NO on Mandatory vaccines bill SB277

[Scott McKeown]

Feds Plan to Force Vaccines on Adults
https://www.wnd.com/2015/03/the-feds...PojxP58YiAq.99 - by Lee Hieb, M.D.

Like everything else that’s truly important, it is very simple: If you Americans do not stand against this, it’s over. What liberty do you have if the federal government can force you to have a medical procedure, can force you to surrender your very body to their control? Answer: none.

It would be very disturbing indeed if, as the article headline states, the "Feds plan to force vaccines on adults". Given how SB277 is looking like it could become law in California – requiring kids to be vaccinated before entering schools – it's not all that unreasonable to suspect something even worse for adults on a national level could be in the works. Nevertheless, the article headline is not supported by any facts in the article. It is only speculation by the author. Speculation is totally fine, but it always bothers me to see a fear-inducing headline in the form of factual statement that is not supported by any content in the article, which is why I call them out.

Here is the part of the article where the factual contention in the headline is derived:
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March 9, 2015, was the last day for public comment about a “Draft National Adult Immunization Plan” – a proposal by the orchestrators of Obamacare to forcibly vaccinate all adult Americans. It sounds very benign on the surface – they do not use the word force or coercion. They say in the prologue:

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The NAIP is a five-year national plan. As a national plan, it will require engagement from a wide range of stakeholders to achieve its full vision. The plan emphasizes collaboration and prioritization of efforts that will have the greatest impact. The NAIP also aims to leverage the unique opportunity presented by the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. The NAIP is intended to facilitate coordinated action by federal and nonfederal partners to protect public health and achieve optimal prevention of infectious diseases and their consequences through vaccination of adults.

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Even the author admits there is no language about force or coercion. Enough to be suspicious? Absolutely. But enough to state factually that the Federal Government is actually planning to force vaccinate adults? It's just not there. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, and it surely does happen in some places such as in maybe prisons, but the article headline as a statement of fact is just intellectual dishonesty. And again, it's completely reasonable to be suspicious and to speculate about potential abusive action. In contrast, SB277, at least in its current form, is, in my opinion, a real attempted overreach of coercive Government power, and doesn't require speculation.
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Much of the rest of the article is hyperbolic railing against Obamacare (along with diatribes against "socialist hellholes" and outrage about the banning of certain firearm ammunition and old-style high energy light bulbs -- the horror!). Here is her commercial pitch embedded in the article:
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In my opinion, if Obamacare turns out to be a disaster (which is not the case at the moment, but could be) it's because it did not go far enough in creating a national health care system along the lines of virtually every other advanced county in the world, where health care is less expensive and the health outcomes are better.

Scott

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[Sage33]

When I was six years old, I had the measles. At that time there was no measles vaccine. I came down with encephalitis, inflammation of the brain. This disease is one of the complications of measles. I had convulsions and was in a coma for two weeks. Luckily, I survived. My father did not. He died from an agonizing death from encephalitis. I am very grateful for the measles vaccine. Perhaps your child will not be a victim of measles complications, but your refusal to vaccinate your child has a large effect on other children and adults.
Janet Greene

Feds Plan to Force Vaccines on Adults
https://www.wnd.com/2015/03/the-feds...PojxP58YiAq.99 - by Lee Hieb, M.D.
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[HolisticKids]

I'm sorry to hear you went through, that, Janet. Unfortunately encephalitis is also a known vaccine reaction. Brain inflammation does also happen to children who are vaccinated with MMR vaccine.

It's a common belief that refusal to vaccinate puts others at risk, however this belief needs to be examined. I have never seen any supportive research of this. And my 20 years of experience doesn't support this either. My own child never had any disease that people are vaccinated for. She has very strong natural immunity that kept her healthy and even when she was exposed to kids who had chicken pox and whooping cough (by kids who were fully vaccinated) she did not get these diseases. In no way was she ever a risk to anyone at all. In fact, the vaccinated kids would have been a risk to her if she had not had such a strong immune system.

Jane

When I was six years old, I had the measles...

[HolisticKids]

Here's an open letter to Jerry Brown asking him to support a mother's right to choose. Her story is typical of the research time and agonizing decision process that parents go through regarding vaccine choice.

https://ivn.us/2015/05/25/open-lette...-right-choose/

Most people who choose not to vaccinate are educated, critical thinkers, and they take the steps to keep their children healthy with strong immunity. These aren't the kids spreading diseases. Like the kids in Waldorf schools here in this county - educated, intelligent parents who take the time to provide their kids with what they need to be healthy. These are the "dangerous pockets" that we are all warned about. High numbers of children in Waldorf schools are not vaccinated. Been like this for 20 or 30 years, I imagine. Where are all the diseases and deaths in these communities? Measles? Did measles come sweeping through Sebastopol in this last "epidemic"? Are we all at risk from these healthy children?

Jane

I'm sorry to hear you went through, that, Janet...

[Shandi]

I understand that your experience affects your perception. And this is also true of those who have dealt with serious complications and death from vaccines. For those of us who don't have direct experience to influence our judgements, we have to rely on evidence, and inner guidance.

