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    Vaxxed v. Unvaxxed: Lawsuit Seeks to Protect From Discrimination Based on Vaccine Status


    Vaxxed v. Unvaxxed: Lawsuit Seeks to Protect Americans
    From Discrimination Based on Vaccination Status


    By Greg Glaser, Esq.
    01/06/21

    In a federal complaint filed last month in the U.S. District Court of California, constitutional litigators Greg Glaser and Ray Flores presented results of a pilot study showing unvaccinated adults and children are healthier than their vaccinated counterparts.


    On George Washington’s birthday, Feb. 22, constitutional litigators Greg Glaser and Ray Flores will be in federal court in Sacramento to request an order immediately protecting all Americans from discrimination based on vaccination status.

    Glaser and Flores represent The Control Group, which is a recently completed pilot survey of unvaccinated Americans showing 1,248% better health for unvaccinated adults and 1,099% better health for unvaccinated children.

    In the federal complaint filed December 2020 in the U.S. District Court of California — Eastern District, Sacramento, Glaser and Flores state:

    “As a matter of national security, this constitutional case is respectfully brought by scientifically focused patriotic Americans, including United States military family members. The American population is currently in the process of being decimated by chronic illness, due to injured and dysfunctional immune systems … The Control Group dataset provides profound proof that vaccine exposure is in fact the primary cause of this nation’s current public health crisis.”

    According to Glaser, here is the case in a nutshell:

    “America is dying from the current trajectory of chronic illness. Our Control Group pilot survey proved it is the vaccines causing our nation’s demise. And even the government’s own admissions make it clear vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. There is no single agency such as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that can be petitioned to heal the whole nation, nor a single law such as SB277 that can be overturned to heal this nation from the current trajectory. That is why Ray Flores and I are requesting comprehensive relief in the form of an executive order preventing discrimination based on vaccination status. If we prevail, then every American will be protected from mandatory vaccination.”




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    Glaser said he believes this case is the most comprehensive presentation of evidence to date on vaccine harm. For example, Glaser and Flores have 400+ top-level science exhibits offered for judicial notice, which requires the court to accept certain statements made by government officials and other authoritative sources. A key goal of this judicial notice technique is to help shift the legal burden to the state to prove vaccine safety. According to Glaser, because the State has no vaxxed versus unvaxxed study, the state cannot meet its legal burden.

    Judicial Notice #1 connects all these chronic illnesses (i.e., digestive disorders, diabetes) to the immune system with the most authoritative citations on the planet.

    Judicial Notice #2 shows that vaccines are dangerous and untested — once again all of these are authoritative citations the government cannot dispute.
    And Judicial Notice #3 shows how vaccines are made and distributed through communist China.

    Because the evidence is so voluminous, Glaser and Flores also filed infographics (demonstrative evidence) to help showcase some of the main points: Health Crisis In America, Vaccines Are Dangerous, Vaccines Are Made In Communist China.

    A great deal of the complaint is devoted to insisting that control groups are necessary to the scientific method, and the court’s job is to preserve this particular vital evidence necessary to rescue America from the current trajectory of chronic illness.

    Some evidence highlights from the case include:


    • National data of vaccinated children show approximately 54% have a chronic health condition. But in The Control Group of unvaccinated children, the number is only 6%. That means vaccination causes an 800% increased risk of chronic illness in children. This has now been proven with a 99% confidence interval. Moreover, this pattern is repeated over and over in The Control Group data with 99% confidence: diabetes (0% in the unvaccinated Control Group v. 10% in the vaccinated), digestive disorders (0.4% in the unvaccinated v. 18% in the vaccinated), ADHD (0.47% in the unvaccinated v. 9.4% in the vaccinated).
    • The Control Group provides numerical proof that vaccines are causing chronic illness. For example, the p-value (probability or odds) that the excess health conditions seen in the vaccinated population under the age of 18 are not due to vaccine exposure is 1 in 84,721,527,559,728,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
    • The calculated Pearson correlation coefficient shows a “very high correlation” between the increase in the CDC vaccine schedule and the increase in these chronic illnesses. This is another numerical proof showing vaccines are causing chronic illness.
    • America is suffering an epidemic of chronic illness caused by vaccination. The nation will collapse on the current trajectory of vaccination.
    • Vaccination is unavoidably unsafe. It is a form of experimental biological alteration of the human immune system.
    • Improved living conditions (not vaccination) are responsible for historical improvement of public health.
    All of the evidence filed in the complaint can be found on The Control Group litigation website.


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    All of the data quoted in this is post is highly selective and has been "asked and answered" before.
    Here's what crossed my mind when i read this:
    As I recall, people who refused to wear seat belts were discriminated against b/c a seat belt law was passed to protect the rest of us. Also, public smoking within 20 feet of a place of business and inside buildings was banned to protect the rest of us, discriminating against thousands upon thousands of smokers.
    We have vaccines also, to protect "the rest of us."
    I am sorry if you see this as discrimination. I see it as a public health imperative to protect millions of people, especially those in vulnerable communities and countries throughout the world.
    Maybe it's time to not be about yourself, but about the greater good.
    Just my 2 cents..


