and a personal putdown could also be a challenge to step up your game. i read podfish as a caring intelligent freethinker with a love for science and rational discussion, with a humorous twist. just because i'm disappointed with his contributions to this thread... so what. thats my stuff. my greatest hope is to learn. i'm not on wacco to change anyone's mind but my own. i want to understand others point of view. why would podfish hew to the vaccine fascist ideology when challenged on his repetitive points? maybe because of his stuff?: (
If anyone wants to avoid personal put downs, join the Red Pill Roundtable.
arthunter
04-16-2015, 12:18 AM
Parents threaten to pull kids out of school if vaccine bill passes ...
the senate education committee tabled the bill for a week yesterday, the guess is that there were not enough votes to pass. pan got a lot of questions he didn't have answers for. testimony from parents of vaccine injured children took the majority of time. senators were impressed by the grassroots turnout, tone and knowledge and are getting a lot of feedback. the recommendation now is to email or text, as their call intake is overwhelmed.
things i have learned from this thread and other sources has shifted my trust of vaccines as a health strategy. i now regret some of the choices i have made to vaccinate and will be more careful in the future.
Parents threaten to pull kids out of school if vaccine bill passes ...
This is from JAMA: 'These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD"
Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism
Importance Despite research showing no link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism spectrum disorders (ASD), beliefs that the vaccine causes autism persist, leading to lower vaccination levels. Parents who already have a child with ASD may be especially wary of vaccinations.
Objective To report ASD occurrence by MMR vaccine status in a large sample of US children who have older siblings with and without ASD.
Design, Setting, and Participants A retrospective cohort study using an administrative claims database associated with a large commercial health plan. Participants included children continuously enrolled in the health plan from birth to at least 5 years of age during 2001-2012 who also had an older sibling continuously enrolled for at least 6 months between 1997 and 2012.
Exposures MMR vaccine receipt (0, 1, 2 doses) between birth and 5 years of age.
Main Outcomes and Measures ASD status defined as 2 claims with a diagnosis code in any position for autistic disorder or other specified pervasive developmental disorder (PDD) including Asperger syndrome, or unspecified PDD (International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, Clinical Modification 299.0x, 299.8x, 299.9x).
Results Of 95 727 children with older siblings, 994 (1.04%) were diagnosed with ASD and 1929 (2.01%) had an older sibling with ASD. Of those with older siblings with ASD, 134 (6.9%) had ASD, vs 860 (0.9%) children with unaffected siblings (P < .001). MMR vaccination rates (≥1 dose) were 84% (n = 78 564) at age 2 years and 92% (n = 86 063) at age 5 years for children with unaffected older siblings, vs 73% (n = 1409) at age 2 years and 86% (n = 1660) at age 5 years for children with affected siblings. MMR vaccine receipt was not associated with an increased risk of ASD at any age. For children with older siblings with ASD, at age 2, the adjusted relative risk (RR) of ASD for 1 dose of MMR vaccine vs no vaccine was 0.76 (95% CI, 0.49-1.18; P = .22), and at age 5, the RR of ASD for 2 doses compared with no vaccine was 0.56 (95% CI, 0.31-1.01; P = .052). For children whose older siblings did not have ASD, at age 2, the adjusted RR of ASD for 1 dose was 0.91 (95% CI, 0.67-1.20; P = .50) and at age 5, the RR of ASD for 2 doses was 1.12 (95% CI, 0.78-1.59; P = .55).
Conclusions and Relevance In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.
kpage9
04-22-2015, 09:07 PM
yeah well you know those ama shills...probably getting rich off the vaccines.
This is from JAMA: 'These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD"....
CSummer
04-23-2015, 01:58 AM
How do Californians feel about SB277? - watch this YouTube video (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=SjZPoPaOk0s) of a legislative hearing.
Synopsis: the ratio of those opposed to those in favor was about 10:1.
Shandi
04-23-2015, 08:19 AM
I'm opposed to this attack on our rights to determine what gets put in our bodies, and our children's. I looked at a few comments from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZPoPaOk0s). What's really true? I read that there haven't been any deaths from measles in 10 years, yet one comment indicates "145 700 measles deaths globally in 2013". I don't have the reference where I read that there had been no deaths in 10 years. Can anyone contribute to the evidence on either side? Where does the truth "lie"? :hmmm:
How do Californians feel about SB277? - watch this YouTube video (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=SjZPoPaOk0s) of a legislative hearing....
Shandi
04-23-2015, 07:58 PM
Even though the majority of people were opposed, it got passed anyway. Business as usual, it doesn't really matter what we want or don't want. Thinking that we really have a choice seems like a fantasy that gives us false hope. We are living in the age of the "Rise of the Political Machines" that will grind us into dust. If people don't believe it, maybe they're better off.
podfish
04-23-2015, 09:36 PM
Even though the majority of people were opposed,....I'm not convinced by the idea that "the majority of the people (are) opposed". Politicians often are playing to the crowd, and although I'll give them some credit, I kinda doubt on this one most are voting their conscience and damn the consequences. I bet most are reading the public and think they're expected to vote this in. The presence of a passionate opposition isn't at all a sign of where the majority stands; a lot of times the passionate crowd kind of alienates the general public.
On this issue, I really don't care much either way so maybe that taints my impression - but I get the feeling that the general public sees anti-vax as a crusade of the entitled, fighting against a first-world problem. Even the media's favorite truth-to-power boy, JStewart, painted the vaccine avoidance crusade as something planned in a Marin hot tub.
rossmen
04-23-2015, 09:49 PM
no deaths in the us. over 100 cases this year (disneyland), 600+ last year (amish). the 145k estimate derives from the 20 mill case estimate worldwide. in the undeveloped poor areas where measles is still endemic its a lesser danger to the young and cases and deaths are rarely documented.
I'm opposed to this attack on our rights to determine what gets put in our bodies, and our children's. I looked at a few comments from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZPoPaOk0s). What's really true? I read that there haven't been any deaths from measles in 10 years, yet one comment indicates "145 700 measles deaths globally in 2013". I don't have the reference where I read that there had been no deaths in 10 years. Can anyone contribute to the evidence on either side? Where does the truth "lie"? :hmmm:
rossmen
04-23-2015, 10:10 PM
the interesting part of this study is in the discussion section when they asked the question why does the mmr vaccine seem to have a protective effect against autism? this is even more true in the raw data before they tweaked it (using racial and economic stats), to get the rr closer to 1. the speculation is that parents of children who show developmental delays might be more reluctant to vaccinate. more study needed.
there are many of these studies using existing data claiming no correlation between mmr and the health effects wakefield brought up. perhaps the correlation is there, just covered up by parental wisdom.
This is from JAMA: 'These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD"
Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism
(https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2275444)...
rossmen
04-23-2015, 10:18 PM
the bill still has a long way to go, judiciary committee next week (where it is expected to pass >:( two reasons to hope for continued choice; similar bills have recently died in other states, and there is passionate and growing opposition, which counts a lot!
Even though the majority of people were opposed, it got passed anyway. Business as usual, it doesn't really matter what we want or don't want. Thinking that we really have a choice seems like a fantasy that gives us false hope. We are living in the age of the "Rise of the Political Machines" that will grind us into dust. If people don't believe it, maybe they're better off.
I donated to another documentary called, "One More Girl" about a team who went across country to interview and show the devastating effects of gardasil has on pre-pubescent and teens. It's so heartbreaking to see these once active and bright kids suffering from these vaccine injuries...or dead. Another Nazi Merck production. 'One More Girl' has a FB page that is very informative too.
I came across this by accident, and wanted to add it to the gathering evidence opposing mandatory vaccines.
This is a video made in Denmark, showing the devastating effects on these young women who agreed to share:
I've been extensively studying vaccines for the last 20 years, and YES the freedom to choose whether these substances will be injected into your developing child's body is absolutely worth fighting for. If you can understand the damage that vaccines can potentially have to a young child's brain and body, you would say YES it's worth fighting for.
Our children are the future - we need our children to be healthy with strong, clear minds. 54% of American children have at least one chronic disease. Vaccines are not the only factor, it's also toxic chemicals and processed food, but vaccines cause the greatest damage to immunity and young, developing brains.
The parents who have exempted their children from vaccines are educated parents who have spent an enormous amount of time pouring over vaccine studies, vaccine manufacturer product inserts, and reams of information to make an informed choice. Parents who have already lost a child to vaccines - yes, children do die from vaccines - will have to have their other children vaccinated if this bill goes through. Children who have already had a bad reaction to vaccines will have to be vaccinated again. I can't imagine a mother having to go through that again.
The vaccine industry has paid sponsors to push this bill no matter what. And they have no liability for injuries - they have been given complete immunity from liability. We all pay for vaccine injuries, emotionally and financially. There's a huge amount of ignorance among legislators regarding vaccine injuries, how disease is transmitted and how disease is prevented. And these are the people who believe they are entitled to make healthcare decisions for our children.
I guess i see it this way. Yes there are freedoms, and freedom is certainly worth protecting. But just because we are free to do something--because we have the legal right--doesn't mean we SHOULD do it--that's reserved, in my mind, for what's morally right. so--because we CAN refuse vaccination, because it is one of a gazillion rights we actually do have--is that a freedom worth fighting for? i mean: there are freedoms and there are freedoms, no?...
HolisticKids
05-08-2015, 04:15 PM
passing this on:
CALIFORNIANS: Call your state senator NOW! SB277 bypassing Appropriations (!) and moving straight to floor vote next Thursday!
This is the latest update we have received from those working at the Capitol. Unbelievable, as though this bill will have NO fiscal impact to the state of CA!!!
Please call your senator NOW, before 5:00 today, and tell them you want them to OPPOSE SB277...and go public with their opposition, too!
gaiasophia
05-10-2015, 01:05 PM
Thanks for the info! I intend to pass it along, so could you please let us know where you got the statistic that 54% of our kids have a chronic disease--I'd like to know, and know that others I speak to would question that also.
BTW, my kids are grown now, but I made the informed choice to not have them vaccinated. When whooping cough went around, all the vaccinated got it much worse than my kids--2 acupuncture treatments worked wonders, and there were no needles used during the gentle non-traumatic acupuncture treatments.
...
Our children are the future - we need our children to be healthy with strong, clear minds. 54% of American children have at least one chronic disease. ...
HolisticKids
05-11-2015, 11:16 AM
Thanks for your story about your kids and whooping cough. In emailing/talking to probably thousands of parents over the past 20 years who don't vaccinate, it's clear to me that unvaccinated kids are far healthier than vaccinated. My daughter was exposed to whooping cough from a vaccinated kid when she was 14 months old and never got the disease. In fact at age 20 she's never had any of the diseases that people are vaccinated for. Not even a flu - ever. And yet, she's considered a "risk" to others.
Regarding the sad stat of 54% of kids with chronic disease - it was a study published in Academic Pediatrics in 2011
Thanks for the info! I intend to pass it along, so could you please let us know where you got the statistic that 54% of our kids have a chronic disease--I'd like to know, and know that others I speak to would question that also. ...
arthunter
05-13-2015, 10:44 PM
I just came across this and thought that it was relevant ...
Sad day for California's children - SB277 has passed.
sharingwisdom
05-14-2015, 11:06 PM
Yes, very sad day!...and because these legislators won't stop here. It's onto the daycare owners, then the teachers, then the rest of us. Let the pro vax and the legislators get in line first for their shots...perhaps 48 like these little ones will be forced to have... with GMO's, Aluminum, Hg, squalene included free...and then they shed their microbes from the contamination... and the Vaccine corporations get off free from all the vax injuries.
The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.
- Dr. Joseph Mengele, Aushowitz experimenter of children
Sad day for California's children - SB277 has passed.
Alex
05-14-2015, 11:18 PM
Sad day for California's children - SB277 has passed.
"In order to pay for vaccine injuries and deaths, a surtax will be levied on these mandated vaccines. A portion of the money parents spend on each vaccine will go into the Federal Congressional fund to compensate them if their child is hurt or killed by the shot."
SB277 passed the senate and moves to the assembly. Not one mainstream newspaper or TV news said a word about it today. Passing will make CA one of only 3 states banning the religious exemption and one of 32 banning the personal belief exemption. It's really odd to me that organic, progressive California is joining forefront of a facist, Orwellian nightmare, and willing to show this much unAmerican disdain for the Bill of Rights.
But more than anything it makes me very sick to my heart for the kids of parents who will comply while refusing to look at the ramifications of the lack of standard industry testing being required of any vaccine. The only real immunity being gotten here is the immunity from accountability given to the pharma-mega-corporations despite their very dark history of lies, collusion and profiteering.
1. VACCINE MEGA-CORPORATIONS HAVE NO MANDATE or LIABILITY FOR VACCINE SAFETY - what is totally weird and unusual in the long established world of medication testing is that no usual standard testing protocol for long term effects is required for only this medication before public release.
The grave issue being whitewashed is that the longterm effects are totally unknown for the various combinations of 25+ poisonous ingredients individually let alone together... plus when combined with the foreign / laboratory designed live viruses as the vaccine centerpiece called #2's - not the 'wild' natural/original #1's they're supposedly designed against... plus when unnaturally forced into the bloodstreams of babies, toddlers, kids, adults in a way that would never be encountered in normal life. These corporations are still exempt from having to provide safety assurances despite massive numbers of damages that have already been proven and paid in U.S. Vaccine Court not very far into the usually mandated long-term effect test 'time'.
2. VACCINE MEGA-CORPORATIONS HAVE NO FINANCIAL LIABILITY FOR VACCINE DAMAGE from these inadequately tested concoctions of known poisons, foreign genetic material, plus laboratory designed unnatural live viruses. The Federally sponsored Vaccine Court (that your taxes pay for) that requires undeniable 100% proof... is apparently now up to $3.5 billion in vaccine damages they are unable to deny or refute in just the US. Millions of kids worldwide have had their health severely impacted or ruined.
But I predict this Orwellian new law going to force a huge backlash and a possibly very, very bright side. A huge homeschooling network will now emerge as parents who have taken the time to educate themselves will realize they have no choice but to organize - fast.