Life has it's risks, and complications from diseases is one of them. But to insist that we all get mandatory vaccines because our refusal will have a large effect on other children and adults, isn't a convincing argument. Those who believe that vaccines will protect them, without any risks, in spite of evidence to the contrary, will choose to get "protected", and have nothing to "worry" about from the un-vaccinated. I don't live my life judging how my decisions may affect others, unless I know for sure that my decisions have a high degree of possibility to harm myself or others, like running a red light. Mandatory vaccines equals running red lights to me, which makes me vulnerable to toxins, and even more vulnerable by losing my rights to choose if I want to put those toxins in my body.

If you lost a loved one because of vaccines, I suspect you would feel differently. We are all affected by personal tragedies, and whether it's a disease, death/accidents from texting while driving, illness from contaminants in food and water, mold in our home environments, exposure to germs, drug interactions, mental illness, and this must include those who have experienced death and suffering from vaccines. The billions of dollars set aside to compensate those victims is really no consolation. It only verifies some acknowledgement and recognition of risk.

Do you also support fluoride in the water to protect children from tooth decay, and believe that voting against it, will put children at higher risk for tooth decay?

When I was six years old, I had the measles. At that time there was no measles vaccine. I came down with encephalitis, inflammation of the brain. This disease is one of the complications of measles. I had convulsions and was in a coma for two weeks. Luckily, I survived. My father did not. He died from an agonizing death from encephalitis. I am very grateful for the measles vaccine. Perhaps your child will not be a victim of measles complications, but your refusal to vaccinate your child has a large effect on other children and adults.
Janet Greene

[Glia]

Much has changed since you had the measles at age 6. Among those changes are more effective treatments and better understanding of viruses and viral disease.

The "vaccinate for everything" POV seems to be a leftover from the last century, when it really did work miracles for some horrendous diseases, like polio, and there were no effective treatments. Perhaps it is time to change the thinking, too?

When I was six years old, I had the measles...

[sharingwisdom]

FYI While the polio vaccine is often referred to by those who believe in vaccines as the ultimate example of a vaccine that eradicated a terrible disease, the sceince and history of this vaccine tell a vastly different story. https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/th...polio-vaccine/

CDC Admits 98 million Americans Received Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Cancer
https://www.realfarmacy.com/cdc-admits-98-million-americans-received-polio-vaccine-contaminated-with-cancer-virus/

SV 40 is not widespread within the human population almost certainly as a result of the polio vaccine.~John Martin, former FDA virologist

In the 1950’s, SV-40 was one of several dozen viruses that contaminated the original Salk and Sabin polio vaccines administered the children of the US and Europe. ~Journal of the National Cancer Institute

"In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed-virus vaccine testified that the live virus vaccine was “the principal if not the sole” cause of polio in the U.S. since 1961"Washington Post 9/ 24/76

"It is quite clear that the authorities are keeping certain information secret. They do their best to hide their contributing role concerning the production and misuse of DDT behind a polio-virus and a supposed miracle-vaccine."Gerhard Buchwald MD, citing 'Polio: An Illness caused by pesticides?' by Vlado Petek-Dimner

Dr. Sabin, Developer of polio vaccine: Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they are supposed to provide protection.

"The Salk vaccine failed completely (we'll issue a special report on that at a later date). And the Sabin vaccine was a disaster. It caused many cases of polio and showed no relationship to the disease except for an increase in polio during the early '60s, caused by the vaccine itself. And now we have the sensational findings from the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, which strongly indicate that polio did not go away at all, but now manifests itself as chronic fatigue syndrome."--William Douglas MD

Much has changed since you had the measles at age 6. Among those changes are more effective treatments and better understanding of viruses and viral disease.

The "vaccinate for everything" POV seems to be a leftover from the last century, when it really did work miracles for some horrendous diseases, like polio, and there were no effective treatments. Perhaps it is time to change the thinking, too?

[Glia]

All of which underscores the notion that vaccines are by no means "safe and effective" and some sort of magic bullet. The history of the development of the polio vaccine has some horrendous incidents of healthy children being infected by the vaccination, with many being killed or left paralyzed. People being leery of vaccines and vaccination programs goes back to the first vaccine in modern history -- and with good reason.

That said, it is *rare* for an American to be paralyzed by polio in the present day, whereas in the past it was common.

FYI While the polio vaccine is often referred to by those who believe in vaccines as the ultimate example of a vaccine that eradicated a terrible disease, the sceince and history of this vaccine tell a vastly different story. ...

[Shandi]

As usual, you share in depth information that I've never heard of before. Do we have any idea why polio is no longer manifesting in the same way, but now, as "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" rather than Cancer, since the SV 40 was a cancer causing virus? The answer may be within the sites you've listed, but I haven't checked them out yet.

As more is revealed, we are asked to accept or deny these "difficult truths".

FYI While the polio vaccine is often referred to by those who believe in vaccines as the ultimate example of a vaccine that eradicated a terrible disease, the sceince and history of this vaccine tell a vastly different story. https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/th...polio-vaccine/ ...

[arthunter]

would this technology fall under the category of "smart dust"? .... I'm just becoming aware of this ... I'm afraid that this is more scary science ...

Smart Dust Aims to Monitor Everything - CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05....dust.sensors/

How smart dust could be used to monitor human thought - Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/07/19/how-smart-dust-could-be-used-to-monitor-human-thought/?fb_action_ids=10155639416440385&fb_action_types=og.shares

How Smart Dust Spys on your Brain - MIT Technology Review

https://www.technologyreview.com/vie...on-your-brain/

[HolisticKids]

Hi Alec,

You seem sure that nano-chips are already in vaccines. Can you please provide the source(s) for this? How do you know that this technology is being put into vaccines?

