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    Sonoma County to abandon half of west county roads

    Please contact supervisor Carrillo and let him know that it is NOT acceptable for the county to abandon west county roads. Property values will plummet for homes on abandoned roads. When trees fall or a hill slides, locals will be trapped unless the county does its job. I don't get much from county government; this is just about the only thing that I require of them. Let them close parks, libraries and county administration... but they need to maintain the roads that they developed and enticed us all to buy property on.

    Question: if the county abandons a road, do the local residents have the right to charge tolls on the road and restrict access?
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    Re: Sonoma County to abandon half of west county roads

    All Little Issues Have Bigger "Cosmic" Causes...

    Yes, the roads are turning to shreds - and dozens of California State and regional parks are also being put on half-time because of lack of "funds." As any imaginative junior high school student can see, none of these cutbacks would happen in an
    Ideal world. And none of the budget austerity that is presented to us by our elected leaders and the media as necessary is absolutely inevitable - nor should it be considered a function of iron-clad Economic Laws.

    Money is a Commodity, and the rules that determine the creation of Money and Credit, are determined by man's law - which can be amended... Under the present neo-Feudal system of Money-creation, Banks are allowed to create Credit, but State Governments, and the Federal government itself, are not empowered to do so. The irony is that the
    Federal Reserve Bank, a joint-stock Corporation, and the fountain of Credit, and the head of the whole banking system in the United States, received its charter from the Federal government. [in 1914]

    State governments, also, issue charters to State banks - but neither the Federal government, nor State governments are permitted, under the present iniquitous system, to create
    Credit in the name of the People. States should be able to pay the salaries of state employees, and keep vital state institutions like schools, hospitals, libraries, parks, roads - and other infrastructure - functioning properly, for the benefit of the People, without continually running the state budget into deficit.

    States should have the power to simply write checks, against no funds, to pay for every legitimate expense that falls under the heading of "providing for the general welfare." This should apply to every jurisdiction in every State. [The County is a jurisdiction of the State.]

    It is not necessary to burden the people with ever-increasing taxes. Obviously, this is a critical problem everywhere in America now. Witness the woes of Wisconsin...

    The following Amendment to the Federal Constitution, if implemented, could fix the problem, and restore the power of Credit-creation to the governments of the various States. The power to create Credit was vested * in the
    original thirteen States, under the Articles of Confederation, drafted by the revolutionary Continental Congress of 1777.

    [ *A good read on the subject is "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," by Charles Beard, 1913.]

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    How to Bring Economic Democracy to North America

    AMENDMENT XXVIII


    Money and Credit – Congress Asserts Power To Coin Money, and Emit Bills of Credit


    [SECTION 1.] The Congress hereby asserts the power, granted in this Constitution, to coin money, and to regulate the value thereof. And further, to emit non-interest-bearing bills of credit directly through the Treasury Department [ on the Credit, and in the Name of the People ].


    [SECTION 2.] The Congress hereby authorizes the Treasury to issue a sufficient quantity of “dollars” to purchase back the capital stock of the Federal Reserve Bank from the private owners, by eminent domain.


    [SECTION 3.] The Federal Reserve Bank shall henceforth be subsumed into the Treasury, and function as a Sub-Treasury Central Bank of issue. Henceforth they shall be one institution, and be called, formally, the Treasury of the Commonwealth of the United States of America, or commonly, “The Treasury of Commonwealth.”


    [SECTION 4.] The Treasury of Commonwealth, as the fountain-head of Credit-Creation in the nation, shall henceforth issue as Money only non-interest-bearing Notes, and Mint coins of pure Specie, stamped with their weight and fineness. The books, accounts and records of the Treasury shall continually be open to public scrutiny.


    [SECTION 5.] The Treasury of Commonwealth shall honor, and continue to pay (by means of non-interest-bearing notes, and checks) the interest on all outstanding U. S. Treasury Securities, as they come due. There shall be no further issues of Treasury Securities, or Bonds.


    [SECTION 6.] The State Treasury departments, of each of the fifty States, are also hereby empowered, by the same creative principle [ formerly given by charter to banks ] to create Credit within their own jurisdictions, in the form of checks, signed by the State comptrollers, in accordance with appropriations made by the State legislatures, for the purpose of maintaining State institutions, infrastructure, and salaries.


