sonoma's reliance on Yahoo is not healthy

[Karen]

With the other Wacco and our recycle group both invested in Yahoo, I think it is time for us to look closely at Yahoo and decide if this is a business we want to support. The following report explains what is wrong with this scenario.

https://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Raphael1027.htm

[Sabrina]

In Regards to this, what about Google? I notice they have a groups forum too, not nearly as many as yahoo, and only 1 group in CA that I could see. But, hey, there could possibly be a wacco at google dotcom., or recycle at google dotcom created. I think they have a different more liberal mind set than yahoo. For a check on their mindset, go to google and type in the word failure and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button and see what pops up. Then try Moron, hit the same button. Has anyone checked out their "groups" requirements, etc?

With the other Wacco and our recycle group both invested in Yahoo, I think it is time for us to look closely at Yahoo and decide if this is a business we want to support. The following report explains what is wrong with this scenario.

https://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Raphael1027.htm

[Karen]

Thanks a lot for reading my post and obviously, the article. And thanks for taking the time to respond and make a suggestion. There is more than one reason to dump Yahoo. When the old Yahoo group and all its compilations of info, all it's networking capability, was erased from existence, we were lucky to have this one to turn to. Imagine if it hadnt been there. Losing that Yahoo group was a real loss to the community. Consider this. Could it have been related to the then upcoming fight for GEfreesonoma? Or organizing against military recruitment efforts or the war? Maybe. I mean, is it that hard to imagine that it could have been motivated by corporate and/or military interests in opposition to the community's organizing activities and that Yahoo was enlisted to help by performing this one small act of erasing the group? We were already taken out on Yahoo once. If it happens again, it's our fault for not learning the lesson.

In Regards to this, what about Google? I notice they have a groups forum too, not nearly as many as yahoo, and only 1 group in CA that I could see. But, hey, there could possibly be a wacco at google dotcom., or recycle at google dotcom created. I think they have a different more liberal mind set than yahoo. For a check on their mindset, go to google and type in the word failure and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button and see what pops up. Then try Moron, hit the same button. Has anyone checked out their "groups" requirements, etc?

[Karen]

I'm surprised at the lack of response on this
subject. Perhaps no one read the article from
dissidentvoice. It said Yahoo had collected
evidence for the Chinese government on some
political dissenters. The dissidents were arrested
and sentenced to 10 years in brutal conditions.

Thanks a lot for reading my post and obviously, the article. And thanks for taking the time to respond and make a suggestion. There is more than one reason to dump Yahoo. When the old Yahoo group and all its compilations of info, all it's networking capability, was erased from existence, we were lucky to have this one to turn to. Imagine if it hadnt been there. Losing that Yahoo group was a real loss to the community. Consider this. Could it have been related to the then upcoming fight for GEfreesonoma? Or organizing against military recruitment efforts or the war? Maybe. I mean, is it that hard to imagine that it could have been motivated by corporate and/or military interests in opposition to the community's organizing activities and that Yahoo was enlisted to help by performing this one small act of erasing the group? We were already taken out on Yahoo once. If it happens again, it's our fault for not learning the lesson.

[Karen]

I've had a few private responses. I'd like to reply here.

What ever happened to Barry's yahoo, it just shows that a yahoo group is very vulnerable. On yahoo email addresses are made public and they can turn us off like a light. But the main point I wish to address is that Yahoo has spied on users and turned them in for punishment for dissenting. Please check out some of these reports for yourself and then ask, is that the kind of business we, as a progressive community, want to be supporting?

Feel free to pass this on.

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www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200509%5CFOR20050926a.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

China Targets 'Unhealthy' Online News Stories -- 09/26/2005
Another cyber-dissident, Zhang Lin, was jailed in January for five years for ...
Jailing of Chinese Journalist: Yahoo's Defense Called Inadequate (Sept. ...
www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Carchive%5C200509%5CFOR20050926a.html - 34k - Cached - Similar pages

独立中文作家笔会--Independent Chinese PEN Center
Financial News: China Dissident. Attacks Yahoo over Jailing. By Mure Dickie in
Beijing Published: October 18 2005 03:00 ...
www.penchinese.net/English/News/Oct2005/liuonyahoo.htm - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

Yahoo Snitched on Now-Jailed Chinese Journalist · MarketingVOX
Yahoo declined to confirm or deny that it had furnished the Chinese government
... of dissidents on the 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre, ...
www.marketingvox.com/archives/2005/09/08/yahoo_snitched_on_nowjailed_chinese_journalist/ - Similar pages

Wired News: Yahoo Moves Into the Hot Zone
... and the media that pro-democracy dissidents might return to China to agitate
... Yahoo and other companies have sought a foothold in China's lucrative ...
www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,68873,00.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages

SANS PrivacyBits - Vol: 2, Issue: 31
China: Yahoo, Google Aiding Internet Censorship (27 July 2004) ... Two other
elderly dissidents, Pham Que Dung, 73, andTran Khue, 68, were convicted and ...
www.sans.org/newsletters/privacybits/privacybits.php?vol=2&issue=31 - 52k - Nov 9, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

IFEX :: Internet Censorship
RSF LAUNCHES HANDBOOK FOR BLOGGERS AND CYBER-DISSIDENTS. Reporters Without
Borders (Reporters sans ... CHINA: YAHOO ASSAILED OVER JAILING OF JOURNALIST ...
www.ifex.org/fr/content/view/archivefeatures/235/ - 43k - Cached - Similar pages

Yahoo! 'helped China jail journalist for state secret leak ...
Yahoo! 'helped China jail journalist for state secret leak' ... newspaper warning
journalists of the dangers associated with dissidents returning to mark ...
networks.silicon.com/webwatch/0,39024667,39152024,00.htm - 58k - Nov 9, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

(DV) Raphael: Boot Yahoo
... to the government of mainland China in helping identify political dissidents
there. As noted by Reporters Without Borders, “We already knew that Yahoo! ...
www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Raphael1027.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Yahoo 'helped jail Chinese journalist' - ZDNet UK News
As Internet firms scramble over each other for a slice of the Chinese market,
... The harsh criticism comes as Yahoo and rivals Microsoft and Google are ...
news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,39020369,39216739,00.htm - 49k - Nov 8, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

The BOBs - Best Of The Blogs DW-WORLD.DE, das Online-Portal der ...
... on servers outside of China, Yahoo! wouldn't have been legally obligated to
... Even if they don't, they must recognize that helping put dissidents in ...
www.thebobs.de/thebobs05/bobup.php?site=comments&type=bobsblog&id=13 - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Boing Boing: Chinese activist to Jerry Yang: You are helping to ...
Yahoo Hong Kong ratted out a Chinese dissident journalist to the Chinese government,
sending the journalist to prison for ten years. ...
www.boingboing.net/2005/10/20/chinese_activist_to_.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

cooltech.iafrica.com | tech news China tries another internet ...
China tries another internet dissident Posted Wed, 05 Nov 2003 ... Yahoo to buy
China internet firm · Junk emails costing billions ...
cooltech.iafrica.com/technews/283129.htm - 34k - Cached - Similar pages

Human Rights Watch - Free Expression - Internet
Vietnam's use of espionage charges against peaceful dissidents clearly violates
... September 7, 2002 Letter Yahoo! Risks Abusing Rights in China Yahoo! ...
hrw.org/doc/?t=internet&document_limit=20,20 - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

dissident intoduction list
He wants Clinton to tell the Chinese government to let the dissident to come ...
Famous writer and veteran dissident leader. Chair of Chinese Democratic ...
www.freechina.net/dissident.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

Politech: [Politech] "Battle-blogging for profit" -- Yahoo, China ...
It warned that dissidents may use the Internet to spread "damaging information."
... 10 in Hangzhou, China, Yang said Yahoo and other US-based ...
seclists.org/lists/politech/2005/Oct/0020.html - Similar pages

it matters
China dissidents publish ìdeclaration of Internet users' rightsî. A group of 18
Chinese dissidents and intellectuals published on Monday a "declaration of ...
itmatters.com.ph/news/news_07312002e.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

Search Engine Journal » Yahoo Helped China Imprison Journalist ...
... dissidents on the 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.” ...
Of course, one of Shi’s first mistakes may have been using a Yahoo China ...
www.searchenginejournal.com/index.php?p=2165 - 35k - Cached - Similar pages

China, Journalism, and Yahoo - Censorship and Jail?
Yahoo! supplied the Chinese authorities with information regarding an IP address
... dissidents on the 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre." ...
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The Peking Duck: "Chinese Law Prof" challenges Yahoo's claims on ...
Even if they don't, they must recognize that helping put dissidents in jail ...
Either way Yahoo is out of business in China. The service from Yahoo can be ...
pekingduck.org/archives/002887.php - 43k - Cached - Similar pages

Correspondents Report - Yahoo! accused of complicity in jailing of ...
... of certain dissidents on the occasion of the 15th anniversary of the massacre.
... Julian Pain from Reporters Without Borders says Yahoo! helped Chinese ...
www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2005/s1457210.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

I'm surprised at the lack of response on this
subject. Perhaps no one read the article from
dissidentvoice. It said Yahoo had collected
evidence for the Chinese government on some
political dissenters. The dissidents were arrested
and sentenced to 10 years in brutal conditions.