Thanks,
Jane

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Anyone whose sum-total understanding of how vaccines actually biologically work that stops at "oh, they provide disease immunity" would be shocked at the surreal level of nano-technology now intertwined. Birthed in the biological warfare industry, nano-materials and nano-microchips 100,000 times smaller than the width of a human hair are not only now essential vaccine components, but are already in 1000's of commercial optical, electronic and biological products.
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[podfish]

since we're getting scared of all kinds of germy things, how 'bout this:

Researchers found that a 30,000-year-old virus trapped in permafrost was viable enough to infect amoeba. Some fear that other pathogens able to infect humans may be lurking in the bits of the world still locked by ice and frost. The worse case would be something like smallpox, for which people have no natural immunity.


Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...tiErutG8I65.99

[sharingwisdom]

It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/Dail...pBarrVirus.htm...

As usual, you share in depth information that I've never heard of before. Do we have any idea why polio is no longer manifesting in the same way, but now, as "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" rather than Cancer, since the SV 40 was a cancer causing virus? The answer may be within the sites you've listed, but I haven't checked them out yet.

As more is revealed, we are asked to accept or deny these "difficult truths".

[Glia]

Does SV indicate a simian (ape) virus rather than a human virus (denoted by H_V, such as HIV or HSV)? If that is the case, it is difficult to believe that an ape virus is causing cancer in humans.

Not to say that it is impossible, or that simian virus cannot cause disease in humans. After all, what is now HIV apparently started out as SIV and jumped from chimpanzees to humans c. 130 years ago. What is the evidence that SV40 has become a carcinogenic virus in humans? What type of cancer does it cause?

It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/Dail...pBarrVirus.htm...

[Shandi]

I took a look at the website: https://www.vaccinationnews.org, and was inspired to post their mission statement here, because it represents the kind of wisdom I respect and appreciate. I thought it might be helpful for other readers to know:

“Vaccination News, A Non-Profit Corporation, is published in order to provide a wide range of news and views on vaccinations and vaccination policy. By providing all sides of the vaccination controversy, it is believed the public/consumer will be best equipped to make reasoned decisions regarding vaccination use, decisions which will have profound implications for them and their family’s health. By providing all sides of the vaccination controversy, it is also believed that readers will recognize both the complexity of the controversy and the dearth of good information available to them.

Among the views provided will be those of the publisher and Editor Sandy Gottstein (aka Mintz) on a variety of vaccination related issues and news, including commentary on breaking news items. Her long-running column can be found HERE

Mission Statement

Vaccination News is not against an informed parent choosing to vaccinate his or her child. Vaccination News is against bad science being used to justify forcing parents to vaccinate. It is against bad science being used to convince a parent to vaccinate. And it is against a parent, any parent, being forced to do something that has even a remote chance of harming their child.

What all parents deserve is good information, untainted by conflict of interest, on the safety of vaccines. They deserve the right to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children. And those that choose to vaccinate, after weighing the known benefits and risks, deserve safer vaccines.

It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/Dail...pBarrVirus.htm...

[podfish]

I took a look at the website: https://www.vaccinationnews.org, and was inspired to post their mission statement here, because it represents the kind of wisdom I respect and appreciate. I thought it might be helpful for other readers to know:


“Vaccination News, A Non-Profit Corporation, is published in order to provide a wide range of news and views on vaccinations and vaccination policy. By providing all sides of the vaccination controversy, it is believed the public/consumer will be best equipped to make reasoned decisions regarding vaccination use

that would be nice if true. This is an advocacy site, pure and simple, cloaking themselves in a veneer of broadmindedness. They imply that they're more comprehensive and honest than conventional news outlets which they see as being captured by the powers that be.

Is there any single article there that gives any support to the idea that vaccines can be helpful?? I didn't see one.

There's plenty of self-criticism involved in a scientific process. It's there if you look for it, though for a variety of reasons, good or bad, it's not always pushed to the forefront. But you do not find blind, unquestioned assumption that vaccines are harmless and universally effective. Sites like this may make it convenient to find critiques of vaccination, but they form an echo chamber that magnifies the doubts. They most certainly are not designed to help anyone weigh different options. If they were, they'd spend more effort at presenting multiple views and even more importantly, at critiquing and comparing various claims. They fall back on the moral equivalent of "some people say...", backing away from taking responsibility for their views, by claiming that it's up to you the reader to weigh the evidence. But the evidence they provide only leads one way.

[Shandi]

I didn't read the entire website, or even much of it. Mainly I was struck by the mission statement, but you're indicating that it's not true, so you may be correct. Do you also believe that conventional news outlets aren't controlled by the powers that be? If so, which ones do you watch and recommend, that aren't?

that would be nice if true. This is an advocacy site, pure and simple, cloaking themselves in a veneer of broadmindedness. They imply that they're more comprehensive and honest than conventional news outlets which they see as being captured by the powers that be....

It does seem that there's a lot of information out there which supports vaccines, so it would be fairly easy to find if we wanted to take responsibility for actually weighing the options. It would be helpful if there was a chart for Pro-Vaccine and Anti-Vaccine, so we could more easily weigh the evidence. It's such a complex issue that a simple chart wouldn't really do it justice.

