Hillary Clinton admits she takes orders directly from CFR!

[someguy]

YouTube - Hillary Clinton admits that the CFR runs the U.S. Department of State


Corporate Members
The following members are listed on the Corporate Roster of the Council on Foreign Relations:[23]
AARP
Access Industries, Inc.
ACE Limited
AEA Investors Inc.
Airbus North America
Alcoa, Inc.
Allied World Assurance Company, Ltd.
American Express Company
Apollo Management, LP
ARAMARK Corporation
Aramco Services Company
Archer Daniels Midland Company
AREVA Inc.
Arnhold and S. Bleichroeder Holdings, Inc.
Arnold & Porter LLP
Baker & Hostetler LLP
Baker Capital Corp.
Baker, Nye Advisers, Inc.
Baldwin-Gottschalk Group, The
Banca d'Italia
Banco Mercantil
Bank of America / Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
Bank of New York Mellon Corporation, The
Barclays Capital
BASF Corporation
Bennett Jones LLP
BGR International
Blackstone Group L.P., The
Bloomberg
BNP Paribas
Boeing Company, The
Booz & Co.
Booz Allen Hamilton Inc.
BP p.l.c.
Bridgewater Associates, Inc.
Bunge Limited
CA
CALYON Corporate and Investment Bank
Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce
Canon, Inc.
Caxton Associates
Chevron Corporation
Chrysler LLC
Cisneros Group of Companies
CIT Group Inc.
Citi
Clarium Capital Management, LLC
Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
CNA Corporation, The
Coca-Cola Company, The
ConocoPhillips Company
Continental Properties
Control Risks Group
Corsair Capital
Covington & Burling
Craig Drill Capital Corporation
Credit Suisse
De Beers
Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
Deere & Company
Deloitte
Deutsche Bank AG
Duke Energy Corporation
DynCorp International
Energy Intelligence Group, Inc.
Eni S.p.A.
Equinox Partners, L.P.
Estee Lauder Companies Inc.
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Federal Express Corporation
Ford Motor Company
Fortress Investment Group LLC
Freeport-McMoRan Copper and Gold Inc.
French-American Chamber of Commerce
Future Pipe Industries, Inc.
General Atlantic LLC
General Electric Company
Gibson Dunn & Crutcher, LLP
GlaxoSmithKline
Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
Google, Inc.
Granite Associates LP
Greenberg Traurig, LLP
Guardsmark LLC
Hemispheric Partners
Hess Corporation
Hitachi, Ltd.
IBM Corporation
Idemitsu Apollo Corporation
Indus Capital Partners, LLC
Intellispace, Inc.
Intesa Sanpaolo
Investcorp International, Inc.
Invus Group, LLC
ITOCHU International
J.E. Robert Companies
Jacobs Asset Management, LLC
Japan Bank for International Cooperation
JETRO New York
Joukowsky Family Foundation
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Kailix Investment Advisors
KBR
Kingdon Capital Management
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Kometal GMBH Austria
Korn/Ferry International
Kuwait Petroleum Corporation
Lazard
Lockheed Martin Corporation
MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings Inc.
Mannheim LLC
Marathon Oil Company
Mark Partners
Mars, Inc.
Marsh & McLennan Companies, Inc.
Marubeni America Corporation
MBIA Insurance Corporation
McGraw-Hill Companies, The
McKinsey & Company, Inc.
MeadWestvaco Corporation
Medley Capital
Medley Global Advisors
Merck & Co., Inc.
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries America, Inc.
Mitsubishi International Corporation
Mitsui USA Foundation
Moody's Investors Service
Moore Capital Management LLC
Morgan Stanley
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP
Munich Re America Corporation
National Interest Security Company
New Media Investments
New York Life International, Inc.
News Corporation, The
Nike, Inc.
NYSE Euronext
Occidental Petroleum Corporation
Olayan Group, The
Oxford Analytica Inc.
PepsiCo, Inc.
Pfizer Inc.
Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman LLP
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP
Principal Financial Group
Prudential Life Insurance Co.
Raytheon Company
Reliance Industries Limited
Resource Holdings, Ltd.
Rho Capital Partners
Rio Tinto
Rockefeller Group International, Inc.
Rohatyn Group, The
Rothschild North America, Inc.
Shell Oil Company
Silver Lake Partners
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP
Sony Corporation of America
Soros Fund Management
Standard & Poor's
Standard Chartered Bank
Starwood Capital Group
Strategic Real Estate Advisors
Sullivan & Cromwell LLP
Tata Group, The
The Nasdaq OMX Group
Thomson Reuters
Time Warner Inc.
Tishman Speyer Properties, Inc.
TOTAL S.A.
Toyota Motor North America, Inc.
Turkish Industrialists' and Businessmen's Association
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
UBS AG
United Technologies Corporation
Veritas Capital LLC
Verizon Communications Inc.
Visa Inc.
Volkswagen of America, Inc.
Vornado Realty Trust
Warburg Pincus LLC
Weber Shandwick Worldwide
Weiss Multi-Strategy Advisors, LLC
Wyoming Investment Corporation
Xerox Corporation
Zephyr Management, L.P.
Ziff Brothers Investments LLC
[edit]Notable current council members