I was shocked at how draggy, unmotivating, and lowest common denominator level of an education my son received at Oak Grove-Willowside-El Molino compared to the relentlessly challenging achievement atmosphere of my own schooling (similar to my son's pre-school years in Montessori). A new wave of well homeschooled kids could be free of overburdened and/or lazy tenured teachers, a dumbed down low-standard curriculum, overcrowded classrooms, ignored bullying and no personal attention, possibly setting a new standard of schooling over time when it becomes clear which kids are better educated, challenged and healthier.
Bottom line - vaxxers say the anti-vax kids are going to be more vulnerable and sick and a big threat and danger to their immunized kids.... and the anti-vaxxers say their kids are going to have healthier natural immune systems, won't be permanently implanted with poisons or nano-tagged for life, and now possibly way better educated.
Both can't be right, so one side is going to be very, very regretful... way after the damage is done.
Time will tell... while the Vaccine Court will continue to be very busy losing cases and awarding that surtax money.
intheflow88
05-15-2015, 12:43 AM
Now onto the Assembly, where we need to hit them hard and get them the
real facts to wash away Pan’s lies. CALL YOUR ASSEMBLY MEMBER NOW.
https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/
Shandi
05-15-2015, 08:48 AM
I wonder how the wealthy anti-vax parents will respond to this. If I was in that category, I'd probably find a doctor that I could pay off to forge vaccine documents. After all, isn't part of the privilege of wealth being able to get around the law with pay offs? This would be one situation where I'd support that kind of action.
Those without that privilege, or without the mindset to rebel against the system, may do other things like pull their kids out of school to home school them, but not everyone against this mandate would be capable of that. I do hope that parents join support groups to help them get creative around this serious issue.
What would you do? Surrender to the mandate? Believe you have no choice? Find a way around it?
Feel hopeless against the system?
Yes, very sad day!...and because these legislators won't stop here. It's onto the daycare owners, then the teachers, then the rest of us. Let the pro vax and the legislators get in line first for their shots...perhaps 48 like these little ones will be forced to have... with GMO's, Aluminum, Hg, squalene included free...and then they shed their microbes from the contamination... and the Vaccine corporations get off free from all the vax injuries.
The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.
- Dr. Joseph Mengele, Aushowitz experimenter of children
HolisticKids
05-15-2015, 09:02 AM
I would never comply with this mandate. Seriously - I would not sacrifice my child to this travesty. Not that I have to, since my daughter is 20 and won't be affected by it. But that's what's so crazy about this bill. This mandate will do nothing to get more parents to vaccinate. Maybe a few will do it, but most will not, under any circumstance. Most who have exemptions have already watched their child regress into autism directly after a vaccine or go into a cascade of other chronic health issues. Or worse, a child has died from a vaccine, and now they are told they have to vaccinate their other kids?? Mothers who have seen this and have been dealing with it every day will do everything possible to protect their children. This is mother bear energy and this energy protects their "cubs" at all costs.
Jane
I wonder how the wealthy anti-vax parents will respond to this...
HolisticKids
05-15-2015, 09:07 AM
Alex,
I completely agree with everything you said here. And I, too, have been looking at the bright side. We are free to create the society and the lives we want. I can envision a whole new way of education that honors creative minds and spirits and doesn't involve the government at all. Perhaps fighting for "freedom" for children to participate in the antiquated, government-run school system is a backwards move. The options are endless when we find our true freedom within and create from our hearts.
Jane
"In order to pay for vaccine injuries and deaths, a surtax will be levied on these mandated vaccines. A portion of the money parents spend on each vaccine will go into the Federal Congressional fund to compensate them if their child is hurt or killed by the shot."
SB277 passed the senate and moves to the assembly...
HolisticKids
05-15-2015, 09:16 AM
from my friend and colleague, Dr. Neustaedter:
Forwarded: Even if this legislation passes we still have the power of mass resistance. The state is not going to send troops into Marin county schools to vaccinate children. This legislation has the potential to empty schools in counties with high immunization exemption rates. Children can be turned away from school, but getting injunctions against parents and thousands of CPS cases started is a bureaucratic nightmare and California does not have the money to do this. As long as we stand up to tyranny we cannot be forced to comply. We have a powerful voice through our actions. Don't be intimidated. And don't allow drug companies to force you to do anything. Bullying is not going to succeed. This country was founded on personal freedoms, and corporations cannot destroy the power of the people. Please spread this message. --
Dr. Randall Neustaedter OMD
Holistic Health Care for Children and Adults
1779 Woodside Rd, Suite 201C
Redwood City, CA 94061
650 299-9170 (tel:650%20299-9170)
Alex
05-15-2015, 10:42 AM
....Perhaps fighting for "freedom" for children to participate in the antiquated, government-run school system is a backwards move.....Jane
Brilliant insight, I didn't even think of this angle. It IS stupid to fight for the right to go to these underfunded, dumbed down, standardized brainwashing institutions with dwindling diversity like the past, especially arts and critical thinking.
HolisticKids
05-15-2015, 12:34 PM
Yes, these dumbed down brainwashing institutions are creating masses of people who can't think for themselves and mindlessly continue to spew out the tired pharma marketing message: "Vaccines are safe and effective" and "Vaccines don't cause autism; that's been debunked." What we need is education that teaches critical thinking skills and discernment and how to tap into creative power. Only then will we be able to solve some of these big huge problems the world is facing.
Jane
Brilliant insight, I didn't even think of this angle. It IS stupid to fight for the right to go to these underfunded, dumbed down, standardized brainwashing institutions with dwindling diversity like the past, especially arts and critical thinking.
sharingwisdom
05-15-2015, 09:07 PM
I'd probably do the same as you suggested, Shandi...get a dr. to fake it or move to another state. I just feel that all this is happening at a deeper, subconscious planetary group level to move people out of the old paradigm mindsets, the complacency of being caught up in lack of critical thinking skills, lack of connecting the dots/patterns, and to shift the status quo consciousness of not questioning 'authorities'...to learn to be our own power and stop allowing others from dictating what is true for us and our freedoms.
I wonder how the wealthy anti-vax parents will respond to this. If I was in that category, I'd probably find a doctor that I could pay off to forge vaccine documents. After all, isn't part of the privilege of wealth being able to get around the law with pay offs? This would be one situation where I'd support that kind of action.
...
What would you do? Surrender to the mandate? Believe you have no choice? Find a way around it?
Feel hopeless against the system?
arthunter
05-15-2015, 10:21 PM
If I had a child in school I would be devastated by this ruling ... I love how many of you are realizing the power that you DO have in this situation ... the recognition of that power is vitally important right now ...
Alex
05-15-2015, 10:44 PM
I'd probably do the same as you suggested, Shandi...get a dr. to fake it or move to another state.....
I strongly suspect getting a faked way out has been anticipated and pre-thwarted. Don't forget, the point of Obamacare is control not health, and the lifelong tracking database... coordinated to school records... and I'm willing to bet Dr's will be under great threat for entering into this national database that a vaccine was given when it wasn't, and informed of the testable markers in the vaccines that prove whether someone got it or not.
I just feel that all this is happening at a deeper, subconscious planetary group level to move people out of the old paradigm mindsets, the complacency of being caught up in lack of critical thinking skills, lack of connecting the dots/patterns, and to shift the status quo consciousness of not questioning 'authorities'...to learn to be our own power and stop allowing others from dictating what is true for us and our freedoms.
I sure hope so. This particular act of the government putting people in the position of being forced to endanger and possibly severely hurt their kids could really be the tipping point of getting people to take a stand and maybe finally get the light to go on to wonder what the hell else this outrageous bullying is an indication of.
intheflow88
05-15-2015, 11:34 PM
I strongly suspect getting a faked way out has been anticipated and pre-thwarted. Don't forget, the point of Obamacare is control not health, and the lifelong tracking database... coordinated to school records... and I'm willing to bet Dr's will be under great threat for entering into this national database that a vaccine was given when it wasn't, and informed of the testable markers in the vaccines that prove whether someone got it or not.
In every revolution in the past there were people willing to risk their careers and lives to stand up for what they believed is right. Now we will have rebels in white coats. But the technology will make it interesting for sure.
Shandi
05-16-2015, 09:45 AM
You make a good point about moving people out of old paradigm mindsets, since we can afford to be complacent and not use critical thinking when we're not directly affected. Once we are personally affected, we have the urge (and opportunity) to shift our perceptions, and question what's being asked (or demanded or "mandated") that may have a detrimental result for us or our loved ones.
Many people don't realize their own power, since they've been taught "not to question", and sadly, follow that pattern their entire lives, and pass it on. Now, children also have the opportunity to see that authority doesn't always know what's best, and which includes the authority of parents. Those who learn to think for themselves at an early age have a definite advantage, even if it means rejecting parental patterns.
I'd probably do the same as you suggested, Shandi...get a dr. to fake it or move to another state...
Shandi
05-16-2015, 09:54 AM
It continues to be true that people risk their careers and lives to stand up for their beliefs. I like the phrase "Rebels in white coats". Look at the doctors who've performed abortions in spite of threats on their lives, and some who have lost their lives because of it. Throughout history, people have risked all that they treasure, to fight for freedom. This issue won't stop that. People will find a way.
In every revolution in the past there were people willing to risk their careers and lives to stand up for what they believed is right. Now we will have rebels in white coats. But the technology will make it interesting for sure.
Shandi
05-16-2015, 10:02 AM
Do you think that children will be subjected to "testable markers" to find out for sure if they've been vaccinated? Doctors probably won't be giving the shots themselves, but could be influenced with financial rewards, as they are with drug companies, at present. I guess one way to insure that kids get vaccinated is to do it at school. I seem to recall that happening when I was a child, even though my dad protested it. If it's mandated, then permission may not be needed? Just notification?
I strongly suspect getting a faked way out has been anticipated and pre-thwarted. Don't forget, the point of Obamacare is control not health, and the lifelong tracking database... coordinated to school records... and I'm willing to bet Dr's will be under great threat for entering into this national database that a vaccine was given when it wasn't, and informed of the testable markers in the vaccines that prove whether someone got it or not.
I sure hope so. This particular act of the government putting people in the position of being forced to endanger and possibly severely hurt their kids could really be the tipping point of getting people to take a stand and maybe finally get the light to go on to wonder what the hell else this outrageous bullying is an indication of.
Shandi
05-16-2015, 10:18 AM
In a disturbing 25-10 vote, California State Senators proved themselves traitors to Californians by passing SB 277 to eliminate personal belief exemptions for vaccines. These Senators gave a yes vote to eliminating medical freedom in California: Allen, Beall, Block, Cannella, De Leon, Galgiani, Hall, Hancock, Hernandez, Hertzberg, Hill, Jackson, Lara, Leno, Liu, McGuire, Mendoza, Mitchell, Monning, Pan, Pavley, Stone, Vidak, Wieckowski and Wolk: https://bit.ly/1JnVylU
(https://www.naturalnews.com/049728_mandatory_vaccination_SB_277_California_Senate.html)
California Senate passes mandatory vaccination law; tyrants move full-steam ahead to allow only neurotoxin-contaminated children in school (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.naturalnews.com%2F049728_mandatory_vaccination_SB_277_California_Senate.html&h=qAQFuB6gF&s=1)
www.naturalnews.com
HolisticKids
05-16-2015, 02:06 PM
I live in Forestville and the senator who is supposed to represent us, Mike McGuire, not only voted for this bill, he co-authored it. Same for Assembly member Jim Wood. He is also a co-author of this, so we already know how he is going to vote.
Please let them know how you feel.
Jane
arthunter
05-16-2015, 06:05 PM
The ACLU has gone on record, calling this bill unconstitutional ... if you are affected by this bill I would contact them to discuss possible legal options ...
Yes, these dumbed down brainwashing institutions are creating masses of people who can't think for themselves and mindlessly continue ...I guess, considering the way anti-vaxxers are portrayed, this is turnabout as fair play. Also, the pot calling the kettle black.
Glia
05-17-2015, 06:50 PM
Persons having an opinion on the vaccination issue in general and/or this bill in particular should watch/listen to an interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, episode #351.
The interview starts at 0:07:40 and goes to 0:18:00. The audio of this episode is available on Stitcher.com:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/real-time-with-bill-maher-49758/e/episode-351-originally-aired-42415-37774263
RFK Jr.'s focus is the mercury in vaccines. However, he brings up several pertinent observations about the lucrative business of vaccines, the conflicts of interest with doctors/scientists, corruption of the CDC, lack of a credible regulatory process, etc.
If I may add my personal experience-based opinion of the CDC: anyone who thinks the CDC has the best interest of the American public at heart and operates in an ethical, above-board fashion is a naive fool. As RFK Jr. points out, it is a "cesspool of corruption."
I live in Forestville and the senator who is supposed to represent us, Mike McGuire, not only voted for this bill, he co-authored it. Same for Assembly member Jim Wood. He is also a co-author of this, so we already know how he is going to vote. ...
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05-18-2015, 04:16 AM
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This is a complex issue and a lot of research is required to decide about vaccine safety ... but the real issue of this thread is whether or not vaccines should be mandatory ... do we allow our government to dictate what risks we should take? ... shouldn't that be up to each and every citizen? .... as long as there are records which verify health damage from vaccines, and there are plenty, how can they be mandated?
There's been a lot of reporting from the international community about the serious consequences of Bill Gates' vaccine program ... this is hard to verify because it's only being reported by international press ... the American press won't touch it ...
Judges demand answers after children die in controversial cancer vaccine trial in India (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2908963/Judges-demand-answers-children-die-controversial-cancer-vaccine-trial-India.html)
HolisticKids
05-18-2015, 07:53 AM
Now the feds are trying to legislate medical tyranny with the "Vaccinate all Children Act of 2015".
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Keenan Austin, a former salesperson for vaccine and drug giant GlaxoSmithKline (Glaxo), is the senior health policy aide for Florida Congresswoman Frederica Wilson (D-Fl-24), the sponsor of House Resolution H. R. 2232, the "Vaccinate all Children Act of 2015," which, if passed, would for the first time create a federal law forcing all children in the United States to get all the vaccines promoted by the CDC with no exemptions for religious or secular reasons.