Can you recommend a resource that supports the idea that vaccines can be helpful? I imagine that there are many that are promoted by the push for Mandatory Vaccines, since this was an unquestioned treatment for so long.

[podfish]

I didn't read the entire website, or even much of it. Mainly I was struck by the mission statement, but you're indicating that it's not true, so you may be correct. Do you also believe that conventional news outlets aren't controlled by the powers that be? If so, which ones do you watch and recommend, that aren't?

It does seem that there's a lot of information out there which supports vaccines, so it would be fairly easy to find if we wanted to take responsibility for actually weighing the options. I....

Can you recommend a resource that supports the idea that vaccines can be helpful?

no, I absolutely don't believe that the conventional news outlets are controlled by the "powers that be" (to quote my own phrasing). They actually are part of the powers that be, I guess, by definition. But the idea that there's a central agenda that is being dictated by big pharma or the CDC or some other cohesive group is the one I object to, and the one that is often implied or even explicitly stated by anti-vaxxers. MSM tends to be more accepting of the status quo and respectful of authority than I like, but it's easy to account for that - and it's somewhat balanced by their tendency to go for controversy. I don't think you can reasonably search for the honest, impartial and truthful sources of news, since actual people are behind all of them - and people aren't built to be honest, impartial and truthful, no matter how hard they try. Sites like the one in question here, that claim to be that, fit right in with MSM sites that also make that claim. Actually, the only MSM source that I know of which makes that claim is Fox News. So you take what bedfellows you find yourself with!

And you're right, there is a lot of supportive information about vaccination available, and a well-informed citizenry should be able to find it. (somehow I'm getting an echo of the second amendment here, a well-regulated militia?? actually, we have neither right now) There are even sites dedicated to how to answer the arguments of anti-vaxxers (some just as un-serious as some of the anti-vax sites), and actual research on whether they're effective in the Journal of Pediatrics.

[podfish]

It still exists as SV 40 in the body and leaves markers. Under the 'right' conditions, it still causes cancer. AND since people often get more than one vaccination, and the viruses mutate, the rubella vaccine has shown up with Epstein Bar virus (mono...herpes virus) which can cause Chronic Fatigue and MS. Epstein Barr is in 90% of the population. https://www.vaccinationnews.org/Dail...pBarrVirus.htm...

while I'm posting on this topic again, I decided to follow the link above. I found this quote in the article, and I call 'bogus' on the whole thing. This is not the kind of quote you get from a real researcher:

"Biomedical researcher Allen D. Allen of Algorithms. Inc. of Northridge.
California, blames EBV syndrome on Merck Sharp and Dohme’s Biavax and
Meruvax vaccines which were introduced in the late 1970’s. Allen says. ‘I
can say all this attention to the (Epstein-Barr) syndrome. the public
awareness. started in the early 1980’s. right after these vaccines came out.
Young adults. the ones most likely to be in contact with young children, are
the primary targets. It’s too much of a coincidence to ignore."

[HolisticKids]

There are no definitive answers either way regarding vaccines. There are many so-called "anti-vax" sites that have a lot of good info, but you will also find bogus info, like with the site in question. And yes, definitely that is not a balanced site, I knew this woman from a long time ago and she is extremely anti-vax. But what is a balanced viewpoint, or a balanced website, when the only true and balanced thing you can say about vaccines is that we just don't know enough yet about how these numerous injections affect the brains and bodies of young children. There is too much still unknown.

There is blatant misinformation coming from both sides. Which is why one should never just take the word of one organization or a few websites. It takes a lot of time to dig deeper into hundreds of studies, how they were conducted, who funded them, etc. And then the only thing you can really glean from all of that is that we need more and better studies.

There are no solid conclusions to be obtained from the science that has been done so far. The statement that is being thrown about all over the place that says, "the science is clear, vaccines don't cause autism" is completely bogus; the science is most certainly NOT clear. When is science ever complete? Science is always evolving; or at least it should be. There is so much unknown about immunology at this point. It is extremely complex and how we think about the immune system today is probably very naive compared to what we'll know in 100 years.

And it's not just about autism, it's about brain inflammation, asthma, allergies, ADHD, diabetes, low IQ, and many other chronic diseases - there already is some science on vaccines and these issues, but not enough to be definitive. But enough to say, wait, hold on - do I want to inject these known toxins into my small baby's fragile, developing body?

When the science is not available, we have to rely on what we see around us. What is true in our experience? The parents who have exempted their children from vaccines have seen them react to vaccines in ways that are not normal and are questioning vaccines and not getting answers. They are not going to get them injected again until they can get clear answers.

But the very sad, tragic thing is that any questioning of vaccines, by doctors and parents, continues to be silenced and those people are made out to be quacks and wackos. And yes, there has been a blatant media blitz designed to silence any questioners. There is no real investigative reporting when it comes to vaccines. And how scary and absolutely stupid to say the science is clear so there will be no further studies. That's it, don't question it, we're done learning about how vaccines can affect the body. No further research will be done - period.

In regards to this:

But the idea that there's a central agenda that is being dictated by big pharma or the CDC or some other cohesive group is the one I object to, and the one that is often implied or even explicitly stated by anti-vaxxers.

