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    d-cat
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    Some info regarding the Russian situation

    Some info regarding the Russian situation.

    For the past year, I have been reading reports of the US sending arms and advisers to countries surrounding Russia. Putin repeatedly stated that if this continues, Russia will retaliate. Here are a few of those reports:


    Russian president issues warning over U.S. missile defense ahead of G-8
    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19013495/

    Putin issues nuclear threat to Ukraine over plan to host US shield
    https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...3/russia.putin

    Czech missile shield: Russia to 'retaliate' over US plan, President Dmitry Medvedev says
    https://tinyurl.com/5ndzed

    Putin raises spectre of nuclear war in Europe
    https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...cle1878730.ece


    The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government, with a US educated president (who holds press conferences in his own country in English), an Israeli military commander and an Israeli foreign minister.

    Some of the dead in the 8-8-8 attacks on civilians included black soldiers, and also black uniformed soldiers with US insignia (Blackwater?).

    In Zbigniew Brzezinski's book (Obama's handler) The Grand Chessboard, the war plan includes "brushfires" around the Russian border.

    In addition to invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan (with war ships now heading to Iran), I believe that the US and Israel have launched a surprise attack on Russia using Georgia.

    If you have read or are familiar with PNAC's (Project For A New American Century) Rebuilding America's Defenses, a report written up in the late 90s by key members of the current US administration (prior to G.W. Bush even winning an election), you will know that it is WWIII that they are after. The report started circulating after 911 due to the fact that the report states that "a new Pearl Harbor" will be needed to set the process in motion (a part which was deleted on Wikipedia the last time I checked!). The actual PNAC website was online until just a couple months ago, but has now been taken down, but many screenshots and copies are available online.

    For those of you who are not bothered by the US's efforts to take over the world, you should know that this is not being done for the benefit of US citizens or for democracy. Their ultimate goal is to destroy the US and bring in a fascist world government which they refer to as The New World Order.

    Bush Sr. on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVmL2RyYe4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

    Clinton on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM

    Gary Hart on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U

    British PM Gordon Brown on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8

    Kissinger on New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlxtTxJAD4

    BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU

    GEORGIA PRESIDENT Saakashvili on the New World order
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia...new-order.html
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    d-cat
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    ...
    BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU ...
    d-cat, we share some of the same concerns, but regardless of the Star Wars music and the comments of the news babe, Obama didn't say anything menacing. Please. You'll have to do better than this. He didn't mention New World Order. That is Bush's baby, 'member?

    -Jeff
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    d-cat, we share some of the same concerns, but regardless of the Star Wars music and the comments of the news babe, Obama didn't say anything menacing. Please. You'll have to do better than this. He didn't mention New World Order. That is Bush's baby, 'member?

    -Jeff
    If you look into the subject, you will see that the NWO precedes Bush and is being orchestrated from higher up on the power ladder. Good luck.
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    I must strongly take issue with basically every element in your world view. Sorry.

    Georgia is an independent country which has been attacked by a hard line Russian administration. Georgian territory has been violated by Russia in very very clear violation of international law.

    I hate Bush, and I hate the Iraq war, but by every standard of International law the 'Coalition' occupation of Iraq, shady is it is, has infinitely more legitimacy than the Russian attack on Georgia.

    There is a good guy here, Georgia, and a bad, totally fucked and evil side: Russia. Your message puts you in a painful little fringe group.

    Quote Posted in reply to the post by d-cat: View Post
    Some info regarding the Russian situation.

    For the past year, I have been reading reports of the US sending arms and advisers to countries surrounding Russia. Putin repeatedly stated that if this continues, Russia will retaliate. Here are a few of those reports:


    Russian president issues warning over U.S. missile defense ahead of G-8
    https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19013495/

    Putin issues nuclear threat to Ukraine over plan to host US shield
    https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200...3/russia.putin

    Czech missile shield: Russia to 'retaliate' over US plan, President Dmitry Medvedev says
    https://tinyurl.com/5ndzed

    Putin raises spectre of nuclear war in Europe
    https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...cle1878730.ece


    The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government, with a US educated president (who holds press conferences in his own country in English), an Israeli military commander and an Israeli foreign minister.

    Some of the dead in the 8-8-8 attacks on civilians included black soldiers, and also black uniformed soldiers with US insignia (Blackwater?).

    In Zbigniew Brzezinski's book (Obama's handler) The Grand Chessboard, the war plan includes "brushfires" around the Russian border.

    In addition to invading and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan (with war ships now heading to Iran), I believe that the US and Israel have launched a surprise attack on Russia using Georgia.

