed SB277 on the floor on Thursday. Although I will say it was by a closer margin than we thought and there were a few Democrats that broke party lines and lead to a really good discussion on the floor. They passed it by 46 to 31 with 3 abstentions. They needed 40 votes to pass it, so we lost by 7!
We had an amazing rally afterwards. You can view the live stream below
https://livestream.com/accounts/9662413/events/4149706
So where do we go now…First and foremost we need to get the petitions signed by as many as possible…
1. Call and Fax Governor Brown’s office and ask him to Veto SB277: Phone: (916) 445-2841
2. Sign the petition asking Governor Brown's to Veto SB277:
Sign Petition to Veto SB277
<https://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/governor-jerry-brown--mandatory-vaccinations
3. Sign the petition telling our Legislature to uphold their
Constitutional Oath because SB277, SB792 and AB1117 are unconstitutional:
Sign Petition to Uphold the Constitution - https://www.avoiceforchoice.org/petition/
4. Donate to A Voice for Choice so we can get the legal suits and
referendum set up. (www.avoiceforchoice.org/donate-now/ (https://www.avoiceforchoice.org/donate-now/)<http: www.avoiceforchoice.org="" donate-now="">) THANK YOU!!!
5. PASS THIS ON - EVERYWHERE!!!
Thanks
C
DONATE NOW!
WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG (https://WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG) <http: www.avoiceforchoice.org=""></http:></http:>
from Christina Hildebrand
Well as expected the Assembly passed SB277 on the floor on Thursday. Although I will say it was by a closer margin than we thought and there were a few Democrats that broke party lines and lead to a really good discussion on the floor. They passed it by 46 to 31 with 3 abstentions. They needed 40 votes to pass it, so we lost by 7!
We had an amazing rally afterwards. You can view the live stream below
https://livestream.com/accounts/9662413/events/4149706
So where do we go now…First and foremost we need to get the petitions signed by as many as possible…
1. Call and Fax Governor Brown’s office and ask him to Veto SB277: Phone: (916) 445-2841
2. Sign the petition asking Governor Brown's to Veto SB277:
Sign Petition to Veto SB277
<https://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/governor-jerry-brown--mandatory-vaccinations
3. Sign the petition telling our Legislature to uphold their
Constitutional Oath because SB277, SB792 and AB1117 are unconstitutional:
Sign Petition to Uphold the Constitution - https://www.avoiceforchoice.org/petition/
4. Donate to A Voice for Choice so we can get the legal suits and
referendum set up. (www.avoiceforchoice.org/donate-now/ (https://www.avoiceforchoice.org/donate-now/)<http: www.avoiceforchoice.org="" donate-now="">) THANK YOU!!!
5. PASS THIS ON - EVERYWHERE!!!
Thanks
C
DONATE NOW!
WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG (https://WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG) <http: www.avoiceforchoice.org=""></http:></http:>
intheflow88
06-28-2015, 11:34 AM
VETO SB277: Tweet tweet tweet
(If you don't know the first thing about Twitter, please pass this on to someone who does and Facebook).
We have created a Twitter Campaign that we need everyone who is on twitter to do so it goes viral. Here is what you need to do (to have the greatest impact, it is important not to deviate from the instructions). Also DO NOT post on twitter instructions to do this, because we want to keep it clean there. Once we get enough people doing it, people will work out what they need to do. I am hoping these two groups will be the catalyst for it.
Wear a white shirt (preferably).
On a piece of paper, write
#HearUs
Take a selfie with that piece of paper
Tweet the picture with
#HearUs VETO #SB277 @JerryBrownGov
Then retweet any followers that do the same
Let’s get this viral.
Thanks!
C
DONATE NOW!
WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG (https://WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG)
(If you don't know the first thing about Twitter, please pass this on to someone who does and Facebook).
We have created a Twitter Campaign that we need everyone who is on twitter to do so it goes viral. Here is what you need to do (to have the greatest impact, it is important not to deviate from the instructions). Also DO NOT post on twitter instructions to do this, because we want to keep it clean there. Once we get enough people doing it, people will work out what they need to do. I am hoping these two groups will be the catalyst for it.
Wear a white shirt (preferably).
On a piece of paper, write
#HearUs
Take a selfie with that piece of paper
Tweet the picture with
#HearUs VETO #SB277 @JerryBrownGov
Then retweet any followers that do the same
Let’s get this viral.
Thanks!
C
DONATE NOW!
WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG (https://WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG)
Alex
06-30-2015, 08:44 AM
(Courtesy posting with my full support of urgent and critical info being gathered and relayed by intheflow88)
IT IS THE 11TH HOUR
31807 (https://www.yourfamilyyourchoice.org/)
Three Bills to Be Voted On This Week: SB 277, SB 792, and AB 1117
This is not just about parental rights. It is about the many initiatives being pushed in the State of California and all across the United States, measures that seek to erode our rights to bodily sanctity and personal freedoms. We must look at the bigger picture; every step we take is gained ground. Contact governor Brown NOW, REPEATEDLY! Phone calls, emails, faxes, Tweets, letters, postcards, anything and everything you can think of. Keep it simple, respectful, and focused on CA’s equal right to education and the constitutionality of the bill. Then contact your senator and do the same.
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR HEALTH CHOICE
SEND A LETTER TO GOVERNOR BROWN IN 8 SECONDS OR LESS THRU OUR WEBSITE
https://www.votervoice.net/mobile/CCHC/campaigns/40204/respond#/?page=user
Petition Governor Brown
WE ARE AT NEARLY 45,000 SIGNATURES, NEARLY DOUBLED IN THE PAST COUPLE DAYS! Please sign and share the petition to Governor Brown with everyone you know. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN STATE, THEY CAN LIVE ANYWHERE. HUMAN RIGHTS KNOW NO BOUNDS.
DIRECT TO GOVERNOR BROWN PETITION
https://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/governor-jerry-brown--mandatory-vaccinations#sign
SB 792: Tuesday June 30 Assembly Health Committee
SB 792 is the first open-ended ADULT vaccine mandate, requiring 7 shots of 3 vaccines for child care workers: measles, pertussis and flu (though measles and pertussis are delivered in the combo MMR and TDaP).
Please call, email, fax, Tweet all Assembly Health members. Demand they amend the bill.
Talking Points:
SB 792 must include either the same opt-out as the Healthcare Worker Exemption, and/or Religious Exemption.
There must be a mechanism for informed consent on the contraindications for pre pregnancy, pregnancy and lactation for all three vaccines (found on vaccine inserts).
Demand the State pick up all costs associated with meeting the mandate that are not covered by insurance. Otherwise child care facilities will be overburdened.
State Capital to rally for health freedom:
https://www.facebook.com/events/961740383846432 (https://www.facebook.com/events/961740383846432/)
AB 1117 Wednesday, July 1 Senate Health Committee
Why push a mandate when you can pay off the doctors? AB 1117 sets up a Medi-Cal fund to give cash incentives to planned care and health care providers for fully vaccinating children under 2 years of age.
Please call, email, fax, Tweet all Senate Health members.
Talking Points:
Informed consent is paramount, and incentivizing inherently risky medical procedures violates this global standard.
Discriminates by targeting low-income families
AB 1117 has the potential to further restrict Medical Exemptions since it gives cash incentives to health care providers for vaccinating.
The rally for this one too:
https://www.facebook.com/events/702190619892207/
(https://www.yourfamilyyourchoice.org/)
YOUR FAMILY YOUR CHOICE
https://www.yourfamilyyourchoice.org/
IT IS THE 11TH HOUR
31807 (https://www.yourfamilyyourchoice.org/)
Three Bills to Be Voted On This Week: SB 277, SB 792, and AB 1117
This is not just about parental rights. It is about the many initiatives being pushed in the State of California and all across the United States, measures that seek to erode our rights to bodily sanctity and personal freedoms. We must look at the bigger picture; every step we take is gained ground. Contact governor Brown NOW, REPEATEDLY! Phone calls, emails, faxes, Tweets, letters, postcards, anything and everything you can think of. Keep it simple, respectful, and focused on CA’s equal right to education and the constitutionality of the bill. Then contact your senator and do the same.
CALIFORNIA COALITION FOR HEALTH CHOICE
SEND A LETTER TO GOVERNOR BROWN IN 8 SECONDS OR LESS THRU OUR WEBSITE
https://www.votervoice.net/mobile/CCHC/campaigns/40204/respond#/?page=user
Petition Governor Brown
WE ARE AT NEARLY 45,000 SIGNATURES, NEARLY DOUBLED IN THE PAST COUPLE DAYS! Please sign and share the petition to Governor Brown with everyone you know. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN STATE, THEY CAN LIVE ANYWHERE. HUMAN RIGHTS KNOW NO BOUNDS.
DIRECT TO GOVERNOR BROWN PETITION
https://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/governor-jerry-brown--mandatory-vaccinations#sign
SB 792: Tuesday June 30 Assembly Health Committee
SB 792 is the first open-ended ADULT vaccine mandate, requiring 7 shots of 3 vaccines for child care workers: measles, pertussis and flu (though measles and pertussis are delivered in the combo MMR and TDaP).
Please call, email, fax, Tweet all Assembly Health members. Demand they amend the bill.
Talking Points:
SB 792 must include either the same opt-out as the Healthcare Worker Exemption, and/or Religious Exemption.
There must be a mechanism for informed consent on the contraindications for pre pregnancy, pregnancy and lactation for all three vaccines (found on vaccine inserts).
Demand the State pick up all costs associated with meeting the mandate that are not covered by insurance. Otherwise child care facilities will be overburdened.
State Capital to rally for health freedom:
https://www.facebook.com/events/961740383846432 (https://www.facebook.com/events/961740383846432/)
AB 1117 Wednesday, July 1 Senate Health Committee
Why push a mandate when you can pay off the doctors? AB 1117 sets up a Medi-Cal fund to give cash incentives to planned care and health care providers for fully vaccinating children under 2 years of age.
Please call, email, fax, Tweet all Senate Health members.
Talking Points:
Informed consent is paramount, and incentivizing inherently risky medical procedures violates this global standard.
Discriminates by targeting low-income families
AB 1117 has the potential to further restrict Medical Exemptions since it gives cash incentives to health care providers for vaccinating.
The rally for this one too:
https://www.facebook.com/events/702190619892207/
(https://www.yourfamilyyourchoice.org/)
YOUR FAMILY YOUR CHOICE
https://www.yourfamilyyourchoice.org/
Alex
06-30-2015, 08:56 AM
(Courtesy posting with my full support of urgent and critical info being gathered and relayed by intheflow88)
IT IS THE 11TH HOUR
31808
www.avoiceforchoice.org (https://www.avoiceforchoice.org)
Twitter and FB livestream feed of 24/7 Vigil against SB277
What: As part of the #HearUs Movement a person, wearing white, will stand vigil 24/7, outside the Capital until Governor Brown vetoes SB277. They will stand there as an icon reminding Legislators that we are keeping vigil on them, and requesting the Governor to #HearUs and to Veto #SB277. This will be livestreamed 24/7. After a press conference, Otto Coleman, Ella McCauley, Nathan Pearce and a number of other children, who will be denied access to the schools they love if SB277 passes, will deliver petitions signed by over 50,000 California Residents, as well as close to 3,000 letters addressed to the Governor asking him to Veto SB277. They will also deliver a second petition, with over 10,000 signatures, asking Governor Brown to uphold his constitutional oath and Veto SB277.