It's not a conspiracy, it's the way that business and politics is done in America. Pharmaceutical companies do have a huge control over our government, our medical system, and the outcome of the studies and what's viewed as science. No conspiracy here, it's just the way it's done.

Jane

no, I absolutely don't believe that the conventional news outlets are controlled by the "powers that be" (to quote my own phrasing). They actually are part of the powers that be, I guess, by definition. But the idea that there's a central agenda that is being dictated by big pharma or the CDC or some other cohesive group is the one I object to, and the one that is often implied or even explicitly stated by anti-vaxxers. ...

[podfish]

It's not a conspiracy, it's the way that business and politics is done in America. Pharmaceutical companies do have a huge control over our government, our medical system, and the outcome of the studies and what's viewed as science. No conspiracy here, it's just the way it's done.

Jane

that's a key point. Sorry if it cross-contaminates this thread too (conspiratorial forces show up in lots of contexts on Wacco) - but mistaking "the way it's done" for a deliberate conspiracy makes dealing with public issues far more difficult. The remedy for the first is changing the way it's done. Fighting an entrenched conspiracy requires something else - and it most certainly can't be done by encouraging incremental change.

[arthunter]

I think that the charges of conspiracy come about when information or activists are suppressed by covert means ( look up Cointelpro ) ... this is unfortunately a big problem in our world and I could post link after link of factual proof of these practices having to do with the Occupy movement and many other protests ... this can also take the form of online shills purposely causing arguments and discrediting others who are telling the truth ... this makes change very difficult ...

that's a key point. Sorry if it cross-contaminates this thread too (conspiratorial forces show up in lots of contexts on Wacco) - but mistaking "the way it's done" for a deliberate conspiracy makes dealing with public issues far more difficult. The remedy for the first is changing the way it's done. Fighting an entrenched conspiracy requires something else - and it most certainly can't be done by encouraging incremental change.

[HolisticKids]

Please take a stand against SB277 - It's a dangerous bill and it's not going to solve anything!!

No matter what you believe about vaccines, this bill is not going to do what it is intended to do. It is not going to protect public health. This bill will be a disaster for California, and needs to be opposed for these reasons:

This law will not compel educated, concerned parents to vaccinate. Most parents of children who have vaccine exemptions believe vaccines to be harmful to their children. Even under threat of their children being denied an education, they will not sacrifice their children's health and well-being.

These children will either move out of the state or be homeschooled. This means that those schools will lose funding. Schools are funded according to how many kids in attendance. There are currently 225,000 students in CA who are exempted from vaccines. This is huge financial impact.

The fully vaccinated kids who will be left in the schools will continue to get sick with whooping cough, colds, flu, and other viruses that are unsafe for immunocompromised children. Kids who are fully vaccinated may also be immunocompromised from too many doses of vaccines, making them more susceptible to contagious diseases.

No vaccine provides 100% immunity against a disease. Efficacy rates vary from around 24% (flu vaccine) to 95%, most being between 80% and 95% - and these rates are questionable. The numbers of adults who are not vaccine-immune and the number of vaccinated kids who did not become immune from the vaccine far outweigh the numbers of unvaccinated kids. These diseases will continue to be spread as usual, even if this bill is passed.

Just because a child is unvaccinated does not mean they are any more likely to get sick. In fact most unvaccinated children are healthy since their parents also take steps to increase natural immunity. There is no evidence that unvaccinated children put anyone at risk.

Additonal Points

• SB 277 is not necessary: AB 2109, which has only been in effect for a year, is working. It has lowered personal belief exemption rates by 20%, so don’t believe Pan when he says that vaccination rates are going down. That’s an outright lie; they’re going up.
• Vaccination Rates are at an all time high: The California Department of Public Health announced that our 2014 vaccination rates are at an all time high of 92%, the same rate of vaccination Senator Pan says we need to achieve herd immunity.
• There is no emergency. In fact, the measles “outbreak” was considered over as of April 17, 2015.
• Draconian law that’s all or nothing! SB277 will no longer allow you to vaccinate on a schedule of your choice. The state will now control the schedule for your child, not you.
• Those Who Don’t Vax For All Aren’t All Anti-Vax: A large percentage of families filing for personal belief exemptions (PBEs) still vaccinate for most vaccines. Therefore PBE rates do not reflect a completely unvaccinated group of kids. Personal belief exemptions must be filed even if parents choose to decline a Hepatitis B vaccine, which is for a disease transmitted by sexual contact or intravenous drug use.