    If you have read or are familiar with PNAC's (Project For A New American Century) Rebuilding America's Defenses, a report written up in the late 90s by key members of the current US administration (prior to G.W. Bush even winning an election), you will know that it is WWIII that they are after. The report started circulating after 911 due to the fact that the report states that "a new Pearl Harbor" will be needed to set the process in motion (a part which was deleted on Wikipedia the last time I checked!). The actual PNAC website was online until just a couple months ago, but has now been taken down, but many screenshots and copies are available online.

    For those of you who are not bothered by the US's efforts to take over the world, you should know that this is not being done for the benefit of US citizens or for democracy. Their ultimate goal is to destroy the US and bring in a fascist world government which they refer to as The New World Order.

    Bush Sr. on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVmL2RyYe4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

    Clinton on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM

    Gary Hart on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U

    British PM Gordon Brown on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8

    Kissinger on New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlxtTxJAD4

    BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU

    GEORGIA PRESIDENT Saakashvili on the New World order
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia...new-order.html
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    Lenny
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    Now you have confused me!
    The 12 year old and her aunt blame the President of Georgia and thank the Russians for coming into Georgia!
    Obviously George Washington was right: let them boil in their own stew and keep US out of it!
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    Lenny
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    I must strongly take issue with basically every element in your world view. Sorry.
    Georgia is an independent country which has been attacked by a hard line Russian administration. Georgian territory has been violated by Russia in very very clear violation of international law.
    I hate Bush, and I hate the Iraq war, but by every standard of International law the 'Coalition' occupation of Iraq, shady is it is, has infinitely more legitimacy than the Russian attack on Georgia.
    There is a good guy here, Georgia, and a bad, totally fucked and evil side: Russia. Your message puts you in a painful little fringe group.
    PT, I think d-cat is trying to enter into realpolitik and not sit back theorizing which is what we do here mostly.
    The first four sites he gives all are from "reputable" mainstream media, what most rely upon for some sort of "truth and facts". I mean MSNBC, The Guardian, Telegraph, Time all have Putin saying he will point missiles at Europe. You could castigate BushCo for underestimating Russia since one of the article quotes US claiming that Putin is using "rhetorical bellicose" several months ago. It is obvious they were being liberal in their estimation, eh? I can only look at what is presented and Putin is more than capable of doing what he says. Next is Poland? Ukraine? or simply what will stop their national interests, which is what ever Putin says it is, be it oil, gas or European/ US nuclear shield. Won't be the first or second time those Europeans kill each other in that area. They seem to do it with glee and regularly!
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    PeriodThree
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    Re: Some info regarding the Russian situation

    Lenny,

    I agree with you that Putin is a risk. But dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."

    dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,' and he believes that the US is behind that evil.

    I disagree with him.

    Rich



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    PT, I think d-cat is trying to enter into realpolitik and not sit back theorizing which is what we do here mostly.
    The first four sites he gives all are from "reputable" mainstream media, what most rely upon for some sort of "truth and facts". I mean MSNBC, The Guardian, Telegraph, Time all have Putin saying he will point missiles at Europe. You could castigate BushCo for underestimating Russia since one of the article quotes US claiming that Putin is using "rhetorical bellicose" several months ago. It is obvious they were being liberal in their estimation, eh? I can only look at what is presented and Putin is more than capable of doing what he says. Next is Poland? Ukraine? or simply what will stop their national interests, which is what ever Putin says it is, be it oil, gas or European/ US nuclear shield. Won't be the first or second time those Europeans kill each other in that area. They seem to do it with glee and regularly!
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    Lenny
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    Lenny,
    I agree with you that Putin is a risk. But dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."
    dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,' and he believes that the US is behind that evil.
    I disagree with him.
    Rich
    Cool. Around here I thought everyone thought that US is behind ALL the evil in the world! At least that is what SO many posts point to: that or GBushCo.
    And as for the Russians, Z posted a Gorbachov piece explaining their side of the war. And I just heard Condi is going there to tell their president to cut some slack for that rebellious region and leave it to the Russians...so, will see.
    As for the Jews/Israel....as I understand it, that song is often pounded out in Russia for everything that goes wrong everywhere, all the time. Seems to have been a long sung favorite European thing they sing.
    Last edited by Lenny; 08-15-2008 at 02:35 PM.
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    dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia
    no I'm not - I'm looking at the situation.

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    with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."
    I don't see how saying "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government" means I am in favor of Russia and against Georgia.