Why: To request the Governor Veto SB277 because it is unconstitutional and goes against Governor Brown’s previously stated ethics. He has been known to veto bills, such as for mandatory ski helmets and mandatory kindergarten, stating that “I believe parents have the ability and responsibility to make good choices for their children.” We ask that he grant the same beliefs when it comes to our children’s health care and education.
Who: Children, whose parents are a part of A Voice For Choice, and a number of other organizations, including, but not limited to, Our Kids Our Choice, California Coalition for Vaccine Choice, Awake California and the California Coalition for Health Choice, will be delivering the petitions and letters.
Parents, grandparents and citizens from across California will be standing vigil as part of the #HearUs Movement.
Where: Press Conference - North Steps, Capital Sacramento (Possible change to Capital Press Room, if available), and then proceed to Governor Brown’s office. Vigil – L Street Sidewalk by Capital Parking Garage Entrance
When: BeginningMonday, June 29, 2015, 2pm PST, and ongoing
Spread the word…
https://twitter.com/WarriorsInWhite
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Warriors-In-White
This is where the live stream will be posted – starting around 3pm PST today. Please help to get these freedom fighters followed and liked and out to the masses. #HearUs @JerryBrownGov VETO #SB277
Also please like/follow A Voice for Choice
https://www.facebook.com/avoiceforchoice
https://twitter.com/avoiceforchoice
We're looking for volunteers to come to the capitol at some point this week for 4 hour shifts- only 2 hours will be actively standing vigil, the other 2 hours will be spent being present for whomever is there standing vigil so they have someone to speak on their behalf in case they are approached, and to keep tabs on the live stream camera.
If you can be part of this and can get to Sacramento we will have security with us from dusk to dawn.
Please email me directly.
[email protected]
IT IS THE 11TH HOUR
31808
www.avoiceforchoice.org (https://www.avoiceforchoice.org)
Twitter and FB livestream feed of 24/7 Vigil against SB277
What: As part of the #HearUs Movement a person, wearing white, will stand vigil 24/7, outside the Capital until Governor Brown vetoes SB277. They will stand there as an icon reminding Legislators that we are keeping vigil on them, and requesting the Governor to #HearUs and to Veto #SB277. This will be livestreamed 24/7. After a press conference, Otto Coleman, Ella McCauley, Nathan Pearce and a number of other children, who will be denied access to the schools they love if SB277 passes, will deliver petitions signed by over 50,000 California Residents, as well as close to 3,000 letters addressed to the Governor asking him to Veto SB277. They will also deliver a second petition, with over 10,000 signatures, asking Governor Brown to uphold his constitutional oath and Veto SB277.
Why: To request the Governor Veto SB277 because it is unconstitutional and goes against Governor Brown’s previously stated ethics. He has been known to veto bills, such as for mandatory ski helmets and mandatory kindergarten, stating that “I believe parents have the ability and responsibility to make good choices for their children.” We ask that he grant the same beliefs when it comes to our children’s health care and education.
Who: Children, whose parents are a part of A Voice For Choice, and a number of other organizations, including, but not limited to, Our Kids Our Choice, California Coalition for Vaccine Choice, Awake California and the California Coalition for Health Choice, will be delivering the petitions and letters.
Parents, grandparents and citizens from across California will be standing vigil as part of the #HearUs Movement.
Where: Press Conference - North Steps, Capital Sacramento (Possible change to Capital Press Room, if available), and then proceed to Governor Brown’s office. Vigil – L Street Sidewalk by Capital Parking Garage Entrance
When: BeginningMonday, June 29, 2015, 2pm PST, and ongoing
Spread the word…
https://twitter.com/WarriorsInWhite
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Warriors-In-White
This is where the live stream will be posted – starting around 3pm PST today. Please help to get these freedom fighters followed and liked and out to the masses. #HearUs @JerryBrownGov VETO #SB277
Also please like/follow A Voice for Choice
https://www.facebook.com/avoiceforchoice
https://twitter.com/avoiceforchoice
We're looking for volunteers to come to the capitol at some point this week for 4 hour shifts- only 2 hours will be actively standing vigil, the other 2 hours will be spent being present for whomever is there standing vigil so they have someone to speak on their behalf in case they are approached, and to keep tabs on the live stream camera.
If you can be part of this and can get to Sacramento we will have security with us from dusk to dawn.
Please email me directly.
[email protected]
HolisticKids
06-30-2015, 11:15 AM
Governor Brown has signed SB277 into law. We now live in a fascist state where our government dictates what vaccines are injected into our children's fragile, developing bodies. This was a life-or-death fight for freedom and most of the people whom it affects don't know that this is now law. Although I'm truly worried about the future of our children, I do think the answer is to create home school networks or independent schools where children can be healthy and be free to learn critical thinking and creative expression.
— https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/y_/r/7Td3KbnQNdd.pngfeeling heartbroken.
— https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/y_/r/7Td3KbnQNdd.pngfeeling heartbroken.
Alex
06-30-2015, 11:26 AM
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31810
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31810
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podfish
06-30-2015, 11:30 AM
... I do think the answer is to create home school networks or independent schools where children can be healthy and be free to learn critical thinking and creative expression. believe it or not, I'm sympathetic to those of you who feel disempowered by the government taking coercive action. I don't think that means they were wrong to do so. And I think your vision of home schools as a place to learn critical thinking isn't backed up by the facts - unless you mean 'critical' in the sense of 'in opposition' as opposed to being guided by evidence. You true believers are unshakable in your conviction that your research gives you insight into a truth that the rest of us are either to ignorant or lazy or bought-off to understand. Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are.
Alex
06-30-2015, 11:50 AM
31813
SB277 PASSED
Forced toxic injections from the most corrupt government in history and people lining themselves and their kids up for them with an arrogant holier than thou smile without any hesitation or question.
WOW. This is a repugnant and gruesomely foreboding day.31812
Hitler would be smiling.
Without a revolution now, we will soon lose the rest of the freedom and rights America was once so proud of.
-:urgtgslpy:
SB277 PASSED
Forced toxic injections from the most corrupt government in history and people lining themselves and their kids up for them with an arrogant holier than thou smile without any hesitation or question.
WOW. This is a repugnant and gruesomely foreboding day.31812
Hitler would be smiling.
Without a revolution now, we will soon lose the rest of the freedom and rights America was once so proud of.
-:urgtgslpy:
HolisticKids
06-30-2015, 12:43 PM
Well apparently you know what you're talking about, so I hope you feel good about yourself.
believe it or not, I'm sympathetic to those of you who feel disempowered by the government taking coercive action. I don't think that means they were wrong to do so. And I think your vision of home schools as a place to learn critical thinking isn't backed up by the facts - unless you mean 'critical' in the sense of 'in opposition' as opposed to being guided by evidence. You true believers are unshakable in your conviction that your research gives you insight into a truth that the rest of us are either to ignorant or lazy or bought-off to understand. Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are.
believe it or not, I'm sympathetic to those of you who feel disempowered by the government taking coercive action. I don't think that means they were wrong to do so. And I think your vision of home schools as a place to learn critical thinking isn't backed up by the facts - unless you mean 'critical' in the sense of 'in opposition' as opposed to being guided by evidence. You true believers are unshakable in your conviction that your research gives you insight into a truth that the rest of us are either to ignorant or lazy or bought-off to understand. Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are.
Shandi
06-30-2015, 01:00 PM
Marching and saluting shall follow....in due time.
Well apparently you know what you're talking about, so I hope you feel good about yourself.
Well apparently you know what you're talking about, so I hope you feel good about yourself.
HolisticKids
06-30-2015, 03:17 PM
For those of us who live in the North Sonoma Coast area - you may want to know that both our legislators - Jim Wood and Mike McGuire - not only voted for the bill, they both were co-authors. Remember that next election.
podfish
06-30-2015, 03:51 PM
Well apparently you know what you're talking about, so I hope you feel good about yourself.well let's hope so, because that seems to be the way this issue's playing out.
re-read some of the other posts - "Marching and saluting shall follow..", "...Forced toxic injections from the most corrupt government in history - Hitler would be smiling.", "We now live in a fascist state...", "...measures that seek to erode our rights to bodily sanctity", "...many people think that it is the People who must serve government..."
Primal Jade or whatever the hell that exercise they're doing in Texas better be as good as they say, or it may look like all this hyperbole wasn't justified. 'Cuz this discussion sure has taken a turn away from discussion and toward apocalyptic predictions about the end of freedom as we knew it. The last coming has taken way too long to arrive and I think many people now don't believe it'll get here anytime soon after all - maybe this predicted social disaster will overcome us before Obama's gone.
re-read some of the other posts - "Marching and saluting shall follow..", "...Forced toxic injections from the most corrupt government in history - Hitler would be smiling.", "We now live in a fascist state...", "...measures that seek to erode our rights to bodily sanctity", "...many people think that it is the People who must serve government..."
Primal Jade or whatever the hell that exercise they're doing in Texas better be as good as they say, or it may look like all this hyperbole wasn't justified. 'Cuz this discussion sure has taken a turn away from discussion and toward apocalyptic predictions about the end of freedom as we knew it. The last coming has taken way too long to arrive and I think many people now don't believe it'll get here anytime soon after all - maybe this predicted social disaster will overcome us before Obama's gone.
Alex
07-01-2015, 10:20 AM
FYI, this bill goes into effect July 1, 2016. A lot can happen between now and then, especially with so much urgent motivation to so many for either the legal angle, the actual truth of the health dangers angle or both.
The creator of this bill Senator/Dr. Pan actually said yesterday the justification for this bill was that "people don't have the right to infect others." Where do you draw that line? Millions of people walk around with contagious sicknesses possibly deadly or debilitating to the random/vulnerable around them. I sure don't like standing in the grocery line next to someone looking sick as hell, in great discomfort with a obviously contagious runny unknown affliction and sneezing without covering. Do we enact laws to identify, quarantine, punish or arrest all contagious people in public?
Almost half the people who caught the Disney measles were vaccinated, vaccinated kids will encounter 1000's of unvaccinated or contagious vaccinated other people in the world for life, and newly vaccinated kids are extremely contagious for the few days right after some of these shots. Looking at this bigger picture in a world of 7 billion makes this law illogical, ludicrous madness. Remember - this is strong-arming and guilt-tripping uninformed, gullible and lazily unquestioning parents into putting untested toxic cocktails into a child's bloodstream without any safety guarantees, without any manufacturer accountability or liability and without any guarantee of even working.
31843
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
A Voice For Choice, Inc. Releases A Statement Supporting Doctors’ and Parents’ Rights
MOUNTAIN VIEW, CA, June 29, 2015- Governor Jerry Brown signed SB 277 into law (https://bit.ly/1KqUD6b), which mandates a full vaccination schedule to attend public or private school unless a child receives a medical exemption. Governor Brown did this without consulting with any opponents to this bill. In his signing statement, he states: ‘whenever the child’s physician concludes that there are circumstances, including but not limited to, family medical history, for which the physician does not recommend immunization. SB 277 explicitly provides an exception when a physician believes that circumstances-in the judgement and sound discretion of the physician-so warrant.’ On its face, that sounds rational, but digging just a bit beneath the surface the real, and serious flaws in SB 277 are abundant.
The reality is that on June 8th, The American Medical Association (AMA) issued a thinly veiled threat to Physicians across the nation: AMA Supports Tighter Limitations on Immunization Opt Outs (https://bit.ly/1drujKA). Although the AMA’s code of ethics clearly states “A physician shall respect the law and also recognize a responsibility to seek changes in those requirements which are contrary to the best interests of the patient,” this directive alone will create a disincentive to doctors to exercise their independent judgement as to whether or not to grant a medical exemption irrespective of their experience and familiarity with a family and their health history.