[Hotspring 44]

It's too easy to take something like that short video out of context and blow it out of proportion.

Lots of people tell the . Department of State what they want them to do. that doesn't mean the Department of State literally takes orders from them, or that they (CFR) run the U.S. Department of State.

More evidence of an admission by Hillary Clinton herself is going to be necessary for me to believe that the way the title is stated.

[someguy]

It's too easy to take something like that short video out of context and blow it out of proportion.

Lots of people tell the . Department of State what they want them to do. that doesn't mean the Department of State literally takes orders from them, or that they (CFR) run the U.S. Department of State.

More evidence of an admission by Hillary Clinton herself is going to be necessary for me to believe that the way the title is stated.

YouTube - Hillary Clinton admits that the CFR runs the Government

Heres the full context.

She clearly says that she gets a lot of advice from the CFR, and that she is told what she should be doing and how they should think about the future.

I don't know about you, but I don't think our government should be taking advice from corporations as to how they should run our government.

That doesn't bother you? What if this were Condoleezza Rice giving this speech? Would it bother you then?

[pnicholson]

"....what we should be doing and how to think about the future".

please consider that clinton is addressing a group of amoral people working for complete control over every facet of life. including yours, of course.

for some there are no red flags. no matter what. i find her statement chilling. clinton is in her element in the presence of fellow cfr members. the cfr is in existence for the purpose of setting up world government and reducing the population of the planet by 85%. don't believe me, check it out for yourselves.

there are no ethical members of the cfr. they are the directors of the designed financial crises worldwide, and architects of the homeland security dept, created by legislation originating with cfr hart-rudman commission established in1998 at the urging of pres clinton (cfr) and former house speaker newt gingrich (cfr) and co-chaired by former senators gary hart and warren rudman, both cfr. to achieve their aims the world must be reduced to a giant third world country. i would say they are doing pretty well there. for now.

i think it would be productive for the citizens to have zero tolerance for those few who feel they should be deciding how we all will be living. or if we all will be living.

and you can add to the long list of individual, corporate, and media members, the ACLU. the founder and exec director until 1950, roger baldwin, stated that "i seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. communism is the goal."

the founding party given for baldwin was attended, among others, by norman thomas, future patriarch of the socialist party, elizabeth gurley flynn, future communist party national chairman and agnes smedley, a future soviet espionage agent in china. the top communist party officials who became natl committee members or members of the board of directors include elizabeth gurley flynn, william z. foster, louis budenz, corliss lamont, and scott nearing.

aclu president nadine strossen and past president and exec director anthony d romero are both current members of the cfr. the aclu brings the concept of controlled opposition to a whole new level.

you might want to check out how many members of the 9/11 commission were cfr members. and maybe how many members of the past 4 or 5 administrations were cfr. too many to be a coincidence.

if you do not believe this or simply do not want to believe this, check it out for yourself. do enough research on it that you are satisfied one way or the other. be willing to look at things a different way. create some new synaptic pathways. this is how it is done.

all the best -

YouTube - Hillary Clinton admits that the CFR runs the Government

Heres the full context.

She clearly says that she gets a lot of advice from the CFR, and that she is told what she should be doing and how they should think about the future.

I don't know about you, but I don't think our government should be taking advice from corporations as to how they should run our government.

That doesn't bother you? What if this were Condoleezza Rice giving this speech? Would it bother you then?

[Hotspring 44]

She clearly says that she gets a lot of advice from the CFR, and that she is told what she should be doing and how they should think about the future.

I don't know about you, but I don't think our government should be taking advice from corporations as to how they should run our government.

First of all, I don't think that corporations are the only entities that our government gets advice from.
Second of all I do believe that large corporations per se have too much of the government’s ear, I do agree with that premise.

