This thread is born off "'Gun Control' is Socially Non-Sustainable".
https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showt...985#post162985

John,

it doesn't matter if we think/talk about groups or individuals.

If the individual leaders of the groups/(files) don't well know (down to credible details) where they want to go, they and their followers will never get anywhere in the end.

To "seasteading" ( seasteading.org ): There is no guaranty that seasteading will not end up being just another, originally well intended enterprise.

It also seems to be a very lengthy process--first attract people with opening a new profitable frontier that offers access to previously not exploited resources, then hope to establish new, better forms of government on that frontier, and then to hope to inspire the rest of humanity to adopt these new, better forms of government ... If all that even gets that far--will there be much of the rest of humanity left over by that time? Above all--will not Seasteadia attract human predators long before then, as soon there will be any wealth of any kind to want to partake in?

Hearthstone.