CA children are guaranteed access to a free and public education by our Constitution. Yet SB 277 denies that right without any justification. In fact, the vaccination rates in California are at an all-time high and our school children have never been at a lower risk of possible exposure to the diseases SB 277 portends to address. . This law also denies CA families’ Constitutional right to Religious freedom – since vaccine ingredients often contain fetal human and animal biological agents – something that violates many faiths’ teachings.
CA now has the dubious honor of joining the ranks with WV and MS who allow for only medical exemptions rather than looking to states like Oregon, Washington, Maryland and Maine who have struck down bills similar to SB 277 and instead provide parents with a say in medical procedures for their children. As a result of SB 277 becoming law in CA, Parental Rights will be violated and families will no longer have a choice to accept or decline medical treatment for their own children. There are real and documented risks associated with vaccinations. No real pre-screening is done before a child is vaccinated. There are no studies proving safety and efficacy or how disease is spread from recently vaccinated individuals in communities. Yet these same vaccines are being forced on our children by SB 277.
SB 277 declares that homeschooling is a viable option if parents choose to not expose their children to the health risks they fear vaccines present to their children. Homeschooling as an alternative to public or private education is a choice, but rarely a feasible choice for many Californians. The financial impact of forcing a family to homeschool will be enormous. As a result, this law imposes an unnecessary and extreme hardship on families in CA, harming single parents, dual income households, and non-English speaking parents. In addition, the financial impact on CA schools is also a dangerous unknown.
While there is a broad medical exemption in CA, the reality is that the AMA has made their stance very clear. Doctors who write these exemptions will be highly scrutinized at the risk of losing their membership in their professional organizations or potentially even the loss of their license to practice in CA, irrespective of whether or not they believe their patients should have a say in the medical procedures they receive.
The fact is that insurance companies incentivixe for doctors to push their patients to fully vaccinate - and the profits to medical professionals who follow the insurance company “suggestions” are very lucrative. SB 277 is really about profits and not community health or children. When the government mandates medication, we lose our freedom. Everyone has an inalienable right to make their own healthcare decisions. There is NEVER a compelling enough government reason to force medication on anyone - especially not medication where there have been documented injuries caused from that medication, such as vaccines.
There are so many vital and important factors that were not thoroughly considered as this bill was fast-tracked and signed into law in an unprecedented and unwarranted pace. It is a sad day for the thousands of parents who exercised their democratic right to voice their concerns about SB 277 over and over again, only to be ignored by Governor Brown, and so many Legislators.
Christina Hildebrand, A Voice For Choice, Inc.
A Voice for Choice, Inc. is a non-profit 501(c)(4) organization that advocates for people’s rights to be fully informed about the composition, quality, and short- and long-term health effects of food and pharmaceutical products.
Contact: Christina Hildebrand
Voice For Choice, Inc.
408.835.9353
[email protected]
WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG
Twitter: https://twitter.com/avoiceforchoice
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/avoiceforchoice
The creator of this bill Senator/Dr. Pan actually said yesterday the justification for this bill was that "people don't have the right to infect others." Where do you draw that line? Millions of people walk around with contagious sicknesses possibly deadly or debilitating to the random/vulnerable around them. I sure don't like standing in the grocery line next to someone looking sick as hell, in great discomfort with a obviously contagious runny unknown affliction and sneezing without covering. Do we enact laws to identify, quarantine, punish or arrest all contagious people in public?
Almost half the people who caught the Disney measles were vaccinated, vaccinated kids will encounter 1000's of unvaccinated or contagious vaccinated other people in the world for life, and newly vaccinated kids are extremely contagious for the few days right after some of these shots. Looking at this bigger picture in a world of 7 billion makes this law illogical, ludicrous madness. Remember - this is strong-arming and guilt-tripping uninformed, gullible and lazily unquestioning parents into putting untested toxic cocktails into a child's bloodstream without any safety guarantees, without any manufacturer accountability or liability and without any guarantee of even working.
31843
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
A Voice For Choice, Inc. Releases A Statement Supporting Doctors’ and Parents’ Rights
MOUNTAIN VIEW, CA, June 29, 2015- Governor Jerry Brown signed SB 277 into law (https://bit.ly/1KqUD6b), which mandates a full vaccination schedule to attend public or private school unless a child receives a medical exemption. Governor Brown did this without consulting with any opponents to this bill. In his signing statement, he states: ‘whenever the child’s physician concludes that there are circumstances, including but not limited to, family medical history, for which the physician does not recommend immunization. SB 277 explicitly provides an exception when a physician believes that circumstances-in the judgement and sound discretion of the physician-so warrant.’ On its face, that sounds rational, but digging just a bit beneath the surface the real, and serious flaws in SB 277 are abundant.
The reality is that on June 8th, The American Medical Association (AMA) issued a thinly veiled threat to Physicians across the nation: AMA Supports Tighter Limitations on Immunization Opt Outs (https://bit.ly/1drujKA). Although the AMA’s code of ethics clearly states “A physician shall respect the law and also recognize a responsibility to seek changes in those requirements which are contrary to the best interests of the patient,” this directive alone will create a disincentive to doctors to exercise their independent judgement as to whether or not to grant a medical exemption irrespective of their experience and familiarity with a family and their health history.
CA children are guaranteed access to a free and public education by our Constitution. Yet SB 277 denies that right without any justification. In fact, the vaccination rates in California are at an all-time high and our school children have never been at a lower risk of possible exposure to the diseases SB 277 portends to address. . This law also denies CA families’ Constitutional right to Religious freedom – since vaccine ingredients often contain fetal human and animal biological agents – something that violates many faiths’ teachings.
CA now has the dubious honor of joining the ranks with WV and MS who allow for only medical exemptions rather than looking to states like Oregon, Washington, Maryland and Maine who have struck down bills similar to SB 277 and instead provide parents with a say in medical procedures for their children. As a result of SB 277 becoming law in CA, Parental Rights will be violated and families will no longer have a choice to accept or decline medical treatment for their own children. There are real and documented risks associated with vaccinations. No real pre-screening is done before a child is vaccinated. There are no studies proving safety and efficacy or how disease is spread from recently vaccinated individuals in communities. Yet these same vaccines are being forced on our children by SB 277.
SB 277 declares that homeschooling is a viable option if parents choose to not expose their children to the health risks they fear vaccines present to their children. Homeschooling as an alternative to public or private education is a choice, but rarely a feasible choice for many Californians. The financial impact of forcing a family to homeschool will be enormous. As a result, this law imposes an unnecessary and extreme hardship on families in CA, harming single parents, dual income households, and non-English speaking parents. In addition, the financial impact on CA schools is also a dangerous unknown.
While there is a broad medical exemption in CA, the reality is that the AMA has made their stance very clear. Doctors who write these exemptions will be highly scrutinized at the risk of losing their membership in their professional organizations or potentially even the loss of their license to practice in CA, irrespective of whether or not they believe their patients should have a say in the medical procedures they receive.
The fact is that insurance companies incentivixe for doctors to push their patients to fully vaccinate - and the profits to medical professionals who follow the insurance company “suggestions” are very lucrative. SB 277 is really about profits and not community health or children. When the government mandates medication, we lose our freedom. Everyone has an inalienable right to make their own healthcare decisions. There is NEVER a compelling enough government reason to force medication on anyone - especially not medication where there have been documented injuries caused from that medication, such as vaccines.
There are so many vital and important factors that were not thoroughly considered as this bill was fast-tracked and signed into law in an unprecedented and unwarranted pace. It is a sad day for the thousands of parents who exercised their democratic right to voice their concerns about SB 277 over and over again, only to be ignored by Governor Brown, and so many Legislators.
Christina Hildebrand, A Voice For Choice, Inc.
A Voice for Choice, Inc. is a non-profit 501(c)(4) organization that advocates for people’s rights to be fully informed about the composition, quality, and short- and long-term health effects of food and pharmaceutical products.
Contact: Christina Hildebrand
Voice For Choice, Inc.
408.835.9353
[email protected]
WWW.AVOICEFORCHOICE.ORG
Twitter: https://twitter.com/avoiceforchoice
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/avoiceforchoice
sharingwisdom
07-01-2015, 11:17 PM
It's interesting that you have continually stated only your opinions on the vaccine issue but seem to dismiss, discount and attempt to ridicule others if it's anything that isn't censored media and Big Pharma propaganda. You have patterned this over and over on many topics.
Doctors are given a two week course on vaccines but years of corporate salespeople who visit them. Enough vaccine and pharmaceutical whistleblowers have come forth to say this.
So when are you lining up for your 48 vaccines? I've asked you and the other pro-vaccinators this over and over and never an answer. I mentioned before that since you're afraid of needles, you can do it in batches of 7. It will only take 7 times. Perhaps you'll do better because you're not 14 lbs like the babies who died from this. In case you missed your doses, you can check the CDC's recommendation especially the HPV. https://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005176
In health and wellness to you!
well let's hope so, because that seems to be the way this issue's playing out.
re-read some of the other posts - "Marching and saluting shall follow..", "...Forced toxic injections from the most corrupt government in history - Hitler would be smiling.", "We now live in a fascist state...", "...measures that seek to erode our rights to bodily sanctity", "...many people think that it is the People who must serve government..."
Primal Jade or whatever the hell that exercise they're doing in Texas better be as good as they say, or it may look like all this hyperbole wasn't justified. 'Cuz this discussion sure has taken a turn away from discussion and toward apocalyptic predictions about the end of freedom as we knew it. The last coming has taken way too long to arrive and I think many people now don't believe it'll get here anytime soon after all - maybe this predicted social disaster will overcome us before Obama's gone.
Doctors are given a two week course on vaccines but years of corporate salespeople who visit them. Enough vaccine and pharmaceutical whistleblowers have come forth to say this.
So when are you lining up for your 48 vaccines? I've asked you and the other pro-vaccinators this over and over and never an answer. I mentioned before that since you're afraid of needles, you can do it in batches of 7. It will only take 7 times. Perhaps you'll do better because you're not 14 lbs like the babies who died from this. In case you missed your doses, you can check the CDC's recommendation especially the HPV. https://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005176
In health and wellness to you!
well let's hope so, because that seems to be the way this issue's playing out.
re-read some of the other posts - "Marching and saluting shall follow..", "...Forced toxic injections from the most corrupt government in history - Hitler would be smiling.", "We now live in a fascist state...", "...measures that seek to erode our rights to bodily sanctity", "...many people think that it is the People who must serve government..."
Primal Jade or whatever the hell that exercise they're doing in Texas better be as good as they say, or it may look like all this hyperbole wasn't justified. 'Cuz this discussion sure has taken a turn away from discussion and toward apocalyptic predictions about the end of freedom as we knew it. The last coming has taken way too long to arrive and I think many people now don't believe it'll get here anytime soon after all - maybe this predicted social disaster will overcome us before Obama's gone.
arthunter
07-01-2015, 11:58 PM
one man's opinion about the gravity of this legislation ....
https://floridanewswire.com/2015/06/30/fnw17577_201124.php
https://floridanewswire.com/2015/06/30/fnw17577_201124.php
arthunter
07-02-2015, 12:31 AM
Interesting comment ...
Perhaps you are not a victim of "the end of freedom as we knew it", but I know many who are ... I won't bother to name all of the Constitutional rights which have been shredded, because I've said it all before ... I won't list all of the victims who are truly suffering from this because it would take me far too long ... but to pretend that it's not happening? ... what?
well let's hope so, because that seems to be the way this issue's playing out...