    [SECTION 7.] In accordance with the provisions of this Article, all banks and financial institutions in America shall receive new charters from the Treasury. The Treasury shall henceforth have the unique and sole power within the nation to create Credit – a function formerly granted by the government [ and thus erroneously delegated ] only to Banks. Henceforth private banks may charge interest, to service accounts.


    [SECTION 8.] In Sum, this Article defines, and enhances the powers granted to Congress and the Treasury, under Article I, Section 8, clause 5, of this Constitution. Furthermore, it amends and modifies Article II, Section 10, clause 1, to empower State Treasuries to create [ a limited amount of ] non-inflationary Credit, in the form of check-book money in order to meet the pressing needs of the states.


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    Feel Free to Select, Copy, & make a Word Document of the text between the lines, and post it where you will... e.g., Send it on to Jerry Brown and the Attorney General of the State of California... The more, the Merrier... There are creative Solutions to difficult problems, and this is one that has not been tried, yet.

    - Mark Walter Evans,
    www.paleoprogressives.org

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    Re: Sonoma County to abandon half of west county roads

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    Please contact supervisor Carrillo and let him know that it is NOT acceptable for the county to abandon west county roads. Property values will plummet for homes on abandoned roads. When trees fall or a hill slides, locals will be trapped unless the county does it's job. I don't get much from county government; this is just about the only thing that I require of them. Let them close parks, libraries and county administration... but they need to maintain the roads that they developed and enticed us all to buy property on.

    Question: if the county abandons a road, do the local residents have the right to charge tolls on the road and restrict access?
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    Spam1 wrote: "Let them close parks, libraries and county administration... but they need to maintain the roads that they developed and enticed us all to buy property on."

    So, all you care about is your property?! Forget parks, libraries, etc. as long as YOUR property value is up?!!!!

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    Spam1 wrote: "Let them close parks, libraries and county administration... but they need to maintain the roads that they developed and enticed us all to buy property on."

    So, all you care about is your property?! Forget parks, libraries, etc. as long as YOUR property value is up?!!!!

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    What I care about is having proper priorities. Since half the roads in the west county will be not maintained, and if there is a landslide or a tree down, it will close the road until, presumably, some resident with a back hoe opens it. Many residents are senior citizens who need to rely on the roads. And yes, I put this priority as a first-level, top-priority of county government, above parks, libraries, new administration buildings, generous pensions and just about everything else. Look at the proposed list of roads: Barnett Valley Road, Burnside Road, Harrison Grade, Green Valley Road, Tilton Road, Morelli Lane, Bohemian Hwy, Barlow Lane to name just a few. Are you seriously suggesting that having a county library is more important than keeping the roads passable? If you had to choose only one, would you really choose closing down half the county to travel to keep a library open? Libraries and parks don't do any good if one cannot get to them.
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    What I care about is having proper priorities. ... Are you seriously suggesting that having a county library is more important than keeping the roads passable? If you had to choose only one, would you really choose closing down half the county to travel to keep a library open?.
    the west was opened with privately operated roads. Governments bought them and added to the road network, but many areas were opened privately. So sure, why not have the government provide things like libraries?? Private enterprise will gladly step in for things people need badly enough to pay for. Sounds like you think roads fit that bill.

    Everyone gets their own opinion about what's obviously true. It's not obvious at all that roads are more important. Depends on what you value. Personally, I'd love it if the only paved roads were operated like railroad tracks, and we moved around using feet, horses, bikes and motorcycles.
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    Quote podfish wrote:

    Personally, I'd love it if the only paved roads were operated like railroad tracks, and we moved around using feet, horses, bikes and motorcycles.
    Well, perhaps we will, one day - once the roads revert back to gravel & mud. I've seen roads do that here, in the east County. If that's the Future, it's alright by me...
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    Re: Sonoma County to abandon half of west county roads

    I don't think it should ever become a decision between closing libraries, schools, fire stations, police stations, parks, etc. or roads. Don't we need all of those things?

    For the most part, public roads should remain public roads. Of course there are likely to be some (relatively few) reasonable exceptions.

    In some cases, if some of those access roads in the West County (and elsewhere) ends up becoming “privatized” some people could find themselves being faced with paying more for road use to some private, for-profit, out-of-town entity than they pay in property tax just to go to and from home!
    How would you like to pay a toll at five different tollgates just to go to the store?... ... In both directions?! Even if you have the money, what a PITA!!

