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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    I don't get why your landlady is making a tenant pay for opt-out fees? Isn't she the one that wanted to opt out, or does the tenant? I'm a landlord and told my tenant I would pay if it comes to that. I too am just paying the regular bill and not the smart meter stuff. I don't think the tenant should pay if they did not ask to opt-out.
    My landlady knows I definitely do not want a smart meter and I asked her to opt-out. I showed her a lot of data regarding the health impacts and asked her to pay half the fees if it came to that. She quoted an "independent" source that said smart meters emit the same amount of radiation as a cell phone and said she had based her decision to not opt-out for herself on that. I showed her evidence that her independent source was industry hiding behind a university. She didn't have time to look at that. She's one of those run of the mill power-tripping landladies who denies there is a rat and biting rat mite problem and then raises the rent as a response to my proposing a more transparent way of figuring the shared utilities.

    To Wendy and all the folks who have not paid the opt-out fee, please let us know what happens in month two and three. Did the opt-out fee get paid instead of your utilities? Or did the opt-out fee remain on the bottom of your bill with no due date?
    Opt-out of having a smart meter whether you have one now or not, anytime. 1-866-743-0263 24/7 Spread the word. More info here.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    I've yet to pay my last two P G & E bills because of my deep fondness for the company. When I do pay, I will specifically omit the one-time only fee and the monthly opt-out fee from my payment, just to see what happens. Let's all do the same. It would not be good business for P G & E to threaten shutting off power to thousands of ratepayers who refuse to pay the extortion charges. If enough opt-out customers don't pay those fees, P G & E may be forced to rescind them.

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    I don't get why your landlady is making a tenant pay for opt-out fees? Isn't she the one that wanted to opt out, or does the tenant? I'm a landlord and told my tenant I would pay if it comes to that. I too am just paying the regular bill and not the smart meter stuff. I don't think the tenant should pay if they did not ask to opt-out.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    I've yet to pay my last two P G & E bills because of my deep fondness for the company. When I do pay, I will specifically omit the one-time only fee and the monthly opt-out fee from my payment, just to see what happens. Let's all do the same. It would not be good business for P G & E to threaten shutting off power to thousands of ratepayers who refuse to pay the extortion charges. If enough opt-out customers don't pay those fees, P G & E may be forced to rescind them.
    Threats have already been issued in a SF Chronicle article on April 28th. It's common knowledge that PG$E is a foremost model of bad business:
    https://www.sfgate.com/business/arti...-1-3518122.php
    “PG&E warns that people who opt out but don’t pay the fees will be treated like any other customers who owe the company money – they could see their power shut off if they don’t eventually pay up."
    Helen Burt is a Chief Customer Officer for PG$E. Here's what she had to say about it personally:

    ‘It is a part of what they owe, and at some time in the future, it’ll be an unpaid bill that’ll be subject to collection and possibly subject to cut off,’ . . .‘That is absolutely the last thing we want to do.’”

    I like the unspecified "future" and the “could” . . .”possibly” language because it also implies “could possibly not”. Burt & Co. are proud graduates of the School of Intimidation. Why is cutting off the power “absolutely the last thing” they want to do? Because the last time they tried that in December in Santa Cruz County, it totally backfired into a scandalous public relations fiasco featuring a stern public grilling of a PG$E sacrificial goat by an incensed Board of Supervisors.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGq...layer_embedded

    It backfired so badly, that within a week the PG$E Grinch did a 180 and restored power to several vocal women of Capitola.

    This was a benchmark turning point in our struggle that finally resulted in a sort of Trojan horse concession. This was the moment when SmartNot Meters became no longer “mandatory”–when CEO Anthony Earley came out with his astonishing though deceptive reversal: “Why should we be fighting with our own customers over something like this?”

    But here we are over 6 months later, and they still are.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?


    Sebastopol City Council OKs measure requesting delay in SmartMeter rollout
    https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120720/ARTICLES/120729985/1350?Title=Sebastopol-OKs-asking-for-delay-in-SmartMeter-rollout

    By BOB NORBERG
    THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
    Published: Friday, July 20, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.


    The Sebastopol City Council approved an emergency measure Thursday night asking PG&E to delay installation of SmartMeters in the city until state regulators conclude hearings on new opt-out procedures.

