Sebastopolians or Sebastopuddlians or ???

[Helen Shane]

Okay, that's it. No F'in way will I accept the F word for San Francisco, where I was born and raised. Your use of it raises grave doubts on your judgment and intellect and sense of decorum, so I now consider your posts on the subject of Sebastopudlians invalid and not even worthy of consideration. Never mind winking. It won't wash and does nothing to soften your words or their intent.

I have better things to do than joust with fools, whom I do not suffer gladly. I am donning my huff and leaving...until further notice. (my that felt good...I've been waiting for a chance to use this graphic).

I say it different ways at different times, depending on my mood. I've always liked the 'pool' sound the best... and I just have to laugh when I use it and get the odd looks
...and yes, I admit to using 'Frisco' on occasion, just for fun

Tom

[tomcat]

Frisco, Frisco, Frisco !
There! That felt good !

Okay, that's it. No F'in way will I accept the F word for San Francisco, where I was born and raised. Your use of it raises grave doubts on your judgment and intellect and sense of decorum, so I now consider your posts on the subject of Sebastopudlians invalid and not even worthy of consideration. Never mind winking. It won't wash and does nothing to soften your words or their intent.

I have better things to do than joust with fools, whom I do not suffer gladly. I am donning my huff and leaving...until further notice. (my that felt good...I've been waiting for a chance to use this graphic).

[handy]

I tend to agree with Shepherd, although I had kind of assumed from experience that the distinction was seasonal...

(Summertime = Sebastopol

Wintertime = Sebastopuddle)

[Dustyg]

THe name "Sebastopol" translated from Greek origin means 'place of respect'.....

Please lets stand up for Redwood Empire rather than Wine Country. Grapes, and wine, come and go. Redwoods are here forever.

[rossmen]

What would that be?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade‎

The Charge of the Light Brigade

Half a league, half a league,
  Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death,
  Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
  Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
  Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
  All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
  Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
  Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
  All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
  Noble six hundred!

[gardenmaniac]

having lived there for decades, I've always thought of it as San Francity ... tho I seem to recall Herb Caen, king of three dots, referring to SamPan City ...

Frisco, Frisco, Frisco !
There! That felt good !

[Valley Oak]

Sebastopolites

[gardenmaniac]

Sebastopolites

Thank you, Edward!

[Conly]

how about just plain "Wacco's"!!!

from a Bizzerkelian
who thinks some ones are taking themselves Toooo seriously!

The problem with labels is it takes a lot of work to scrub the last one off...

[Barry]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade‎

The Charge of the Light Brigade

Huh! I hadn't known that the poem came out of that war.

What's the analogy of the Light Brigade in our fair city?

[David MySky]

The local constables could be Sebastapopos.

How about "Sebastards"? Better to be illegitimate than a pud/putz?

[David MySky]

The only people I've ever heard use 'Frisco' were either tight ass republicans or total rubes.

Okay, that's it. No F'in way will I accept the F word for San Francisco, where I was born and raised. Your use of it raises grave doubts on your judgment and intellect and sense of decorum, so I now consider your posts on the subject of Sebastopudlians invalid and not even worthy of consideration. Never mind winking. It won't wash and does nothing to soften your words or their intent.

I have better things to do than joust with fools, whom I do not suffer gladly. I am donning my huff and leaving...until further notice. (my that felt good...I've been waiting for a chance to use this graphic).

[Shepherd]

I must say that I appreciate the humor, play, and fun that has risen in response to this discussion. We need to get beyond labeling mere differences as meaning that the other person is wrong, mean, or divisive. I love the English language--though I prefer the more romantic Spanish--and it is fun to play with it, rather than merely accept where things started. After all, we are in the 21st century.

The local constables could be Sebastapopos.

[Shepherd]

I think San Francisco is the most interesting city in the United States. I also think that St. Francis of Assisi, that lover of animals, was the most interesting Catholic in history. Let's not forget that San Francisco was named after him.

having lived there for decades, I've always thought of it as San Francity ... tho I seem to recall Herb Caen, king of three dots, referring to SamPan City ...

[Helen Shane]

You got that right! I do recall a now-deceased local labor leader in SF, otherwise known as "The City", pronounced it Sarancisco, but that was only because he had to speak around his cigar. Other than that, anyone with any class, intelligence or street cred called it San Francisco. No need for a nickname, or to shortalize, as one does with L.A.
So that's it, then, right?

It's San Francisco, and it's Sebastopudlians.

Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Chanukah as well, the latter aka Hanaka.