Health

• Immune-compromised individuals will NOT be protected. Mandating vaccination to prevent 'vaccine preventable diseases' will not protect immuno-compromised individuals from getting sick, simply because there are too many viruses that we do not have vaccines to protect against.
• Whooping Cough: A Disease of the Vaccinated. Pertussis or whooping cough, has become a disease of the vaccinated. In 2014 only 11.5% of people with pertussis were unvaccinated. An immunocompromised child is more likely to be exposed to pertussis from a vaccinated classmate than an unvaccinated one.
• Medicine is not one-size-fits-all. Let doctors do their job. Let’s keep the government out of the patient doctor relationship.
• SB 277 tramples informed consent. In opinion 8.08, the American Medical Association holds up informed consent as an essential element to good medicine.
• Vaccines manufacturers are free of liability. Vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued should their product cause debilitating injury or death. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (NCVIA) shields pharmaceutical companies from liability.
• A bill the benefits big business only. Vaccine manufacturers can’t force medical mandates and have immunity from wrongdoing. Merck: You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
• Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. In 2011, the US Supreme Court ruled that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe.” To date, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation program has paid out $2.9 billion to petitioners and more than $123.9 million to cover legal fees. If there is a risk, there must be a choice.
• Administration of vaccine is a medical procedure, and it’s unethical to force a medical procedure on anyone by denying them the right to equal education opportunities if they are not fully vaccinated. Don’t put the government between patients and their doctors.
• Vaccinated people both get and spread diseases, too. Vaccinated children risk spreading the disease for which they were vaccinated for a period of time after vaccination. This is called vaccine shedding. Children who are recently vaccinated pose a greater risk to immunocompromised children than partially vaccinated or unvaccinated kids who aren’t currently sick.
• Some children will die as a result of this mandate. According to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), there have been 109 deaths from the MMR vaccine in the past decade. It’s completely unethical to sacrifice any child for the greater good.
• Where is your PhD, Mr. Government? The government does not have a license to practice medicine and should not be allowed to force medical procedures on its citizens. This is not the place of government.
• Most adults aren’t up-to-date on vaccinations- yet this has not led to widespread outbreaks in adults? A majority of residents in California and across the nation are “baby boomer” adults who were last vaccinated as children and their vaccine protection wore off decades ago.

Science

• Static science is anti-science. There is nothing more anti-scientific than the very idea that science is settled, static, and impervious to challenge.

School & Education

• Removes education as a right, (as explained by the California Constitution, Article 9, Section 5).
• Promotes discrimination. SB 277 will sanction segregation by writing inequality into the law, expelling partially vaccinated and unvaccinated kids from school.
• Favors the wealthy and healthy. Only those wealthy enough to home school will be able to enjoy medical freedom, and kids with special needs won't be able to receive services they need to thrive at home.
• Separate is not equal. Segregates a community and forcing them to unequal education, which the court in Brown v. Board of Education (1954, 1955) ruled that separate is not equal.
• Education is a fundamental right in California: SB277 will violate this right to education guaranteed under California constitution. California Supreme Court affirmed that California school children have a constitutional right to “substantially equal opportunities for learning”.
• Discriminates against disabled students. SB 277 removes federally mandated rights of services to students with disabilities, (as indicated in the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA), a federal law enacted under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which ensures services to students with disabilities. IDEA also ensures a free and appropriate public education for these kids, or FAPE).
• Education is a right, not a privilege. Every child regardless of their medical status must have access to a free public education in California. If kids with HIV, Hep B, unvaccinated immune compromised kids and kids with unknown vaccination status (because of being homeless or being an immigrant) are allowed to attend schools so should kids with PBE's!
• The only choice is: forced injections or forced expulsion! If parents don’t comply with this mandate, they’ll have no choice but to homeschool, even though they may not have the financial wherewithal, the time, or the education.
• Limiting education for kids is sanctioned segregation. Severely limiting educational opportunities for kids is not only regressive, it is a mandate, sanctioned segregation, and illegal.

Rights

• SB 277 Supports A Police State: On April 28th, 2015, Senator Wieckoski goes on record indicating SB 277 can be enforced by police power. Then he further states that no human being can deny a vaccine if it's forced by our government and that parental rights are NOT concrete. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7NdoHGc9NSE&feature=youtu.be
• The greatest good is served when every person counts. Doing things for the “greater good” removes rights of all for the sake of some. The “greater good” discriminates and prohibits rights for all.
• Contradicting information. Vaccines are sold as “safe and effective; everyone should get them; one size fits all.” On the other hand, vaccine manufacturers have blanket liability protection because the government deems them, "unavoidably unsafe". That is a fundamental contradiction.
• Socialist mandates strip our freedoms. Giving the government the right to dictate what we put in our bodies is just the same as the government deciding what religion we practice, what we eat, how we vote.
• A sad history repeating itself. Fear and misinformation leads to segregation and discrimination, as seen our American history with the Civil Rights movement, CA Japanese Internment camps in WWII, McCarthyism, Patriot Act, etc. This is history repeating itself.
• If we are to remain a free society we must have the right to choose. The right to choose what goes into your body is supported in both the United States and Californian Constitutions.
• Violates medical ethics, (as written in Opinion 8.08 of the American Medical Association).
• Removes freedom of religion, (as declared by the California Constitution Declaration of Rights, Article 1, Section 4).
• Incriminates, not protects. Violates the "equal protection clause" of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
• Removes parental rights, as stated in California's constitution Declaration of Rights, Article 1, Section 3.