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    dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,'
    not my label

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    and he believes that the US is behind that evil.
    elements within the govt are part of it, but it's global. Research The Bilderberg Group.
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    d-cat
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    Your message puts you in a painful little fringe group.
    I was already being scoffed as fringe (as if that's bad) with this thread from awhile back. Turned out the fringe was right though.

    https://www.waccobb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25476

    I guess your message then puts you with the masses. I don't need their approval to form my opinions.
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    If you look into the subject, you will see that the NWO precedes Bush and is being orchestrated from higher up on the power ladder. Good luck.
    I'm about 3/4 finished reading The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fourth-R...8847801&sr=8-1

    I've followed all this since 1980 when I joined Your Heritage Protection Association and became a tax protester and all that good stuff.

    Obama seems the candidate the least steeped in all this crap since that time. I had hopes for Clinton, but oh boy! What a disappointment that traitor was and is!

    That said, I do wish Obama had the balls to dump the "old guard" military creeps. I suppose that would put him in the grave alongside JFK, but None Dare Call it Conspiracy, right?

    -Jeff
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    d-cat
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    I'm about 3/4 finished reading The Rise of the Fourth Reich.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fourth-R...8847801&sr=8-1

    I've followed all this since 1980 when I joined Your Heritage Protection Association and became a tax protester and all that good stuff.

    Obama seems the candidate the least steeped in all this crap since that time. I had hopes for Clinton, but oh boy! What a disappointment that traitor was and is!

    That said, I do wish Obama had the balls to dump the "old guard" military creeps. I suppose that would put him in the grave alongside JFK, but None Dare Call it Conspiracy, right?

    -Jeff

    Wow. If that book doesn't cover him, look into Prescott Bush (dubya's grandaddy). Search the name together with the word 'nazi' for a few surprises
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    d-cat
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    Georgia is an independent country which has been attacked by a hard line Russian administration. Georgian territory has been violated by Russia in very very clear violation of international law.
    Many here are focused on the excuse given for the attack.

    If the US/Israel backed Georgia had indeed attacked Russia as I believe, then they might use local hotspots for their "brushfires" and have their media focus on that, keeping the public clueless.

    The cold war was over and the region had been relative stable. Then recently the US starts putting missiles in Russia's bordering countries. This leaves Russia vulnerable to a nuclear attack without the ability to respond. As you can see from the articles, Russia didn't like that and gave warnings. Why would the US do this? I believe it's because they wish to attack Russia and start WWIII. Why do I believe this? Because I am aware of PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses document.


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    I hate Bush, and I hate the Iraq war...
    Did you know they can actually put you away in prison for saying that now? Look into the (Democratically sponsored) Homegrown Terrorism Bill. Or search "arrested + anti-war" then add t-shirt or sign or whatever.

    Want to know a really scary one? NSPD-51.
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    Lenny
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    Many here are focused on the excuse given for the attack.
    If the US/Israel backed Georgia had indeed attacked Russia as I believe, then they might use local hotspots for their "brushfires" and have their media focus on that, keeping the public clueless.
    The cold war was over and the region had been relative stable. Then recently the US starts putting missiles in Russia's bordering countries. This leaves Russia vulnerable to a nuclear attack without the ability to respond. As you can see from the articles, Russia didn't like that and gave warnings. Why would the US do this? I believe it's because they wish to attack Russia and start WWIII. Why do I believe this? Because I am aware of PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses document.
    Did you know they can actually put you away in prison for saying that now? Look into the (Democratically sponsored) Homegrown Terrorism Bill. Or search "arrested + anti-war" then add t-shirt or sign or whatever.Want to know a really scary one? NSPD-51.
    And now that we "know" they can put me in prison for saying "Bush is a punk", what good is it? Scream, yell? Protest? Buy guns, butter? Have they put him in prison?
    Spreading fear is not the way, and that is much of what this crappola does. But it does tickle the ears. This esoteric bladerdash comes down to very few things: what can one do? And if you believe in voting, find those with integrity and as much honesty as possible and support them. Now folks, such as displayed here, don't think voting matters, so next on the agenda is what...axe handles, tourches and scythes? Stupid. As that will lead to real blood, a la France, 1793, which is what some desire, then "order" will be imposed. Too many claim BushCo has, or is doing that, imposing a type of Marshall law. No, he's not, but he is setting it up for others to do so, maybe. That is why we need folks of integrity, virtue, and all that good etc stuff. I find those that claim BuschCo has done this suspect; OOH, yes, he has set up such a machine capable of denying rights but that was due to his perception of war. And I mean war in a generic term, not simply national wars in Afghanistan & Iraq. Maybe the reason he believes that is because war was declared by NGOs headed by Bin Laden & Co prior to killing 3,000 on our soil. And NO, BushCo has not actually done what these "spooky" conspiratorial buffs are pushing, a secret plan for totalitarian power over you and me. Yes, a few folks have had their liberties curtailed, and no doubt it is outside someone's perception of Constitutional law. Oh, and yes, some folks will get hurt in the fracas, mostly due to ineptness of individuals, but over all it is still reasonable.
    As hitting & touching me is against the law, and I point a gun at you, can you disarm me, non-verbaly? Poor analogy, but I am scrapping the barrel bottom for understanding the stautus of US and putting it in some kind of light that is not turned on by Chicken Little.
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    Have recently learned of the illuminati........rings true to me. mindy