    “It was triggered by PG&E calling the city and saying they will start installing SmartMeters within two weeks,” said Vice Mayor Michael Kyes. “There are a number of people in the city who are not happy with that.”

    SmartMeters have been particularly controversial in Sebastopol, where critics contend that the wireless meters emit radio frequencies that can cause health problems.

    PG&E is promoting the meters as a way for consumers to better manage energy use, while allowing the utility to cut staff needed to read gas and electric meters.

    When the utility introduced the meters in February 2010, however, it quickly ran into resistance in Sonoma County and elsewhere in California.

    PG&E was required by the state Public Utilities Commission to allow individuals to keep their traditional meters, for a one-time fee of $75 and a $10 monthly fee to cover the cost of having the meters read.

    The PUC now is holding hearings on how groups or communities could opt out of having the meters installed, as well as an analysis of the cost.

    The council voted 5-0 to ask PG&E to not install meters within the city limits until those hearings are completed.

    The vote was taken at 11:30 p.m., on the heels of the council's second public hearing on another controversial project, the proposed CVS Pharmacy and Chase Bank branch at the vacant Pellini Chevrolet dealership.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Thanks for the info. Just yesterday I went to the PG&E site to see about opting out after I heard that meters would start to be installed very soon. Any idea when those hearings will be and we'll know?

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    Sebastopol City Council OKs measure requesting delay in SmartMeter rollout
    https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120720/ARTICLES/120729985/1350?Title=Sebastopol-OKs-asking-for-delay-in-SmartMeter-rollout
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Smart Meter Opt Out Fee Refusals- Update and Take Action

    Dear Smart Meter "opt out" fee refuser,

    Thank you for signing our pledge over the last several months to refuse to pay extortionate smart meter opt out fees! We want to hear from you how it's going. Has your utility taken any action?


    We know that the Four Hundred or so pledges we received are just the tip of the iceberg of people who are refusing to be scammed by greedy utilities. We can stop these outrageous and illegal fees- if we stick together and organize!

    Isis, our volunteer in Oakland CA- is helping to coordinate those who are resisting fees. Please send her an e-mail at [email protected] telling her:

    1) Do you have your analog meter still?
    2) Are you being charged an "opt out" fee?
    3) Are you refusing to pay these fees?
    4) Who is your utility and where are you located?
    5) Has your utility taken any action or made any threats?
    6) Are you willing to risk getting your power shut off for the cause- if it helps eliminate the fees?
    7) Would you be willing to be interviewed or participate in a public protest against opt out fees and smart meters in general?
    8) Would you be willing to be a contact in your area, to help coordinate unified actions?

    We have heard that PG&E and other CA utilities may start attempts to install smart meters and/ or switch off the electricity to those refusing to pay fees starting August 1st. Make sure your analog meter is protected. Please get in touch immediately if your utility attempts any action against you- we need to publicize these threats that are occurring.

    If you need any advice we are here to help.

    Thank you for taking action against utility extortion!

    Josh Hart

    Joshua Hart MSc
    Director, Stop Smart Meters!
    https://stopsmartmeters.org

    Stop Smart Meters! is a grassroots-funded campaign.
    Your generous support is critical to our success.
    Every little bit helps! https://stopsmartmeters.org/donate


    Opt-out of having a smart meter whether you have one now or not, anytime. 1-866-743-0263 24/7 Spread the word. More info here.
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    Smart Meter Fee Resistance- Important Update from Stop Smart Meters!

    Just a note to preface this; we opted out in April and have yet to see an opt-out fee on our bill. I'm in Marin where there is a county wide moratorium on opt-out fees and new smart meter installations. Others in Marin are reporting that they haven't seen fees either after opting out, or refused to opt-out of something they never opted in to. They haven't had a smart meter installed.

    Liz

    Dear Smart Meter Fee Fighters,

    Thank you for contacting Stop Smart Meters! over the last few months with an update about your local battle against 'smart' meters and the associated fees being imposed to keep or replace an analog meter. We support each and every one of you who are doing your part to resist deeply unjust and discriminatory smart grid policies and the extortionate fees that utilities are using to force harmful devices into our communities.