I do not believe the situation is that the CFR is the boss or anything like that. Instead, I believe large, sometimes multinational corporations and the big-money interests in general are drowning out the rest of the citizens from being able to have their voice heard by our top government officials. Certainly in that sense not much different than the Bush Cheney administration.

But to say or imply that Hillary Clinton is taking orders from them because of what is in that video makes major assumptions, of which there is no proof in the video that it is literally what's actually happening.
Like I stated previously, one can conclude something and make assumptions, but that video by itself doesn't come anywhere near to having enough evidence for that statement to being factual.

That doesn't bother you? What if this were Condoleezza Rice giving this speech? Would it bother you then?

The only reason it would bother me, if Condoleezza Rice was giving the speech is that it would mean that even a worse administration would be in office than what there is now!

But to answer the question as to whether or not it would be enough proof if Condoleezza Rice said the same thing the answer to that would be the same.

[Hotspring 44]

"....what we should be doing and how to think about the future".

please consider that clinton is addressing a group of amoral people working for complete control over every facet of life. including yours, of course.

for some there are no red flags. no matter what. i find her statement chilling. clinton is in her element in the presence of fellow cfr members. the cfr is in existence for the purpose of setting up world government and reducing the population of the planet by 85%. don't believe me, check it out for yourselves.

there are no ethical members of the cfr. they are the directors of the designed financial crises worldwide, and architects of the homeland security dept, created by legislation originating with cfr hart-rudman commission established in1998 at the urging of pres clinton (cfr) and former house speaker newt gingrich (cfr) and co-chaired by former senators gary hart and warren rudman, both cfr. to achieve their aims the world must be reduced to a giant third world country. i would say they are doing pretty well there. for now.

i think it would be productive for the citizens to have zero tolerance for those few who feel they should be deciding how we all will be living. or if we all will be living.

and you can add to the long list of individual, corporate, and media members, the ACLU. the founder and exec director until 1950, roger baldwin, stated that "i seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. communism is the goal."

the founding party given for baldwin was attended, among others, by norman thomas, future patriarch of the socialist party, elizabeth gurley flynn, future communist party national chairman and agnes smedley, a future soviet espionage agent in china. the top communist party officials who became natl committee members or members of the board of directors include elizabeth gurley flynn, william z. foster, louis budenz, corliss lamont, and scott nearing.

aclu president nadine strossen and past president and exec director anthony d romero are both current members of the cfr. the aclu brings the concept of controlled opposition to a whole new level.

you might want to check out how many members of the 9/11 commission were cfr members. and maybe how many members of the past 4 or 5 administrations were cfr. too many to be a coincidence.

if you do not believe this or simply do not want to believe this, check it out for yourself. do enough research on it that you are satisfied one way or the other. be willing to look at things a different way. create some new synaptic pathways. this is how it is done.

all the best -

So are you saying there is a vast left-wing Socialist conspiracy?

[someguy]

But to say or imply that Hillary Clinton is taking orders from them because of what is in that video makes major assumptions, of which there is no proof in the video that it is literally what's actually happening.

Well if her own words aren't proof enough for you, I doubt that any proof will ever suffice. To me, her words are clear and cannot be construed any other way. Her words coupled with the administrations policies are a testament to their devout loyalty to mega-corporations.

" Its good to have an outpost of the council right down the street from the state department, we get a lot of advice from the council so this will mean I won;t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future." - Hillary Clinton

Good luck to you in the future sir. As the future belongs to those who prepare today.

[Hotspring 44]

Well if her own words aren't proof enough for you, I doubt that any proof will ever suffice. To me, her words are clear and cannot be construed any other way. Her words coupled with the administrations policies are a testament to their devout loyalty to mega-corporations.

Maybe so, but the statements by themselves in that video still are not enough proof.

" Its good to have an outpost of the council right down the street from the state department, we get a lot of advice from the council so this will mean I won;t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future." - Hillary Clinton

I did say that the very large corporations, some of which are multinational do have the government ear so much that they're drowning the voices of us citizens out.

I also do think that Hillary Clinton has always been too pal'sey with those types.

But to say that Hillary Clinton or the State Department takes orders from the CRF is something entirely different.

As to whether or not, the State Department is listening to their advice too much I would guess that it likely is.

Hillary Clinton is too egotistical to take orders from anybody except maybe, and I do mean maybe, the president.
I'm sure she is just playing politics with them. I think that a lot of what she said, in that video is typical Boozing Buddy type of political BSing.