Please click on the Take Action link to send a message to your member of the US House of Representative expressing your opposition to H. R. 2232, the "Vaccinate all Children Act of 2015."
And please call Rep. Wilson's office and politely ask if Keenan Austin's connections to Glaxo is related to the appearance of H.R. 2232, the Vaccinate All Children Act of 2015, and let them know that you want to make your children's healthcare decisions not them. Rep. Frederica Wilson, 202-225-4506 (tel:202-225-4506).
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Alex
05-18-2015, 12:49 PM
Do you think that children will be subjected to "testable markers" to find out for sure if they've been vaccinated? Doctors probably won't be giving the shots themselves, but could be influenced with financial rewards, as they are with drug companies, at present. I guess one way to insure that kids get vaccinated is to do it at school. I seem to recall that happening when I was a child, even though my dad protested it. If it's mandated, then permission may not be needed? Just notification?
Everything you formerly experienced about vaccine procedure is outdated, and everything you were told in childhood about vaccine content and purpose was either a lie or not the whole truth. Even the implanting of this 'testable marker' is just the tip of the agenda.
Anyone whose sum-total understanding of how vaccines actually biologically work that stops at "oh, they provide disease immunity" would be shocked at the surreal level of nano-technology now intertwined. Birthed in the biological warfare industry, nano-materials and nano-microchips 100,000 times smaller than the width of a human hair are not only now essential vaccine components, but are already in 1000's of commercial optical, electronic and biological products.
Even as far back as the Vietnam War soldiers were injected with the 'Rambo Chip' designed to increase adrenaline flow into the bloodstream while the 20-billion-bit/second supercomputers at the U.S. National Security Agency could "see and hear" what the soldiers were experiencing in the battlefield with RMS, their remote monitoring system. U.S. astronauts were implanted before they were sent into space so their thoughts could be followed and all their emotions could be registered 24 hours a day.
"...Every thought, reaction, hearing, and visual observation causes a certain neurological potential, spikes, and patterns in the brain and its electromagnetic fields, which can now be decoded into thoughts, pictures, and voices. A nano-microchip can draw these neuroimpulses from the brain and transfer them into a computer. Then a land-based computer operator can send electromagnetic messages (encoded as signals) back to the nervous system thru the nano-microchip...."
"...In December 2000, Former Chief Medical Officer of Finland, Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, MD stated that it was now technically possible for every newborn to be injected with a microchip, which could then function to identify the person for the rest of his or her life and that such plans 'are secretly being discussed in the U.S. without any public airing of the privacy issues involved.'..."
Each of us has a unique bioelectrical resonance frequency in the brain, just as we have unique fingerprints. Not only a 'trackable tag' by which the now fully coded NSA electronic surveillance system can simultaneously follow and handle millions of people without their knowledge or consent, but modern day nano-microchips have evolved to being remotely-controllable, able to target specific body/brains cells/functions to trigger disease and/or mental and physical malfunctions, passivity or aggression, and/or insert drugs and genetic material.
Once implanted, crucial aspects of a person's privacy, control and free will has vanished for the rest of his or her life. After connecting your kid to the NSA supercomputer, it will be too late.
podfish
05-18-2015, 02:17 PM
Even as far back as the Vietnam War soldiers were injected with the 'Rambo Chip' designed to increase adrenaline flow into the bloodstream while the 20-billion-bit/second supercomputers at the U.S. National Security Agency could "see and hear" what the soldiers were experiencing in the battlefield with RMS, their remote monitoring system....... After connecting your kid to the NSA supercomputer, it will be too late.that's some interesting context. This goes a lot farther than many anti-vaxxers ever thought, I bet. When evaluating experts whose guidance you trust when judging the safety or hazards of vaccines, it's good to get a full picture.
Pretty interesting tech you're describing, Alex.
intheflow88
05-22-2015, 11:37 AM
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Feds Plan to Force Vaccines on Adults
https://www.wnd.com/2015/03/the-feds-plan-to-force-vaccines-on-adults/#y1rmBPojxP58YiAq.99 - by Lee Hieb, M.D.
Like everything else that’s truly important, it is very simple: If you Americans do not stand against this, it’s over. What liberty do you have if the federal government can force you to have a medical procedure, can force you to surrender your very body to their control? Answer: none. Because there is nothing that cannot be justified on the basis of “the good of society.” The Jewish Holocaust, the Great Leap Forward, the killing of the Kulaks, American Eugenics, Tuskegee experimentation, the cold water experiments of Birkenau, Dachau and Auschwitz, all were justified at the time by their respective leaders as for the good of society. Even doctors start believing that they can determine who should die or be sterilized for the good of the whole society. And if you as a doctor have qualms, it is much easier to just throw up your hands and say you have no choice – it’s a government mandate.
The position paper of the Department of Health and Human Services refers repeatedly to consulting the multiple “stakeholders” involved in vaccination decisions: “synergies between state, local, territorial, and tribal governments; health care providers; advocacy groups; vaccine manufacturers; academia and research organizations; payers and health plans; employers; and the general public.” They even cite the military. But, who is the real stakeholder? It is you. There is no “general public” when it comes to decisions about your personal health. No one cares more about the risks versus benefits of vaccination than you do personally. To leave it to a group, to treat you as a member of a group for medical care, is not ethical medicine. It is the stuff of jails and forced labor camps and socialist hellholes – and apparently American academia and bureaucrats. It is time to say no.
Shandi
05-24-2015, 05:30 PM
I just read this statement from a mother who lost her 6 month old child after he received 16 vaccines in one shot. He died while sleeping on her chest 6 days later. Her older child was removed from her home for 4 months pending an investigation.
There may be a correlation between SIDS and vaccine related deaths, according to the percentage of babies that have died from SIDS, following vaccines.
Although it's from a source that many people question, the article has some very believable facts.
Now the feds are trying to legislate medical tyranny with the "Vaccinate all Children Act of 2015".
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Scott McKeown
05-24-2015, 09:31 PM
Feds Plan to Force Vaccines on Adults
https://www.wnd.com/2015/03/the-feds-plan-to-force-vaccines-on-adults/#y1rmBPojxP58YiAq.99 - by Lee Hieb, M.D.
Like everything else that’s truly important, it is very simple: If you Americans do not stand against this, it’s over. What liberty do you have if the federal government can force you to have a medical procedure, can force you to surrender your very body to their control? Answer: none.
It would be very disturbing indeed if, as the article headline states, the "Feds plan to force vaccines on adults". Given how SB277 is looking like it could become law in California – requiring kids to be vaccinated before entering schools – it's not all that unreasonable to suspect something even worse for adults on a national level could be in the works. Nevertheless, the article headline is not supported by any facts in the article. It is only speculation by the author. Speculation is totally fine, but it always bothers me to see a fear-inducing headline in the form of factual statement that is not supported by any content in the article, which is why I call them out.
Here is the part of the article where the factual contention in the headline is derived:
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March 9, 2015, was the last day for public comment about a “Draft National Adult Immunization Plan” – a proposal by the orchestrators of Obamacare to forcibly vaccinate all adult Americans. It sounds very benign on the surface – they do not use the word force or coercion. They say in the prologue:
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The NAIP is a five-year national plan. As a national plan, it will require engagement from a wide range of stakeholders to achieve its full vision. The plan emphasizes collaboration and prioritization of efforts that will have the greatest impact. The NAIP also aims to leverage the unique opportunity presented by the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. The NAIP is intended to facilitate coordinated action by federal and nonfederal partners to protect public health and achieve optimal prevention of infectious diseases and their consequences through vaccination of adults.
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Even the author admits there is no language about force or coercion. Enough to be suspicious? Absolutely. But enough to state factually that the Federal Government is actually planning to force vaccinate adults? It's just not there. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, and it surely does happen in some places such as in maybe prisons, but the article headline as a statement of fact is just intellectual dishonesty. And again, it's completely reasonable to be suspicious and to speculate about potential abusive action. In contrast, SB277, at least in its current form, is, in my opinion, a real attempted overreach of coercive Government power, and doesn't require speculation.
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Much of the rest of the article is hyperbolic railing against Obamacare (along with diatribes against "socialist hellholes" and outrage about the banning of certain firearm ammunition and old-style high energy light bulbs -- the horror!). Here is her commercial pitch embedded in the article:
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In my opinion, if Obamacare turns out to be a disaster (which is not the case at the moment, but could be) it's because it did not go far enough in creating a national health care system along the lines of virtually every other advanced county in the world, where health care is less expensive and the health outcomes are better.
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Sage33
05-25-2015, 10:13 AM
When I was six years old, I had the measles. At that time there was no measles vaccine. I came down with encephalitis, inflammation of the brain. This disease is one of the complications of measles. I had convulsions and was in a coma for two weeks. Luckily, I survived. My father did not. He died from an agonizing death from encephalitis. I am very grateful for the measles vaccine. Perhaps your child will not be a victim of measles complications, but your refusal to vaccinate your child has a large effect on other children and adults.
Janet Greene
Feds Plan to Force Vaccines on Adults
https://www.wnd.com/2015/03/the-feds-plan-to-force-vaccines-on-adults/#y1rmBPojxP58YiAq.99 - by Lee Hieb, M.D.
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HolisticKids
05-25-2015, 10:40 AM
I'm sorry to hear you went through, that, Janet. Unfortunately encephalitis is also a known vaccine reaction. Brain inflammation does also happen to children who are vaccinated with MMR vaccine.
It's a common belief that refusal to vaccinate puts others at risk, however this belief needs to be examined. I have never seen any supportive research of this. And my 20 years of experience doesn't support this either. My own child never had any disease that people are vaccinated for. She has very strong natural immunity that kept her healthy and even when she was exposed to kids who had chicken pox and whooping cough (by kids who were fully vaccinated) she did not get these diseases. In no way was she ever a risk to anyone at all. In fact, the vaccinated kids would have been a risk to her if she had not had such a strong immune system.
Jane
When I was six years old, I had the measles...
HolisticKids
05-25-2015, 11:17 AM
Here's an open letter to Jerry Brown asking him to support a mother's right to choose. Her story is typical of the research time and agonizing decision process that parents go through regarding vaccine choice.
Most people who choose not to vaccinate are educated, critical thinkers, and they take the steps to keep their children healthy with strong immunity. These aren't the kids spreading diseases. Like the kids in Waldorf schools here in this county - educated, intelligent parents who take the time to provide their kids with what they need to be healthy. These are the "dangerous pockets" that we are all warned about. High numbers of children in Waldorf schools are not vaccinated. Been like this for 20 or 30 years, I imagine. Where are all the diseases and deaths in these communities? Measles? Did measles come sweeping through Sebastopol in this last "epidemic"? Are we all at risk from these healthy children?
Jane
I'm sorry to hear you went through, that, Janet...
Shandi
05-25-2015, 01:58 PM
I understand that your experience affects your perception. And this is also true of those who have dealt with serious complications and death from vaccines. For those of us who don't have direct experience to influence our judgements, we have to rely on evidence, and inner guidance.
Life has it's risks, and complications from diseases is one of them. But to insist that we all get mandatory vaccines because our refusal will have a large effect on other children and adults, isn't a convincing argument. Those who believe that vaccines will protect them, without any risks, in spite of evidence to the contrary, will choose to get "protected", and have nothing to "worry" about from the un-vaccinated. I don't live my life judging how my decisions may affect others, unless I know for sure that my decisions have a high degree of possibility to harm myself or others, like running a red light. Mandatory vaccines equals running red lights to me, which makes me vulnerable to toxins, and even more vulnerable by losing my rights to choose if I want to put those toxins in my body.
If you lost a loved one because of vaccines, I suspect you would feel differently. We are all affected by personal tragedies, and whether it's a disease, death/accidents from texting while driving, illness from contaminants in food and water, mold in our home environments, exposure to germs, drug interactions, mental illness, and this must include those who have experienced death and suffering from vaccines. The billions of dollars set aside to compensate those victims is really no consolation. It only verifies some acknowledgement and recognition of risk.
Do you also support fluoride in the water to protect children from tooth decay, and believe that voting against it, will put children at higher risk for tooth decay?
When I was six years old, I had the measles. At that time there was no measles vaccine. I came down with encephalitis, inflammation of the brain. This disease is one of the complications of measles. I had convulsions and was in a coma for two weeks. Luckily, I survived. My father did not. He died from an agonizing death from encephalitis. I am very grateful for the measles vaccine. Perhaps your child will not be a victim of measles complications, but your refusal to vaccinate your child has a large effect on other children and adults.
Janet Greene
Glia
05-25-2015, 08:29 PM
Much has changed since you had the measles at age 6. Among those changes are more effective treatments and better understanding of viruses and viral disease.
The "vaccinate for everything" POV seems to be a leftover from the last century, when it really did work miracles for some horrendous diseases, like polio, and there were no effective treatments. Perhaps it is time to change the thinking, too?
When I was six years old, I had the measles...
sharingwisdom
05-26-2015, 09:55 PM
FYI While the polio vaccine is often referred to by those who believe in vaccines as the ultimate example of a vaccine that eradicated a terrible disease, the sceince and history of this vaccine tell a vastly different story. https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-real-history-behind-the-polio-vaccine/
CDC Admits 98 million Americans Received Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Cancer
https://www.realfarmacy.com/cdc-admits-98-million-americans-received-polio-vaccine-contaminated-with-cancer-virus/
(https://www.realfarmacy.com/cdc-admits-98-million-americans-received-polio-vaccine-contaminated-with-cancer-virus/)SV 40 is not widespread within the human population almost certainly as a result of the polio vaccine.~John Martin, former FDA virologist
In the 1950’s, SV-40 was one of several dozen viruses that contaminated the original Salk and Sabin polio vaccines administered the children of the US and Europe. ~Journal of the National Cancer Institute
"In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed-virus vaccine testified that the live virus vaccine was “the principal if not the sole” cause of polio in the U.S. since 1961"Washington Post 9/ 24/76
"It is quite clear that the authorities are keeping certain information secret. They do their best to hide their contributing role concerning the production and misuse of DDT behind a polio-virus and a supposed miracle-vaccine."Gerhard Buchwald MD, citing 'Polio: An Illness caused by pesticides?' by Vlado Petek-Dimner
Dr. Sabin, Developer of polio vaccine: Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they are supposed to provide protection.