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    Lenny,

    I agree with you that Putin is a risk. But dcat is specifically arguing in favor of Russia, and against Georgia with the claim that "The government of Georgia is a US/Israeli puppet government."

    dcat believes in an overarching evil he labels 'the new world order,' and he believes that the US is behind that evil.

    I disagree with him.

    Rich
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    PeriodThree
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    Poor analogy, but I am scrapping the barrel bottom for understanding the stautus of US and putting it in some kind of light that is not turned on by Chicken Little.
    From my perspective you've captured it well. Bush and Company have done some really bad things, but our day to day lives are still very free.

    As you point out, the mechanisms for more control now exist, but democracy is nowhere near dead.

    The Supreme Court has handed down a serious of major rebukes of his legal strategies, and it is possible that our checks and balances may be kicking in.

    At least, my optimistic side wants to hope so!
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    Here's an opinion by Reagan's assistant treasury secretary and a former member of a military think tank. He is fairly well informed on geopolitics.

    President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?
    By Paul Craig Roberts
    8-16-08

    The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war.

    Back in the Reagan years the National Endowment for Democracy was created as a cold war tool. Today the NED is a neocon-controlled agent for US world hegemony. Its main function is to pour US money and election-rigging into former constituent parts of the Soviet Union in order to ring Russia with American puppet states.

    The neoconservative Bush Regime used the NED to intervene in Ukrainian and Georgian internal affairs in keeping with the neoconservative plan to establish US-friendly and Russia-hostile political regimes in these two former constituent parts of Russia and the Soviet Union.

    The NED was also used to dismember the former Yugoslavia with its interventions in Slovakia, Serbia, and Montenegro.

    Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, told the Washington Post in 1991 that much of what the NED does "today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."

    The Bush Regime, having established a puppet, Mikhail Saakashvili, as president of Georgia, tried to bring Georgia into NATO.

    For readers too young to know, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was a military alliance between the US and Western European countries to resist any Soviet move into Western Europe [and to ensure European countries lined up behind the US, and bought its weapons systems. Editors] . There has been no reason for NATO since the Soviet Union's internal political collapse almost two decades ago. The neocons turned NATO into another tool, like the NED, for US world hegemony. Subsequent US administrations violated the understandings that President Reagan had reached with Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, and have incorporated former parts of the Soviet empire into NATO. The neocon goal of ringing Russia with a hostile military alliance has been proclaimed many times.

    Western European members of NATO balked at the admission of Georgia, as they understood it as a provocative affront to Russia, on whom Western Europe is dependent for natural gas. Western Europeans are also disturbed at the Bush Regime's intentions to install ballistic missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic as the consequence will be Russian nuclear cruise missiles targeted on European capitals. Europeans don't see the advantage of helping the US block Russian nuclear retaliation against the US at the expense of their own existence. Ballistic missile defenses are not useful against cruise missiles.

    Every country is tired of war except for the US. War, including nuclear war, is the neoconservative strategy for world hegemony.

    The entire world, except for Americans, knows that the outbreak of armed conflict between Russian and Georgian forces in South Ossetia was entirely due to the US and its Georgia puppet, Saakashvili. Americans, alone in the world, are unaware that the hostilities were initiated by Saakashvili, because Bush, Cheney and the Israeli-occupied American media have again lied to them.

    Everyone else in the world knows that the unstable and corrupt Saakashvili, who proclaims democracy and runs a police state, would not have taken on Russia by attacking South Ossetia unless given the go-ahead by Washington.

    The purpose of the Georgian attack on the Russian population of South Ossetia is twofold:

    To convince Europeans that their action in delaying Georgia's NATO membership is the cause of "the Russian aggression" and that to save Georgia from conquest Georgia must be given NATO membership.