Good luck to you in the future sir. As the future belongs to those who prepare today.

That reminds me of survivalist/militia talk from gun toting people that come from places like Northern Idaho.
Prepare for what?... A vast left-wing socialist takeover?... (sarcastic) Yeah right'.

[pnicholson]

there is a vast conspiracy. vast in that it is global. one world government. no middle class. right now we are leaning toward socialism but the final goal has to be totalitarianism. the only way a relatively small group can rule the masses of the planet is by absolute control over ever facet of life.

conspiracy in that it is: a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason

conspiracy is a separate offense, by which someone conspires or agrees with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another federal crime or offense.

and it has more than one face right now. it is not left or right. the division between the parties and party loyalty is by design. the idea being that if the best of the left and the best of the right got together, a tyrannical government would be in trouble. whatever party you vote for, you are voting for 'them'. so two-party system is worse than meaningless. so, no, it is not a left-wing conspiracy. just a conspiracy.

we are experiencing incremental totalitarianism. but along with that must come the reduction of the population. though the earth is actually not at all overcrowded. it is mis-managed.

the goals of our government are closely aligned with the goals of zionism. world domination through tyranny. that's why there are so many zionists in the us govt and other western govts.. i think it was hotspring who mentioned that he was uncomfortable with that. we should all be 'uncomfortable' with that. it is unnatural and as a flag it could not be any redder.

i know - vast conspiracy AND zionism in the same post. holymoly. but one has to deal with what is there to be seen. i find it exhausting and overwhelming. but i refuse to deny what i see to be the truth. find the truth for yourself. and hold on to it. while you are waiting for the next step it may be all you have.

i hope sleep deprivation is not readily apparent in this post.

with kindest regards,
pnicholson

So are you saying there is a vast left-wing Socialist conspiracy?

[Hotspring 44]

"....what we should be doing and how to think about the future".

please consider that clinton is addressing a group of amoral people working for complete control over every facet of life. including yours, of course.

for some there are no red flags. no matter what. i find her statement chilling. clinton is in her element in the presence of fellow cfr members. the cfr is in existence for the purpose of setting up world government and reducing the population of the planet by 85%. don't believe me, check it out for yourselves.

there are no ethical members of the cfr. they are the directors of the designed financial crises worldwide, and architects of the homeland security dept, created by legislation originating with cfr hart-rudman commission established in1998 at the urging of pres clinton (cfr) and former house speaker newt gingrich (cfr) and co-chaired by former senators gary hart and warren rudman, both cfr. to achieve their aims the world must be reduced to a giant third world country. i would say they are doing pretty well there. for now.

i think it would be productive for the citizens to have zero tolerance for those few who feel they should be deciding how we all will be living. or if we all will be living.

and you can add to the long list of individual, corporate, and media members, the ACLU. the founder and exec director until 1950, roger baldwin, stated that "i seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. communism is the goal."

the founding party given for baldwin was attended, among others, by norman thomas, future patriarch of the socialist party, elizabeth gurley flynn, future communist party national chairman and agnes smedley, a future soviet espionage agent in china. the top communist party officials who became natl committee members or members of the board of directors include elizabeth gurley flynn, william z. foster, louis budenz, corliss lamont, and scott nearing.

aclu president nadine strossen and past president and exec director anthony d romero are both current members of the cfr. the aclu brings the concept of controlled opposition to a whole new level.

you might want to check out how many members of the 9/11 commission were cfr members. and maybe how many members of the past 4 or 5 administrations were cfr. too many to be a coincidence.

if you do not believe this or simply do not want to believe this, check it out for yourself. do enough research on it that you are satisfied one way or the other. be willing to look at things a different way. create some new synaptic pathways. this is how it is done.

all the best -

I have always been saying abolish corporate personhood. At least that would be a start, but it certainly is not a cure-all, there is no cure-all.
Another step would be to also completely abolish the Federal Reserve system.

I think a lot of people's resentment towards the government is misguided because it is the private Federal Reserve system that's controlling the money. But they're so good at manipulating us that many have been so duped that a lot of us citizens blame it on "the government".

It seems like creating our own money system has potential, but what about the property; like farms, homes and means of production, for example, that taxes have to be paid to the government for?... ...What would that get paid with if we had our own money system? The government is not known for bartering. but I suppose if one looks back in history far enough, there may be some precedent.