"The Salk vaccine failed completely (we'll issue a special report on that at a later date). And the Sabin vaccine was a disaster. It caused many cases of polio and showed no relationship to the disease except for an increase in polio during the early '60s, caused by the vaccine itself. And now we have the sensational findings from the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, which strongly indicate that polio did not go away at all, but now manifests itself as chronic fatigue syndrome."--William Douglas MD (https://www.whale.to/w/douglas.html)
Much has changed since you had the measles at age 6. Among those changes are more effective treatments and better understanding of viruses and viral disease.
The "vaccinate for everything" POV seems to be a leftover from the last century, when it really did work miracles for some horrendous diseases, like polio, and there were no effective treatments. Perhaps it is time to change the thinking, too?
Glia
05-26-2015, 11:27 PM
All of which underscores the notion that vaccines are by no means "safe and effective" and some sort of magic bullet. The history of the development of the polio vaccine has some horrendous incidents of healthy children being infected by the vaccination, with many being killed or left paralyzed. People being leery of vaccines and vaccination programs goes back to the first vaccine in modern history -- and with good reason.
That said, it is *rare* for an American to be paralyzed by polio in the present day, whereas in the past it was common.
FYI While the polio vaccine is often referred to by those who believe in vaccines as the ultimate example of a vaccine that eradicated a terrible disease, the sceince and history of this vaccine tell a vastly different story. ...
Shandi
05-27-2015, 07:14 AM
As usual, you share in depth information that I've never heard of before. Do we have any idea why polio is no longer manifesting in the same way, but now, as "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" rather than Cancer, since the SV 40 was a cancer causing virus? The answer may be within the sites you've listed, but I haven't checked them out yet.
As more is revealed, we are asked to accept or deny these "difficult truths".
FYI While the polio vaccine is often referred to by those who believe in vaccines as the ultimate example of a vaccine that eradicated a terrible disease, the sceince and history of this vaccine tell a vastly different story. https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/the-real-history-behind-the-polio-vaccine/ ...
arthunter
05-27-2015, 03:08 PM
would this technology fall under the category of "smart dust"? .... I'm just becoming aware of this ... I'm afraid that this is more scary science ...
How smart dust could be used to monitor human thought - Forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/07/19/how-smart-dust-could-be-used-to-monitor-human-thought/?fb_action_ids=10155639416440385&fb_action_types=og.shares
(https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/07/19/how-smart-dust-could-be-used-to-monitor-human-thought/?fb_action_ids=10155639416440385&fb_action_types=og.shares)
How Smart Dust Spys on your Brain - MIT Technology Review
You seem sure that nano-chips are already in vaccines. Can you please provide the source(s) for this? How do you know that this technology is being put into vaccines?
Thanks,
Jane
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Anyone whose sum-total understanding of how vaccines actually biologically work that stops at "oh, they provide disease immunity" would be shocked at the surreal level of nano-technology now intertwined. Birthed in the biological warfare industry, nano-materials and nano-microchips 100,000 times smaller than the width of a human hair are not only now essential vaccine components, but are already in 1000's of commercial optical, electronic and biological products.
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podfish
05-27-2015, 05:08 PM
since we're getting scared of all kinds of germy things, how 'bout this:
Researchers found that a 30,000-year-old virus trapped in permafrost was viable enough to infect amoeba (https://www.nature.com/news/giant-virus-resurrected-from-30-000-year-old-ice-1.14801). Some fear that other pathogens able to infect humans may be lurking in the bits of the world still locked by ice and frost. The worse case would be something like smallpox, for which people have no natural immunity.
It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/DailyNews/December2001/RubVaxLinkedEpBarrVirus.htm...
As usual, you share in depth information that I've never heard of before. Do we have any idea why polio is no longer manifesting in the same way, but now, as "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" rather than Cancer, since the SV 40 was a cancer causing virus? The answer may be within the sites you've listed, but I haven't checked them out yet.
As more is revealed, we are asked to accept or deny these "difficult truths".
Glia
05-27-2015, 11:03 PM
Does SV indicate a simian (ape) virus rather than a human virus (denoted by H_V, such as HIV or HSV)? If that is the case, it is difficult to believe that an ape virus is causing cancer in humans.
Not to say that it is impossible, or that simian virus cannot cause disease in humans. After all, what is now HIV apparently started out as SIV and jumped from chimpanzees to humans c. 130 years ago. What is the evidence that SV40 has become a carcinogenic virus in humans? What type of cancer does it cause?
It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/DailyNews/December2001/RubVaxLinkedEpBarrVirus.htm...
Shandi
05-28-2015, 05:42 AM
I took a look at the website: https://www.vaccinationnews.org (https://www.vaccinationnews.org), and was inspired to post their mission statement here, because it represents the kind of wisdom I respect and appreciate. I thought it might be helpful for other readers to know:
“Vaccination News, A Non-Profit Corporation, is published in order to provide a wide range of news and views on vaccinations and vaccination policy. By providing all sides of the vaccination controversy, it is believed the public/consumer will be best equipped to make reasoned decisions regarding vaccination use, decisions which will have profound implications for them and their family’s health. By providing all sides of the vaccination controversy, it is also believed that readers will recognize both the complexity of the controversy and the dearth of good information available to them.
Among the views provided will be those of the publisher and Editor Sandy Gottstein (aka Mintz) on a variety of vaccination related issues and news, including commentary on breaking news items. Her long-running column can be found HERE
(https://vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm)
Mission Statement
Vaccination News is not against an informed parent choosing to vaccinate his or her child. Vaccination News is against bad science being used to justify forcing parents to vaccinate. It is against bad science being used to convince a parent to vaccinate. And it is against a parent, any parent, being forced to do something that has even a remote chance of harming their child.
What all parents deserve is good information, untainted by conflict of interest, on the safety of vaccines. They deserve the right to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children. And those that choose to vaccinate, after weighing the known benefits and risks, deserve safer vaccines.
It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/DailyNews/December2001/RubVaxLinkedEpBarrVirus.htm...
podfish
05-28-2015, 08:41 AM
I took a look at the website: https://www.vaccinationnews.org (https://www.vaccinationnews.org), and was inspired to post their mission statement here, because it represents the kind of wisdom I respect and appreciate. I thought it might be helpful for other readers to know:
“Vaccination News, A Non-Profit Corporation, is published in order to provide a wide range of news and views on vaccinations and vaccination policy. By providing all sides of the vaccination controversy, it is believed the public/consumer will be best equipped to make reasoned decisions regarding vaccination usethat would be nice if true. This is an advocacy site, pure and simple, cloaking themselves in a veneer of broadmindedness. They imply that they're more comprehensive and honest than conventional news outlets which they see as being captured by the powers that be.
Is there any single article there that gives any support to the idea that vaccines can be helpful?? I didn't see one.
There's plenty of self-criticism involved in a scientific process. It's there if you look for it, though for a variety of reasons, good or bad, it's not always pushed to the forefront. But you do not find blind, unquestioned assumption that vaccines are harmless and universally effective. Sites like this may make it convenient to find critiques of vaccination, but they form an echo chamber that magnifies the doubts. They most certainly are not designed to help anyone weigh different options. If they were, they'd spend more effort at presenting multiple views and even more importantly, at critiquing and comparing various claims. They fall back on the moral equivalent of "some people say...", backing away from taking responsibility for their views, by claiming that it's up to you the reader to weigh the evidence. But the evidence they provide only leads one way.
Shandi
05-28-2015, 09:01 AM
I didn't read the entire website, or even much of it. Mainly I was struck by the mission statement, but you're indicating that it's not true, so you may be correct. Do you also believe that conventional news outlets aren't controlled by the powers that be? If so, which ones do you watch and recommend, that aren't?
that would be nice if true. This is an advocacy site, pure and simple, cloaking themselves in a veneer of broadmindedness. They imply that they're more comprehensive and honest than conventional news outlets which they see as being captured by the powers that be....
It does seem that there's a lot of information out there which supports vaccines, so it would be fairly easy to find if we wanted to take responsibility for actually weighing the options. It would be helpful if there was a chart for Pro-Vaccine and Anti-Vaccine, so we could more easily weigh the evidence. It's such a complex issue that a simple chart wouldn't really do it justice.
Can you recommend a resource that supports the idea that vaccines can be helpful? I imagine that there are many that are promoted by the push for Mandatory Vaccines, since this was an unquestioned treatment for so long.
podfish
05-28-2015, 09:29 AM
I didn't read the entire website, or even much of it. Mainly I was struck by the mission statement, but you're indicating that it's not true, so you may be correct. Do you also believe that conventional news outlets aren't controlled by the powers that be? If so, which ones do you watch and recommend, that aren't?
It does seem that there's a lot of information out there which supports vaccines, so it would be fairly easy to find if we wanted to take responsibility for actually weighing the options. I....
Can you recommend a resource that supports the idea that vaccines can be helpful?
no, I absolutely don't believe that the conventional news outlets are controlled by the "powers that be" (to quote my own phrasing). They actually are part of the powers that be, I guess, by definition. But the idea that there's a central agenda that is being dictated by big pharma or the CDC or some other cohesive group is the one I object to, and the one that is often implied or even explicitly stated by anti-vaxxers. MSM tends to be more accepting of the status quo and respectful of authority than I like, but it's easy to account for that - and it's somewhat balanced by their tendency to go for controversy. I don't think you can reasonably search for the honest, impartial and truthful sources of news, since actual people are behind all of them - and people aren't built to be honest, impartial and truthful, no matter how hard they try. Sites like the one in question here, that claim to be that, fit right in with MSM sites that also make that claim. Actually, the only MSM source that I know of which makes that claim is Fox News. So you take what bedfellows you find yourself with!
And you're right, there is a lot of supportive information about vaccination available, and a well-informed citizenry should be able to find it. (somehow I'm getting an echo of the second amendment here, a well-regulated militia?? actually, we have neither right now) There are even sites dedicated to how to answer the arguments of anti-vaxxers (some just as un-serious as some of the anti-vax sites), and actual research on whether they're effective in the Journal of Pediatrics. (https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/02/25/peds.2013-2365)
podfish
05-28-2015, 09:36 AM
It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/DailyNews/December2001/RubVaxLinkedEpBarrVirus.htm...
while I'm posting on this topic again, I decided to follow the link above. I found this quote in the article, and I call 'bogus' on the whole thing. This is not the kind of quote you get from a real researcher:
"Biomedical researcher Allen D. Allen of Algorithms. Inc. of Northridge.
California, blames EBV syndrome on Merck Sharp and Dohme’s Biavax and
Meruvax vaccines which were introduced in the late 1970’s. Allen says. ‘I
can say all this attention to the (Epstein-Barr) syndrome. the public
awareness. started in the early 1980’s. right after these vaccines came out.
Young adults. the ones most likely to be in contact with young children, are
the primary targets. It’s too much of a coincidence to ignore."
HolisticKids
05-28-2015, 11:04 AM
There are no definitive answers either way regarding vaccines. There are many so-called "anti-vax" sites that have a lot of good info, but you will also find bogus info, like with the site in question. And yes, definitely that is not a balanced site, I knew this woman from a long time ago and she is extremely anti-vax. But what is a balanced viewpoint, or a balanced website, when the only true and balanced thing you can say about vaccines is that we just don't know enough yet about how these numerous injections affect the brains and bodies of young children. There is too much still unknown.
There is blatant misinformation coming from both sides. Which is why one should never just take the word of one organization or a few websites. It takes a lot of time to dig deeper into hundreds of studies, how they were conducted, who funded them, etc. And then the only thing you can really glean from all of that is that we need more and better studies.
There are no solid conclusions to be obtained from the science that has been done so far. The statement that is being thrown about all over the place that says, "the science is clear, vaccines don't cause autism" is completely bogus; the science is most certainly NOT clear. When is science ever complete? Science is always evolving; or at least it should be. There is so much unknown about immunology at this point. It is extremely complex and how we think about the immune system today is probably very naive compared to what we'll know in 100 years.
And it's not just about autism, it's about brain inflammation, asthma, allergies, ADHD, diabetes, low IQ, and many other chronic diseases - there already is some science on vaccines and these issues, but not enough to be definitive. But enough to say, wait, hold on - do I want to inject these known toxins into my small baby's fragile, developing body?
When the science is not available, we have to rely on what we see around us. What is true in our experience? The parents who have exempted their children from vaccines have seen them react to vaccines in ways that are not normal and are questioning vaccines and not getting answers. They are not going to get them injected again until they can get clear answers.
But the very sad, tragic thing is that any questioning of vaccines, by doctors and parents, continues to be silenced and those people are made out to be quacks and wackos. And yes, there has been a blatant media blitz designed to silence any questioners. There is no real investigative reporting when it comes to vaccines. And how scary and absolutely stupid to say the science is clear so there will be no further studies. That's it, don't question it, we're done learning about how vaccines can affect the body. No further research will be done - period.
In regards to this:
But the idea that there's a central agenda that is being dictated by big pharma or the CDC or some other cohesive group is the one I object to, and the one that is often implied or even explicitly stated by anti-vaxxers.
It's not a conspiracy, it's the way that business and politics is done in America. Pharmaceutical companies do have a huge control over our government, our medical system, and the outcome of the studies and what's viewed as science. No conspiracy here, it's just the way it's done.
Jane
no, I absolutely don't believe that the conventional news outlets are controlled by the "powers that be" (to quote my own phrasing). They actually are part of the powers that be, I guess, by definition. But the idea that there's a central agenda that is being dictated by big pharma or the CDC or some other cohesive group is the one I object to, and the one that is often implied or even explicitly stated by anti-vaxxers. ...
podfish
05-28-2015, 11:53 AM
It's not a conspiracy, it's the way that business and politics is done in America. Pharmaceutical companies do have a huge control over our government, our medical system, and the outcome of the studies and what's viewed as science. No conspiracy here, it's just the way it's done.