Taxes, Financing, and Business

• Taxpayers are paying for vaccine injuries settlements, not Merck! The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) paid out $3.1 billion dollars to people who suffered vaccine injuries. Our own government has confirmed the risk of injury. Why are we as taxpayers paying footing the bill for pharmaceutiucal companies?
• More taxes and more welfare? One cannot work a minimum wage job AND homeschool. If parents have to quit their job to homeschool their children, then who is footing the bill for these families to live? Welfare? More taxes?
• Checks and Balances aren’t Balanced. Merck has a monopoly on the MMR vaccine, yet has immunity from liability. Now they want to mandate their product to all children. Where are the checks and balances in that system?
• Thousands of Parents Will Lose Their Jobs. If parents have to juggle home-schooling hours with their jobs, thousands of parents will lose their jobs. The economic impact will be detrimental to California.
• California School System WIll Lose Millions. There are roughly 225,000 students who will no longer be allowed to attend public school. Each school district will lose their funding of $5,000 per child, which equates to $1,125,000,000 is losses for the California school system.
• Schools in rural counties will close. Several rural counties already fight to keep their schools open with smaller class sizes. How will these schools continue to stay open if the funding for hundreds of kids is cut? How will other families be able to educate their children if they have to drive hours to get their children to another school?
• Financial Impact of Vaccine Injury Is Monumental. VAERS reporting system collects 30,000 reports of vaccine injuries per year. The financial impact of just one confirmed case to a family and state is huge, including state supported health and education programs. The financial impact to a family comes with an even greater price.
• Force vaccination doesn’t incentivize safe vaccines. Pharmaceutical industry has become the biggest defrauder under the Federal False Claims Act and has returned $19.2 billion from attempts to defraud federal health programs. If you force vaccination without a choice then pharmaceutical companies have no further incentive to manufacture safe vaccines. No one should ever be required, absolutely, to take a product from an industry that engages in large-scale criminal behavior.
• Big Pharma Has Paid For the Democrats’ Votes. Democrats are not voting for the greater good in mind; they are voting based on their campaign contributions. Just look for yourself at Senator Pan’s and Senator Mitchell’s campaign donors alone: https://www.followthemoney.org/

Religion

• Use of aborted fetal cells is anti-religion. More than 23 vaccines contain cells, cellular debris, protein, and DNA from aborted babies in their development. Vaccines are a product numerous religions forbid.
• SB 277 violates the right to religious freedom. SB 277 would require citizens to inject their children with whatever vaccine is mandated now and in the future, regardless of ingredients and regardless of religious contradiction. a medication which is a product of something their religion forbids.
• First amendment rights will be removed. In California, religious belief exemption is combined with the right for personal belief exemption. Taking away personal belief will violate the American right and California’s Constitutional tenet of religious freedom.

[HolisticKids]

Here's what you can do NOW to oppose SB277:

ACTION PLAN for Thursday, May 28 2015
****From the OKOC Strategic Team****
SB277 *MIGHT* BE REFERRED ONLY TO HEALTH COMMITTEE
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Today we found out that SB277, *Might* be referred only to Health Committee as per the Agenda of Rules Committee for May 28, 2015.

PLEASE contact the members of the Health Committee TODAY!!
https://ahea.assembly.ca.gov/

• WRITE: Use our talking pointshttps://www.facebook.com/groups/OurK...0081058016695/
and our letter to formulate your own personalized letter.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OurKidsOurChoice.OpposeSB277/1020081244683343/

• CALL to let them know your stance

**If you can make an appointment to see them face to face, that is the best way to communicate. Please try to meet with your
Assembly member ASAP!

Assembly Contact Information:
https://c.ymcdn.com/…/imported/AssemblyContactInformation.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OurKidsOurChoice.OpposeSB277/1020081244683343/

Here are other organizations that you can join:

https://avoiceforchoice.org/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OurK...e.OpposeSB277/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/HealthFreedomAction/

Thanks so much for helping to stop this horrendous bill!

Jane

[Shandi]

I agree that changing "the way it's done" would make a huge difference. Any ideas on how that might be accomplished? Who actually decides "how it's done"? Or also on how to fight an entrenched conspiracy?

I don't watch the news, but I do watch Jon Stewart and Rachal Maddow, and I think it's interesting when they do show clips of news reporters using the same exact words, it's as if it's a script that's been given to them.

I don't recall if you indicated that you watch the news or not. You did mention Fox News, but I wasn't sure if that meant you watch it or not.

I understand that people would have difficulty being objective, especially in situations where they have strong opinions, either based on experience, or judgement without actual experience. Even scientific proof can be skewed by who's doing it.

So, when I make decisions on important matters, I look to my own experience or those I know about, then I tune in to my intuitive awareness.

If I read that billions of dollars have been paid out to compensate for vaccine injuries, or I hear about auto, or human/pet food recalls, or medical devices which have caused more problems than they've solved, I take notice.

The man who recently moved in next door to me, was severely disabled from the polio vaccine. He's living on a trust, which I'm not sure is from vaccine compensation or not. He's the only one I've met who shared this with me. There may be others I know who haven't mentioned it.

But aside from all of this, I believe the real issue is "choice" about what we put in our bodies. How do you feel about forced fluoride in your water supply? Or that it's a crime to grow your own vegetable garden? Freedom of choice is at the heart of so many important issues, in addition to hiding the truth.

I just received a notice that the FDA will no longer allow pet food manufacturers to identify human grade food ingredients. So, consumers will continue to be misled by lies on labels that may indicate healthy, wholesome ingredients, when they are far from that. Pets will continue the sickness and death from foods given by guardians who are taken in by false, and allowable advertising. Pet vaccines also cause injuries, and my cat's not getting anymore if I can help it.

No one's really watching out for us, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to look out for ourselves. And laws are being made to mandate against it.

that's a key point. Sorry if it cross-contaminates this thread too (conspiratorial forces show up in lots of contexts on Wacco) - but mistaking "the way it's done" for a deliberate conspiracy makes dealing with public issues far more difficult. The remedy for the first is changing the way it's done. Fighting an entrenched conspiracy requires something else - and it most certainly can't be done by encouraging incremental change.