Perhaps you are not a victim of "the end of freedom as we knew it", but I know many who are ... I won't bother to name all of the Constitutional rights which have been shredded, because I've said it all before ... I won't list all of the victims who are truly suffering from this because it would take me far too long ... but to pretend that it's not happening? ... what?
well let's hope so, because that seems to be the way this issue's playing out...
HolisticKids
07-02-2015, 09:17 AM
Please share this with parents who are needing help with this:
Excellent article on getting medical exemptions:https://vaxtruth.org/.../everything-you-ever-needed-to.../ (https://vaxtruth.org/2015/06/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-medical-exemptions-to-vaccination-but-didnt-know-to-ask/) Couldn't agree more that we need to educate doctors.
2. Tim Donnelly has filed the paperwork for a referendum. As we learn how we can all help gather signatures, we will share that with you. Here's some info re. the referendum:
Tim Donnelly files referendum to overturn California vaccine bill
Conservative former assemblyman wants to nix state’s new mandate
Proponents have 90 days to collect at least 365,880 valid signatures
If signatures obtained, law is suspended until November 2016 election
Excellent article on getting medical exemptions:https://vaxtruth.org/.../everything-you-ever-needed-to.../ (https://vaxtruth.org/2015/06/everything-you-ever-needed-to-know-about-medical-exemptions-to-vaccination-but-didnt-know-to-ask/) Couldn't agree more that we need to educate doctors.
2. Tim Donnelly has filed the paperwork for a referendum. As we learn how we can all help gather signatures, we will share that with you. Here's some info re. the referendum:
Tim Donnelly files referendum to overturn California vaccine bill
Conservative former assemblyman wants to nix state’s new mandate
Proponents have 90 days to collect at least 365,880 valid signatures
If signatures obtained, law is suspended until November 2016 election
podfish
07-02-2015, 09:42 AM
It's interesting that you have continually stated only your opinions on the vaccine issue but seem to dismiss, discount and attempt to ridicule others if it's anything that isn't censored media and Big Pharma propaganda. You have patterned this over and over on many topics. ..
Doctors are given a two week course on vaccines but years of corporate salespeople who visit them. Enough vaccine and pharmaceutical whistleblowers have come forth to say this. (patronizing sigh.. maybe finally giving in and getting closer to ridicule) ok, re-read my posts. For example:
" You true believers are unshakable in your conviction that your research gives you insight into a truth that the rest of us are either to ignorant or lazy or bought-off to understand. Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are."
I mean, I wrote it so I could be expected to know what it meant to say, but unlike some of my more off-the-cuff, poorly-edited rants, this post seems pretty clear. The weak "attempt at ridicule" maybe should be seen as an observation that on many issues, including this one, there's way too much certainty and way too little questioning of credentials that support a chosen point of view, finding opponents tainted by conflicts of interest while simultaneously embracing random "whistleblowers" as totally credible. I fully agree that doctors aren't fully authoritative voices, I hope I've never said differently. They're trained in process more than they're trained in scientific research. In fact I know damn well I've written that outlier views are valuable in context. To reiterate: vaccines have benefits. They have dangers. Many people have and continue to examine them for efficacy and safety. The general verdict is in favor of wide-spread, even compulsory use of them. Those that disagree aren't being very effectively silenced, but hell yes, they're not winning either the hearts-and-minds of the majority or the policy battles in government.
That may change, because on occasion widely-held scientific beliefs are found wrong. That happens far less often than most people think - what happens instead is that over-simplified views of scientific concensus are replaced by different over-simplified views of a slightly modified concensus. It's pretty unlikely that anyone's going to say "oops, C02 never did have much to do with global warming" or "sorry 'bout that, vaccines never worked - it was some wacky placebo effect we forgot to account for".
So when are you lining up for your 48 vaccines? I've asked you and the other pro-vaccinators this over and over and never an answer. I mentioned before that since you're afraid of needles, you can do it in batches of 7. It will only take 7 times. why does that even come up? Assuming that I'm actually totally hypocritically writing my posts, secretly terrified that they'll be polluting my precious bodily fluids if I got immunized, why would that matter? (unnecessary disclaimer: I'm not worried at all). But I have no idea whether I've had 48 or 480 or 4.8 of my vaccines and sorry you can't shame me into caring... if I re-enter kindergarten I'm sure they'll check then. Maybe they'll check when they institutionalize me for something more age-appropriate, and they're welcome to load me up then.
Doctors are given a two week course on vaccines but years of corporate salespeople who visit them. Enough vaccine and pharmaceutical whistleblowers have come forth to say this. (patronizing sigh.. maybe finally giving in and getting closer to ridicule) ok, re-read my posts. For example:
" You true believers are unshakable in your conviction that your research gives you insight into a truth that the rest of us are either to ignorant or lazy or bought-off to understand. Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are."
I mean, I wrote it so I could be expected to know what it meant to say, but unlike some of my more off-the-cuff, poorly-edited rants, this post seems pretty clear. The weak "attempt at ridicule" maybe should be seen as an observation that on many issues, including this one, there's way too much certainty and way too little questioning of credentials that support a chosen point of view, finding opponents tainted by conflicts of interest while simultaneously embracing random "whistleblowers" as totally credible. I fully agree that doctors aren't fully authoritative voices, I hope I've never said differently. They're trained in process more than they're trained in scientific research. In fact I know damn well I've written that outlier views are valuable in context. To reiterate: vaccines have benefits. They have dangers. Many people have and continue to examine them for efficacy and safety. The general verdict is in favor of wide-spread, even compulsory use of them. Those that disagree aren't being very effectively silenced, but hell yes, they're not winning either the hearts-and-minds of the majority or the policy battles in government.
That may change, because on occasion widely-held scientific beliefs are found wrong. That happens far less often than most people think - what happens instead is that over-simplified views of scientific concensus are replaced by different over-simplified views of a slightly modified concensus. It's pretty unlikely that anyone's going to say "oops, C02 never did have much to do with global warming" or "sorry 'bout that, vaccines never worked - it was some wacky placebo effect we forgot to account for".
So when are you lining up for your 48 vaccines? I've asked you and the other pro-vaccinators this over and over and never an answer. I mentioned before that since you're afraid of needles, you can do it in batches of 7. It will only take 7 times. why does that even come up? Assuming that I'm actually totally hypocritically writing my posts, secretly terrified that they'll be polluting my precious bodily fluids if I got immunized, why would that matter? (unnecessary disclaimer: I'm not worried at all). But I have no idea whether I've had 48 or 480 or 4.8 of my vaccines and sorry you can't shame me into caring... if I re-enter kindergarten I'm sure they'll check then. Maybe they'll check when they institutionalize me for something more age-appropriate, and they're welcome to load me up then.
HolisticKids
07-02-2015, 09:53 AM
I don't waste my time arguing with this sort of nonsense, and I suggest we all just let it go. I'm here to help parents protect their children and keep them as healthy as possible. I post as much as I can for the people who want and need this info, and ignore people who are just trying to stir things up with no real knowledge about the situation.
It's interesting that you have continually stated only your opinions on the vaccine issue but seem to dismiss, discount and attempt to ridicule others if it's anything that isn't censored media and Big Pharma propaganda. You have patterned this over and over on many topics.
It's interesting that you have continually stated only your opinions on the vaccine issue but seem to dismiss, discount and attempt to ridicule others if it's anything that isn't censored media and Big Pharma propaganda. You have patterned this over and over on many topics.
sharingwisdom
07-02-2015, 08:03 PM
Your continued sarcasm says little but continued sarcasm. Your devil-advocacy doesn't make for a more educated stance on the state of emergency that has presented itself in California and soon the whole country. As far as I'm concerned (and perhaps others), you have not shown any important information in what is happening in this country around our rights being taken away, our bodies used as experiments, the deception and lies that are so blatantly obvious to those who can see past a Monsanto sign...and basically defend it...while then throwing in a tidbit of support.
I don't do crumbs laden with spinning wheels. I'm wasn't even attempting to be sarcastic when I mentioned about lining up for your shots. I wanted to know straight out. If you think vaccines are the pancea to health and defend the corporations and CDC/FDA, which go right to Wall St and more, then I think you and the rest of those who believe this need to be in the front of the line as models of care and well being. But you won't. And we know it. And neither will Pan and his cohorts...he'll just sacrifice the little ones so he can get his financial payback for the corporations.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html?fb_action_ids=10207167419811687&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B867741213275528%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
And what you say has little basis on what is beyond censored media. This thread has shown researched information over and over, and what we hear back is often, "We don't really read those...it takes too much time." OR "They aren't credible or science-based." OR "It's another YouTube. Why isn't it an article?" And then we show articles that are from censored media, and we are told that they don't count and who is being discussed is a quack. It's been consistent in the way this thread has patterned, and it's all about opinions of people who are not willing to do the research that is separate from the gov't agencies with their corporate backings.
So why is there no liability for injuries from corporations that occur from vaccines? And there are thousands and thousands and thousands of children and adults...including in my family. Impunity and unaccountability to damaging future generations doesn't sit well with me. You've not answered this which has been asked over and over.
Former Big Pharma Rep, Gwen Olsen, says they are trained to misinform…drugs are dangerous
(https://healthland.time.com/2012/09/24/a-doctors-dilemma-when-crucial-new-drug-data-is-hidden/)https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/
So why have 3 doctors been murdered recently around this issue?
Merck created “hit list” to destroy, neutralize or discredit dissenting doctors
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/
A Doctor’s Dilemma: When Crucial New-Drug Data Is Hidden
Goldacre further describes how drug companies hide data about medication risks that affect children, how they attempt to intimidate the employers of researchers who produce results they don’t like, and how they routinely withhold safety data in various other ways that do harm to patients.
https://healthland.time.com/2012/09/24/a-doctors-dilemma-when-crucial-new-drug-data-is-hidden/
(https://healthland.time.com/2012/09/24/a-doctors-dilemma-when-crucial-new-drug-data-is-hidden/)I'm writing a book on the healing of childhood abuse, a trauma paradigm, and am complete with this thread. I welcome reading those who are supporting a change in this worldly paradigm and restoration of our freedoms in a better, healthier and sustainable way that goes beyond the structures that are corrupt, new ways which means accountability, transparency, truth-sharing, courage, caring, and real depth understanding of what is going on. These are the virtues that will help shift what is going on now, and not discussing it further with you.
And deep gratitude to Jane, Alex, Shandi, Arthunter... and to others who don't want to be public and have written me privately. I know how courageous you are and how you care. This will make a difference, and we are growing stronger.
(patronizing sigh.. maybe finally giving in and getting closer to ridicule) ok, re-read my posts...
I don't do crumbs laden with spinning wheels. I'm wasn't even attempting to be sarcastic when I mentioned about lining up for your shots. I wanted to know straight out. If you think vaccines are the pancea to health and defend the corporations and CDC/FDA, which go right to Wall St and more, then I think you and the rest of those who believe this need to be in the front of the line as models of care and well being. But you won't. And we know it. And neither will Pan and his cohorts...he'll just sacrifice the little ones so he can get his financial payback for the corporations.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article24913978.html?fb_action_ids=10207167419811687&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B867741213275528%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
And what you say has little basis on what is beyond censored media. This thread has shown researched information over and over, and what we hear back is often, "We don't really read those...it takes too much time." OR "They aren't credible or science-based." OR "It's another YouTube. Why isn't it an article?" And then we show articles that are from censored media, and we are told that they don't count and who is being discussed is a quack. It's been consistent in the way this thread has patterned, and it's all about opinions of people who are not willing to do the research that is separate from the gov't agencies with their corporate backings.