    To ethnically cleanse South Ossetia of its Russian population. Two thousand Russian civilians were targeted and killed by the US-equipped and trained Georgian Army, and tens of thousands fled into Russia. Having achieved this goal, Saakashvili and his puppet-masters in Washington quickly called for a cease fire and a halt to "the Russian invasion." The hope is that the Russian population will be afraid to return or can be prevented from returning, thus removing the secessionist threat.

    No doubt the Bush Regime can con the American population, just as it did with Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, Iranian nukes, and 9/11 itself, but the rest of the world is not buying it, not even America's bought-and-paid-for European allies.

    Writing in the Asia Times, Ambassador M. K. Bhadrakumar, a former career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service, notes the disinformation that is being peddled by the Bush Regime and the US media and reports that "at the outbreak of violence, Russia had tried to have the United Nations Security Council issue a statement calling on Georgia and South Ossetia to immediately lay down weapons. However, Washington was disinterested."

    Amb. Bhadrakumar notes that the American and Georgian resort to violence and propaganda has brought an end to the Russian government's belief that diplomacy and good will can bring about a settlement of the South Ossetia issue. If Russia wished, Russia could terminate Georgia's existence as a separate country at will, and there is nothing the US could do about it.

    It is certain that the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia was a Bush Regime orchestrated event. The American media and the neocon think tanks were ready with their propaganda blitzes. Neocons had ready a Wall Street Journal editorial page article for Saakashvili that declares "the war in Georgia is a war for the West."

    Faced with the collapse of his army when Russia sent in troops to protect South Ossetians from the Georgian troops, Saakashvili declared: "This is not about Georgia any more. It is about America, its values."

    The neocon Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., quickly called a conference hosted by warmonger Ariel Cohen, "Urgent! Event: Russian-Georgian War: A Challenge for the U.S. and the World."

    The Washington Post hosted neocon Robert Kagen's war drums, "Putin Makes His Move."

    Only a fool like Kagen could think that if Putin intended to invade Georgia he would do so from Beijing, or that after sending the American-trained Georgian army in flight, he would not continue and conquer all of Georgia in order to put an end to American machinations on Russia's most sensitive border, machinations that are likely to eventually end in nuclear war.

    The New York Tiimes hosted Billy Kristol's rant, "Will Russia Get Away With It?" Kristol thunders against "dictatorial and aggressive and fanatical regimes" that "seem happy to work together to weaken the influence of the United States and its democratic allies." Kristol presents a new axis of evil--Russia, China, North Korea and Iran--and warns against "delay and irresolution" that "simply invite future threats and graver dangers."

    In other words, "attack Russia now."

    Dick Cheney, the insane American Vice President telephoned Saakashvili to express US solidarity with Georgia in the conflict with Russia and declared: "Russian aggression must not go unanswered. Only an idiot would tell Saakashvili anything other than "to cease immediately."

    What must be the effect on US Intelligence services and the US military of Cheney's propagandistic and irresponsible statement of US support for Georgia's war crimes? Does anyone really believe that the CIA or any US intelligence service told the vice president that Russia opened the conflict with an invasion? Russian troops arrived in South Ossetia after thousands of Ossetians had been killed by the Georgian attack and after tens of thousands of Ossetians had fled into Russia to escape the Georgian attack. According to news reports, Russian forces have captured Americans who were with the Georgian troops directing their attack on civilians.

    The US military certainly has no resources for a war against Russia on top of lost wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and a planned war with Iran.

    With its Georgian venture, the Bush Regime is guilty of a new round of war crimes. What will be the consequence?

    Many will reply that having got away with 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, and with its preparations for attacking Iran, the Bush Regime will get away with its Georgian venture as well.

    Possibly, however, this time the Bush Regime has overreached.

    Certainly Russia now recognizes that the US is determined to exert hegemony over Russia and is Russia's worst enemy.

    China realizes the US threat to its own energy supply and, thereby, economy.

    Even America's European allies, chafing under their role of supplying troops for America's Empire, must now realize that being an American ally is dangerous and has no benefits. If Georgia becomes a NATO member and renews its attack on South Ossetia, it must drag Europe into a war with Russia, a main supplier of energy to Europe.

    Moreover, if Russian troops are sent across European frontiers, there is nothing to stop them.

    What does America offer Europe, aside from the millions of dollars it pays to buy off Europe's political leaders to insure that they betray their own peoples? Nothing whatsoever.

    The only military threat that Europe faces comes from being dragged into America's wars for American hegemony.