Janethat's a key point. Sorry if it cross-contaminates this thread too (conspiratorial forces show up in lots of contexts on Wacco) - but mistaking "the way it's done" for a deliberate conspiracy makes dealing with public issues far more difficult. The remedy for the first is changing the way it's done. Fighting an entrenched conspiracy requires something else - and it most certainly can't be done by encouraging incremental change.
arthunter
05-28-2015, 12:21 PM
I think that the charges of conspiracy come about when information or activists are suppressed by covert means ( look up Cointelpro ) ... this is unfortunately a big problem in our world and I could post link after link of factual proof of these practices having to do with the Occupy movement and many other protests ... this can also take the form of online shills purposely causing arguments and discrediting others who are telling the truth ... this makes change very difficult ...
that's a key point. Sorry if it cross-contaminates this thread too (conspiratorial forces show up in lots of contexts on Wacco) - but mistaking "the way it's done" for a deliberate conspiracy makes dealing with public issues far more difficult. The remedy for the first is changing the way it's done. Fighting an entrenched conspiracy requires something else - and it most certainly can't be done by encouraging incremental change.
HolisticKids
05-28-2015, 02:20 PM
Please take a stand against SB277 - It's a dangerous bill and it's not going to solve anything!!
No matter what you believe about vaccines, this bill is not going to do what it is intended to do. It is not going to protect public health. This bill will be a disaster for California, and needs to be opposed for these reasons:
This law will not compel educated, concerned parents to vaccinate. Most parents of children who have vaccine exemptions believe vaccines to be harmful to their children. Even under threat of their children being denied an education, they will not sacrifice their children's health and well-being.
These children will either move out of the state or be homeschooled. This means that those schools will lose funding. Schools are funded according to how many kids in attendance. There are currently 225,000 students in CA who are exempted from vaccines. This is huge financial impact.
The fully vaccinated kids who will be left in the schools will continue to get sick with whooping cough, colds, flu, and other viruses that are unsafe for immunocompromised children. Kids who are fully vaccinated may also be immunocompromised from too many doses of vaccines, making them more susceptible to contagious diseases.
No vaccine provides 100% immunity against a disease. Efficacy rates vary from around 24% (flu vaccine) to 95%, most being between 80% and 95% - and these rates are questionable. The numbers of adults who are not vaccine-immune and the number of vaccinated kids who did not become immune from the vaccine far outweigh the numbers of unvaccinated kids. These diseases will continue to be spread as usual, even if this bill is passed.
Just because a child is unvaccinated does not mean they are any more likely to get sick. In fact most unvaccinated children are healthy since their parents also take steps to increase natural immunity. There is no evidence that unvaccinated children put anyone at risk.
Additonal Points
SB 277 is not necessary: AB 2109, which has only been in effect for a year, is working. It has lowered personal belief exemption rates by 20%, so don’t believe Pan when he says that vaccination rates are going down. That’s an outright lie; they’re going up.
Vaccination Rates are at an all time high: The California Department of Public Health announced that our 2014 vaccination rates are at an all time high of 92%, the same rate of vaccination Senator Pan says we need to achieve herd immunity.
There is no emergency. In fact, the measles “outbreak” was considered over as of April 17, 2015.
Draconian law that’s all or nothing! SB277 will no longer allow you to vaccinate on a schedule of your choice. The state will now control the schedule for your child, not you.
Those Who Don’t Vax For All Aren’t All Anti-Vax: A large percentage of families filing for personal belief exemptions (PBEs) still vaccinate for most vaccines. Therefore PBE rates do not reflect a completely unvaccinated group of kids. Personal belief exemptions must be filed even if parents choose to decline a Hepatitis B vaccine, which is for a disease transmitted by sexual contact or intravenous drug use.
Health
Immune-compromised individuals will NOT be protected. Mandating vaccination to prevent 'vaccine preventable diseases' will not protect immuno-compromised individuals from getting sick, simply because there are too many viruses that we do not have vaccines to protect against.
Whooping Cough: A Disease of the Vaccinated. Pertussis or whooping cough, has become a disease of the vaccinated. In 2014 only 11.5% of people with pertussis were unvaccinated. An immunocompromised child is more likely to be exposed to pertussis from a vaccinated classmate than an unvaccinated one.
Medicine is not one-size-fits-all. Let doctors do their job. Let’s keep the government out of the patient doctor relationship.
SB 277 tramples informed consent. In opinion 8.08, the American Medical Association holds up informed consent as an essential element to good medicine.
Vaccines manufacturers are free of liability. Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued should their product cause debilitating injury or death. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (NCVIA) shields pharmaceutical companies from liability.
A bill the benefits big business only. Vaccine manufacturers can’t force medical mandates and have immunity from wrongdoing. Merck: You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. In 2011, the US Supreme Court ruled that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe.” To date, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation program has paid out $2.9 billion to petitioners and more than $123.9 million to cover legal fees. If there is a risk, there must be a choice.
Administration of vaccine is a medical procedure, and it’s unethical to force a medical procedure on anyone by denying them the right to equal education opportunities if they are not fully vaccinated. Don’t put the government between patients and their doctors.
Vaccinated people both get and spread diseases, too. Vaccinated children risk spreading the disease for which they were vaccinated for a period of time after vaccination. This is called vaccine shedding. Children who are recently vaccinated pose a greater risk to immunocompromised children than partially vaccinated or unvaccinated kids who aren’t currently sick.
Some children will die as a result of this mandate. According to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), there have been 109 deaths from the MMR vaccine in the past decade. It’s completely unethical to sacrifice any child for the greater good.
Where is your PhD, Mr. Government? The government does not have a license to practice medicine and should not be allowed to force medical procedures on its citizens. This is not the place of government.
Most adults aren’t up-to-date on vaccinations- yet this has not led to widespread outbreaks in adults? A majority of residents in California and across the nation are “baby boomer” adults who were last vaccinated as children and their vaccine protection wore off decades ago.
Science
Static science is anti-science. There is nothing more anti-scientific than the very idea that science is settled, static, and impervious to challenge.
School & Education
Removes education as a right, (as explained by the California Constitution, Article 9, Section 5).
Promotes discrimination. SB 277 will sanction segregation by writing inequality into the law, expelling partially vaccinated and unvaccinated kids from school.
Favors the wealthy and healthy. Only those wealthy enough to home school will be able to enjoy medical freedom, and kids with special needs won't be able to receive services they need to thrive at home.
Separate is not equal. Segregates a community and forcing them to unequal education, which the court in Brown v. Board of Education (1954, 1955) ruled that separate is not equal.
Education is a fundamental right in California: SB277 will violate this right to education guaranteed under California constitution. California Supreme Court affirmed that California school children have a constitutional right to “substantially equal opportunities for learning”.
Discriminates against disabled students. SB 277 removes federally mandated rights of services to students with disabilities, (as indicated in the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), a federal law enacted under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which ensures services to students with disabilities. IDEA also ensures a free and appropriate public education for these kids, or FAPE).
Education is a right, not a privilege. Every child regardless of their medical status must have access to a free public education in California. If kids with HIV, Hep B, unvaccinated immune compromised kids and kids with unknown vaccination status (because of being homeless or being an immigrant) are allowed to attend schools so should kids with PBE's!
The only choice is: forced injections or forced expulsion! If parents don’t comply with this mandate, they’ll have no choice but to homeschool, even though they may not have the financial wherewithal, the time, or the education.
Limiting education for kids is sanctioned segregation. Severely limiting educational opportunities for kids is not only regressive, it is a mandate, sanctioned segregation, and illegal.
Rights
SB 277 Supports A Police State: On April 28th, 2015, Senator Wieckoski goes on record indicating SB 277 can be enforced by police power. Then he further states that no human being can deny a vaccine if it's forced by our government and that parental rights are NOT concrete. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdoHGc9NSE&feature=youtu.be (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdoHGc9NSE&feature=youtu.be)
The greatest good is served when every person counts. Doing things for the “greater good” removes rights of all for the sake of some. The “greater good” discriminates and prohibits rights for all.
Contradicting information. Vaccines are sold as “safe and effective; everyone should get them; one size fits all.” On the other hand, vaccine manufacturers have blanket liability protection because the government deems them, "unavoidably unsafe". That is a fundamental contradiction.
Socialist mandates strip our freedoms. Giving the government the right to dictate what we put in our bodies is just the same as the government deciding what religion we practice, what we eat, how we vote.
A sad history repeating itself. Fear and misinformation leads to segregation and discrimination, as seen our American history with the Civil Rights movement, CA Japanese Internment camps in WWII, McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc. This is history repeating itself.
If we are to remain a free society we must have the right to choose. The right to choose what goes into your body is supported in both the United States and Californian Constitutions.
Violates medical ethics, (as written in Opinion 8.08 of the American Medical Association).
Removes freedom of religion, (as declared by the California Constitution Declaration of Rights, Article 1, Section 4).
Incriminates, not protects. Violates the "equal protection clause" of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Removes parental rights, as stated in California's constitution Declaration of Rights, Article 1, Section 3.
Taxes, Financing, and Business
Taxpayers are paying for vaccine injuries settlements, not Merck! The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) paid out $3.1 billion dollars to people who suffered vaccine injuries. Our own government has confirmed the risk of injury. Why are we as taxpayers paying footing the bill for pharmaceutiucal companies?
More taxes and more welfare? One cannot work a minimum wage job AND homeschool. If parents have to quit their job to homeschool their children, then who is footing the bill for these families to live? Welfare? More taxes?
Checks and Balances aren’t Balanced. Merck has a monopoly on the MMR vaccine, yet has immunity from liability. Now they want to mandate their product to all children. Where are the checks and balances in that system?
Thousands of Parents Will Lose Their Jobs. If parents have to juggle home-schooling hours with their jobs, thousands of parents will lose their jobs. The economic impact will be detrimental to California.
California School System WIll Lose Millions. There are roughly 225,000 students who will no longer be allowed to attend public school. Each school district will lose their funding of $5,000 per child, which equates to $1,125,000,000 is losses for the California school system.
Schools in rural counties will close. Several rural counties already fight to keep their schools open with smaller class sizes. How will these schools continue to stay open if the funding for hundreds of kids is cut? How will other families be able to educate their children if they have to drive hours to get their children to another school?
Financial Impact of Vaccine Injury Is Monumental. VAERS reporting system collects 30,000 reports of vaccine injuries per year. The financial impact of just one confirmed case to a family and state is huge, including state supported health and education programs. The financial impact to a family comes with an even greater price.
Force vaccination doesn’t incentivize safe vaccines. Pharmaceutical industry has become the biggest defrauder under the Federal False Claims Act and has returned $19.2 billion from attempts to defraud federal health programs. If you force vaccination without a choice then pharmaceutical companies have no further incentive to manufacture safe vaccines. No one should ever be required, absolutely, to take a product from an industry that engages in large-scale criminal behavior.
Big Pharma Has Paid For the Democrats’ Votes. Democrats are not voting for the greater good in mind; they are voting based on their campaign contributions. Just look for yourself at Senator Pan’s and Senator Mitchell’s campaign donors alone: https://www.followthemoney.org/ (https://www.followthemoney.org/)
Religion
Use of aborted fetal cells is anti-religion. More than 23 vaccines contain cells, cellular debris, protein, and DNA from aborted babies in their development. Vaccines are a product numerous religions forbid.
SB 277 violates the right to religious freedom. SB 277 would require citizens to inject their children with whatever vaccine is mandated now and in the future, regardless of ingredients and regardless of religious contradiction. a medication which is a product of something their religion forbids.
First amendment rights will be removed. In California, religious belief exemption is combined with the right for personal belief exemption. Taking away personal belief will violate the American right and California’s Constitutional tenet of religious freedom.
HolisticKids
05-28-2015, 02:25 PM
Here's what you can do NOW to oppose SB277:
ACTION PLAN for Thursday, May 28 2015
****From the OKOC Strategic Team****
SB277 *MIGHT* BE REFERRED ONLY TO HEALTH COMMITTEE
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Today we found out that SB277, *Might* be referred only to Health Committee as per the Agenda of Rules Committee for May 28, 2015.
PLEASE contact the members of the Health Committee TODAY!!
https://ahea.assembly.ca.gov/
(https://ahea.assembly.ca.gov/)
• WRITE: Use our talking pointshttps://www.facebook.com/groups/OurKidsOurChoice.OpposeSB277/1020081058016695/
and our letter to formulate your own personalized letter.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OurKidsOurChoice.OpposeSB277/1020081244683343/
(https://www.facebook.com/groups/OurKidsOurChoice.OpposeSB277/1020081244683343/)
• CALL to let them know your stance
**If you can make an appointment to see them face to face, that is the best way to communicate. Please try to meet with your
Assembly member ASAP!
Thanks so much for helping to stop this horrendous bill!
Jane
Shandi
05-28-2015, 06:14 PM
I agree that changing "the way it's done" would make a huge difference. Any ideas on how that might be accomplished? Who actually decides "how it's done"? Or also on how to fight an entrenched conspiracy?
I don't watch the news, but I do watch Jon Stewart and Rachal Maddow, and I think it's interesting when they do show clips of news reporters using the same exact words, it's as if it's a script that's been given to them.
I don't recall if you indicated that you watch the news or not. You did mention Fox News, but I wasn't sure if that meant you watch it or not.
I understand that people would have difficulty being objective, especially in situations where they have strong opinions, either based on experience, or judgement without actual experience. Even scientific proof can be skewed by who's doing it.
So, when I make decisions on important matters, I look to my own experience or those I know about, then I tune in to my intuitive awareness.
If I read that billions of dollars have been paid out to compensate for vaccine injuries, or I hear about auto, or human/pet food recalls, or medical devices which have caused more problems than they've solved, I take notice.
The man who recently moved in next door to me, was severely disabled from the polio vaccine. He's living on a trust, which I'm not sure is from vaccine compensation or not. He's the only one I've met who shared this with me. There may be others I know who haven't mentioned it.
But aside from all of this, I believe the real issue is "choice" about what we put in our bodies. How do you feel about forced fluoride in your water supply? Or that it's a crime to grow your own vegetable garden? Freedom of choice is at the heart of so many important issues, in addition to hiding the truth.