So why is there no liability for injuries from corporations that occur from vaccines? And there are thousands and thousands and thousands of children and adults...including in my family. Impunity and unaccountability to damaging future generations doesn't sit well with me. You've not answered this which has been asked over and over.
Former Big Pharma Rep, Gwen Olsen, says they are trained to misinform…drugs are dangerous
(https://healthland.time.com/2012/09/24/a-doctors-dilemma-when-crucial-new-drug-data-is-hidden/)https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/
So why have 3 doctors been murdered recently around this issue?
Merck created “hit list” to destroy, neutralize or discredit dissenting doctors
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/
A Doctor’s Dilemma: When Crucial New-Drug Data Is Hidden
Goldacre further describes how drug companies hide data about medication risks that affect children, how they attempt to intimidate the employers of researchers who produce results they don’t like, and how they routinely withhold safety data in various other ways that do harm to patients.
https://healthland.time.com/2012/09/24/a-doctors-dilemma-when-crucial-new-drug-data-is-hidden/
(https://healthland.time.com/2012/09/24/a-doctors-dilemma-when-crucial-new-drug-data-is-hidden/)I'm writing a book on the healing of childhood abuse, a trauma paradigm, and am complete with this thread. I welcome reading those who are supporting a change in this worldly paradigm and restoration of our freedoms in a better, healthier and sustainable way that goes beyond the structures that are corrupt, new ways which means accountability, transparency, truth-sharing, courage, caring, and real depth understanding of what is going on. These are the virtues that will help shift what is going on now, and not discussing it further with you.
And deep gratitude to Jane, Alex, Shandi, Arthunter... and to others who don't want to be public and have written me privately. I know how courageous you are and how you care. This will make a difference, and we are growing stronger.
(patronizing sigh.. maybe finally giving in and getting closer to ridicule) ok, re-read my posts...
arthunter
07-02-2015, 08:36 PM
Slightly off topic, I know, but related .... folks, it is REALLY time to wake up and pay attention ...
3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/3-alternative-health-doctors-dead-run-ins-feds/
the first doctor mentioned had linked vaccines to autism ...
https://yournewswire.com/body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/
and ...
Study: Democracy on the Retreat in More Than 96 of the 193 UN Member States
https://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31595-study-democracy-on-the-retreat-in-more-than-96-of-the-193-un-member-states
(https://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31595-study-democracy-on-the-retreat-in-more-than-96-of-the-193-un-member-states)this article doesn't even mention what's happening in US, UK, Canada, Australia, and other countries where freedom of speech and freedom of choice is under attack ....
3 Alternative Health Doctors Found Dead In the Last 2 Weeks After Run-Ins With The Feds
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/3-alternative-health-doctors-dead-run-ins-feds/
the first doctor mentioned had linked vaccines to autism ...
https://yournewswire.com/body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/
and ...
Study: Democracy on the Retreat in More Than 96 of the 193 UN Member States
https://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31595-study-democracy-on-the-retreat-in-more-than-96-of-the-193-un-member-states
(https://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31595-study-democracy-on-the-retreat-in-more-than-96-of-the-193-un-member-states)this article doesn't even mention what's happening in US, UK, Canada, Australia, and other countries where freedom of speech and freedom of choice is under attack ....
Alex
07-02-2015, 09:45 PM
... You true believers are unshakable in your conviction that your research gives you insight into a truth that the rest of us are either to ignorant or lazy or bought-off to understand...
Yes, it feels like an annoying fly that won't go away when someone who is ignorant of 31902what he's criticizing - totally incapable of explaining exactly why the anti-vaxxers he's ridiculing have these convictions beyond any shadow of a doubt.... keeps buzzing and buzzing with pithy smug comment after pithy smug comment from behind a cloudy teeny hole of perspective.
Anti-vaxxers fully understand all pro-vax arguments, but you or any pro-vaxxers can't explain what 100,000's from all walks of life find so substantial and why it's so convincing. A quickly growing mass of very concerned and educated people are now feeling forced to surface who all share the same convictions for the same reasons due to having taken the time to sort the gigantic mess of puzzle pieces and are uniformly horrified by the truth.
Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are.
Giving weight to 'popular wisdom' is a logical fallacy Bandwagon Argument, and backhandedly alluding to 'more evidence' for your opinion is a cheap and dishonest exaggeration unless you can back it with the perspective of what all this evidence is... which needs to include both sides of all valid data. You have shown no ability to do so which again contributes nothing of substance to this extremely important thread. I need a fly swatter.
A 'logical fallacy' or 'logically flawed argument' is what people resort to when they have zero substance to put on the table. https://mason.gmu.edu/~cmcgloth/portfolio/fallacies/fallacies.html
Yes, it feels like an annoying fly that won't go away when someone who is ignorant of 31902what he's criticizing - totally incapable of explaining exactly why the anti-vaxxers he's ridiculing have these convictions beyond any shadow of a doubt.... keeps buzzing and buzzing with pithy smug comment after pithy smug comment from behind a cloudy teeny hole of perspective.
Anti-vaxxers fully understand all pro-vax arguments, but you or any pro-vaxxers can't explain what 100,000's from all walks of life find so substantial and why it's so convincing. A quickly growing mass of very concerned and educated people are now feeling forced to surface who all share the same convictions for the same reasons due to having taken the time to sort the gigantic mess of puzzle pieces and are uniformly horrified by the truth.
Maybe so, but the other explanation is that the 'popular wisdom' is based on more evidence than are the fringe points of view - which statistically, the anti-vaxxers are.
Giving weight to 'popular wisdom' is a logical fallacy Bandwagon Argument, and backhandedly alluding to 'more evidence' for your opinion is a cheap and dishonest exaggeration unless you can back it with the perspective of what all this evidence is... which needs to include both sides of all valid data. You have shown no ability to do so which again contributes nothing of substance to this extremely important thread. I need a fly swatter.
A 'logical fallacy' or 'logically flawed argument' is what people resort to when they have zero substance to put on the table. https://mason.gmu.edu/~cmcgloth/portfolio/fallacies/fallacies.html
Shandi
07-03-2015, 06:13 AM
You continue to share the wisdom of diligent research, along with the handful of others you mention. Personally, I think it may be best to let this go. There's no convincing someone with facts when they are hooked on fallacies promoted by mainstream media. It's easy to push an agenda on someone else, while refusing to do what is being forced on others. It's the old position of "do as I say, not as I do".
Your continued sarcasm says little but continued sarcasm. Your devil-advocacy doesn't make for a more educated stance on the state of emergency that has presented itself ...
Your continued sarcasm says little but continued sarcasm. Your devil-advocacy doesn't make for a more educated stance on the state of emergency that has presented itself ...
arthunter
07-03-2015, 10:39 PM
Here's some more "end of freedom as we knew it" for you ...
Adults Targeted as Federal Government Prepares to Track the Unvaccinated
https://tinyurl.com/nszlnyf
Adults Targeted as Federal Government Prepares to Track the Unvaccinated
https://tinyurl.com/nszlnyf
arthunter
07-03-2015, 11:11 PM
Autism Rates Explode In Asia After Introducing Western Vaccines
https://yournewswire.com/autism-rates-explode-in-asia-after-introducing-western-vaccines/
https://yournewswire.com/autism-rates-explode-in-asia-after-introducing-western-vaccines/
sharingwisdom
07-04-2015, 04:04 PM
Here is something for anyone who has contacts and a few minutes to let other MD, DO, DDS,OD, ND, TCM, DC who are opposed to mandated vaccinations in any state or country.
Please have them contact Michelle Veneziano, DO. at [email protected]. She and others have OVER 200 docs signed on and growing rapidly.
Please have them contact Michelle Veneziano, DO. at [email protected]. She and others have OVER 200 docs signed on and growing rapidly.
arthunter
07-08-2015, 10:49 AM
86 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
"*The list has been updated and now contains 100 citations.
Media reports have claimed that there is no scientific evidence supporting the link between vaccines and autism. Here we provide for the reader research that demonstrates the link between vaccines and autism, and the mechanisms by which vaccines can cause autism."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link
"*The list has been updated and now contains 100 citations.
Media reports have claimed that there is no scientific evidence supporting the link between vaccines and autism. Here we provide for the reader research that demonstrates the link between vaccines and autism, and the mechanisms by which vaccines can cause autism."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link
Shandi
07-08-2015, 08:46 PM
The problem with providing 100 or 1000 research papers for those who are convinced that vaccines "do no harm", is that they are not likely to change those beliefs until one of their own loved ones or friends are affected. Even then, they may attribute the health issue to something else. We don't easily give up our beliefs in the benefits of vaccines no more than we would give up our beliefs in heaven and hell. Faith is the basis of belief in what we hope to be true. From this position our minds are never prepared to accept the "difficult truths". Only those who have an "open" mind may consider evidence that is contrary to their beliefs. Some people don't need research papers to believe, they hold the evidence in their arms as they gaze helplessly at their child whose life is forever changed, or taken from them.
86 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
"*The list has been updated and now contains 100 citations.
Media reports have claimed that there is no scientific evidence supporting the link between vaccines and autism. Here we provide for the reader research that demonstrates the link between vaccines and autism, and the mechanisms by which vaccines can cause autism."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link
86 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
"*The list has been updated and now contains 100 citations.
Media reports have claimed that there is no scientific evidence supporting the link between vaccines and autism. Here we provide for the reader research that demonstrates the link between vaccines and autism, and the mechanisms by which vaccines can cause autism."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/86-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link
arthunter
07-08-2015, 09:53 PM
I think that you have a point here, Shandi, but I also think that times are a changing .... most of us do not want to believe that our professionals would hurt us, we don't want to believe that our governments would lie to us, we don't want to believe that our media would mislead us ... but ... as time goes on one starts to realize that things might not be as they seem ... bad laws, brutality, censorship, poverty, pollution, injustice, corruption... the knowledge is cumulative, constantly chipping away at our beliefs ... at the moment I see most things being questioned ...
The problem with providing 100 or 1000 research papers....
The problem with providing 100 or 1000 research papers....
Shandi
07-09-2015, 07:20 AM
As you say, most things may be questioned, as we watch the overall injustice of a system we once looked to as benevolent. Although, I doubt if it ever really was. Our historical records have been crafted to control and manipulate our perceptions of our country, our religions and our corporations. Truth was never the intention. How many of us in writing our life story would include criminal behavior that could have sent us to prison? Would we even share it with those closest to us? Would we reveal that to anyone?
As I share some "difficult truths" with people around me, I see disbelief. Some welcome the information, but many show doubt. Maybe it's because I live with a generation that never questioned authority. Some people actually say "Don't tell me; I don't want to know".
The 60's generation started to crack the egg that had been incubating for so long. Once the truth spilled out, there was no confining it again. It seeped into every crevice, and touched even those whose beliefs had once offered protection from realities they could never imagine.
I'm glad to see that the youth are asking questions about the topics you named. They are also bringing solutions to some problems that we, in our youth, could never have imagined. As the old corrupt ones in power die off, my hope is that there will be a tsunami of new energy to destroy systems that have sucked our life blood for too long. Each of us who question, add a few drops to the wave that's been building for a long time.
I think that you have a point here, Shandi, but ...
As I share some "difficult truths" with people around me, I see disbelief. Some welcome the information, but many show doubt. Maybe it's because I live with a generation that never questioned authority. Some people actually say "Don't tell me; I don't want to know".
The 60's generation started to crack the egg that had been incubating for so long. Once the truth spilled out, there was no confining it again. It seeped into every crevice, and touched even those whose beliefs had once offered protection from realities they could never imagine.