The only people I've ever heard use 'Frisco' were either tight ass republicans or total rubes.

[tomcat]

That seems rather harsh. I hope we are all still just joking around here...
Anyone who says Frisco is disrespectful for the city is just trying to be condescending to the person that used the word.

The City was originally called Yerba Buena, Yerba Buena was renamed San Francisco on January 30 of 1847. San Francisco is known by many names now and who knows what it could be changed to in the future. Rappers call it Sco.

Many folks who didn't have such 'nasty labels' thrown at them have used Frisco, such as the "Frisco Bay Sports Club" and "Frisco bay volleyball". Otis Redding sings about heading for the Frisco Bay in his song "Dock Of The Bay". There is even a movie called Hell on Frisco Bay, a 1955 American crime film. Then there is the Sister Sledge song, "He's the Greatest Dancer" where Frisco is used.

Frisco is The proper term to use for "San Francisco" when you want to annoy uptight "Friscans".

As for Sebasto... Fill it in with whatever you feel is right for the moment, or be uptight. Your choice.

I rest my case.
Have a great anksgiving. (oh no! Is that a typo, or is he now dissin Thanksgiving?)

Tom

The only people I've ever heard use 'Frisco' were either tight ass republicans or total rubes.

[Helen Shane]

Now, Tom, while we are just joking as to the seriousness of the crime, "we", and that is of course the royal "we" are not amused. It does seem disrespectful, and song singers and movie makers notwithstanding, native San Franciscans such as myself do not appreciate the F word. Fyi, Herb Caen, I will remind you, was a native Sacramentan, or Sacramentonian, or Sacramolian who dubbed his own native city Sacamenna; he called San Fransisco "Baghdad by the Bay", but never called it the F word.

I stand firm. Happy Thanksgiving and Happy Chanukah as well and to all a good night.

That seems rather harsh. I hope we are all still just joking around here...
Anyone who says Frisco is disrespectful for the city is just trying to be condescending to the person that used the word.

[forveterans49]

I agree with your idea of a name. My niece's two kids are part Pomo. Lovely painting.

I'd like to see our lovely town revert to the name it had when it was a peaceful Pomo Village: Batikletcawi.

Batikletcawi means where elderberries grow, far more auspicious than a moniker adopted after a bar fight during the Crimean war.

We pride ourselves on moving toward sustainability, so why not restore the name used by people who were truly and profoundly sustainable here for thousands of years?

[gardenmaniac]

This was posted on another BB I used to follow:

"Almost EVERYONE in Bayview, Tenderloin, and Fillmore call it "Frisco". So maybe it's the clueless, borderline racist yuppie (probably trying to pretend he's local by not calling it Frisco, despite the irony that mostly locals call it Frisco) that avoids calling it by that name?"

Any term can be used with pejorative overtones, and these change with time and punctuation. So let me wish a "happy Thursday to all turkeys" ... and "happy Thursday to all, turkeys"

That seems rather harsh. I hope we are all still just joking around here...
Anyone who says Frisco is disrespectful for the city is just trying to be condescending to the person that used the word...

[gardenmaniac]

"I'd like to see our lovely town revert to the name it had when it was a peaceful Pomo Village: Batikletcawi."

so would that make us batik-ers? batikis?

I agree with your idea of a name. My niece's two kids are part Pomo. Lovely painting.

[tommy]

Language is many nuanced. Not to offend anyone God forbid, my experience is that locals who pronounced it Sepastopool were either from England or said it with that air of English superiority.

how about just plain "Wacco's"!!!

from a Bizzerkelian
who thinks some ones are taking themselves Toooo seriously!

The problem with labels is it takes a lot of work to scrub the last one off...

[Beverly Schenck]

This was posted on another BB I used to follow:

"Almost EVERYONE in Bayview, Tenderloin, and Fillmore call it "Frisco". So maybe it's the clueless, borderline racist yuppie (probably trying to pretend he's local by not calling it Frisco, despite the irony that mostly locals call it Frisco) that avoids calling it by that name?"

Any term can be used with pejorative overtones, and these change with time and punctuation. So let me wish a "happy Thursday to all turkeys" ... and "happy Thursday to all, turkeys"

No one that is a true SAN FRANCISCAN or for that matter a true Northern Californian would ever use the term frisco that is pure heresy. Our family has lived in San Francisco for more one hundred and twenty years no member ever called it that ugly slang. You don't know what your talking about.

[kpage9]

honest--"pool" is how it was said by everyone half a century ago.

Language is many nuanced. Not to offend anyone God forbid, my experience is that locals who pronounced it Sepastopool were either from England or said it with that air of English superiority.

[Maureen]

Frisco…Sebastopolian

Thanks garden maniac, I was thrown by the statements that locals never call it Frisco. Parts of my family have lived in "the city" from the 1890's, and we always called it "Frisco" or "the city". We were from the Fillmore, Potrero, Mission, and Tenderloin areas. Hmmm. Maybe it is partly a "class" thing. Having first lived in Sebastopol in 1973, I have mostly referred to myself as a "Sebastopolian".

[gardenmaniac]

no need to shoot the messenger, I was sharing something I read elsewhere, not my personal opinion ... as a 40 year, albeit first-generation resident, I'm inclined to simply call it The City, capital T, capital C, which I most likely picked up reading Herb Caen.

No one that is a true SAN FRANCISCAN or for that matter a true Northern Californian would ever use the term frisco that is pure heresy. Our family has lived in San Francisco for more one hundred and twenty years no member ever called it that ugly slang. You don't know what your talking about.

[Dixon]

No one that is a true SAN FRANCISCAN or for that matter a true Northern Californian would ever use the term frisco that is pure heresy. Our family has lived in San Francisco for more one hundred and twenty years no member ever called it that ugly slang. You don't know what your talking about.

So, on the basis of what your family and their friends call San Francisco, you're willing to make absolutistic generalizations about what every San Franciscan calls that city? Or are you saying that anyone who calls it Frisco isn't a "true" San Franciscan? (If the latter, see the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.) And apparently you think that those who've reported on this thread their experience of "Frisco" being used commonly in some regions of the city are terribly misguided or...what? Lying? Stupid? Crazy?
I hope you're joking, Beverly, because I'd hate to think you're that much of a dipstick.

[jimcorbett22]

My favorite name for the town is "So-pass-the bowl"

[podfish]

No one that is a true SAN FRANCISCAN or for that matter a true Northern Californian would ever use the term frisco that is pure heresy.

Urban legend.. promoted by Herb Caen

it's pretty hard to support claims about how people talked fifty or more years ago; memories aren't typically that reliable!!
written words last, though.

(Richard) Everett did research. He found that when San Francisco really was a port, every salty dog called it Frisco. It was an affectionate nickname. Jack London wrote about the "Frisco Kid," Woody Guthrie called it Frisco in his 1941 "Ballad of Harry Bridges.""I am of Frisco ... the foghorns, the ocean, the hills, the sand dunes, the melancholy of the place. I love this city," William Saroyan wrote once.
His play, "The Time of Your Life," was set in a waterfront saloon. And it won a Pulitzer.
However, Everett said, the real San Franciscans, the ones that counted, looked down on the waterfront and its denizens. "It was a place to avoid," he said. "Full of low-brow, Barbary Coast types."

that was from the Chron...

and other people have been writing about it too..

and I found this claim: 'As can be verified by many 1890s San Francisco newspapers in the microfilm file of the San Francisco Main Library, use of the term FRISCO was once an accepted daily custom by advertisers. '
but also this:
'In 1905 the legislature of California appealed to President Theodore Roosevelt and the United States Post Office Department to discourage the practice of designating the Golden Gate city “Frisco” in addressing mail. The nickname has been vigorously condemned as an abomination by press and radio and by various civic organizations in San Francisco. This campaign against the word attracted so much attention at one time that the St. Louis and San Francisco Railway, commonly known and widely advertised as the “Frisco Line,”- was obliged by public opinion to omit that term from its advertising and office window display in San Francisco. '

[rossmen]

tennyson wrote the poem a month after the battle and it was an instant hit (for the time, it took a few weeks to be printed in papers around the world). perhaps this poem is what inspired the local wags watching a fight in 1854. it is the one thing that has retained public memory from the Crimean war, besides the name of this town. there was probably more reporting about the siege of sevastopol, since it went on for a year. the siege as the inspiration for naming this town supports the version of the fight where one party holed up in the drygoods store. what fascinates me is how one persons comment renamed a sleepy crossroads. must have been a lot of drinking and storytelling going on!

Huh! I hadn't known that the poem came out of that war.

What's the analogy of the Light Brigade in our fair city?

[Sereniti]

Gee this thread has been as entertaining as NetFlix (before it crashed)

Speaking of L.A......... Why do so many blondes live in L.A.?



It is easier to SPELL!

Y.... Other than that, anyone with any class, intelligence or street cred called it San Francisco. No need for a nickname, or to shortalize, as one does with L.A.....