    The US is financially bankrupt, with budget and trade deficits that exceed the combined deficits of the rest of the world together. The dollar has wilted. The American consumer market is dying from the offshoring of American jobs and, thereby, incomes, and from the wealth effect of the real estate and derivatives collapses. The US has nothing to offer Europe. Indeed, American economic decline is killing European exports by driving up the value of the euro.

    America long ago lost the moral high ground. Hypocrisy has become America's best known hallmark. Bush, the invader of Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of lies and deception, thunders at Russia for coming to the defense of its peacekeepers and Russian citizens in South Ossetia. Bush who ripped Kosovo out of Serbia's heart and handed it to the Muslims, has taken an adamant stand against other separatist movements, especially the South Ossetians who wish to be part of the Russian Federation.

    The neoconned Bush Regime is furious that the Russian bear was not intimidated by the US supported aggression of the American puppet state, Georgia. Instead of accepting the act of American hegemony that the neocon script called for, Russia sent the Americanized Georgian army fleeing in fear.

    Having failed with weapons, the Bush Regime now unleashes the rhetoric. The White House is warning Russia that failure to acquiesce to US hegemony could have a "significant, long-term impact on relations between Washington and Moscow."

    Do the morons who comprise the Bush Regime really not understand that short of a surprise nuclear attack on Russia there is nothing whatsoever the US can do to Moscow?

    The Bush Regime owns no Russian currency that it can dump. The Russians own US dollars.

    The Bush Regime owns no Russian bonds that it can dump. The Russians own US bonds.

    The US can cut Russia off from no energy supplies. Russia can cut America's European allies off from energy.

    President Reagan negotiated the end of the cold war with Soviet President Gorbachev.,The neoconservatives, whom Reagan fired and drove from his administration, were furious. The neocons had hoped to win the cold war, thereby establishing American hegemony.

    The Republican Establishment reestablished its hegemony under Bush 1st that it had lost to Ronald Reagan. With this feat, intelligence was driven from the Republican Party.

    The neocons engineered their comeback with the First Gulf War and their propaganda, pure lies, that Iraqi troops bayoneted Kuwait babies in hospitals.

    The neocons made a further comeback with President Clinton, whom they convinced to bomb Serbia in order to permit separatist movements to become independent states dependent on America.

    With Bush 2nd, the neocons took over. Their agenda, American world hegemony, includes Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

    So far the schemes of these ignorant and dangerous ideologues have come a cropper. Iraq, formerly in the hands of secular Sunnis who were a check on Iran, is, after the American invasion and occupation, in the hands of religious Shi'ites allied with Iran.

    In Afghanistan, the Taliban are resurgent, and a large NATO/US army there is unable to control the situation.

    One consequence of the neocons' Afghan war has been the loss of power of the American puppet president of Pakistan, a Muslim country armed with nuclear weapons. The puppet president now faces impeachment, and the Pakistani military has informed the Americans to stop conducting military operations in Pakistani territory.

    The American puppets in Egypt and Jordan might be next to fall.

    In Iraq, the Shi'ites, having completed their ethnic cleansing of Sunnis from neighborhoods, have declared a cease fire in order to contradict the US propaganda that American withdrawal would lead to a blood bath. Negotiations on withdrawal dates are now underway between the Americans and the Iraqi government, which is no longer behaving like a puppet.

    Last year Hugo Chavez ridiculed Bush before the UN. Russia's Putin ridiculed Bush as Comrade Wolf.

    On August 12, 2008, Pravda ridiculed Bush, "Bush: Why don't you shut up."

    Americans may think they are a superpower before whose presence the world trembles. But not the Russians.

    Those Americans stupid enough to think that America's "superpower" insures its citizens from danger need to read the total contempt shown for President Bush in Pravda:

    "President Bush,

    Why don't you shut up? In your statement on Monday regarding the legitimate actions of the Russian Federation in Georgia, you failed to mention the war crimes perpetrated by Georgian military forces, which American advisors support, against Russian and Ossetian civilians

    "President Bush,

    Why don't you shut up? Your faithful ally, Mikhail Saakashvili, was announcing a ceasefire deal while his troops, with your advisors, were massing on Ossetia's border, which they crossed under cover of night and destroyed Tskhinvali, targeting civilian structures just like your forces did in Iraq.

    "President Bush,

    Why don't you shut up? Your American transport aircraft gave a ride home to thousands of Georgian soldiers from Iraq directly into the combat zone.

    "President Bush,

    Why don't you shut up? How do you account for the fact that among the Georgian soldiers fleeing the fighting yesterday you could clearly hear officers using American English giving orders to "Get back inside" and how do you account for the fact that there are reports of American soldiers among the Georgian casualties?