I'm glad to see that the youth are asking questions about the topics you named. They are also bringing solutions to some problems that we, in our youth, could never have imagined. As the old corrupt ones in power die off, my hope is that there will be a tsunami of new energy to destroy systems that have sucked our life blood for too long. Each of us who question, add a few drops to the wave that's been building for a long time.
I think that you have a point here, Shandi, but ...
Alex
07-10-2015, 09:27 AM
Courtesy posting by request of intheflow88 and AVoiceForChoice.org (https://avoiceforchoice.org/) representative Christine Hildebrand with my full support.
31973
As most of you probably know, SB277 is not the only bill going through the CA legislature that will mandate vaccines. SB792 as currently written will mandate the measles, pertussis and flu vaccine, which really means MMR, TDaP and influenza, for all child care workers (day care/preschool/afterschool) and does not provide non-medical exemption for the MMR and TDaP (does for the flu vaccine). This is the first bill of its kind in the US. Texas has a child care worker law that is similar, but has a personal belief exemption. Even health care workers and doctors currently have personal belief exemptions for vaccines.
Given that there have been no outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases in child care facilities and given that we do not have any idea of what the current vaccination rates are in the child care worker population, the opposition feels that mandating vaccines with criminal consequences and without a non-medical exemption is unwarranted at this time.The bill has passed the Senate and is now in the Assembly and along the way has been significantly amended – it used to include the whole CDC Adult recommended vaccine schedule! However, we still urge a NO vote, but that is unlikely to happen, so we are asking for amendments to make it more palatable.
Please email or fax the Human Services Committee and fax the committee members a letter requesting their no vote unless further amended.
Human Services Committee – email: [email protected]; Fax: 916.319.2189
Kansen Chu (Chair) – Fax: (916) 319-2125
Chad Mayes (Vice Chair) – Fax: (916) 319-2142
Ian C. Calderon– Fax: (916) 319-2157
Patty López – Fax: (916) 319-2139
Brian Maienschein– Fax: (916) 319-2177
Mark Stone– Fax: (916) 319-2129
Tony Thurmond– Fax: (916) 319-2115
Our two greatest concerns are that non-compliance with the way the bill is currently written is a criminal act and that there is no non-medical exemption available for measles and pertussis. We are requesting the following amendments:
· Add a non-medical exemption for all required vaccines, which would allow compliance and decriminalize non-compliance.
· Add a fee if the employee files this non-medical exemption.
· Add a fee in the same amount to the child care facility licensing fees.
· Add a statement to the posting information if a child care facility has one or more employees with a non-medical exemption
The addition of the non-medical exemption would allow child care workers to opt out, but the addition of the fee and posting information requirements, if a child care worker signs the non-medical exemption, would deter employees from abusing the non-medical exemption. Note: we have requested a non-medical exemption for all without the fee and posting requirements and it has been rejected).Please email and fax asap. The Committee hearing is Tuesday at 1:30.
Thanks!
Christina
31973
As most of you probably know, SB277 is not the only bill going through the CA legislature that will mandate vaccines. SB792 as currently written will mandate the measles, pertussis and flu vaccine, which really means MMR, TDaP and influenza, for all child care workers (day care/preschool/afterschool) and does not provide non-medical exemption for the MMR and TDaP (does for the flu vaccine). This is the first bill of its kind in the US. Texas has a child care worker law that is similar, but has a personal belief exemption. Even health care workers and doctors currently have personal belief exemptions for vaccines.
Given that there have been no outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases in child care facilities and given that we do not have any idea of what the current vaccination rates are in the child care worker population, the opposition feels that mandating vaccines with criminal consequences and without a non-medical exemption is unwarranted at this time.The bill has passed the Senate and is now in the Assembly and along the way has been significantly amended – it used to include the whole CDC Adult recommended vaccine schedule! However, we still urge a NO vote, but that is unlikely to happen, so we are asking for amendments to make it more palatable.
Please email or fax the Human Services Committee and fax the committee members a letter requesting their no vote unless further amended.
Human Services Committee – email: [email protected]; Fax: 916.319.2189
Kansen Chu (Chair) – Fax: (916) 319-2125
Chad Mayes (Vice Chair) – Fax: (916) 319-2142
Ian C. Calderon– Fax: (916) 319-2157
Patty López – Fax: (916) 319-2139
Brian Maienschein– Fax: (916) 319-2177
Mark Stone– Fax: (916) 319-2129
Tony Thurmond– Fax: (916) 319-2115
Our two greatest concerns are that non-compliance with the way the bill is currently written is a criminal act and that there is no non-medical exemption available for measles and pertussis. We are requesting the following amendments:
· Add a non-medical exemption for all required vaccines, which would allow compliance and decriminalize non-compliance.
· Add a fee if the employee files this non-medical exemption.
· Add a fee in the same amount to the child care facility licensing fees.
· Add a statement to the posting information if a child care facility has one or more employees with a non-medical exemption
The addition of the non-medical exemption would allow child care workers to opt out, but the addition of the fee and posting information requirements, if a child care worker signs the non-medical exemption, would deter employees from abusing the non-medical exemption. Note: we have requested a non-medical exemption for all without the fee and posting requirements and it has been rejected).Please email and fax asap. The Committee hearing is Tuesday at 1:30.
Thanks!
Christina
HolisticKids
07-10-2015, 11:08 AM
Thanks for posting this. Shameful, though, since it will get passed and, like SB277, is not going to protect anyone.
I just want to mention that this is not true:
Even health care workers and doctors currently have personal belief exemptions for vaccines.
Doctors in private practice can do what they want, of course, no one would know. But nurses and other health care workers do not have personal belief exemptions, and even medical exemptions are extremely hard to get since most hospitals won't accept them. It's only the flu vaccine that they might possibly be able to refuse and then they have to wear a mask every day for 6 months. Nurses who refuse the other required vaccines are fired and unable to work in the industry. I know several people who really want to go into nursing, but are not because of this policy. These are people who would make the best nurses and we are losing them.
It's not a law, it's hospital policy, and the reason it's policy is because the federal government gives hospitals monetary compensation for high vaccine rates. Sick system.
If anyone thinks that this policy will keep patients from getting sick, you should know this:
It's the doctors and nurses that have gotten the flu mist vaccine (live virus) up their nose that are spreading the flu virus around. It's right there in the vaccine package insert that it's a live virus and it sheds for several weeks. And the latest CDC estimate is that the flu vaccine is around 23% effective. How's that for great protection?
Ironically, the only good thing about wearing the mask might be that it might protect them from the nurses who have had the flu mist vaccine.
Same stuff will happen with day care workers. We'll lose the good ones who understand what's happening and care about their health.
It's not about public health or good science. If it was then public health officials would be mandating appropriate doses of vitamin D and breastfeeding, rather than vaccines. But that doesn't do anything for the pharmaceutical companies. Sick system.
Jane
I just want to mention that this is not true:
Even health care workers and doctors currently have personal belief exemptions for vaccines.
Doctors in private practice can do what they want, of course, no one would know. But nurses and other health care workers do not have personal belief exemptions, and even medical exemptions are extremely hard to get since most hospitals won't accept them. It's only the flu vaccine that they might possibly be able to refuse and then they have to wear a mask every day for 6 months. Nurses who refuse the other required vaccines are fired and unable to work in the industry. I know several people who really want to go into nursing, but are not because of this policy. These are people who would make the best nurses and we are losing them.
It's not a law, it's hospital policy, and the reason it's policy is because the federal government gives hospitals monetary compensation for high vaccine rates. Sick system.
If anyone thinks that this policy will keep patients from getting sick, you should know this:
It's the doctors and nurses that have gotten the flu mist vaccine (live virus) up their nose that are spreading the flu virus around. It's right there in the vaccine package insert that it's a live virus and it sheds for several weeks. And the latest CDC estimate is that the flu vaccine is around 23% effective. How's that for great protection?
Ironically, the only good thing about wearing the mask might be that it might protect them from the nurses who have had the flu mist vaccine.
Same stuff will happen with day care workers. We'll lose the good ones who understand what's happening and care about their health.
It's not about public health or good science. If it was then public health officials would be mandating appropriate doses of vitamin D and breastfeeding, rather than vaccines. But that doesn't do anything for the pharmaceutical companies. Sick system.
Jane
intheflow88
07-18-2015, 10:06 AM
<br><br>Christina Hildenbrand says that because SB277 is not constitutional, it should not go to a referendum.
Please see https://www.autisminvestigated.com/sb277-unconstitutional
Excerpt: The case for SB277’s unconstitutionality and that of a similar law revoking the secular choice exemption in Vermont needs to be argued correctly to effectively maximize the possibility that these laws will die and never return from the dead.
Please see https://www.autisminvestigated.com/sb277-unconstitutional
Excerpt: The case for SB277’s unconstitutionality and that of a similar law revoking the secular choice exemption in Vermont needs to be argued correctly to effectively maximize the possibility that these laws will die and never return from the dead.
HolisticKids
07-20-2015, 08:24 PM
from Wendy Silvers, Million Mamas Movement
https://millionmamasmovement.org/
Since Gov. Brown signed SB277 into law, there have been many questions and concerns about what are we to do, where are we to go. I have spent a lot of time in thought and conversation about what is our next steps. We want to let you know where the Million Mamas Movement stands. We are in this to win this! The Million Mamas Movement is dedicated to empowering mamas and ensuring that all mamas, all children, all families thrive. This means that this is a multi-prong campaign, a group effort, not just one thing. However, it must be well thought out and executed, and, undergirded by a consciousness of potential and possibility. We are committed to upholding and revealing truth - that is the charge here.
As I was quoted saying on KABC-TV, this is a People's Revolution - a spiritual and cultural revolution. In order to move the needle, we must coalesce through our actions and shift the perception in the public's mind about who we are. As has been evidenced through what we've witnessed with SB277, most of the mainstream public has bought the pr campaign that is highly visible everywhere you turn via media and advertising.
As a former entertainment publicist who brought high visibility to many celebrities, films, tv and music projects, books, and executed many successful special events and premieres, I have experienced the success of a strategic public relations and marketing campaign. Case in point of a strategic public relations and marketing campaign is the indoctrination of the mainstream public into believing and staunchly, almost violently, supporting the belief that all vaccines are safe when the current ingredients are proven to be dangerous and deadly, that they are necessary for the continuance of our greater good and that anyone who questions this is fringe. That is the result of consistent public relations.
Imagine getting the pharmaceutical companies to spend alot of money cleaning up the current vaccines. Our goal: inform the public and transform the mindset that exists.
That being said, It is the Million Mamas Movement plan to support our doing many things, not one, as there is not one thing that will prove to be THE solution. One of the most important things to do is to EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE. This occurs through a unified message.
So, this means YES to sb277referendum.com (https://sb277referendum.com/) YES to lawsuits, YES to town halls, YES to events such as Million Man March on 10/10/15 - how about a MILLION MAMAS going to that, YES to the CDC event on 10/24/15 with a MILLION MAMAS and PAPAS, YES to social media, YES to boots on the ground talking with neighbors and all over, YES to meeting with our elected officials, YES to supporting each other, YES to prayer circles.
This is an ongoing, wholistic project and requires all talents, all hands, all hearts, on deck. If this speaks to you, and you'd like to become more actively involved, there are many ways to do so. The Million Mamas Movement is interested in adding to to our strategic team to support our collective efforts. Please PM me or email: [email protected].
Many blessings, and,
as MMM advisory board member, Michael B. Beckwith says,
OMward.