    Privatizing public property would be a very slippery slope indeed!

    It just so happens that a very good example of what I'm talking about is; I have actually posted in WacckoReader a link to a video and an article: America for Sale: Is Goldman Sachs Buying Your City?... ...regarding privatization of public property.

    Also, I am no lawyer or anything anywhere near that but I seem to remember some kind of an obscure law that somebody that is a lawyer could possibly point out whereas it is not legal for a county in California to not maintain “maintainable” County roads to the point where the (maintainable county) road/s (to and from people's homes) causes those homes to become literally inaccessible.

    The county is most certainly, legally able to lower the standards considerably and close some roads, but I don't think the county can legally cause and or allow any road access to become completely unusable by at least one way in, and one way out , where there are any recorded (legal) “certificate of occupancy” exists.
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    I don't think it should ever become a decision between closing libraries, schools, fire stations, police stations, parks, etc. or roads. Don't we need all of those things?
    I think you can make a lot better claim to be living in a civilized society if you do provide all those things, but even more than those, provide for a minimal living standard (health, shelter, food) for your population. But I think a lot of people who find it "socialist" to provide what I consider basic humanitarian assistance to non-blood-relatives (also known as "sharing") somehow feel that government should exist to make their lives easier by helping them be "productive". As opposed to them parasites who need excessive services without contributing much. Not trying to tar Spam1 with that - but it's a common enough sentiment in this country these days.

    If government's going to be limited, who gets to choose what's appropriate to cut out? I think you can make a case that if people will pay for a service, let 'm - and have government only do things that don't have clients with both money & the will to spend it. Those who want roads for economic purposes will indeed pay for them. Libraries, public art, and open beaches for the rest of us!
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    I think you can make a lot better claim to be living in a civilized society if you do provide all those things, but even more than those, provide for a minimal living standard (health, shelter, food) for your population. But I think a lot of people who find it "socialist" to provide what I consider basic humanitarian assistance to non-blood-relatives (also known as "sharing") somehow feel that government should exist to make their lives easier by helping them be "productive". As opposed to them parasites who need excessive services without contributing much. Not trying to tar Spam1 with that - but it's a common enough sentiment in this country these days.

    If government's going to be limited, who gets to choose what's appropriate to cut out? I think you can make a case that if people will pay for a service, let 'm - and have government only do things that don't have clients with both money & the will to spend it. Those who want roads for economic purposes will indeed pay for them. Libraries, public art, and open beaches for the rest of us!
    The only way government has money is to take it from people like me at the point of a gun and threat of jail. "People like me" refers to those that pay taxes so you can have your libraries etc. Less than half the people who filed tax returns paid ANY income taxes this year.

    I would be fine to pay for services I need, and feel better yet if everyone else did. I don't particularly want to pay for you to go to the beach. My work doesn't give me the time to go to the beach, so I'm particularly offended when you want to force me to pay for you to go to the beach. If my 20 neighbors and I have to take responsibility for our road, fine. But I want the authority to charge the other 330 users of our road to pay a fee each time they drive on it (most likely to go the beach that you want me to pay for). I get very little from the government for the taxes I pay, which only makes sense because you socialists (your word) can think of so many better things to spend it on yourselves, that there's nothing left to support the basic infrastructure that makes commerce possible. But, if the roads to the free beach is closed, I'm sure we'll hear from you.

    Not everyone who earns a living is evil and did something wrong to get it, in fact mostly, people who earn a good living do it by working far harder than those that don't; and not everyone who needs public assistance is without fault for their situation, in fact mostly they are people who they, or their parents, have made poor choices. And by far the largest class of "rich" are individual business owners who work harder than almost anyone else, provide the jobs for most, and are demonized as selfish by your fellow socialists for not wanting to share all their earnings (most pay marginal rates over 50%, so they are already paying more than half their next dollar to the government) with you, on your pet projects.