I just received a notice that the FDA will no longer allow pet food manufacturers to identify human grade food ingredients. So, consumers will continue to be misled by lies on labels that may indicate healthy, wholesome ingredients, when they are far from that. Pets will continue the sickness and death from foods given by guardians who are taken in by false, and allowable advertising. Pet vaccines also cause injuries, and my cat's not getting anymore if I can help it.
No one's really watching out for us, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to look out for ourselves. And laws are being made to mandate against it.
that's a key point. Sorry if it cross-contaminates this thread too (conspiratorial forces show up in lots of contexts on Wacco) - but mistaking "the way it's done" for a deliberate conspiracy makes dealing with public issues far more difficult. The remedy for the first is changing the way it's done. Fighting an entrenched conspiracy requires something else - and it most certainly can't be done by encouraging incremental change.
sharingwisdom
05-28-2015, 07:08 PM
It doesn't seem that SV 40 is 130 years old. This article will give you more information.
Simian Virus 40: A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
By Michael E. Horwin, M. A, JD [This article was originally published in eht Albany Law Journeal of Science and Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003
https://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html
Does SV indicate a simian (ape) virus rather than a human virus (denoted by H_V, such as HIV or HSV)? If that is the case, it is difficult to believe that an ape virus is causing cancer in humans.
Not to say that it is impossible, or that simian virus cannot cause disease in humans. After all, what is now HIV apparently started out as SIV and jumped from chimpanzees to humans c. 130 years ago. What is the evidence that SV40 has become a carcinogenic virus in humans? What type of cancer does it cause?
sharingwisdom
05-28-2015, 07:13 PM
Your opinion.
...I call 'bogus' on the whole thing. This is not the kind of quote you get from a real researcher...
Glia
05-29-2015, 12:07 AM
nobody said that SV40 is 130 years old. It is probably several thousand to several million years old, depending on which simian(s) it lives in.
It doesn't seem that SV 40 is 130 years old. This article will give you more information.
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HolisticKids
05-29-2015, 11:01 AM
Hi All,
A nationwide effort is underway to have MDs and DOs in CA and across the country send in a signed letter on official letterhead to the fax # below. Here is a letter they can simply cut and paste to create their own, then sign. Many have already signed and sent one in in the last 24 hrs. They will be hand-delivered by an advocate mom. I hope you will encourage any and all of your doctors to submit a letter to help stop SB277.
Thank you in advance,
Laura :)
Dear California Elected Officials,
We write as a coalition of Medical Doctors who believe in Medical Freedom -- which is why we are joining to oppose SB 277 & SB792. We operate under the American Medical Association Code of ethics that states: “the patient should make his or her own determination about treatment... Informed consent is a basic policy in both ethics and law that physicians must honor..." The mandatory vaccine interventions being proposed in this legislation go against our code of ethics as medical professionals.
Furthermore, we are not in a current state of epidemic. The Disneyland Measles outbreak affected only 24 out of the 6.7 million school-aged children in California. This equates to just 18% of the total 134 cases of measles. The outbreak was not centered in schools and there was not a single documented transmission of the disease in a school setting. The majority of cases occurred near the epicenter and where measles spread to communities removed from the epicenter it was well contained with a small handful of cases per county. On April 17, 2015 the measles outbreak was declared over and did not result in any deaths. Does mandating 10 vaccines in response to this outbreak seem justified?
Vaccination does not come without risk. Every year, almost 4000 severe reactions are reported to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS), which result in prolonged hospitalization, permanent disability, or death. Since VAERS is a passive reporting system, many reactions aren’t even reported. The true number of adverse reactions may be even higher. Over $3 billion have been paid out to victims of vaccine reactions. Knowing this, how can we take away a parent’s right to choose in the absence of any real public health crisis?
“First, do no harm.” It is our responsibility to protect the interest of our patients, first and foremost. The ethical principle of informed consent to medical risk taking must be respected, especially when the procedure has been legally classified as "unavoidably unsafe." We should not take a "one size fits all" approach when we know some individuals are at greater biological risk than others for suffering vaccine reactions. Ultimately, medical decisions for children should be made between a parent and doctor.
This country was founded in the spirit of freedom. Let’s not let fear motivate us to begin chipping away at our most basic freedom to choose what medical procedures are best for ourselves and our children. Please protect a parent’s right to choose, and oppose SB277 & SB792.
Sincerely,
Doctor's printed name and signature
Now, here is the info re. where to send it:
Fax letter to (510) 439-2626 (tel:%28510%29%20439-2626) and it will be hand-delivered asap.
Hotspring 44
05-29-2015, 01:28 PM
RE:
It doesn't seem that SV 40 is 130 years old. This article will give you more information.
Simian Virus 40: A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
By Michael E. Horwin, M. A, JD [This article was originally published in eht Albany Law Journeal of Science and Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003
https://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html
I don't know if anyone has already posted the below links (too many posts for me to read through) so no disrespect to anyone's post that may have already mentioned any of them.
The politicians who make the ultimate decision should at least be aware of the why for reasons that the choice to vaccinate or not is a valid one and that the vaccines which are available (possibly mandated) must be screened with the utmost competence to be 100% free of such contaminants as is described in the presentations and book that the links go to and are,in large part are about (HIV!!! etc.).
There are far better lab techniques now then there were in 1950's and 1980's, so as far as the “monkey virus” and such viral contaminants are concerned, if the production and screening of ALL the batches of vaccines is done with the utmost high level of competence, there should no longer be a concern but there are for sure other legitimate concerns on both sides of the 'argument'; however, I am at this point in time on the side of choice.
Guns and Butter – August 6, 2014 (https://kpfa.org/episode/105387/)
“Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part One” with Edward T. Haslam (Fundraiser) Repeat of last week’s fundraiser due to technical problems. The full one-hour interview will be re-broadcast, as well as Part Two of Dr. Mary’s Monkey. Thank you for your support of KPFA. Email me at: [email protected]
Guns and Butter – August 27, 2014 (https://kpfa.org/episode/106039/)
“Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part Two” with Edward T. Haslam
More about the book: “Dr. Mary’s Monkey”, the so-called Lee Harvey Oswald connection and such:
https://doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm
Glia
05-30-2015, 12:31 AM
I read the article at the link you provided. The first thing that got my attention was the domain name of the website where it is posted, sv40foundation.org, which indicates that this is enough of an issue to warrant its own website, or someone is trying to gin up a class action suit, etc.
the article was well-written, extensively referenced and documented, and definitely informative. I had never heard of this issue before. While it is not a slam-dunk that SV40 or any simian virus causes human cancer, the CDC is trying to soft-pedal a causal relationship, and that speaks volumes IMO.
What is clear in the article is that the viral contamination was known, and the contaminated product was used anyway -- once again those that are supposedly protecting us are not, and are motivated by something other than our best interest.
What unknown virus, substance or other problem is in the vaccines currently in use? It will take years to know, or we may never know.
Simian Virus 40: A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
By Michael E. Horwin, M. A, JD [This article was originally published in eht Albany Law Journeal of Science and Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003
https://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html
Shandi
05-30-2015, 06:44 AM
That politicians should "care" to be aware of the reasons that choice is a valid one, and that vaccines "must" be screened to be 100% free of contaminants seems like wishful thinking to me. Who among us would reject choice over mandate, unless there was a big financial reward? Even then, we might vote "mandate" for others, and "choice" for ourselves. As for screening to be 100% free of contaminants, who do we trust to do this, when the bottom line is profits, not our welfare?
Our life is full of contaminants in our air, water, and food, let alone the chemical products we use to clean, eradicate, enhance, and "purify". We better get used to the "difficult truth" that no one's really looking out for our health and welfare.
RE:I don't know if anyone has already posted the below links (too many posts for me to read through) so no disrespect to anyone's post that may have already mentioned any of them...
podfish
05-30-2015, 07:43 AM
That politicians should "care" to be aware of the reasons that choice is a valid one,...I mostly agree, except for two bits: I don't think a financial reward is an essential motivation. There are several others - for example, feeling that without a mandate an important public policy won't be adopted. Traffic laws come to mind.. but of course everyone personally would rather not be compelled to do anything.
And it's too pessimistic to believe that no one is looking out for us. It's just that no one can be fully trusted - "no one", (whoever that is) may even have the best intentions but he's just not that good.
Shandi
05-30-2015, 08:02 AM
Traffic laws are one place I do agree are mandated for public safety, since without them, we'd see a lot more accidents, injuries and death. As for mandated vaccines, proponents would have us believe that this is in the interest of public health. Maybe the motivation is fear more than profits from some who are pro-vaccine, but I do think that profit is the bottom line for most drug firms.
Yeah, it is kind of pessimistic to think that no one's looking our for us; there are some trustworthy companies who's mission is to contribute to our health and safety. Actions speak louder than words, so it's up to us to investigate the actions of those companies, rather than being taken in by slick marketing.
I mostly agree, except for two bits:...
sharingwisdom
05-30-2015, 05:26 PM
Perhaps there are better lab processes now but Big Pharma sure isn't using them.
CDC's 'inconsistent' lab practices threaten its credibility, report says https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/health/cdc-lab-safety-problems-credibility/index.html
(https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/health/cdc-lab-safety-problems-credibility/index.html)Constitutional lawyers, Jonathan Emord talks about corruption within the FDA falsifying studies and the corporations self monitoring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgf-nBeI1g8#t=11
Corporate-funded medical ghostwriting
https://www.pogo.org/our-work/articles/2011/ph-iis-20110620.html#What%20is%20%22off%20label%22%20promotion%20and%20how%20is%20ghostwriting%20involved
(https://www.pogo.org/our-work/articles/2011/ph-iis-20110620.html#What%20is%20%22off%20label%22%20promotion%20and%20how%20is%20ghostwriting%20involved)Corporations pay American Council on Science and Health big money to push toxic products – Science for sale (https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/)
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/
(https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/)Defense budget pays for Big Pharma to get rich
https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/big-pharma-getting-rich-on-us-defense-budget/
(https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/big-pharma-getting-rich-on-us-defense-budget/)Editor In Chief Of World’s Best Known Medical Journal: Half Of All The Literature Is False
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/16/editor-in-chief-of-worlds-best-known-medical-journal-half-of-all-the-literature-is-false
RE:
I don't know if anyone has already posted the below links (too many posts for me to read through) so no disrespect to anyone's post that may have already mentioned any of them.
The politicians who make the ultimate decision should at least be aware of the why for reasons that the choice to vaccinate or not is a valid one and that the vaccines which are available (possibly mandated) must be screened with the utmost competence to be 100% free of such contaminants as is described in the presentations and book that the links go to and are,in large part are about (HIV!!! etc.).
There are far better lab techniques now then there were in 1950's and 1980's, so as far as the “monkey virus” and such viral contaminants are concerned, if the production and screening of ALL the batches of vaccines is done with the utmost high level of competence, there should no longer be a concern but there are for sure other legitimate concerns on both sides of the 'argument'; however, I am at this point in time on the side of choice.
Guns and Butter – August 6, 2014 (https://kpfa.org/episode/105387/)
“Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part One” with Edward T. Haslam (Fundraiser) Repeat of last week’s fundraiser due to technical problems. The full one-hour interview will be re-broadcast, as well as Part Two of Dr. Mary’s Monkey. Thank you for your support of KPFA. Email me at: [email protected]
Guns and Butter – August 27, 2014 (https://kpfa.org/episode/106039/)
“Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part Two” with Edward T. Haslam
More about the book: “Dr. Mary’s Monkey”, the so-called Lee Harvey Oswald connection and such:
https://doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm
sharingwisdom
05-30-2015, 05:31 PM
I realize it's difficult to think that Big Pharma and the gov't don't have your back and that there are just a few that make it rotten. But that just isn't the truth.
https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturer/
Former Big Pharma Rep, Gwen Olsen, says they are trained to misinform…drugs are dangerous
https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/
(https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/)Dr. John Rengen (pharma insider, exec of Eli Lily)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8ItXRMPfA
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8ItXRMPfA)FDA spied on whistle-blowing scientists: https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/FDA-spied-on-whistle-blowing-scientists-3707658.php
I mostly agree, except for two bits: I don't think a financial reward is an essential motivation. There are several others - for example, feeling that without a mandate an important public policy won't be adopted. Traffic laws come to mind.. but of course everyone personally would rather not be compelled to do anything.
And it's too pessimistic to believe that no one is looking out for us. It's just that no one can be fully trusted - "no one", (whoever that is) may even have the best intentions but he's just not that good.
Hotspring 44
05-30-2015, 08:04 PM
RE:
Perhaps there are better lab processes now but Big Pharma sure isn't using them.
CDC's 'inconsistent' lab practices threaten its credibility, report says https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/health/cdc-lab-safety-problems-credibility/index.html
(https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19/health/cdc-lab-safety-problems-credibility/index.html)Constitutional lawyers, Jonathan Emord talks about corruption within the FDA falsifying studies and the corporations self monitoring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgf-nBeI1g8#t=11
Corporate-funded medical ghostwriting
https://www.pogo.org/our-work/articles/2011/ph-iis-20110620.html#What%20is%20%22off%20label%22%20promotion%20and%20how%20is%20ghostwriting%20involved
(https://www.pogo.org/our-work/articles/2011/ph-iis-20110620.html#What%20is%20%22off%20label%22%20promotion%20and%20how%20is%20ghostwriting%20involved)Corporations pay American Council on Science and Health big money to push toxic products – Science for sale (https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/)
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/
(https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2015/05/09/corporations-pay-american-council-on-science-and-health-big-money-to-push-toxic-products-science-for-sale/)Defense budget pays for Big Pharma to get rich
https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/big-pharma-getting-rich-on-us-defense-budget/
(https://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/big-pharma-getting-rich-on-us-defense-budget/)Editor In Chief Of World’s Best Known Medical Journal: Half Of All The Literature Is False
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/05/16/editor-in-chief-of-worlds-best-known-medical-journal-half-of-all-the-literature-is-false
And:
]I realize it's difficult to think that Big Pharma and the gov't don't have your back and that there are just a few that make it rotten. But that just isn't the truth.
https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturer/
Former Big Pharma Rep, Gwen Olsen, says they are trained to misinform…drugs are dangerous
https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/
(https://yournewswire.com/ex-big-pharma-sales-rep-we-are-trained-to-misinform-the-drugs-are-dangerous/)Dr. John Rengen (pharma insider, exec of Eli Lily)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8ItXRMPfA
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8ItXRMPfA)FDA spied on whistle-blowing scientists: https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/FDA-spied-on-whistle-blowing-scientists-3707658.php Admittedly I have not gone to any of those links but I really don't need to to say that it seems to me that this whole issue and a plethora of other things that are encroaching deeper into the fabric of our freedom, liberty, and invading our bodies in some cases; as what this thread topic is about.