Wendy Silvers, Founder, Million Mamas Movement
https://millionmamasmovement.org/
Since Gov. Brown signed SB277 into law, there have been many questions and concerns about what are we to do, where are we to go. I have spent a lot of time in thought and conversation about what is our next steps. We want to let you know where the Million Mamas Movement stands. We are in this to win this! The Million Mamas Movement is dedicated to empowering mamas and ensuring that all mamas, all children, all families thrive. This means that this is a multi-prong campaign, a group effort, not just one thing. However, it must be well thought out and executed, and, undergirded by a consciousness of potential and possibility. We are committed to upholding and revealing truth - that is the charge here.
As I was quoted saying on KABC-TV, this is a People's Revolution - a spiritual and cultural revolution. In order to move the needle, we must coalesce through our actions and shift the perception in the public's mind about who we are. As has been evidenced through what we've witnessed with SB277, most of the mainstream public has bought the pr campaign that is highly visible everywhere you turn via media and advertising.
As a former entertainment publicist who brought high visibility to many celebrities, films, tv and music projects, books, and executed many successful special events and premieres, I have experienced the success of a strategic public relations and marketing campaign. Case in point of a strategic public relations and marketing campaign is the indoctrination of the mainstream public into believing and staunchly, almost violently, supporting the belief that all vaccines are safe when the current ingredients are proven to be dangerous and deadly, that they are necessary for the continuance of our greater good and that anyone who questions this is fringe. That is the result of consistent public relations.
Imagine getting the pharmaceutical companies to spend alot of money cleaning up the current vaccines. Our goal: inform the public and transform the mindset that exists.
That being said, It is the Million Mamas Movement plan to support our doing many things, not one, as there is not one thing that will prove to be THE solution. One of the most important things to do is to EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE. This occurs through a unified message.
So, this means YES to sb277referendum.com (https://sb277referendum.com/) YES to lawsuits, YES to town halls, YES to events such as Million Man March on 10/10/15 - how about a MILLION MAMAS going to that, YES to the CDC event on 10/24/15 with a MILLION MAMAS and PAPAS, YES to social media, YES to boots on the ground talking with neighbors and all over, YES to meeting with our elected officials, YES to supporting each other, YES to prayer circles.
This is an ongoing, wholistic project and requires all talents, all hands, all hearts, on deck. If this speaks to you, and you'd like to become more actively involved, there are many ways to do so. The Million Mamas Movement is interested in adding to to our strategic team to support our collective efforts. Please PM me or email: [email protected].
Many blessings, and,
as MMM advisory board member, Michael B. Beckwith says,
OMward.
Wendy Silvers, Founder, Million Mamas Movement
HolisticKids
07-20-2015, 08:50 PM
Alan Phillips is a vaccine attorney who wrote this letter stating that the referendum is our best chance. I agree with his line of reasoning.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=847325958636041&set=gm.795691453877409&type=1&theater
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=847325958636041&set=gm.795691453877409&type=1&theater)Jane
Christina Hildenbrand says that because SB277 is not constitutional, it should not go to a referendum.
Please see https://www.autisminvestigated.com/sb277-unconstitutional
Excerpt: The case for SB277’s unconstitutionality and that of a similar law revoking the secular choice exemption in Vermont needs to be argued correctly to effectively maximize the possibility that these laws will die and never return from the dead.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=847325958636041&set=gm.795691453877409&type=1&theater
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=847325958636041&set=gm.795691453877409&type=1&theater)Jane
Christina Hildenbrand says that because SB277 is not constitutional, it should not go to a referendum.
Please see https://www.autisminvestigated.com/sb277-unconstitutional
Excerpt: The case for SB277’s unconstitutionality and that of a similar law revoking the secular choice exemption in Vermont needs to be argued correctly to effectively maximize the possibility that these laws will die and never return from the dead.
Shandi
07-20-2015, 08:53 PM
BRAVO! I appreciate these efforts, and am willing to participate in networking it, in my neighborhood community, on my FB page, and other places..... wherever I can. I hope to see many in our Wacco community willing to participate with their most appropriate action, to support their words. This is an important call to stand in mutuality, for what we believe.
Stand now, or stand later....in line for your forced vaccines.
from Wendy Silvers, Million Mamas Movement
https://millionmamasmovement.org/
...
Stand now, or stand later....in line for your forced vaccines.
from Wendy Silvers, Million Mamas Movement
https://millionmamasmovement.org/
...
arthunter
07-25-2015, 12:26 PM
I don't recall if this was already posted on this thread so forgive me if I'm repeating information ...
Bought movie - the Truth Behind Big Pharma, Vaccines and your Food ... free viewing ...
https://www.boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/
Bought movie - the Truth Behind Big Pharma, Vaccines and your Food ... free viewing ...
https://www.boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/
HolisticKids
07-28-2015, 09:30 PM
Is anyone in Sonoma County collecting signatures for the referendum to stop SB277? And what are the places and times that we can sign?
Thanks,
Jane
Thanks,
Jane
HolisticKids
07-28-2015, 09:41 PM
I sort of just answered my question - we can go here to sign up to receive updates on when and where we can sign:
https://sb277referendum.com/californians-against-sb277/
Here is the referendum Facebook page for Sonoma County:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/974297069257600/
Is anyone in Sonoma County collecting signatures for the referendum to stop SB277? And what are the places and times that we can sign?
Thanks,
Jane
https://sb277referendum.com/californians-against-sb277/
Here is the referendum Facebook page for Sonoma County:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/974297069257600/
Is anyone in Sonoma County collecting signatures for the referendum to stop SB277? And what are the places and times that we can sign?
Thanks,
Jane
michelet
07-28-2015, 09:50 PM
Is anyone in Sonoma County collecting signatures for the referendum to stop SB277? And what are the places and times that we can sign?
Thanks,
Jane
go to fb "referendum sb277", https://www.facebook.com/SB277Referendum?fref=ts
Thanks,
Jane
go to fb "referendum sb277", https://www.facebook.com/SB277Referendum?fref=ts
arthunter
07-31-2015, 10:34 AM
a little good news from the Guardian ...
California senator who fought to make vaccines mandatory faces recall efforts
https://tinyurl.com/ovc8bud
California senator who fought to make vaccines mandatory faces recall efforts
https://tinyurl.com/ovc8bud
Shandi
07-31-2015, 12:42 PM
One part of the article in the Guardian really struck me: (The last sentence)
"Aaron Mills, a volunteer leader of the recall effort in Sacramento, said his group is “just getting started”, but says he is fighting to oust Pan because he is concerned that SB277 is a “bad precedent” that could lead to other medical mandates.
“I just want to make my own decisions for my family,” he said. “I’m just tired of politics as usual catering to special interest groups instead of the constitutional rights of the people who elect them.”
Opponents of the vaccine law are also attacking the measure on other fronts. Former California assembly member Tim Donnelly, a Tea Party activist who now has a radio show, is leading a referendum drive against the law, which is also currently gathering signatures.
If successful, it would nullify the law. But that effort would need about 366,000 signatures in the coming weeks, a much higher threshold than the recall effort. Still, Donnelly said that he has already paid to print 100,000 petitions and has 1,500 volunteers trained to collect signatures in key areas across the state, and 3,500 more who are willing to help. He added that the effort is galvanizing both conservative voters concerned about civil liberties as well as liberal parents doubtful of vaccine safety. “I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said. “We’ve got hardcore Christian conservatives working side by side with people on the far left.”
a little good news from the Guardian ...
California senator who fought to make vaccines mandatory faces recall efforts
https://tinyurl.com/ovc8bud
"Aaron Mills, a volunteer leader of the recall effort in Sacramento, said his group is “just getting started”, but says he is fighting to oust Pan because he is concerned that SB277 is a “bad precedent” that could lead to other medical mandates.
“I just want to make my own decisions for my family,” he said. “I’m just tired of politics as usual catering to special interest groups instead of the constitutional rights of the people who elect them.”
Opponents of the vaccine law are also attacking the measure on other fronts. Former California assembly member Tim Donnelly, a Tea Party activist who now has a radio show, is leading a referendum drive against the law, which is also currently gathering signatures.
If successful, it would nullify the law. But that effort would need about 366,000 signatures in the coming weeks, a much higher threshold than the recall effort. Still, Donnelly said that he has already paid to print 100,000 petitions and has 1,500 volunteers trained to collect signatures in key areas across the state, and 3,500 more who are willing to help. He added that the effort is galvanizing both conservative voters concerned about civil liberties as well as liberal parents doubtful of vaccine safety. “I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said. “We’ve got hardcore Christian conservatives working side by side with people on the far left.”
a little good news from the Guardian ...
California senator who fought to make vaccines mandatory faces recall efforts
https://tinyurl.com/ovc8bud
Glia
07-31-2015, 03:37 PM
Good news from several points of view! As an aside only marginally related to this thread, it seems to me that legitimate Christians and the lefty-liberal crowd are pretty much surfing the same wave.
"... He added that the effort is galvanizing both conservative voters concerned about civil liberties as well as liberal parents doubtful of vaccine safety. “I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said. “We’ve got hardcore Christian conservatives working side by side with people on the far left.”
"... He added that the effort is galvanizing both conservative voters concerned about civil liberties as well as liberal parents doubtful of vaccine safety. “I’ve never seen anything like it,” he said. “We’ve got hardcore Christian conservatives working side by side with people on the far left.”
Alex
08-01-2015, 11:02 AM
After some research, I'm also in agreement with Christina Hildebrand and very concerned that putting SB277 to a vote forced by referendum is NOT the best choice, and could impact legal proceedings both underway and planned.
Over 90% of the California population have chosen to inject their children. If the voting machines weren't also rigged anyway, I think the shallow thinking majority in California would fall for the propagandizing to come that this referendum would be 'voting against vaccines'.... and not see the overriding issue which is that it's more voting to overturn this gigantic precedent setting leap to facism.
I'm also not yet convinced that Tim Donnelly is not a controlled opposition shill, before and after. I can find very little past history of active opposition before SB277 passing, but there are instant massive google returns referring to his referendum. This tells me it's being pushed by the opposition knowing this vote would seal it in stone..... and would also serve nicely to gather the names of the California activist 'terrorists' both in pre voting signatures and gathering and ballot box data.
Over 90% of the California population have chosen to inject their children. If the voting machines weren't also rigged anyway, I think the shallow thinking majority in California would fall for the propagandizing to come that this referendum would be 'voting against vaccines'.... and not see the overriding issue which is that it's more voting to overturn this gigantic precedent setting leap to facism.
I'm also not yet convinced that Tim Donnelly is not a controlled opposition shill, before and after. I can find very little past history of active opposition before SB277 passing, but there are instant massive google returns referring to his referendum. This tells me it's being pushed by the opposition knowing this vote would seal it in stone..... and would also serve nicely to gather the names of the California activist 'terrorists' both in pre voting signatures and gathering and ballot box data.
Shandi
08-01-2015, 02:24 PM
Thank you Alex, for digging deeper and wider. I've already signed, damn it!
michelet
08-04-2015, 08:54 AM
yes you can contact
[email protected]
Is anyone in Sonoma County collecting signatures for the referendum to stop SB277? And what are the places and times that we can sign?
Thanks,
Jane
[email protected]
Is anyone in Sonoma County collecting signatures for the referendum to stop SB277? And what are the places and times that we can sign?
Thanks,
Jane
Alex
08-04-2015, 09:46 AM
'...Before the FDA raided Dr. Bradstreet's office and confiscated files June 2015 Dr. Bradstreet had published this statement: “Please help to protect me as I am those who helped me with this explosive information. Share everywhere so it is less likely they will come for me like they have for these now deceased doctors.”