    But, at the end of the day, the Supes voted to keep the roads maintained, so there's a happy ending anyway.
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    The only way government has money is to take it from people like me at the point of a gun and threat of jail. ... I'm particularly offended when you want to force me to pay for you to go to the beach.... I get very little from the government for the taxes I pay, which only makes sense because you socialists (your word) can think of so many better things to spend it on yourselves,...Not everyone who earns a living is evil and did something wrong to get it,
    man, the sense of victimization always amazes me. Who says "evil"?? where's the gun?? where's the Christian ethics that so many profess??? I don't recall "help the deserving... the rest of those losers belong to Satan anyway".
    Quote (those) who needs public assistance ... have made poor choices.
    as does the willingness to disrespect the less successful. It's easy to make 'good choices' when they're readily rewarded. Many who persist in 'poor choices' have a counterpart with no greater strength of character, but who's a successful middle-class citizen, because his road was pretty well laid for him.


    This is a stereotyped argument, that comes around and around and around, but just to highlight the points of difference:
    "hard work" is not what's rewarded. Only the hereditary rich can truly sit on their butts and rake it in, but the lifestyle of most of the wealthy actually has a lot less hard work (meaning physically depleting, unpleasant, unrewarding work) than is acknowledged. Yeah, it takes focus and discipline and attention... big deal.

    Much of the lifestyle and infrastructure that makes the lives of those who have good earnings possible is supported by an immense amount of government spending. The guy who gets foodstamps and converts them to cash for beer and cigarettes doesn''t drive on government-provided roads, or fly using a government subsidized airline system to watch sporting events in government-subsidized stadia. He sure doesn't need government-provided security to protect what little property he owns.
    but most of all, the world is run by and for the successful - I guess that's by definition, huh? So if you fit the dominant paradigm, you find support everywhere. If you don't, everything's hard. So if you don't really value time with your family, or have much loyalty to the group you're currently involved with, and have an aptitude for paperwork and the ability to ignore the world as it goes by so you can focus on narrow tasks, you're armed for success. Those who would prefer a society that balanced time spent on tasks necessary for survival - of one self AND for others - against time available for unstructured social, artistic, or creative pursuits, are screwed. They don't live in a world like that. That does not make them less worthy.
    This isn't a personal statement of grievance; I'm not spouting off because of sour grapes. Personally, I fit enough of the traits required by the dominant culture so I've had a fine living in a creative industry. I take advantage of it, but I don't think it's fair to extrapolate that to judge anyone else's merits. I'll go further: in many ways, I'm benefiting from flaws in a society that's way too selfish and willing to see the world's resources go to a few. Any argument that centers on the undeserving nature of those who aren't doing as well seems inherently self-righteous and ethically dubious.
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    Quote Spam 1 wrote:

    "The only way government has money is to take it from people like me at the point of a gun and threat of jail. ... I'm particularly offended when you want to force me to pay for you to go to the beach.... I get very little from the government for the taxes I pay, which only makes sense because you socialists (your word) can think of so many better things to spend it on yourselves..."
    Unfortunately, Joel D, spam 1, you do not get it; though in this, you are not so unique... Money is a commodity, and though it seems to have substance in its hard form, as Coin, it is certainly less substantial in its paper form as Cash and checks. And it is completely fictitious and insubstantial in the form known as Credit.

    Money, in general, is an artificial Substance – created & destroyed, at will, by the Banking System, that has a franchise to operate a Money Monopoly from the Federal government – and thus, indirectly since we permit it, from us; we-uns, the People.

    In truth, and in point of fact, the government[s] – both Federal and State – could create Credit just as easily as your bank created the credit “money” that is your Mortgage; for which you slowly and grudgingly grind your life away. - And because of which, you seldom have the time any more, to have fun! and go to the beach that is so close by...

    The real reason for “the point of a gun and the threat of jail…” that you so justly resent, is to keep you coerced and cowed. It has nothing to do with economic necessity, nor with natural law. It is just a function of the fact that the government has been hijacked by the minions of the power elite. Capische?

    And the Question is not that we must choose between libraries, parks, schools - and every other legitimate service that government can provide - OR roads. If We, the People, could coerce our Government to work for us, rather than for that special interest group known as the “bond-holding class” (i.e. the owners of the "CLASS A," i.e., the preferred stock in the prime banks) we could have the whole enchilada; i.e., a society that works


    I'm going to borrow a phrase from Lennon: Imagine, if you will, an alternative Reality, in which the State of California was empowered, by our hypothetical AMENDMENT XXVIII, to write checks against no funds; a reality in which the highways, byways, schools, libraries, county services, et cetera, et cetera, could all be made to work in the interest of all the people.

    You might call that “Socialism” also, Joel, but it would not be substantially different than the Ideal that Lincoln invoked when he spoke of “…government, of the People, for the People, and by the People.”