There is a basic root of which the problem is based; that root is pure unadulterated human selfish greed; That 'tree' of greed has seeded and those seeds are fed and watered from, in large part, but not limited to, the current trend of laissez-faire (https://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/328028/laissez-faire) economics coupled with the current trend that corporations, same as individuals, have First Amendment constitutional rights: (the Citizens United (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC#Majority_opinion) decision from SCOTUS)... ...I could go into more detail on the Citizens United issue but that would be for another thread.
IMHO we are witnessing and experiencing the fundamental flaws in the capitalist economic system that is currently emphasizing and forcing only the so-called 'good' aspects of it into the minds of those of us that participate in the consumption of that corporate dominated media which is for the most part owned by the corporate elitists who have a monopoly on it.
Disadvantages of a Free Market Economy (https://www.theresearchpedia.com/research-articles/disadvantages-of-a-free-market-economy)
That politicians should "care" to be aware of the reasons that choice is a valid one, and that vaccines "must" be screened to be 100% free of contaminants seems like wishful thinking to me.As long as people in-mass aren't willing to stand-up to that kind of abuse I am afraid that you are absolutely correct about that but otherwise there are already known ways to do most of that screening if the competition for profits and egocentrics are vastly diminished to being virtually eliminated and moved out of the way of actual progress, but I have to say: that is more in the realm of “wishful thinking”.
Who among us would reject choice over mandate, unless there was a big financial reward? Even then, we might vote "mandate" for others, and "choice" for ourselves.Not sure who the “we” are that you meant but I think I know the gist of what you are saying... ...(hypocrisy is what I think you are mostly referring to... ...and maybe some bullying too (?)).
As for screening to be 100% free of contaminants, who do we trust to do this, when the bottom line is profits, not our welfare?Answer- in essence; There will always be honest mistakes but it is the “we” who have to do it because there is no one else that “we” can trust to not sell us out.
Our life is full of contaminants in our air, water, and food, let alone the chemical products we use to clean, eradicate, enhance, and "purify". We better get used to the "difficult truth" that no one's really looking out for our health and welfare. :2cents:Well then “we” better start.
podfish
05-30-2015, 09:47 PM
I realize it's difficult to think that Big Pharma and the gov't don't have your back and that there are just a few that make it rotten. But that just isn't the truth.why would that be difficult? I realize what this forum is all about, but even so the discussion is tainted by being characterized as devil vs. saint, or madonna vs. whore.
what is that even supposed to mean, "have our back" ?? that implies to me anyway them having a lot more charitable instinct than you can attribute to an industry. Businesses don't have altruistic motives - in fact despite the claims of some political leaders, corporations really aren't people at all so they don't have motives in the same sense your doctor might - and even then, that's a business relationship at heart too. So relying absolutely on your doctor's altruism isn't completely safe. Even if it's Dr. Oz.
anyway, arguing about whether the vaccines are purer than Caesar's wife (ok, I'm torturing cliches heavily - it's Saturday) doesn't get to the heart of the question. That's a different question. Should vaccine productions be more heavily regulated, scrutinized and improved?? Hell yeah. Is the whole idea of successful vaccination just a fantasy made up out of whole cloth? I haven't been convinced. But if the population suffers more from diseases than it does from vaccines, then on balance it should be vaccinated. To paraphrase another great american political figure, you vaccinate with the vaccines you have, not the vaccines you might want to have.
I think that a lot of the claims that vaccines aren't needed any more rely on the fact that most people actually are vaccinated. Like requiring all the ice to melt before acknowledging global warming, requiring the return of epidemics before acknowledging the usefulness of vaccines seems expensive. I'm not convinced by horrified observation of the effects of the profit motive on provision of medical care, or of typical bureaucratic snafus, that there's a major hoax being perpetrated. Obviously there are many who feel otherwise.
Shandi
05-31-2015, 10:04 AM
You're correct that businesses don't have altruistic motives, unless they're non-profit businesses, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're altruistic. And, as for Dr. Oz, my instincts tell me not to trust him, even though that may not be a popular perception.
I thought that this particular thread was about opposing mandated vaccines, and the reasons for and against were offered, with some substantial research on evidence from both sides. Well, mostly from the side of free choice.
I haven't seen any comments that indicated vaccines aren't needed at all. Maybe I've just missed those. I'm just guessing, but I think that on the whole, more people may "suffer" in some degree, from diseases than from vaccines, but that isn't a reason that we "should" all be vaccinated, without our consent.
Look at the suffering that smoking and drinking cause, yet people still have choice about these activities.
why would that be difficult? I realize what this forum is all about, but even so the discussion is tainted by being characterized as devil vs. saint, or madonna vs. whore...
kpage9
05-31-2015, 02:55 PM
Speaking as a proponent, I would suggest an alternate motivation, much less conspiracy-worthy: common sense. I know that sounds glib and maybe insulting--but it's the truth, for me and for everyone else I know well enough to attribute motive to. Not fear, and not gullible identification with someone else's profit motive.
And it is based on a balance of trust/mistrust of our government's motives and truthfulness. On this one, while mandatory seems a little overreaching, it is less so than what does seem like paranoid hysteria about keeping our freedoms...the traffic laws being a really good counter example.
Gun control rarely comes up as a parallel issue, but of course it is. Would the anti-vaxxers also fight reducing access to deadly weapons?
kathy
As for mandated vaccines, proponents would have us believe that this is in the interest of public health. Maybe the motivation is fear more than profits from some who are pro-vaccine, but I do think that profit is the bottom line for most drug firms.
Shandi
05-31-2015, 03:59 PM
It's my "common sense" that doesn't want anyone putting something in my body or my children's body without my permission, whether it's vaccines or fluoride or GMOs. And, I don't consider my desire for freedom "paranoid hysteria". Isn't that what so many people willingly gave their lives for in our various wars?Traffic laws make sense, "common sense" if you will because they're in place to protect us, and there's no question about that. People aren't protesting traffic laws, or lack of freedom because of them. Actually we do have the freedom to ignore them, as many people do.Gun control is a complex issue, and I don't see any real solution, because like anything that's outlawed, there's a way around the laws, especially if you're "connected" and have the money. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws.I just read that Texas passed an "Open Carry" law. Maybe it's better if guns are visible, rather than hidden, like in the Wild West.
Speaking as a proponent, I would suggest an alternate motivation, much less conspiracy-worthy: common sense. I know that sounds glib and maybe insulting--but it's the truth, for me and for everyone else I know well enough to attribute motive to. Not fear, and not gullible identification with someone else's profit motive. And it is based on a balance of trust/mistrust of our government's motives and truthfulness. On this one, while mandatory seems a little overreaching, it is less so than what does seem like paranoid hysteria about keeping our freedoms...the traffic laws being a really good counter example. Gun control rarely comes up as a parallel issue, but of course it is. Would the anti-vaxxers also fight reducing access to deadly weapons?kathy[/COLOR][/B]
sharingwisdom
05-31-2015, 06:53 PM
If you're believing the Big pharma statistics about the diseases vs the vaccination, after all that I and others have posted about the deception in the pharmaceuticals with their statistics and false entries, and you actually agree about Big Pharma ("Businesses don't have altruistic motives"), then there is a schism in what you're writing. I wonder why, somehow, you can see the deception in one realm but not see it in the others.
If you believe that the vaccination industry should be heavily regulated and it is by the corporations that actually do the regulations (since they run the FDA and CDC), this means that vaccines aren't regulated outside corporate interests, and what you say doesn't really make sense. If you want to believe what corporate interests and censored media say, that vaccines are the pancea for health, after what you just wrote, that doesn't make any sense either.
And if corporate-operated/controlled science is different than real science (which it is to me and others on this board), then the whole story of vaccines is a fraud, another construct of deception that needs to crumble. If it's true that vaccines are so wonderful, then why did the pharma industry make sure people couldn't sue for injuries starting back in the 80's, that tax payers like you and I pay out millions to a vaccine court, but the Big Pharma's other products can be brought to court in a lawsuit (and have...I've listed them in the past)? The controlled media and corporate interests keep upping the doses saying the vaccines don't work unless you get more of them anytime it turns out that those vaccinated get the disease (I've listed those stories in the past too) unless more is given.
Have you had all your 48 vaccines like those under 6 are supposed to get?? Or have you had all the adult vaccines the CDC is recommending? None of you who are into vaccines have ever answered this.
For those of us who have been able to research and understand that the vaccines are part of the pharmaceutical fraud including their history no different than many of their other products, then we will see things very differently.
...I think that a lot of the claims that vaccines aren't needed any more rely on the fact that most people actually are vaccinated. Like requiring all the ice to melt before acknowledging global warming, requiring the return of epidemics before acknowledging the usefulness of vaccines seems expensive. I'm not convinced by horrified observation of the effects of the profit motive on provision of medical care, or of typical bureaucratic snafus, that there's a major hoax being perpetrated. Obviously there are many who feel otherwise.
DebbieDelta
05-31-2015, 11:16 PM
*********BREAKING NEWS*********
There will be a peaceful rally on Thursday, June 4, 2015 from 1pm-3pm at 50 D street, Santa Rosa.
Please join us in Opposition to SB277 while we meet with the district director for Assemblyman Marc Levine at 2pm. We will also talk with assistants in Senator McGuires office and Assemblyman Jim Wood's office if possible.
Our goal is to get 100 people rallying together in to send a message to our representatives
Opposition to SB277
Bring signs, wear red, bring kids, come anytime between 1pm-3pm, stay as little or as long as you can!
Alex
06-01-2015, 10:03 AM
.... As for screening to be 100% free of contaminants, who do we trust to do this.... Our life is full of contaminants in our air, water, and food......
The bane of the vaccine industry from day one is that the biological contaminants that they create that would never otherwise occur in nature cannot be all eliminated.
Once again, the big difference from anything air, food or water is injecting these toxins and contaminants directly into the bloodstream, especially with zero knowledge of the longterm consequences.
Here's a simple walk thru of how vaccines are made emphasizing the gravity of it's specific fooling-with-mother-nature contaminant issue.
To make any vaccine, first the petri dish grown toxic bacterium, or the viral type 'germ' that requires a live host must be attenuated - weakened for human use by passing several times thru tissues of cows, dogs, rodents, pigs, minced monkey kidneys, mashed chick embryos or aborted human fetus organs (diploid).
After this stage, the weakened disease germ must be re-strengthened to boost anti-bodies with stabilizers and drug, antibiotic and/or toxic disinfectant adjuvants including neomycin, streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin... and most notably the exceptionally toxic aluminum hydroxide, aluminum hydrochloride, formaldehyde... and mercury thimerosal of which just 'trace' amounts have long histories of causing cancer, autism, sids, asthma, MS, neurological damage and death. (Lethal dose: 0.00015 grams)
After this stage, the unsolvable big thorn in the side of vaccine manufacturers is the impossibility of filtering any vaccine clean of all foreign animal RNA and DNA. The standard processing method is to scan only for the known genetic contaminates... then the pharmaceutical company is legally allowed to ignore the rest and classify them as 'unknown'. The problem is, by their very nature these animal viruses are mutating organisms and can cross the species barrier creating unpredictable new viruses lethal to humans.
These undetected infected vaccines have been released to the public many times now. Notable examples include the millions of people in the 1950's & 60's who contracted brain tumors, cancers and a condition similar to AIDS from the monkey organ SV-40 virus in the polio vaccine - called #40 for being the 40th by then to cross the species barrier. MMR Attenuvax was tainted with avian leukosis and MMR II had avian endogenous retrovirus. Varivax contained retrovirus K causing MS. The most recent to be trashed after animal DNA contamination was found after more than a million babies 2, 4 and 6 months old were injected was the Rotatrix vaccine from pigs in 2010.
Forced to address to this dire, unsolvable public health threat, Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court declared vaccines to be "unavoidably unsafe", shielded pharmaceutical companies from all product liability and created the Child Vaccine Injury Act.
Vaccinating therefore makes your child a lifelong guinea pig, especially on the longterm/accumulative effects. Some side effects and grave sicknesses show quickly, some many years before debilitating or lethal consequences.
SB277 will require you to inject your child with 49 of these 'unavoidably unsafe' doses of live virus bacteria, toxic substances and unknown/possibly mutating animal matter by age 6 - for which pharmaceutical companies have been totally exempted from any legal, safety or financial liability... or standard testing protocols for toxicity, effectiveness or longterm effects before public release.
intheflow88
06-02-2015, 08:23 AM
If you are Against SB277 YOU need to be at the HUGE Rally Tuesday June 9 in Sacramento
SB277 will be heard by the Assembly Health Committee next. The earliest it
will come before the committee is Tuesday June 9th. Regardless of whether
or not it is heard then, we will have a HUGE Oppose SB277 rally that
morning, starting at 10am. We are looking for this to be THE time that
everyone comes to Sacramento. We want to show the legislators how many we
really are. Think about all the people you have touched since you were last
in Sacramento - all of them need to be there and more. Can we make it
10,000 or 20,000 or 100,000? Come and bring the masses with you. (Your family, friends, neighbors, associates).
More details to come on speakers, activities, etc. But for now, put a big red circle on June
9th - Sacramento in your calendar and work how you are going to get there.