    "President Bush,

    Why don't you shut up? Do you really think anyone gives any importance whatsoever to your words after 8 years of your criminal and murderous regime and policies? Do you really believe you have any moral ground whatsoever and do you really imagine there is a single human being anywhere on this planet who does not stick up his middle finger every time you appear on a TV screen?

    Do you really believe you have the right to give any opinion or advice after Abu Ghraib? After Guantanamo? After the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? After the torture by CIA operatives?

    Do you really believe you have any right to make a statement on any point of international law after your trumped-up charges against Iraq and the subsequent criminal invasion?

    "President Bush,

    Why don't you shut up? Suppose Russia for instance declares that Georgia has weapons of mass destruction? And that Russia knows where these WMD are, namely in Tblisi and Poti and north, south, east and west of there? And that it must be true because there is 'magnificent foreign intelligenc' such as satellite photos of milk powder factories and baby cereals producing chemical weapons and which are currently being 'driven around the country in vehicles'? Suppose Russia declares for instance that 'Saakashvili stiffed the world' and it is 'time for regime change'?

    Nice and simple, isn't it, President Bush?

    "So, why don't you shut up? Oh and by the way, send some more of your military advisors to Georgia, they are doing a sterling job. And they look all funny down the night sight, all green."

    The US is not a superpower. It is a bankrupt farce run by imbeciles who were installed by stolen elections arranged by Karl Rove and Diebold. It is a laughing stock, that ignorantly affronts and attempts to bully an enormous country equipped with tens of thousands of nuclear weapons.

    Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.
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    Have recently learned of the illuminati........rings true to me. mindy
    Alanora (euphonically pleasant name)
    There are a lot of those types of esoteric societies around that are pushed real hard by "certain types". As I've blathered there's nothing one may "do" after reading about all of them, from the Da Vinci Code guys (very enjoyable book, movie was the worst) to Tri Lateral Commission and others.
    Someone mentioned NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY by Gary Allen, which you might find at a used book store for less than a dollar. Shouldn't pay more. I was surprised to see it mentioned here on Wacco, as that is hated by many progressive-type folks. I would strongly suggest that the last book you just read about the Illuminati be THE LAST book you read on such tripe. But if you think you must, then read this one, and let THAT be your last one on the issue. They do go on!
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    BBC Video Proves Georgia to Blame for Hostilities
    news report from 08/06/08 (written in the rest of the world as 06/08/08 - day/month/year), two days before Russian "attack"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1f0_hGSUwk


    Russia seizes US arms cache in Georgia
    https://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020602


    former German Chancellor Schroeder blames ‘gambler’ Saakashvili for conflict
    https://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29100


    Israel Mercenary Says*Georgian Attack Was Suicide
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%...3278%2C00.html


    Fox News cuts American child for thanking Russian troops
    Russia Today report (Russia's CNN)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptVAbw5oos


    Bush Meets with Saakashvili in March 2008
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK10WKJKP1A


    Do You Believe This Man?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eOy2IRrGDE


    here we go...

    U.S. Tells Russia to Remove Forces From Georgia
    https://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/ajqe2gk5_wak

    Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ield-deal.html
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    Phooph, thanks for posting this. The guy has great credentials since he walked that walk. I've got to wonder about his axe to grind. It is clear that he hates 'neocons' even though they were spawned under Reagan's regime. (actually from the 1972 Democratic Party that lost the election to Nixon from one account)
    But I just don't know whose lies to believe!?
    One side says "20,000 civilians Ossetia civilians" were killed and upon Russia to come save them. And yet Georgians claim 'No, not true'.
    Don't know, but at times I know I've been ready to carve off Texas and return it to Mexico. Los Angeles too. But then that is only my feelings. Not rationale. Tough to discern what's right.

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    Here's an opinion by Reagan's assistant treasury secretary and a former member of a military think tank. He is fairly well informed on geopolitics.
    President Bush, Will You Please Shut Up?
    By Paul Craig Roberts
    8-16-08
    The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war. ...
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    Listening to reporters for the BBC and NPR who are in East Ossetia, the consensus seems to be that the Georgians attacked first and destroyed much of the capital city killing a couple thousand people and driving out many of the inhabitants. Then the Russians came in and wreaked more havoc in driving out the Georgians, including ethnic Georgians who were inhabitants. The East Ossetians seem more predisposed to the Russians and would rather be a part of Russian than a part of Georgia, except, that is, the native Georgians. This looks to be repeat of other conflicts where a mixed population has been forced to sort themselves into ethnic enclaves.