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    If anyone wishes or ardently desires to be vaccinated, that is their option and right. What We, the 'vaccination dissidents' desire, and demand as Our right, is the Freedom not to be vaccinated. I think that I may speak for the rest of us on this issue. It really comes down to the rights of the Individual versus the authoritarian mandates of the State.

    Besides that, if the vaccines being cooked up in the labs of Pfizer & Moderna really were effective, then you would think, they would protect you, the soon-to-be vaccinated from infection from the 'covids' being carried by the un-vaccinated, would they not? Is that not a reasonable proposition, Gypsey?

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    Re: Vaxxed v. Unvaxxed: Lawsuit Seeks to Protect From Discrimination Based on Vaccine Stat

    To remind ourselves:

    The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services has statutory responsibility for preventing the introduction, transmission, and spread of communicable diseases in the United States. Federal isolation and quarantine are authorized for these communicable diseases

    Cholera
    Diphtheria
    Infectious tuberculosis
    Plague
    Smallpox
    Yellow fever
    Viral hemorrhagic fevers
    Severe acute respiratory syndromes
    Flu that can cause a pandemic <--------
    https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/about...isolation.html


    In regards to Mark's suggestion to create two nations (the voluntary vaccinated and the legally unvaccinated) some things come to mind:

    • Vaccinations are rarely 100% effective so there may still be a public interest to override a private interest of self-determination.

    • For certain groups and certain diseases vaccination may be too risky and against the public interest, say small infants, or people coping with certain diseases. To protect these people there is a public interest to require vaccination for the others.

    • If someone opted to be not vaccinated, and if they contracted the virus, would they also have opted to not receive treatment? Or would society have to provide for a parallel health care system, one for each type of infectious disease, cholera, diphtheria, the plague?

    • If they came to a public health care facility for another medical problem could society refuse entry because of the increased risk they would pose to other vaccinated and lawfully unvaccinated patients?

    • Would we ask foreign nationals entering the country to be vaccinated to reduce the risk of exposure to our citizens? What about unvaccinated Texans entering California?

    Zeno
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    'catastrophe':
    Quote It’s the word the great smallpox eradicator Donald Henderson used in his 2006 prediction of the consequences of lockdown, a word that wasn’t around then. His masterful article addressed the idea of travel restrictions, forced human separation, business and school closings, mask mandates, limits on public gatherings, quarantines, and the entire litany of brutality to which we’ve been subjected for nearly a year, all summed up in the word lockdown.Dr. Henderson warned against it all. This is not how you deal with disease, he said; at a minimum society needs to function so that medical professionals can do their work. Diseases are managed one person at a time, not with grand central plans.
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    I am talking about vaccination, Mark's propsal of allowing opt-in and opt-out, not talking about lockdown.

    Donald Henderson would not have recommended Mark's proposal. Read the Wikipedia entry that I quote below, for some interesting details about his career in public health.

    He "directed a 10-year international effort (1967–1977) that eradicated smallpox throughout the world and launched international childhood vaccination programs." .... "Vaccination brought some control, but the key strategy was "surveillance-containment". This technique entailed rapid reporting of cases from all health units and prompt vaccination of household members and close contacts of confirmed cases."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Henderson


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    I see lockdown/vaccination as intertwined. We have heard from Gates and Fauci - that the vaccine will not prevent recurrent infections... (if you really hear them) and now lockdown won't stop until maybe 2022...

    Ram Dass often told the story of some of the last people to be vaccinated against smallpox. They did not believe in killing or taking any life. After they were forcibly vaccinated, their spokesperson said 'there is no shame in being overpowered by so many' - and offered to share a meal w/those who did not respect their rights nor their integrity.

    There is a virtual talk w/doctor and Ram Dass' biographer: January 14, 6-8 p.m. Book Passage. Rameshwar Das, co-author of Being Ram Dass, will join Marin local Dr. Larry Brilliant, in conversation about the life and new memoir from spiritual teacher and cultural icon, Ram Dass. Both Ramesh and Dr. Brilliant were longtime friends of Ram Dass, having known him for over 50 years. Just as Neem Karoli Baba foretold Ram Dass he would write a book (Be Here Now), he also foretold Brilliant would work for the World Health Organization’s India smallpox program, to help eradicate this ancient plague (which he did).

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    On January 15, 2020, the World Economic Forum
    unveiled their new creation, in time for their annual

    Get-together in Davos, Switzerland




    Expand


    Behold, ^ the Mother Lode ^ of Covidity


    You see, it is {italics] a "designer" virus; one that arrived complete
    with a website {underline] that is two hundred (yes, 200) layers deep.
    - A virus with a mission - a “Crown-virus" that arrived on the World scene
    in order to hasten "Global Governance."



    So, What on Earth is a "Crown Virus"?