I did do some checking out, and I did discover these videos:

George Hunt:UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population reduction, Bank Scams etc.. 36 min 38 sec
George Hunt:UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population reduction, Bank Scams etc..)


The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America 3 hrs 35 min19,sec
George Hunt:UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population reduction, Bank Scams etc..)

How the Federal Reserve Created the US Recession 4 min 40 sec (this one is really interesting. It shows us how our dollar is only worth 2 cents, and it's not as long as the others.).
The Causes of Us Recession Video ? 5min.com

there is a vast conspiracy. vast in that it is global. one world government. no middle class. right now we are leaning toward socialism but the final goal has to be totalitarianism. the only way a relatively small group can rule the masses of the planet is by absolute control over ever facet of life.

I call that a totalitarian plutocracy.

conspiracy in that it is: a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason

conspiracy is a separate offense, by which someone conspires or agrees with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another federal crime or offense.

It seems to me that if the top lawmakers in the country are actually doing that; we're screwed!

and it has more than one face right now. it is not left or right. the division between the parties and party loyalty is by design. the idea being that if the best of the left and the best of the right got together, a tyrannical government would be in trouble. whatever party you vote for, you are voting for 'them'. so two-party system is worse than meaningless. so, no, it is not a left-wing conspiracy. just a conspiracy.

yes, a conspiracy. I am not so absolutely certain that it is a viable conspiracy. I think there is a flaw in the design (so many involved that it seems like there's more than one direction that it's going in, and no real central source other then the greed in certain individuals whom are taking advantage of the situation. Therefore it is not as strong as it looks it will fragment, wear, and break down just like everything else that people construct does.

we are experiencing incremental totalitarianism….

I have also been noticing that.
When I tell my friends something like the totalitarians within our governing system are methodically "reintroducing slavery”, they think I have mental problems; (different than the ones I actually have).

…but along with that must come the reduction of the population. though the earth is actually not at all overcrowded. it is mis-managed.

That's what the George Hunt:UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population reduction, Bank Scams video I linked to above, discusses.

the goals of our government are closely aligned with the goals of zionism. world domination through tyranny. that's why there are so many zionists in the us govt and other western govts.. i think it was hotspring who mentioned that he was uncomfortable with that. we should all be 'uncomfortable' with that. it is unnatural and as a flag it could not be any redder.

That's what the topics in the; The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America video has in it.

BTW, I am not uncomfortable with you or anybody else saying that about how Zionism and our government are intermingled.
I am uncomfortable with the fact that that is largely unnoticed or unmentioned by many people in our society.
When I or somebody else mentions it, I/we get accused of being anti-Semitic, unpatriotic or some hogwash like that. That's what I'm uncomfortable with. But I don't remember saying anything about being uncomfortable.

I don't remember anything I can think of that I might've said that could have been interpreted as me being uncomfortable with. Maybe it was my mentioning that short video clip was in itself not enough evidence to prove what the title claimed….?

i know - vast conspiracy AND zionism in the same post. holymoly. but one has to deal with what is there to be seen. i find it exhausting and overwhelming. but i refuse to deny what i see to be the truth. find the truth for yourself. and hold on to it. while you are waiting for the next step it may be all you have.

I did seek more information than I had, and I came across those videos, and discovered more information than I can deal with on the subject on just one search, on one Google page!

i hope sleep deprivation is not readily apparent in this post.

with kindest regards,
pnicholson

Not nearly as readily apparent as the way I feel right now. LOL! It's almost 3:30 A.M.!:eek:

Happy trails.:Pocketwlk:

[podfish]

Rice wouldn't have been as up-front about the pressures that she was under to do corporate bidding - probably she didn't even think about it (fish don't notice the water they swim in, as the cliche goes). Clinton's a bit more wide-ranging in her thinking.
Also, "taking" vs. "getting" is a distinction you might want to make. I'm sure they take more advice from corporations than I would like, but there's no reason anyone should fear "getting" advice. Advice from a source that you don't trust is sometimes the most valuable because it reveals some of their thinking.

I don't know about you, but I don't think our government should be taking advice from corporations as to how they should run our government.

That doesn't bother you? What if this were Condoleezza Rice giving this speech? Would it bother you then?

[someguy]

That reminds me of survivalist/militia talk from gun toting people that come from places like Northern Idaho.

Hmmm.... I thought you were genuinely opposed to stereotyping whole groups of people.