    Roberts accomplishments are noteworthy. The wikipedia site on him misses a lot of what he has done. He is former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, contributing editor of the National Review and helped run the Treasury department for President Reagan where he won himself the title "The Father or Reaganomics." He has held the William E Simon Chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and was Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University (a strategic defense think tank) and a fellow of the Cato Institute. He is also a regular contributor to The American Conservative magazine. Not a lefty by any means, he believes the neocons have betrayed the conservative agenda and all but destroyed the Republican party. The neocons were actually spawned under Nixon and matured in the Reagan Adminstration where they were largely marginalized from policy making positions. They were ridiculed by Bush 1, frustrated by Clinton and finally able to seduce Bush 2 with promises of making him a more famous president than his father if he were to get rid of Saddam and "bring democracy" to Iraq. One might say they have succeeded in making him more famous but is is the kind of fame a president wants? W being W he probably sees himself just as the fantasy dictates.

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    Phooph, thanks for posting this. The guy has great credentials since he walked that walk. I've got to wonder about his axe to grind. It is clear that he hates 'neocons' even though they were spawned under Reagan's regime. (actually from the 1972 Democratic Party that lost the election to Nixon from one account)
    But I just don't know whose lies to believe!?
    One side says "20,000 civilians Ossetia civilians" were killed and upon Russia to come save them. And yet Georgians claim 'No, not true'.
    Don't know, but at times I know I've been ready to carve off Texas and return it to Mexico. Los Angeles too. But then that is only my feelings. Not rationale. Tough to discern what's right.
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    Phooph, thanks for posting this. The guy has great credentials since he walked that walk. I've got to wonder about his axe to grind.
    Thanks, Phooph. Lenny, Paul Craig Roberts pops up once in a while over at https://www.lewrockwell.com/ . He always seems to make sense to me over the last couple of years. I can't find an axe. He's been there, done that, and what he sees it becoming is making him sick. I like him.
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    Thanks, Phooph. Lenny, Paul Craig Roberts pops up once in a while over at https://www.lewrockwell.com/ . He always seems to make sense to me over the last couple of years. I can't find an axe. He's been there, done that, and what he sees it becoming is making him sick. I like him.
    Twice Craig refers to "the Israeli-occupied American media". I've not heard that kind of rhetoric in a long while, like since The Daily Worker; or by anyone who has been that high up in the halls of power. I am shocked to see such, and twice!
    It's easy to kick any lame duck president, but I am glad to see the neocons get their comeupance.
    While playing around for the origin of the neo-cons Wiki had this guy:
    Irving Kristol (the Godfather of Neo Cons) suggests of himself, "Ever since I can remember, I've been a neo-something: a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-liberal, a neo-conservative; in religion a neo-orthodox even while I was a neo-Trotskyist and a neo-Marxist. I'm going to end up a neo-that's all, neo dash nothing."[7]

    And this is the guy that created, packaged and sold the idea to BushCo. Interesting read.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

    The neoconned Bush Regime and the Israeli-occupied American media are heading the innocent world toward nuclear war.
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    Wikipedia is not a good source for that type of info.

    See Who's Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign
    https://www.wired.com/politics/onlin...8/wiki_tracker
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    I had hopes for Clinton, but oh boy! What a disappointment that traitor was and is!
    These well-informed lads feel the same about Nancy Pelosi - and tell her straight to her face!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_uNIVU5Wns
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    Bush Sr. on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pVmL2RyYe4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

    Clinton on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzUkhKaNylM

    Gary Hart on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r7htckec-U

    British PM Gordon Brown on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmj8RM5Kr8

    Kissinger on New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZlxtTxJAD4

    BARACK OBAMA on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHEPY6QjgU

    GEORGIA PRESIDENT Saakashvili on the New World order
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia...new-order.html
    Hey d-cat, you're forgetting someone!

    Ron Paul on the New World Order
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

    Help Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty reach its goal of 100,000 members by September 2 by signing up on his new website:
    https://www.campaignforliberty.com/

    And visit:
    https://www.dailypaul.com/


    Ron Paul's book came out in April and was #1 on both Amazon and the NYT bestseller list

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    They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers. . . call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order.
    Ya made me look. Lotsa gems from that guy including this one:

    True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

    Lots more here:

    https://www.knowprose.com/node/12218

    Perhaps we should email one of these quotes a day to G. W..

    Oh, by the way, how do you like the way(s) Bush and Co. are responding to this thing in Georgia? Bold, eh? Paper tiger, that US?

    Oh, and those missiles in Poland. What a great idea! Good timing too.

    -Jeff
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