    Though hundreds- probably thousands- of people are refusing to pay the fees, not a single customer has reported that their services have been switched off simply for refusing to pay these fees. Despite multiple 15-day disconnect notices lapsing, people like Tom DeMarchi are calling the utility's bluff. Read his story at: https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/10/...t-power-today/

    In states without an 'opt out' people are being deprived of their basic human rights, and utilities are even pulling the plug on some families, simply for "opting out." Stop Smart Meters! raised over $500 through our Safe Power Fund for Mona Orkoulas of Nevada to obtain solar panels after NVE cut her electricity for having her smart meter replaced with a safe analog meter. Full story here: https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/09/...or-opting-out/

    What You Can Do


    1. If you are refusing to pay fees in CA, as soon as you receive a 15 day disconnect notice, lodge a formal fee complaint with the CPUC Consumers Affairs Branch- CAB (Call first, follow up with a formal complaint) The utility cannot legally disconnect your power while the complaint is in resolution process.
    CA Consumer Affairs Branch 1-800-649-7570 https://ia.cpuc.ca.gov/cimsapp/?key=39949189
    More info and analysis on our website: https://stopsmartmeters.org/2012/10/...-the-power-on/

    **Keep us informed- e-mail us immediately if your power is cut.**

    2. Join our new discussion group with fee resisters from all around CA and beyond to trade advice and plan further organized resistance to the fees. Wait for a separate invitation by e-mail and follow the instructions to subscribe. The website for the new group is at:https://groups.yahoo.com/group/ResistFees/

    3. Plan to attend CPUC Public Hearings on Smart Meter Opt Out Fees (over the holidays- boo CPUC)

    information about what to expect at public participation hearings posted at https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/PUC/aboutus/...n+Hearings.htm.


    SANTA ROSA (PG&E territory)
    December 20, 2012 at 2:00 p.m.
    Steel Lane Community Center – Dohn Room
    415 Steele Lane
    Santa Rosa, CA 95403


    4. Visit FightTheFees.Org and contribute a photo

    5. Donate to Stop Smart Meters! We depend on your contributions to support our work. See: https://stopsmartmeters.org/donate

    6. Spread the word to your friends and family- warn them that smart meters are a hazard and encourage them to refuse both smart meters and fees. You can give them this flyer: https://stopsmartmeters.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/StopSmartMetersFlyerColor.pdf

    7. Educate yourself about the legal aspects of this smart meter protection racket policy, and familiarize yourself with those challenging it:

    • Sandi Maurer, head of the EMF Safety Network based in Sebastopol, is fighting the opt out fees and suing the CPUC. She needs funds to do this:

    More details: https://emfsafetynetwork.org/?p=8490

    • Sue Brinchman of San Diego based Center for Electrosmog Prevention is also fighting the fees:
    https://www.electrosmogprevention.org/

    • Edward Hasbrouck, SF resident and travel writer, has challenged PG&E's right to force a smart meter onto private property and challenged their right to charge opt out fees- see his blog for details on how the CPUC is grossly mishandling his legal protest:

    https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001987.html
    https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001997.html
    https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002001.html
    https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002006.html
    https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002019.html

    8. Go off the grid! Consider cutting the umbilical cord to your utility- it's easier than you think- more info here:
    https://www.electricalpollution.com/OffgridSafely.html

    Thank you again for taking action to stand up to the utilities- we look forward to connecting with you on the resisters e-mail group (see #2) and at the CPUC hearings in December. (#3)

    Thanks again for standing up to injustice,

    Josh


    Joshua Hart MSc
    Director, Stop Smart Meters!
    https://stopsmartmeters.org

    Stop Smart Meters! is a grassroots-funded campaign.
    Please chip in if you can! https://stopsmartmeters.org/donate
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    Re: Smart Meter Fee Resistance- Important Update from Stop Smart Meters!

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    Just a note to preface this; we opted out in April and have yet to see an opt-out fee on our bill. I'm in Marin where there is a county wide moratorium on opt-out fees and new smart meter installations. Others in Marin are reporting that they haven't seen fees either after opting out, or refused to opt-out of something they never opted in to. They haven't had a smart meter installed.

    Liz
    How did Marin manage that!?
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    Re: Smart Meter Fee Resistance- Important Update from Stop Smart Meters!

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    How did Marin manage that!?
    I think we took it to the Supervisors who voted for it. You could get a copy of it from them and do the same in Sonoma.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Dear Stop Smart Meters! supporter:

    As bad as the extortionate and punitive smart meter 'opt-out' fee policy seems at the moment, utilities in California are pressuring the CPUC to increase the fees, and take away the choice of an analog meter, forcing us to pay hundreds of dollars/ year for a digital 'radio off' meter with many of the same problems as the 'smart' meter. It's been revealed that utilities like PG&E have scrapped millions of perfectly functional analog meters- now they want to charge us for purchasing new ones. We refuse to be charged for the incompetence of for-profit, corporate utilities.

    IT IS CRITICAL TO ATTEND THESE HEARINGS AND TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO ATTEND. Approach your family, neighbors, friends, and local elected officials now about attending and speaking at one of these hearings.

    We are demanding:

    -no-cost, purely electromechanical analog meters for water, gas and electric utilities
    -the right for apartment complexes, and cities and counties to opt out
    -the right for businesses- as well as residences to refuse smart meters

    The CPUC has ignored widespread pleas from the public to schedule these hearings at a time when they would not conflict with the holidays. Many are speculating that these dates were chosen to diminish public turnout.

    Don't let them get away with this!

    If you cannot attend the hearings, please send comments (see below).

    SANTA ROSA (PG&E territory)
    December 20, 2012 at 2:00 p.m.
    Steel Lane Community Center – Dohn Room
    415 Steele Lane
    Santa Rosa, CA 95403

    More information about what to expect at public participation hearings here: https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/PUC/aboutus/...n+Hearings.htm

    Questions being considered in the Phase 2 opt out proceeding are:

    1) Should more than one opt-*out option be offered to customers who do not wish to have a wireless SmartMeter (e.g., a digital, non-*communicating meter)? Should different fees be assessed based on the type of opt-*out meter selected by the customer and, if so, what is an appropriate level for such fees?

    2) Should all costs associated with the opt-*out option be paid by only those customers electing the option, or should some portion of these costs be allocated to all ratepayers and/or to utility shareholders?

    3) What fees should be assessed on customers who elect the opt-*out option and should the fees be assessed on a per meter or per location basis?

    4) Should there be an "exit fee" imposed on customers who elect the opt-*out option and later return to a wireless SmartMeter?

    5) Should the opt-*out option be extended to local governments and communities?

    If you are unable to attend these hearings, you may submit written comments to the to the CPUC's Public Advisor's Office at the address noted below. Please refer to the application filing number, A.11-*03-*014 et al, when writing. Please state if you would like a response, otherwise no response will be sent. Your comments will become a part of the formal file for public comment in this proceeding. The Public Advisor's Office will circulate your comments to the five Commissioners, the ALJ, the Division of Ratepayer Advocates (DRA), and to CPUC staff assigned to this proceeding. You may also write to the CPUC if you need advice on how to participate in this proceeding, or would like to receive further notices regarding the date, time, and place of any future hearing in this proceeding:

    The Public Advisor California Public Utilities Commission 505 Van Ness Avenue, Room 2103 San Francisco, CA 94102 E-*Mail: [email protected]
    Locations for these hearings are wheelchair accessible. If you need interpreters for language or for the hard of hearing, please contact the Public Advisor's Office at the following numbers at least five (5) working days in advance of the meeting date:
    Telephone: (415) 703-*2074 or toll free: 1-*866-*849-*8390 TTY: (415) 703-*5282 or toll free TTY: 1-*866-*836-*7825

    Joshua Hart MSc
    Director, Stop Smart Meters!
    https://stopsmartmeters.org

    Stop Smart Meters! is a grassroots-funded campaign.
    Please chip in if you can! https://stopsmartmeters.org/donate

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  20. TopTop #71
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    There is a little white truck running around the West County with address list in hand switching meters. They switched many this past week.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    The citizens of San Bruno have started a petition asking Gov. Brown to remove Michael Peevey from the board of the CPUC, citing incompetence in the handling of PG & E's responsibility for the deadly pipeline explosion two years ago. As a former executive with a utility company, Peevey is a shill for the industry and more or less rubber stamps whatever the utility companies want to do. I find the trend in government to appoint individuals from an industry to oversee that same industry at government agencies very disturbing. Peevey's unwillingness to stop the rampant replacement of analog utility meters with Smart Meters unacceptable. I've already signed the petition to have him removed and recommend everyone concerned go to the following site to put in your two cents as well:
    https://www.change.org/petitions/gov...share_petition. Peevey is no friend of the California consumer.
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    Reminder to go to Thur Dec. 20th PG&E public hearing on opt-out fees, or submit comments


    Smart Meter hearing this Thursday Dec 20th, and how to submit comments if you can't make it.


    California Public Utilities Commission will accept public comment on the
    second phase of modifications (such as the opt-out option) to the Smart
    Meter Program. The current opt-out option for customers who don't want a
    Smart Meter, has a one-time $75 fee, and a monthly $10 fee to participate.

    One issue is whether this opt-out option will be extended to governmental
    agencies and apartment, condominium dwellers. The other issue is whether
    the current fees are appropriate. (They want to raise the fees).

    The meeting is this Thursday Dec 20th
    2:00
    Steele Lane Community Center Dohm Room
    415 Steele Lane
    Santa Rosa

    If unable to attend, and you want to submit written comments, contact
    866 849-8390
    Public.Advisor@CPUC.ca.gov

    They scheduled this meeting right near the holidays to make it harder for people to attend. Let's let them know they can't get away with that!
    Opt-out of having a smart meter whether you have one now or not, anytime. 1-866-743-0263 24/7 Spread the word. More info here.
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    Re: Reminder to go to Thur Dec. 20th PG&E public hearing on opt-out fees, or submit commen

    I have been charged a one-time $75 fee and am paying $15 a month for opting out. This seems ridiculous: $180 a year more and I'm getting nothing for it.

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    Smart Meter hearing this Thursday Dec 20th, and how to submit comments if you can't make it.


    California Public Utilities Commission will accept public comment on the
    second phase of modifications (such as the opt-out option) to the Smart
    Meter Program. The current opt-out option for customers who don't want a
    Smart Meter, has a one-time $75 fee, and a monthly $10 fee to participate.

    One issue is whether this opt-out option will be extended to governmental
    agencies and apartment, condominium dwellers. The other issue is whether
    the current fees are appropriate. (They want to raise the fees).

    The meeting is this Thursday Dec 20th
    2:00
    Steele Lane Community Center Dohm Room
    415 Steele Lane
    Santa Rosa

    If unable to attend, and you want to submit written comments, contact
    866 849-8390
    Public.Advisor@CPUC.ca.gov

    They scheduled this meeting right near the holidays to make it harder for people to attend. Let's let them know they can't get away with that!
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    And now the CPUC has just approved raises to all PG & E customers for the mistakes they should have corrected years ago in their gas pipelines. The CPUC is in bed with PG & E in the form of it's members owning huge stock in the corporation; totally corrupt.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    SmartMeter update... OUTRAGED!!!

    PG&E is attempting to collect their 'questionable' $75 opt-out fee without making a line item entry on our utility bills. (Watch your own billings carefully, if you've opted out.)

    Even WORSE, PG&E is 'fudging' the bill by making it look like we used extra electricity in order to 'BURY' this extremely unpopular extortionist-style fee for equipment we don't have installed on our house, don't want installed, and never asked for.

    My husband and I were some of the very early opt-out supporters due to concern about EMF health risks, potential computer / appliance equipment damage, house fire risks among other issues. I attended a PG&E customer education / protest meeting in Sebastopol with a friend. And have been following consumer rights issues on this from time-to-time ever since.

    What caught my eye on our most recent bill we received yesterday were electrical Kwh running 267% higher than last year's DEC usage. Puzzling since we haven't changed anything:
    ~ no new equipment/appliances
    ~ no work-lifestyle changes
    ~ no extra folks living with us.
    In plain terms, NO REASON for our electrical usage to skyrocket!

    Called PG&E Customer Service (San Jose office) today. To my question about no line item, the woman I spoke to said "You received the 'short bill' by default. We'll mail the long 4-5 page bill. You'll get it in a few days."

    Asked what our actual monthly usage was? I said do I simply subtract $75 from the $90.96 listed? "No." she answered "The opt-out fee has TAXES applied to it." She then informed me our 'actual usage' (which really is a processing fee, since our solar system generates electricity in excess of what we use) = $11.63. (Which you can see written on the bill in my handwriting)

    My husband and I are wondering if PG&E's blatantly underhanded approach of FABRICATING FAKE USAGE KWH is the basis for a consumer class action suit? Any good lawyers out there? Not wise to protest onesie-twosie. We must gather together as a huge consumer group and hammer them with it.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    SmartMeter update... OUTRAGED!!!

    My husband and I are wondering if PG&E's blatantly underhanded approach of FABRICATING FAKE USAGE KWH is the basis for a consumer class action suit? Any good lawyers out there? Not wise to protest onesie-twosie. We must gather together as a huge consumer group and hammer them with it.
    BTW, Solar Sonoma would like to convert our entire county to solar, so we can get rid of PG&E. Sonoma county already generates more solar electricity per capita than any county in the USA, so let's go for it and get rid of PG&E.

    We converted to solar summer of 2011 to take advantage of sizable state & federal tax credits. Our superb solar system generated not only what our household / business uses, but an overage: $700 worth of FREE electricity for PG&E to use and resell (that by law they don't have to pay us for). And now, THIS! I'm fuming....
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Sorry I did not see you at this meeting.

    I was speaker #59; all the speakers' testimony before me I concurred with. I spoke for the heart of the solution.

    We know that PG&E operates as "legalized" organized crime. We know that the CPUC enables this, which is collusion. We are the only ones who can compel justice. Most of the media only reports on these stories, they don't investigate. In part because of the advertising money at stake, investments, collusion with regulators, government officials & utility operators.

    Just look at the "reporting" from the Press Democrat, whose owners are paid lobbyist and consultants for PG&E. The reporter only cites what was said, not one bit of follow-up on any of the validity of the claims made by hundreds of speakers with their testimony to the Administrative Judge.

    It is time all Californians petition our Governor to remove all CPUC commissioners; audit the CPUC, and overhaul it. We need all entities who have been watchdogs for the CPUC, PG&E, etc. to consolidate a petition and put it up on change.org or something like it.

    Replacing these dangerous criminal operations with clean Publicly/privately owned power systems for all of California; and decommissioning all nuclear plants, are the next steps at hand.

    Clean, Green Public Power (both in conduct of system operators & safety of transmission system) has the additional superior benefit of restoring California's economy. Especially when we create incentives for locally owned & operated clean power system manufacturing, installations & maintenance.

    Too bad ya'll did not make this a deal breaker for everyone who you just helped get elected. Now you can compel them to earn their paychecks and benefits by delivering a local and state owned, well maintained power grid; and nuclear-free, carbon-free, State, County & City + privately owned clean/Green/fish friendly power production.

    Just like we worked for real change in moving our money; we need to attract a groundswell to clean up our oversight and investments in energy production & transmission.

    In this new era, it's up to us generate the shift in California-made, clean, responsible energy.

    Speaking truth about power, to power*,

    Colleen Fernald

    www.sol-solutions.com

    * (That would be - We The Wacco People of California)

    Now this would be worth seceding for right!?
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    If you opted out of the Smart Meter program, you should have seen a separate charge appearing on the FRONT page of your monthly bill. On my November statement I didn't see the charge on that page. Think P G & E stopped charging the fee? THINK AGAIN. These conniving SOBs have removed the charge from the front summary page and buried it in the detail of your gas and electricity charges. I've never paid the fees and have marked my bill to subtract the fee from the total amount due.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    Speaking truth about power, to power*,

    Colleen Fernald

    www.sol-solutions.com

    * (That would be - We The Wacco People of California)

    Now this would be worth seceding for right!?

    Whether you spoke or not, please send your comments re: being forced to pay to opt-out of Smart Meters to:


    The Public Advisor
    California Public Utilities Commission 505 Van Ness Avenue, Room 2103 San Francisco, CA 94102 E-*Mail: [email protected]

    Telephone: (415) 703-*2074 or toll free: 1-*866-*849-*8390 TTY: (415) 703-*5282 or toll free TTY: 1-*866-*836-*7825

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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Under the new "Corporate Personhood" PG&E should have been given the same responsibility and charged with involuntary manslaughter for their misconduct in not spending ratepayer fees on the San Bruno, (and elsewhere) gas transmission lines; but instead paying high salaries to criminal executive and dividends to shareholders.


    This model is deadly.

    Fines from the CPUC are clearly not enough. This has been proven for decades, so Peevey and all the rest must be held for their liability as well as PG&E.
    Instead, the ratepayers are to pay for these mistakes!?!

    We The People of the Republic of California, and customers of PG&E must enter a class action lawsuit.

    Time for a sequel for Erin Brocovitch. Win or lose, the screenplay can finance the lawsuit. Who's in?

    In the words of the late, great John Lennon, "Power to the people"!

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    The citizens of San Bruno have started a petition asking Gov. Brown to remove Michael Peevey from the board of the CPUC, citing incompetence in the handling of PG & E's responsibility for the deadly pipeline explosion two years ago. As a former executive with a utility company, Peevey is a shill for the industry and more or less rubber stamps whatever the utility companies want to do. I find the trend in government to appoint individuals from an industry to oversee that same industry at government agencies very disturbing. Peevey's unwillingness to stop the rampant replacement of analog utility meters with Smart Meters unacceptable. I've already signed the petition to have him removed and recommend everyone concerned go to the following site to put in your two cents as well:
    https://www.change.org/petitions/gov...share_petition. Peevey is no friend of the California consumer.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    It is time all Californians petition our Governor to remove all CPUC commissioners; audit the CPUC, and overhaul it. We need all entities who have been watchdogs for the CPUC, PG&E, etc. to consolidate a petition and put it up on change.org or something like it.
    Here's that petition:
    https://www.change.org/petitions/gov...share_petition
    Opt-out of having a smart meter whether you have one now or not, anytime. 1-866-743-0263 24/7 Spread the word. More info here.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    We live in Santa Rosa and had a Solar System installed two years ago. At the time, they installed a Bi-directional meter which was NOT a wireless smart meter. They said that the Bi-directional wireless smart meters for the Solar installations were still being developed. I'm not sure if they are even available yet, but we don't have one.
    Is it possible that you are opting out of something that is not even available for you?
    Tom
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    We live in Santa Rosa and had a Solar System installed two years ago. At the time, they installed a Bi-directional meter which was NOT a wireless smart meter. They said that the Bi-directional wireless smart meters for the Solar installations were still being developed. I'm not sure if they are even available yet, but we don't have one.
    Is it possible that you are opting out of something that is not even available for you?
    Tom
    Tom ~ We opted out early on, BEFORE we had our solar system installed (summer of 2011). Spoke with PG&E's Solar Customer Service (1-877-743-4112) a few days ago about smartmeters for solar system customers. They now have them and intend to install solar system smartmeters, too, unless customers opt-out.

    Plus PG&E has smartmeters for the gas lines. So, if you don't want one, opt-out. Or anticipate having smartmeters installed on your house.

    ~ Cynthe
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    Thanks! Ubaru ~ Signed this yesterday and posted it on Facebook for folks there.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by Peace Voyager: View Post
    Under the new "Corporate Personhood" PG&E should have been given the same responsibility and charged with involuntary manslaughter for their misconduct in not spending ratepayer fees on the San Bruno, (and elsewhere) gas transmission lines; but instead paying high salaries to criminal executive and dividends to shareholders.

    Fines from the CPUC are clearly not enough. This has been proven for decades, so Peevey and all the rest must be held for their liability as well as PG&E.

    We The People of the Republic of California, and customers of PG&E must enter a class action lawsuit.

    Time for a sequel for Erin Brocovitch. Win or lose, the screenplay can finance the lawsuit. Who's in?
    I'm in. Beginning to investigate how to start a class action suit.

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    In the meantime, for those of you who want more info ~ whether you're leery of smartmeters OR think those of us who are, are wacked...

    Watch this excellent 30 min presentation by Curtis Bennett, a Canadian electrical pro whose business is to troubleshoot 'heating' issues regarding electrical uses.

    Curtis Bennett was a skeptic until he started investigating smartmeters. Here he discusses the REAL dangers of EMF smartmeter frequencies: https://www.stayonthetruth.com/curti...art-meters.php


    The compelling video runs 30min. You won't be bored:
    @ 8 min - Mr. Bennett states humans are NOT compatible with smartmeters
    @ 11 min - He discusses cell phone harm...60% of damage is done within first 6 minutes of using your cell phones.
    @ 15 min - Brings up the issue of induced tissue heating (damage)

    Mr. Bennett's company's devices visually measure the heating and inflammatory effects on human tissue for medical health services as well as other applications like checking function of electrical equipment and insulation issues in buildings.

    Well worth watching! Your life, your children & elderly family members lives may depend on knowing this information.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

    Though I'm on the same side of the SmartMeter issue as you are, Cynthe, I don't think Mr. Bennett's arguments do much to prove the biological effects of low level electromagnetic radiation. He repeatedly refers to himself as a "professional," and encourages his viewers to think he has special qualifications; he's using equipment which measures infrared radiation to highlight differences in temperature. The level of electromagnetic (E-M) radiation that is of most concern in the vicinity of cell phone towers, close to cell phones, and in areas of wi-fi and SmartMeter coverage, is not sufficient to directly cause appreciable tissue heating. Yet, there is evidence that it can cause cellular changes, and there are qualified researchers who have demonstrated reasonable cause for concern. Microwave News (https://microwavenews.com) is a respected source of information regarding the ongoing controversy about the biological hazards of microwave radio frequency energy.


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    I'm in. Beginning to investigate how to start a class action suit.

    =============
    In the meantime, for those of you who want more info ~ whether you're leery of smartmeters OR think those of us who are, are wacked...

    Watch this excellent 30 min presentation by Curtis Bennett, a Canadian electrical pro whose business is to troubleshoot 'heating' issues regarding electrical uses.

    Curtis Bennett was a skeptic until he started investigating smartmeters. Here he discusses the REAL dangers of EMF smartmeter frequencies: https://www.stayonthetruth.com/curti...art-meters.php


    The compelling video runs 30min. You won't be bored:
    @ 8 min - Mr. Bennett states humans are NOT compatible with smartmeters
    @ 11 min - He discusses cell phone harm...60% of damage is done within first 6 minutes of using your cell phones.
    @ 15 min - Brings up the issue of induced tissue heating (damage)

    Mr. Bennett's company's devices visually measure the heating and inflammatory effects on human tissue for medical health services as well as other applications like checking function of electrical equipment and insulation issues in buildings.

    Well worth watching! Your life, your children & elderly family members lives may depend on knowing this information.
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    Re: Has anything more come of PG&E smartmeter opt-out?

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    Though I'm on the same side of the SmartMeter issue as you are, Cynthe, I don't think Mr. Bennett's arguments do much to prove the biological effects of low level electromagnetic radiation. He repeatedly refers to himself as a "professional," and encourages his viewers to think he has special qualifications; he's using equipment which measures infrared radiation to highlight differences in temperature. The level of electromagnetic (E-M) radiation that is of most concern in the vicinity of cell phone towers, close to cell phones, and in areas of wi-fi and SmartMeter coverage, is not sufficient to directly cause appreciable tissue heating. Yet, there is evidence that it can cause cellular changes, and there are qualified researchers who have demonstrated reasonable cause for concern. Microwave News (https://microwavenews.com) is a respected source of information regarding the ongoing controversy about the biological hazards of microwave radio frequency energy.
    Thanks for posting the microwave news link here, Karl. It's a great resource. My husband and I have been following it for years.

    The point Mr. Bennett's making (my take) is that human tissue is heated measurably after exposure to cell phone EMF radiation. And it doesn't take very long: 6 minutes. Does it not seem that way to you from the slides he discusses?

    It's commonly understood both in the electrical safety code he cites and among health practitioners that chronic overheating of tissues (ie. inflammation) is destructive to the health.

    He also states that the frequencies of the smart meter aren't low, but very high...levels much in excess of what human beings [and by implication, other creatures] and trees [other plants] can tolerate. I'm not an electrical professional, so I may not have understood his comments correctly...need to watch the video through another time or two, to get the facts right. So much to learn!
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    Re: Petition: Ban all Wireless SmartMeters

    I just called PG&E's 866 number to opt-out. No problem he said, and it'll cost you the $75 etc., etc, and I said I may or may not pay it, if I did it would be under strong protest. No problem he said, if you don't pay you'll be sent to the late collections accounting and they'll deal with you. So now I await my next months bill and see what I'm going to do.

    And thanks to everyone here for their posts on this subject.
    Gary

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    You should've just signed up for the opt-out plan and made no mention of the nonpayment of the potentially unconstitutional fees. I never did and never have paid them.

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