[pnicholson]

ha! you win for hiding sleep deprivation the best.

i know we are dealing with very serious subject matter, but what a delightful post from you. you are definitely more organized than i.

i agree with you - abolishing corporate personhood is a very important step. not to be put off any longer. then abolish the corporations. and the
fed. though the fed does not act in isolation. they take orders, too. and not a cure-all, true, but you have to start somewhere or nothing happens except the death of the organism from rampant disease.

from where we are standing right now, the closest thing to a cure-all would be the reinstatement of the constitution. let me re-phrase that: the cure would be the people taking back their government and reinstating the constitution. we are the cure. and fortunately, there are millions of us.

the money system. yes. it is dizzying contemplating a completely new exchange medium. but there are answers. actually there was a time in our country when things were going well in that arena. before income tax, the fed, central banking etc and if i can remember where i read about it i will send it to you. it was not a golden age but a period of balance and reasonable abundance.

yes. we're screwed. big time. but we allowed it to happen. so we are the ones who can undo it. "the evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people" frank kent. complacency and denial have to be shrugged off.. this takeover by the elites has been long in the making and they have been arrogantly open about it. but the bread and circuses they have provided for our distraction and entertainment have done their job well. we are an indoctrinated people. you mentioned that your friends accuse you of having extra mental problems when you speak of such things. that is frustrating, i know. but we are conditioned to not see the elephant in the middle of the room. or if we do see it we are conditioned to not speak of it. we might be ridiculed or even ostracized god forbid. we have been trained to conform. all you can do is plant seeds and treat others the way you would want to be treated. it helps to remember that you are not in this alone. millions of others see what you have seen. and you can always find these people online when you need a reality check. even at 3 am.

again i agree with you - there are flaws in the plans and chinks in the armor. no one can anticipate every possibility. i am grateful that you recognize there are flaws and not someone who feels it is all hopeless. and there are few of them and many of us. i believe we have reached the tipping point in that regard. the hundredth monkey has awakened. (that is not meant as a personal comment).

i know what you mean about being inundated with information. yikes - there is a lot of stuff out there. it's good to balance the info with action. otherwise it is too overwhelming and makes it difficult to be effective.

and thank you for the links. some i have seen and some i have not. i will check them out today.

if i may: a government in any given moment is nothing more than a reflection of the people. bring up to consciousness that part of you that is called 'shadow self'. collectively they tend to take on a life of their own and create governments.

and never never normalize the unthinkable.

it has been a pleasure speaking with you and i look forward to our next visit!

till then - all the best
pnicholson

good links:
INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE. NEWS, COMMENTARY & INSIGHT
OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion
GlobalResearch.ca - Centre for Research on Globalization

I have always been saying abolish corporate personhood. At least that would be a start, but it certainly is not a cure-all, there is no cure-all.
Another step would be to also completely abolish the Federal Reserve system.
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[Hotspring 44]

Hmmm.... I thought you were genuinely opposed to stereotyping whole groups of people.

Maybe it came from another thread.
I was referring to in the other thread that certain things that happen because of the way laws are written become discriminatory and in that; I was referring to racial profiling.

Have you ever heard of survivalist /militia groups from anywhere in the United States that do not tote guns?

If I would have said survivalist/militia group and not mentioned the State would it have made any difference?

Anyway I mentioned Idaho because it is infamous for having survivalist/militia training (and the KKK) camps still today, and also from many years back, and the rhetoric that is commonly used by those groups is very similar to your statement: ("As the future belongs to those who prepare today"). ().

If you want to call that stereotyping that's okay with me.

[Hotspring 44]

P.S. for the sake of accuracy, the emoticon (Smiles) at bottom of my last post () was my input not someguys.

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[someguy]

Maybe it came from another thread.
I was referring to in the other thread that certain things that happen because of the way laws are written become discriminatory and in that; I was referring to racial profiling.

Have you ever heard of survivalist /militia groups from anywhere in the United States that do not tote guns?

If I would have said survivalist/militia group and not mentioned the State would it have made any difference?

Anyway I mentioned Idaho because it is infamous for having survivalist/militia training (and the KKK) camps still today, and also from many years back, and the rhetoric that is commonly used by those groups is very similar to your statement: ("As the future belongs to those who prepare today"). ().

If you want to call that stereotyping that's okay with me.

Well there a lot of other folk who use that type of rhetoric who aren't in militia groups, one of them being me. So, yes it is stereotyping and I'm glad your cool with that.