[sharingwisdom]

It doesn't seem that SV 40 is 130 years old. This article will give you more information.

Simian Virus 40: A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
By Michael E. Horwin, M. A, JD [This article was originally published in eht Albany Law Journeal of Science and Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003
https://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html

Does SV indicate a simian (ape) virus rather than a human virus (denoted by H_V, such as HIV or HSV)? If that is the case, it is difficult to believe that an ape virus is causing cancer in humans.

Not to say that it is impossible, or that simian virus cannot cause disease in humans. After all, what is now HIV apparently started out as SIV and jumped from chimpanzees to humans c. 130 years ago. What is the evidence that SV40 has become a carcinogenic virus in humans? What type of cancer does it cause?

[sharingwisdom]

Your opinion.

...I call 'bogus' on the whole thing. This is not the kind of quote you get from a real researcher...

[Glia]

nobody said that SV40 is 130 years old. It is probably several thousand to several million years old, depending on which simian(s) it lives in.

It doesn't seem that SV 40 is 130 years old. This article will give you more information.
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[HolisticKids]

Hi All,

A nationwide effort is underway to have MDs and DOs in CA and across the country send in a signed letter on official letterhead to the fax # below. Here is a letter they can simply cut and paste to create their own, then sign. Many have already signed and sent one in in the last 24 hrs. They will be hand-delivered by an advocate mom. I hope you will encourage any and all of your doctors to submit a letter to help stop SB277.

Thank you in advance,
Laura :)


Dear California Elected Officials,

We write as a coalition of Medical Doctors who believe in Medical Freedom -- which is why we are joining to oppose SB 277 & SB792. We operate under the American Medical Association Code of ethics that states: “the patient should make his or her own determination about treatment... Informed consent is a basic policy in both ethics and law that physicians must honor..." The mandatory vaccine interventions being proposed in this legislation go against our code of ethics as medical professionals.

Furthermore, we are not in a current state of epidemic. The Disneyland Measles outbreak affected only 24 out of the 6.7 million school-aged children in California. This equates to just 18% of the total 134 cases of measles. The outbreak was not centered in schools and there was not a single documented transmission of the disease in a school setting. The majority of cases occurred near the epicenter and where measles spread to communities removed from the epicenter it was well contained with a small handful of cases per county. On April 17, 2015 the measles outbreak was declared over and did not result in any deaths. Does mandating 10 vaccines in response to this outbreak seem justified?

Vaccination does not come without risk. Every year, almost 4000 severe reactions are reported to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS), which result in prolonged hospitalization, permanent disability, or death. Since VAERS is a passive reporting system, many reactions aren’t even reported. The true number of adverse reactions may be even higher. Over $3 billion have been paid out to victims of vaccine reactions. Knowing this, how can we take away a parent’s right to choose in the absence of any real public health crisis?

“First, do no harm.” It is our responsibility to protect the interest of our patients, first and foremost. The ethical principle of informed consent to medical risk taking must be respected, especially when the procedure has been legally classified as "unavoidably unsafe." We should not take a "one size fits all" approach when we know some individuals are at greater biological risk than others for suffering vaccine reactions. Ultimately, medical decisions for children should be made between a parent and doctor.

This country was founded in the spirit of freedom. Let’s not let fear motivate us to begin chipping away at our most basic freedom to choose what medical procedures are best for ourselves and our children. Please protect a parent’s right to choose, and oppose SB277 & SB792.

Sincerely,
Doctor's printed name and signature

Now, here is the info re. where to send it:
Fax letter to (510) 439-2626 and it will be hand-delivered asap.

[Hotspring 44]

RE:

It doesn't seem that SV 40 is 130 years old. This article will give you more information.

Simian Virus 40: A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus from FDA-Approved Vaccines
By Michael E. Horwin, M. A, JD [This article was originally published in eht Albany Law Journeal of Science and Technology, Volume 13, Number 3, 2003
https://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html

I don't know if anyone has already posted the below links (too many posts for me to read through) so no disrespect to anyone's post that may have already mentioned any of them.

The politicians who make the ultimate decision should at least be aware of the why for reasons that the choice to vaccinate or not is a valid one and that the vaccines which are available (possibly mandated) must be screened with the utmost competence to be 100% free of such contaminants as is described in the presentations and book that the links go to and are,in large part are about (HIV!!! etc.).

There are far better lab techniques now then there were in 1950's and 1980's, so as far as the “monkey virus” and such viral contaminants are concerned, if the production and screening of ALL the batches of vaccines is done with the utmost high level of competence, there should no longer be a concern but there are for sure other legitimate concerns on both sides of the 'argument'; however, I am at this point in time on the side of choice.
Guns and Butter – August 6, 2014

“Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part One” with Edward T. Haslam (Fundraiser) Repeat of last week’s fundraiser due to technical problems. The full one-hour interview will be re-broadcast, as well as Part Two of Dr. Mary’s Monkey. Thank you for your support of KPFA. Email me at: [email protected]
Guns and Butter – August 27, 2014

“Dr. Mary’s Monkey, Part Two” with Edward T. Haslam
More about the book: “Dr. Mary’s Monkey”, the so-called Lee Harvey Oswald connection and such:
https://doctormarysmonkey.com/index.htm