    It is a goal worthy of the revolutionaries of 1777. In fact, it was their goal. The causes of the first revolution were all centered around the Issue of money.

    - Mark Walter Evans
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    Re: Sonoma County to abandon half of west county roads

    Besides the fact that all three died unnatural deaths, what did Lincoln, Hitler, & Kennedy have in common?
    Ellen Brown has a big part of the answer in excerpts from:

    THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX:
    HOW A BANKRUPT GERMANY SOLVED ITS
    INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS

    Ellen Brown, August 9th, 2007
    https://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

    "We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
    - Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler's Monetary System," www.rense.com, citing C. C. Veith, Citadels of
    Chaos (Meador, 1949)
    Guernsey wasn't the only government to solve its infrastructure problems by issuing its own money. (See E. Brown, "Waking Up on a Minnesota Bridge," http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/in...ure-crisis.php, August 4, 2007.) A more notorious model is found in post-World War I Germany. When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all the property in the country. Speculation in the German mark had caused it to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. At its peak, a wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty, and huge numbers of homes and farms had been lost to the banks and speculators. People were living in hovels and starving. Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses, and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery to international lenders.

    Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the American Civil War with government-issued paper money called "Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more people.

    Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries were still out of work and living on welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without trade deficits. Germany's economic experiment, like Lincoln's, was short-lived; but it left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway.1

    Hjalmar Schacht, who was then head of the German central bank, is quoted in a bit of wit that sums up the German version of the "Greenback" miracle. An American banker had commented, "Dr. Schacht, you should come to America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied, "You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."2

    Although Hitler has rightfully gone down in infamy in the history books, he was quite popular with the German people, at least for a time. Stephen Zarlenga suggests in The Lost Science of Money that this was because he temporarily rescued Germany from English economic theory — the theory that money must be borrowed against the gold reserves of a private banking cartel rather than issued outright by the government.3

    Economist Henry C K Liu writes of Germany's remarkable transformation:
    The Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, at a time when its economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Yet through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies it could exploit, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.5

    In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented:

    Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 and on, accounting for its startling rise from the depression to a world power in 5 years. Germany financed its entire government and war operation from 1935 to 1945 without gold and without debt, and it took the whole Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German power over Europe and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers. Such history of money does not even appear in the textbooks of public (government) schools today.

    Although you can barely make it out in the reduction below, the distinguishing feature of this maverick bill is its uppermost label "United States Note" in place of "Federal Reserve Note". The series date is 1963, the pivotal year that Kennedy was shot.
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    . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
    - Adolf Hitler, .
    laugh for good reason, no matter who said it.
    As another poster pointed out, money's imaginary. It represents a share in the assets of the society. In ideal theory, you have access to as much money as you "deserve" (the point of contention between social philosophies. Commies say you deserve according to your needs, many silly Americans think they deserve what they've 'earned' - which leads to another term in need of definition). Gold or other substance/object whose quantity is highly constrained can be distributed fairly (another difficult term) and then used as a token. Clearly that's a hack at best - the quantity doesn't change as goods & services are created, and it doesn't flow well to the source of new wealth, mostly because it can only distributed by those who more or less coincidentally have a lot of it at any given point.


    now, as far as this thread goes, the use of gold of interest would be whether it's useful as a paving material. Similar as our county may be to it at times, that only works in Oz. We'd be lucky to be able to use good intentions instead, though I guess that may get us where we're already going in too much of a hurry.
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    Quote Runningbare quoted:

    "….Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the American Civil War with government-issued paper money called "Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a plan of public works…”

    Yes, Well, technically, you are correct, Runningbare; the fact that the Nazis nationalized Credit was the reason for the “economic miracle” that they were able to pull off between 1933 and 1939. But it is not the sort of “success story” I would want to brag about – or point to as some kind of wonderful paradigm.

    There was a seductive and “beautiful side” to the depravity of the Nazi regime. They also held great Pagan festivals - very similar to the old Renaissance Fair at Blackpoint - in which all the mennchen and all the frauleins would dress up in volkish costumes and party, in a pagan fashion, around bonfires well into the night, occasionally slipping off into the woods for a little Party-sanctioned Strength through Joy. Some of you West County folks would have loved it. Here’s a link: https://www.google.com/search?q=Paga...fe=images&tbs=

    If you had been a Jew, however, and had tried to crash one of these “wonderful” pagan festivals, dressed up in the medieval Jewish garb of the ghetto, complete with a yellow bonnet, you might have ended up bound at the stake and roasted in the bonfire, along with some of the non-volkish books they were burning.