Two days after his office was raided Dr. Bradstreet... with a full schedule of lectures and interview commitments... was found in a river with two bullets in his chest...'
- WHY DO AUTISTIC CHILDREN HAVE ELEVATED NAGALASE?32372
- WHAT DOES NAGALASE HAVE TO DO WITH VACCINES?
- WHAT IS GcMAF?
- WHY DID 5 HEALTHY, FULL AGENDA ALTERNATIVE DOCTORS SUDDENLY DIE and 4 GO MiSSING SOON AFTER THE FDA INTIMIDATED THEM?
- HOW DO YOU SHOOT YOURSELF TWICE IN THE CHEST?
https://m.snopes.com/2015/07/21/five-holistic-doctors-dead/
https://www.healthnutnews.com/2-more-mds-1-prominent-holistic-one-of-missing-docs-have-been-found-dead-bringing-the-total-to-8/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/29/anti-vaccine-doctor-behind-dangerous-autism-therapy-found-dead-family-cries-foul/
https://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html
https://www.dr-gonzalez.com/index.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/health/stephen-crohn-who-furthered-aids-study-dies-at-66.html?_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/health/stephen-crohn-who-furthered-aids-study-dies-at-66.html?_r=0)
....Like a stealth bomber, the Nagalase enzyme synthesized in and released from a cancer cell or a virus particle pinpoints the GcMAF production facilities on the surface of your T and B lymphocytes and then wipes them out with an incredibly precise bomb. How precise? Let me put it this way: Nagalase locates and attacks one specific two-electron bond located at, and only at, the 420th amino acid position on a huge protein molecule (DBP), one of tens of thousands of proteins, each containing millions of electrons. This is like selectively taking out a park bench in a major city from six thousand miles away. More astonishing, if that is possible, Nagalase never misses its target. There is no collateral damage.....
Nagalase is a protein blocker made by all cancer cells and viruses (HIV, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, influenza, herpes, Epstein-Barr virus, and others), causing immunodeficiency by blocking production of GcMAF -preventing the immune system from doing its job.
GcMAF is a naturally occurring process in the human body that starts off as a 'Gc protein'. The Gc protein in an healthy human body creates GcMAF to help protect the human immune system.
Dr. Bradstreet and Dr. Gonzalez proved unequivocably that Nagalase is being introduced into the body at vaccination.... and this Gc Protein blocking happens right at the beginning of Autism in infancy, not birth. They found that a treatment product by the same name of GcMAF (Globulin Component Macrophage Activating Factor or GC-Globulin) available in Europe were reversing autism, reversing tumors, shrinking tumors, curing cancers… but the FDA and pharmaceutical companies in the US had fought to make it illegal in the US and were lobbying viciously to keep it illegal.
GcMAF
https://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/book/4/
https://gcmaf.se/
https://www.betterhealthguy.com/gcmaf
https://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html
Two days after his office was raided Dr. Bradstreet... with a full schedule of lectures and interview commitments... was found in a river with two bullets in his chest...'
- WHY DO AUTISTIC CHILDREN HAVE ELEVATED NAGALASE?32372
- WHAT DOES NAGALASE HAVE TO DO WITH VACCINES?
- WHAT IS GcMAF?
- WHY DID 5 HEALTHY, FULL AGENDA ALTERNATIVE DOCTORS SUDDENLY DIE and 4 GO MiSSING SOON AFTER THE FDA INTIMIDATED THEM?
- HOW DO YOU SHOOT YOURSELF TWICE IN THE CHEST?
https://m.snopes.com/2015/07/21/five-holistic-doctors-dead/
https://www.healthnutnews.com/2-more-mds-1-prominent-holistic-one-of-missing-docs-have-been-found-dead-bringing-the-total-to-8/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/29/anti-vaccine-doctor-behind-dangerous-autism-therapy-found-dead-family-cries-foul/
https://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/dr-bradstreet-nagalase-and-the-viral-issue-in-autism.html
https://www.dr-gonzalez.com/index.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/health/stephen-crohn-who-furthered-aids-study-dies-at-66.html?_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/health/stephen-crohn-who-furthered-aids-study-dies-at-66.html?_r=0)
....Like a stealth bomber, the Nagalase enzyme synthesized in and released from a cancer cell or a virus particle pinpoints the GcMAF production facilities on the surface of your T and B lymphocytes and then wipes them out with an incredibly precise bomb. How precise? Let me put it this way: Nagalase locates and attacks one specific two-electron bond located at, and only at, the 420th amino acid position on a huge protein molecule (DBP), one of tens of thousands of proteins, each containing millions of electrons. This is like selectively taking out a park bench in a major city from six thousand miles away. More astonishing, if that is possible, Nagalase never misses its target. There is no collateral damage.....
Nagalase is a protein blocker made by all cancer cells and viruses (HIV, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, influenza, herpes, Epstein-Barr virus, and others), causing immunodeficiency by blocking production of GcMAF -preventing the immune system from doing its job.
GcMAF is a naturally occurring process in the human body that starts off as a 'Gc protein'. The Gc protein in an healthy human body creates GcMAF to help protect the human immune system.
Dr. Bradstreet and Dr. Gonzalez proved unequivocably that Nagalase is being introduced into the body at vaccination.... and this Gc Protein blocking happens right at the beginning of Autism in infancy, not birth. They found that a treatment product by the same name of GcMAF (Globulin Component Macrophage Activating Factor or GC-Globulin) available in Europe were reversing autism, reversing tumors, shrinking tumors, curing cancers… but the FDA and pharmaceutical companies in the US had fought to make it illegal in the US and were lobbying viciously to keep it illegal.
GcMAF
https://gcmaf.timsmithmd.com/book/book/4/
https://gcmaf.se/
https://www.betterhealthguy.com/gcmaf
https://www.faim.org/autism/gcmaf-treatment-cancer-autism-inflammation-viral-bacterial-disease.html
arthunter
08-04-2015, 09:21 PM
some news ...
Congressman Poesy Delivers Bombshell CDC Whistle Blower Evidence to U.S. House, Calls for Investigation (https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/congressman-poesy-delivers-bombshell-cdc-whistle-blower-evidence-to-us-house-calls-for-investigation)
https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/congressman-poesy-delivers-bombshell-cdc-whistle-blower-evidence-to-us-house-calls-for-investigation
and a related story ..
Doctors & Nurses: You are Now Legally Liable for Your MMR Vaccine Injections (https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/doctors-nurses-you-are-now-legally-liable-for-your-mmr-vaccine-injections)
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him".
https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/doctors-nurses-you-are-now-legally-liable-for-your-mmr-vaccine-injections
Congressman Poesy Delivers Bombshell CDC Whistle Blower Evidence to U.S. House, Calls for Investigation (https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/congressman-poesy-delivers-bombshell-cdc-whistle-blower-evidence-to-us-house-calls-for-investigation)
https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/congressman-poesy-delivers-bombshell-cdc-whistle-blower-evidence-to-us-house-calls-for-investigation
and a related story ..
Doctors & Nurses: You are Now Legally Liable for Your MMR Vaccine Injections (https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/doctors-nurses-you-are-now-legally-liable-for-your-mmr-vaccine-injections)
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him".
https://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/doctors-nurses-you-are-now-legally-liable-for-your-mmr-vaccine-injections
Shandi
08-05-2015, 07:49 AM
Whoa!!! A reminder that when a group of people, (more than one) are involved in a cover up of major proportions, there will be danger of "leakage" at some future time, as conscience digs it's way among the heart of the gray matter. Thank you for being a "truth warrior"!
some news ...
some news ...
arthunter
08-05-2015, 09:14 AM
Thank God for our whistle-blowers ... we need them more then ever .... the willful abuse of power by those who should know better has resulted in pain and deaths around the world ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc
Whoa!!! ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc
Whoa!!! ...
steph
09-06-2015, 07:55 AM
Those following this topic may be interested:
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2015-09-06_15-15-02.png
Anti-vaccination in Americahttps://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/anti-vaccination-america
(https://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/anti-vaccination-america)
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/waccobb/keep90days/2015-09-06_15-15-02.png
Anti-vaccination in Americahttps://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/anti-vaccination-america
(https://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/anti-vaccination-america)
creekfeet
09-19-2015, 10:50 AM
This-here took me a few questions and clicks to find, so I'm sharing it here. There's a petition, to put a referendum on the ballot regarding mandatory vaccines. and this link lists place in Sonoma County where we can sign that petition.
https://sb277referendum.com/business_category/sonoma/
https://sb277referendum.com/business_category/sonoma/
katelands
09-19-2015, 11:22 AM
I have petitions and will be taking signatures until the 24th, when they're due. These are the final days and we need all the signatures we can get so please PM me and I'll meet you in town if you'd like to sign!
Jude Iam
09-19-2015, 11:59 AM
yikes - are there enough signatures to qualify for the ballot?
...i haven't seen the petitions at the Farmers Markets, whole foods, community markets, grange, events, etc.
this must succeed for our inviolable physical rights!
jude
I have petitions and will be taking signatures until the 24th, when they're due. These are the final days and we need all the signatures we can get so please PM me and I'll meet you in town if you'd like to sign!
...i haven't seen the petitions at the Farmers Markets, whole foods, community markets, grange, events, etc.
this must succeed for our inviolable physical rights!
jude
I have petitions and will be taking signatures until the 24th, when they're due. These are the final days and we need all the signatures we can get so please PM me and I'll meet you in town if you'd like to sign!
katelands
09-19-2015, 12:40 PM
They have approximately 300,000 signatures in hand but will need to push hard to ensure victory. They've been pretty active at the farmer's markets and events, at Oliver's and other stores... I heard Whole Foods gave collectors a hard time (not sure which location though). Please sign if you haven't, and get everyone you know to sign! Again, I have petitions. Much more info on the SB277 Referendum Sonoma County Facebook page.
katelands
09-21-2015, 06:39 AM
Thursday is the last day to sign the SB277 referendum petition. Karma Clothing in Sebastopol has petitions. Soulshine chiropractic in Santa Rosa has petitions as well. Please please sign this petition!!
arthunter
10-02-2015, 01:03 AM
the latest, and it's not good ....
https://www.naturalnews.com/051364_SB277_Referendum_forced_vaccination_petition_signatures.html
https://www.naturalnews.com/051364_SB277_Referendum_forced_vaccination_petition_signatures.html
Shandi
10-02-2015, 07:23 AM
The reality we face is that greed and power will find a way to plow us under. The doctors who've been murdered show that nothing is beneath this destructive force. Sadness on top of sadness....:tear:
arthunter
10-02-2015, 05:10 PM
I know ... see my last link in the Conspiracy Theory thread (https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?114305-CONSPIRACY-THEORY-CONSPIRACY-video!&p=195836#post195836) ... I'm hoping that it's true ....
The reality we face is that greed and power will find a way to plow us under. The doctors who've been murdered show that nothing is beneath this destructive force. Sadness on top of sadness....:tear:
The reality we face is that greed and power will find a way to plow us under. The doctors who've been murdered show that nothing is beneath this destructive force. Sadness on top of sadness....:tear:
gypsey
10-02-2015, 05:14 PM
Shandi, can you share with us what doctors have been murdered in order to pass the mandatory vaccine bill?
Thanks...
The reality we face is that greed and power will find a way to plow us under. The doctors who've been murdered show that nothing is beneath this destructive force. Sadness on top of sadness....:tear:
Thanks...
The reality we face is that greed and power will find a way to plow us under. The doctors who've been murdered show that nothing is beneath this destructive force. Sadness on top of sadness....:tear: