Watch the election returns and join the party on Election Night with fellow Barack supporters at the Flamingo Hotel in Santa Rosa. Let's hope Obama's night is a very short night.
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Watch the election returns and join the party on Election Night with fellow Barack supporters at the Flamingo Hotel in Santa Rosa. Let's hope Obama's night is a very short night.
Kathleen Shaffer
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Lets Party and drink the cool-aid with OBAMA'S good friends,TONY REZKO, BILL AYERS, REV WRIGHT, and The group that made it possible, Acorn!!! There is one request that no american flag be shown and please no singing of the National Anthem. You make bring your prayer rugs.
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Certainly sounds like somebody drank somebody's cool-aid.Lets Party and drink the cool-aid with OBAMA'S good friends,TONY REZKO, BILL AYERS, REV WRIGHT, and The group that made it possible, Acorn!!! There is one request that no american flag be shown and please no singing of the National Anthem. You make bring your prayer rugs.
Must be a trip.
-Jeff
Lady bug,
It seems like you are claiming that people who feels Obama is the better choice for president arent patriots.
Yet - it seems to me this great nation is build on having more than one choice, and the acceptance of different opinions. Isnt that the freedoms we fight for and hold dear?
Yet - when someone dares to disagree with you, you insinuate they are not good patriots.
Where is the freedom in that?
Who drank the cool-aid here?
Malene
Lets Party and drink the cool-aid with OBAMA'S good friends,TONY REZKO, BILL AYERS, REV WRIGHT, and The group that made it possible, Acorn!!! There is one request that no american flag be shown and please no singing of the National Anthem. You make bring your prayer rugs.
Its not like we dont have plenty of good places to spend that money.
Such as health care, police, firemen just to name a few............. But no - I am probably mistaken, its certainly more important that Governor Palin is dressed up pretty than it is to make sure the children in the US has health care. My mistake!
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Right-wing bigotry rears its ugly head once again, LOL!Lets Party and drink the cool-aid with OBAMA'S good friends,TONY REZKO, BILL AYERS, REV WRIGHT, and The group that made it possible, Acorn!!! There is one request that no american flag be shown and please no singing of the National Anthem. You make bring your prayer rugs.
Dixon
Forgive my lack of focus tonight.
Am not willing, or able, right now to google all of McCain's (and Palin's) 'friends'.
I do know that a few savings and loans fell, the Alaskan Independance Party
(and it's white seperatist founder) were among those friends.... guilt by association cuts both ways don't 'cha know wink wink !!
Many of McCain's Republican friends are either in prison, or in complete disgrace for one miserable deception or another.
Can you say Keating scandle
As much as I dislike certain certain opposing opinions, I try my damnedest to listen closely (and respectfully) to them all so as to understand those points of view is all about ?
I do wish Lady Bug would give the rest of us poor souls that same courtesy instead of spewing her angry venom across this screen.
Lady bugs are those lovely, useful, and helpful creatures which provide an amazing service where ever they land.
Perhaps m'lady might consider this in her next offering to this forum.
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Did you know Sarah Palin actually spent 250,000 on her wardrobe but under Obama's plan to redistribute the wealth, some of her clothing was given to Obama's wife who had to appear on the Jay Leno show and didn't have a thing to wear.
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oh booo hooo hooo. I will be so glad when this election is over and we are past this nonsense. I have read many of the posts on here and could rip into the logic and illogic of many of the posts presented here. Some of which are just plain stupid. Just vote for who you want to vote for and be happy that you live in a country where you can really vote for people, and where elections are not a sham.
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They're not? Check out, for starters, https://www.blackboxvoting.org/
and get back to me on that, Dave.
Also, here are some relevant facts with links (this info dates from the time of the last Presidential "election", so some details and links won't be up to date, but unfortunately, the basic message still holds true):
20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:
Diebold and ES&S.
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold
2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight
of the U.S. voting machine industry.
https://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are
brothers.
https://www.americanfreepress.net/ht...e_company.html
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign
organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to
helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...in632436.shtml
https://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886
5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He
became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines. https://www.motherjones.com/commenta...03/03_200.html
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...4fitrakis.html
6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush
family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the
Senate Ethics Committee.
https://www.blackboxvoting.com/modul...=article&sid=2
6
https://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
https://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php
7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-
presidential candidates.
https://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
https://theindependent.com/stories/0...w_hagel27.html
8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and
counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
https://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of
any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data
coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put
in by voters.
https://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
https://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/04...s/pfindex.html
10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines,
all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
https://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
https://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm
11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
https://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm
12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and
developers to help write the central compiler computer code that
counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
https://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
https://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml
13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer
on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of
felony theft in the first degree.
https://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
https://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of
planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of
sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
https://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
https://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
polls in Ohio.
https://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
https://www.enquirer.com/editions/20...oc_elexoh.html
16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the
security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs
could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it. (See the movie
here.)
https://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190
17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch
screen voting machines with no paper trail.
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...in632436.shtml
18. All - not some - but all the voting machine errors detected and
reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
https://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
https://www.yuricareport.com/Electio...searchStudiesB
ushIsOut.htm
https://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
https://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.p...ws&file=articl
e&sid=950
https://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm
19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
https://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tall...al/7628725.htm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2004Oct29.html
20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida - again always favoring
Bush - have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are
recommending further investigation.
https://www.yuricareport.com/Electio...searchStudiesB
ushIsOut.htm
https://www.computerworld.com/govern...t/policy/story
/0,10801,97614,00.html
https://www.americanfreepress.net/ht...thousands.html
https://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
https://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
https://uscountvotes.org/
I don't think hitting the gratitude button would adequately serve.
Amazing bit of work Dixon.
I can really appreciate you saying in effect 'Here's where I'm coming from...and here's the source I'm drawing from...check it out yourself'.
Thanks again
Russ
They're not? Check out, for starters, https://www.blackboxvoting.org/
and get back to me on that, Dave.
Also, here are some relevant facts with links (this info dates from the time of the last Presidential "election", so some details and links won't be up to date, but unfortunately, the basic message still holds true):
20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:
Diebold and ES&S.
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold
2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight
of the U.S. voting machine industry.
https://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are
brothers.
https://www.americanfreepress.net/ht...e_company.html
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign
organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to
helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...in632436.shtml
https://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886
5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He
became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines. https://www.motherjones.com/commenta...03/03_200.html
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...4fitrakis.html
6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush
family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the
Senate Ethics Committee.
https://www.blackboxvoting.com/modul...=article&sid=2
6
https://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
https://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php
7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-
presidential candidates.
https://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
https://theindependent.com/stories/0...w_hagel27.html
8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and
counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
https://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
https://www.onlinejournal.com/evotin...804landes.html
9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of
any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data
coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put
in by voters.
https://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
https://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/04...s/pfindex.html
10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines,
all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
https://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
https://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm
11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
https://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm
12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and
developers to help write the central compiler computer code that
counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
https://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
https://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml
13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer
on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of
felony theft in the first degree.
https://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
https://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of
planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of
sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
https://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
https://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
polls in Ohio.
https://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
https://www.enquirer.com/editions/20...oc_elexoh.html
16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the
security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs
could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it. (See the movie
here.)
https://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190
17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch
screen voting machines with no paper trail.
https://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...in632436.shtml
18. All - not some - but all the voting machine errors detected and
reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
https://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
https://www.yuricareport.com/Electio...searchStudiesB
ushIsOut.htm
https://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
https://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.p...ws&file=articl
e&sid=950
https://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm
19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
https://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tall...al/7628725.htm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2004Oct29.html
20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida - again always favoring
Bush - have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are
recommending further investigation.
https://www.yuricareport.com/Electio...searchStudiesB
ushIsOut.htm
https://www.computerworld.com/govern...t/policy/story
/0,10801,97614,00.html
https://www.americanfreepress.net/ht...thousands.html
https://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
https://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
https://uscountvotes.org/