OPPOSE SENATE BILL 277 TO REMOVE NON-MEDICAL
VACCINE EXEMPTIONS IN CALIFORNIA
California needs to urgently mobilize to oppose SB 277, a bill that would remove all non-medical exemptions to vaccinations. SB 277 affects almost all children.
SB 277 has passed the California Senate in what can only be described as a disgusting game of politics. The bill is now in the Assembly where it has only been referred to the Assembly Health Committee. SB 277 will come up for a vote in the Assembly Health Committee in the next 2 weeks, most likely Tuesday, June 9th. If SB 277 passes out of the Assembly Health Committee, it will go to a vote on the Assembly floor unless we can get the bill referred to other committees – like Education - as this will affect the educational opportunities of tens of thousands of CA children.
ACTION TO TAKE – this must happen TODAY to be considered for next week's hearing on Tuesday: (Please remember to include your full name and address.)
1. Please call, fax and email members of the Assembly Health Committee and ask them to OPPOSE SB 277. Calls and faxes have the most impact. Please also ask the Health Committee to refer the bill to the Assembly Education and Judiciary Committees. (Contact info below).
2. Please call, fax and email your own Assembly member and ask them to OPPOSE SB 277. https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov
3. Sign petition to Governor Brown asking that he oppose SB 277 and other bills that would mandate vaccines in California. https://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/governor-jerry-brown--mandatory-vaccinations
4. COME TO THE RALLY!!! 10AM Tuesday June 9th in Sacramento at the State Capitol. 1315 10th Street, Sacramento. Make plans to attend a huge and peaceful demonstration against SB 277, whether the vote happens that day or not. This is the day to be in Sacramento - we need thousands of folks to come out.
CA Assembly Health Committee Contact Information
Rob Bonta (Chair)(916) 319-2018, fax 916-319-2118, [email protected]
Brian Maienschein (Vice Chair) (916) 319-2077, fax 916-319-2177, [email protected]
Susan A. Bonilla (916) 319-2014, fax 916-319-2114, [email protected]
Autumn R. Burke (916) 319-2062, fax 916-319-2162, [email protected]
Rocky J. Chávez (916) 319-2076, fax 916-319-2176, [email protected]
David Chiu (co-author) (916) 319-2017, fax 916-319-2117, [email protected]
Jimmy Gomez (916) 319-2051, fax 916-319-2151, [email protected]
Lorena S. Gonzalez (co-author) (916) 319-2080, fax 916-319-2180, [email protected]
Roger Hernández (916) 319-2048, fax 916-319-2148, [email protected]
Tom Lackey (916) 319-2036, fax 916-319-2136, [email protected]
Adrin Nazarian (co-author) (916) 319-2046, fax 916-319-2146, [email protected]
Jim Patterson (916) 319-2023, fax 916-319-2123, [email protected]
Sebastian Ridley-Thomas (916) 319-2054, 916-319-2154, [email protected]
Freddie Rodriguez (916) 319-2052, fax 916-319-2152, [email protected]
Miguel Santiago (916) 319-2053, fax 916-319-2153, [email protected]
Marc Steinorth (916) 319-2040, fax 916-319-2140, [email protected]
Tony Thurmond (916) 319-2015, fax 916-319-2115, [email protected]
Marie Waldron (916) 319-2075, fax 916-319-2175, [email protected]
Jim Wood (co-author) (916) 319-2002, fax 916-319-2102, [email protected]
Health Committee consultant, Dharia McGrew, 916-319-2197
Talking Points:
1) You have DEEP concerns about SB277 and are strongly opposed to it.
2) Why this is personal to you: a vaccine reaction in someone you know, harassment, etc.
3) SB 277 would deny unvaccinated or partially unvaccinated children equal access to a public education in California.
4) This is discrimination against all parents who don’t want to vaccinate but who can’t or don’t want to home school.
5) California law requires a public education for all children, so SB 277 violates existing law.
6) SB 277 violates the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act which requires that parents be informed of risks and make a voluntary decision – if parents are being coerced by having a public education removed from them they are not giving voluntary informed consent.
7) Unless legislators intend to enforce a total police state whereby all people are segregated according to vaccine status for church, movie theaters, grocery stores, malls, libraries, museums, sporting events, all public transportation, restaurants, playgrounds, and children’s play-dates, SB 277 discriminates against children.
8) Unless legislators intend to require all adults to be vaccinated against all so-called “vaccine preventable diseases” or to provide proof of immunity thereof, SB 277 discriminates against children.
9) Unless legislators intend to require all visitors to the state of California to be vaccinated against all so-called “vaccine preventable diseases” or to provide proof of immunity thereof, SB 277 discriminates against children.
10) Your body and your children’s bodies do not belong to the state. You want to be free to choose how you nourish and keep yourselves healthy. This bill takes away the right to informed consent to vaccination for our children. You are pro-information and pro-civil rights.
11) The safety of vaccines is not absolute and no medical doctor would sign a statement that vaccine safety is absolute. The US Supreme Court recognizes vaccines to be “unavoidably unsafe” (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf) and to cause injury and death in some recipients. The US government has paid out more than $3 billion to the victims of vaccine injury. Hundreds of thousands have reported an adverse reaction to vaccination. Vaccine package inserts warn of the risk of brain damage, life-threatening allergy, and death and no one knows in advance who will be harmed by a vaccine.
12) Vaccines fail even in fully vaccinated people and no one knows who will not respond to a vaccine nor how quickly the vaccine’s protection will wane if it did provoke a response in the first place.
13) Vaccinated individuals can spread disease for several weeks after receiving a live virus vaccine.
14) Vaccine makers and the healthcare providers who administer them bear zero liability for vaccine injuries and deaths. Vaccine makers have no incentive to make vaccines safe.
15) Most of the vaccines given today are for diseases that are either rare or mild. For example, there have been no deaths from measles during the last 10 years, but 108 deaths reported after the MMR vaccine during the same time period.
16) It is immoral to force a person to inject a pharmaceutical product into their body, or anything for that matter, even more so when that product could injure or kill them.
17) There are many other ways to stay healthy: a healthy diet, adequate rest, sunshine and exercise, etc. without any risk of vaccine injury.
18) If we mandate vaccines, will we also mandate other medical procedures, such as fetal ultrasound, mammograms and colonoscopy? Will we dictate medical procedures based on genetic testing? Will we have a medical police to determine whether someone can leave the house with a cough?
19) Children today receive 69 doses of vaccines for 16 different viral and bacterial illnesses which more than doubles the government childhood schedule of 34 doses of 11 different vaccines in the year 2000. A vaccine exemption is filed regardless of whether it is for one dose or all doses. Thirty-five doses and 5 more unique vaccines have been added to the schedule in the last 15 years. Those supporting forced vaccination are being dishonest by not acknowledging the exploding vaccine schedule while sounding alarms over small increases in overall non-medical exemptions.
20) There are hundreds of new vaccines in development including some of the following in clinical trials: HIV, herpes, E. coli, dengue fever, avian influenza, smallpox, tuberculosis, typhoid, norovirus, cholera, smoking cessation, syphilis, and gonorrhea. If vaccine manufactures and others who profit from forced vaccination convince legislators to take away our right to delay or decline a vaccine now, what will our future look like?
21) In the past 5 years, drug makers have paid the U.S. Government 19.2 billion in criminal and civil FRAUD penalties. Skepticism of the pharmaceutical industry is well deserved.
22) Physicians, in the American Medical Association Code of Ethics, affirm philosophical and religious exemptions for themselves. See Opinion 9.133 Routine Universal Immunization of Physicians. Parents should have that same right.
23) Existing California law (AB 2109 Pan) required consultation with a doctor before receiving a personal exemption has been in effect for only one year. In this time there has been a 20% reduction in parents seeking a personal exemption (opt out rate dropped from 3.15% to 2.5%). If the goal is to increase the number of children vaccinated, then we need do nothing more than let the existing law work. Taking the unjustified and intrusive step of eliminating a parent’s right to exercise informed consent when making medical decisions for their children and potentially harm ANY child for the “greater good” is unwarranted, unconstitutional and un-American.
24) A few people have reported to coordinators in California that they have met with their senators and assembly members or their staff, in person, either in their offices or in the field. After hearing the personal stories, seeing the kids and being told that this bill means there is no way out, they are very surprised. They are also surprised if you tell them that there are many other parents and pediatricians that are afraid of giving their real names, because they are scared they are going to be targeted. They really don’t get the implications of the bill. So please make a trip to their offices this week – if possible, on Thursday or Friday as they are more likely to be there in person. Put it in your calendar so you don’t forget. If you have gone and have a partner, grandparent or someone else that can also go in, please have them do that. Representative info can be found at the bottom of the Against SB277 website: https://www.sb277.org/when-how-becoming-a-law.html
Alex
06-02-2015, 11:16 PM
URGENT ACTION ALERT
OPPOSE SENATE BILL 277 TO REMOVE NON-MEDICAL
VACCINE EXEMPTIONS IN CALIFORNIA
Representative info can be found at the bottom of the Against SB277 website: https://www.sb277.org/when-how-becoming-a-law.html
Those 24 points are a brilliant summation of gigantic ramifications, legal rights issues and inherent hypocrisy of SB277 that alone is plenty of reason to trash this bill even without any just as many safety and manufacturer lack of accountability issues we've addressed in this thread.
But if writing on the wall could be loud, it's screaming at me.
25. If SB277 passes, adults are next.
Funny how the measles 'outbreak' was instantly followed by 110 ready to go, oddly similarly worded vaccination bills all over the United States all being rushed into law that oddly perfectly coincided with the rollout of the national cradle to grave health tracking system known as Obamacare.
Don't forget the whole sales pitch for SB277 is '(human) kids who aren't injected are a threat to the (human) injected'. It makes NO SENSE to force this bill on that premise yet be so conspicuously quiet about the fact that it still leaves children exposed to so many other uninjected (humans).
I'd bet my house that the next propaganda wave is also already waiting in the can and with or without another false flag will be... 'we also can't have uninjected adults threatening the children...'.
This is big.
Shandi
06-03-2015, 05:42 AM
Thank you for pointing out these serious ramifications. I've posted on my FB page, sent to friends, and urge everyone to do the same.
Those 24 points are a brilliant summation of gigantic ramifications, legal rights issues and inherent hypocrisy of SB277 that alone is plenty of reason to trash this bill even without any just as many safety and manufacturer lack of accountability issues we've addressed in this thread.
But if writing on the wall could be loud, it's screaming at me.
25. If SB277 passes, adults are next.
Funny how the measles 'outbreak' was instantly followed by 110 ready to go, oddly similarly worded vaccination bills all over the United States all being rushed into law that oddly perfectly coincided with the rollout of the national cradle to grave health tracking system known as Obamacare.
Don't forget the whole sales pitch for SB277 is '(human) kids who aren't injected are a threat to the (human) injected'. It makes NO SENSE to force this bill on that premise yet be so conspicuously quiet about the fact that it still leaves children exposed to so many other uninjected (humans).
I'd bet my house that the next propaganda wave is also already waiting in the can and with or without another false flag will be... 'we also can't have uninjected adults threatening the children...'.
This is big.
intheflow88
06-08-2015, 01:12 PM
Call for positive energy on SB277
Forwarded - but important regardless of your religion or none..
It's time for us to unite our energies in prayer, meditation, and
visualization for this bill to be defeated. It will be heard in the
Assembly Health Committee on Tuesday, and we can end it right there. This
is possible!
Holding the firm belief that this bill is defeated in this committee
carries power. Let's take this into prayer.
Tonight, please spend some time praying and visualizing NO votes on this
bill - a majority in the Health Committee. There are a lot of members in
this committee - much more than in the Senate. If you have a chance, go to
their websites and picture each of them, especially the chair and co-chair,
voting no on SB277. Imagine them realizing the truth and validity of our
positions, and that our rights as parents override this bill. Remember, only
positive, supportive energies should be in our prayers, visualizations, and
meditations. I recommend you send energy of appreciation, acknowledgement,
and respect for what they do for us. Our representatives work hard!
Do this same thing tomorrow night - here are some suggestions:
- Every night, sometime between 9:30pm-10pm PDT (or if you're in
another state and that's too late, then 9:30-10 your local time), spend at
least 5 minutes (up to the full 30 if you wish) in prayer, meditation,
sending energy, etc. to focus on this bill being defeated and our freedoms
retained
- Any religion or spiritual tradition is fine; chanting, prayer,
meditation, ritual, whatever works for you
- Atheists and agnostics can simply visualize all of us celebrating
our victory on the steps of the capitol, or seeing headlines like "Vaccine
Bill Defeated" or "SB277 goes down in Health Committee", etc. on newspapers,
or focus on a statement such as "we retain our freedoms to choose our
healthcare for our whole family," "we are free and safe to live without
vaccination," "AB2109 stands as it currently is" or whatever positive
statement feels true
- You might light a candle if you wish, write your statement or
affirmation on a card and place it nearby, etc. - whatever you feel will
support this practice
- Keep this positive. No prayers that are harmful, negative, or
attacking. That only brings about bad energy for us (bad karma, as they
say).
- Affirm what you want to happen in a positive way (i.e., better to
picture us in victory than the others defeated; better to think of having
the freedom to choose than to focus on "not" vaccinating, etc.)
- Focus on feeling the energy of what that will be like, when we
have the victory, when this is over and the bill has been tabled or dropped.
To feel that energy means trying to feel the emotions and physical
sensations as if it were actually happening right now. For example, you
might imagine and try to feel the joy, relief, and peace when the bill is
tabled, and how your shoulders relax, your stomach returns to normal,
tension melts out of your body, and you sleep deeply. This helps create
that experience in reality.
- Practice it, trust the process, and trust that it is working,
whether or not you are certain! It does work!
For those of us who cannot attend the hearing in Sacramento on Tuesday:
If you are able at any time during the hearings, starting at 10am when
people are arriving for the rally, at the beginning of the hearing at
1:30pm, and all the way through the hearing until probably 4pm or later
(check online for updates - you can watch the hearing live here
https://www.calchannel.com/live-webcast/ ), pray and meditate on this, as
described above.
Ask your friends and family members to do so as well. Together, whether in
person or at a distance, we can do this!