    As a “mischling of the second degree,” eighty-five percent of whose extended family was liquidated by the Nazis in occupied Europe during World War II; this one
    would prefer not to point to Adolf Hitler as a great "monetary reformer"! The idea of Nationalizing Credit certainly was not original with Hitler – even among "national socialists" in Germany. When Hitler was sent, by the Wehrmacht, as a military-police spy to join and co-opt the German Workers Party in 1920, the notion was already present among the original seven members of that group, in the mind of Anton Drexler. And Drexler was just a dolt who knew the story about what Abraham Lincoln had done during the American Civil War.

    Question : So, what was it that Abraham Lincoln, who ironically began his political career as a “Henry Clay Whig,” do, because of necessity and exigency, during the American Civil War?

    Answer : Abraham Lincoln issued four hundred and forty-nine million “dollars” of interest-free fiat notes - commonly known as “Greenback Dollars” - to pay for the very heavy burden of the cost of the war to the Union.

    These notes, unlike the Federal Reserve Notes that we currently use as currency were not interest-bearing debts. And, although our present “currency” also has a green back, it is an interest-bearing debt. The Treasury Department must swap an interest-bearing Treasury Bond for every dollar of “cash” that the Federal Reserve Bank prints, on the presses of the Bureau of Engraving & Printing, on the banks of the Potomac. I wrote about this, here: https://www.paleoprogressives.org/pr...h-the-fed.html

    And that is why the National Debt is thirteen trillion, seven hundred eighty billion, five hundred fifty-six million, et cetera, et cetera, as of this morning, and growing, growing, growing… https://www.nationaldebtcounter.us/?...medium=twitter

    The point is : cut the middle-man, the Wall Street Banking Houses, out of the equation. And No, I am not referring "in code" to some alleged "Jewish Bankers' Conspiracy" in this context, children.

    The core of the plutocracy in America, the class that C.Wright Mills termed the ”power elite" -- eighty-eight percent of them - are Anglo-Norman blue-bloods; the families who “Came with the Conqueror,” William I, to Merry old England, in 1066.

    The wealthiest Jew on Wall Street cannot even buy property on Fisher’s Island, off the coast of Mystic, Connecticut, in Long Island Sound. It is exclusively an Anglo-Norman preserve. Bringing Hitler into this discussion really makes things murky. Mercy, please...

    I prefer to refer this discussion back to the Articles of Confederation, which were influenced by the social contract of the Iroquois Confederation. Under the terms of the Articles of Confederation, each of the original thirteen states had the authority to create their own, paper, fiat currency - which was legal tender within the jurisdiction of each state. One could call it "State-issued Wampum." It was wonderful money; without any interest-bearing debt attached to it, and just slightly inflationary, the way the farmers in the west wanted it to be, and for the reasons described here: https://www.muhsd.k12.ca.us/188320624112049607/lib/188320624112049607/2.1_New_Nation.pdf


    AMENDMENT XXVIII does not empower the fifty states to create their own sovereign scripts, as they were able to do under the Articles of Confederation – but it does enable the Treasuries of the several states to create credit and write checks against no funds to pay for the social needs of the sovereign states; which is a necessary, and progressive step in the right direction…

    - Mark Walter Evans
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    Re: Sonoma County to abandon half of west county roads

    Rural Prophethere hailing from Occidental CA...
    Great article... I have been talking about this for a minute. Take care of it ourselves and send them the bil... which would be a tiny percentage of cost since it would be an A+B=SEE process...
    Your Paleo website is hacked or taken back... FYI...

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    All Little Issues Have Bigger "Cosmic" Causes...

    Yes, the roads are turning to shreds - and dozens of California State and regional parks are also being put on half-time because of lack of "funds." As any imaginative junior high school student can see, none of these cutbacks would happen in an
    Ideal world. And none of the budget austerity that is presented to us by our elected leaders and the media as necessary is absolutely inevitable - nor should it be considered a function of iron-clad Economic Laws.

    Money is a Commodity, and the rules that determine the creation of Money and Credit, are determined by man's law - which can be amended... ....

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