    Study Up:

    World Economic Forum: Strategic Intelligence Covid-19:

    https://www.weforum.org/platforms/covid-action-platform

    Before you click on the link ^above^ -Just a little explanation :

    New World Order Explained ~ Covid Action Plan ~ Fema Whistleblower

    Study up. This is what the Billionaires has been planning for us field-negroes...


    Zeno,

    The "opting-out" is a Statement of Resistance to
    the Totalitarian Plan of the Globalist Billionaires



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    Re: Vaxxed v. Unvaxxed: Lawsuit Seeks to Protect From Discrimination Based on Vaccine Stat

    So as I understand you, it is fine for us to wear seat belts, not smoke in public areas etc b/c that is our "right" but your "right" is to not do so. ??? Laws to protect public health are essential. If you aren't vaccinated you are a risk to others.

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    "Vaccination brought some control, but the key strategy was "surveillance-containment". This technique entailed rapid reporting of cases from all health units and prompt vaccination of household members and close contacts of confirmed cases."
    Zeno points out the key problem. Just citing Henderson's objection to a strategy that we're pursuing now is swell, but what alternative would be better? I mean 'better' in the sense we'd actually apply it? The "strategy" that we're now using, if you want to call what we have in place a strategy, doesn't work well at all. China has a strategy, so does New Zealand. I wish we could follow what the Kiwis are doing, but I agree with most Americans about the Chinese approach -- I would not want to see the level of social control that it takes to impose that strategy. And there's no way this culture would follow it voluntarily.
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    Gypsey, It seems you have skipped over and have not addressed this point :
    "...if the vaccines being cooked up in the labs of Pfizer & Moderna really were effective, then you would think, they would protect you, the soon-to-be vaccinated from infection from the 'covids' being carried by the un-vaccinated, would they not? Is that not a reasonable proposition ?... "

    Meaning: "Why must everyone on the whole planet be forced, into being vaccinated, involuntarily or not?"
    I suggest that it is the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex who are the Volkens behind the push to get everyone on the planet vaccinated - and that Their Agenda has nothing at all to do with public benefits or the health and safety of "the rest of us".

    If the recently cooked-up vaccines really work, then the vaccinated should be able to rest peacefully in the assurance that they will not be infected by any random carrier of the plague with whom they might come into contact.

    Besides that, your verbal construct:"
    As I recall, people who refused to wear seat belts were discriminated against b/c a seat belt law was passed to protect the rest of us," makes no objective sense at all. How are "the rest of us" protected by the 'clicked' seated belt in the interior of another car? That is a bit absurd, Gypsey. In reality, the Seat Belt law was passed in order for the State to raise revenue, since the State of California is continually running in the red, fiscally.

    Such laws are also a handy way of slowly turning up the heat on the gas pilot underneath the slow-boiling frog-in-the-pot. The oligarchy finds it useful to get the masses to police themselves via citations & fines. That is one example of what Franz Fanon termed "internalizing one's own oppression."

    I do agree with the social utility of the following point, however, Gypsey: "Also, public smoking within 20 feet of a place of business and inside buildings was banned to protect the rest of us, discriminating against thousands upon thousands of smokers." That is a valid point - as derivative smoke is just as carcinogenic as direct tobacco smoke.


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    Funny, I was just thinking about that today as to how no one cares if someone smokes in their FACE with toxic smoke, but they care if you stand near them LOL smh

    Speaking of smoking, I found out a bit ago that tobacco isn't harmful for you.

    Here's what the author said which I found interesting...

    "The furor over lung cancer and smoking ignores a pertinent fact, that primitive tribes have been smoking tobacco for thousands of years, with no disagreeable after effects. In Virginia, origin of this writer, Indians were smoking tobacco when Captain John Smith landed at Jamestown. Dr. Richard Passey, a researcher at London's Chester Beattie Research Institute, conducted twenty years of research on the tobacco problem. He found no significant link between the traditionally air dried tobacco and lung cancer. However, the American and English tobacco industries, which are dominated by the Rothschilds, use sugar in their tobacco, for a sweetened, sugar dried effect. England, uses 17% sugar, the United States 10%. England has the highest lung cancer rate in the world. Dr. Passey concluded that the addition of sugar to tobacco creates a carcinogenic substance in the nicotine tar; in air dried tobacco, this carcinogen is not activated. He found no resulting lung cancer in the Soviet Union, China and Taiwan, all of which produce air-dried tobacco. "

    That still doesn't mean I want someone smoking near me.

    I didn't even like pipe tobacco when my father smoked it my entire childhood life.
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    Mark, I posted a detailed response to your question on 01-09-2021 01:09 PM, that I still like to read your response to.

    Zeno

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    Oh, if everything were so simple and black and white...

    1) There is some number of people who cannot receive the vaccination. Some are immunocompromised. Some are very young. Some are allergic to some part (good or bad) of the vaccine. These humans would *like* to be vaccinated to help avoid getting disease from someone else. But they can't, so they need to be assisted in their desire to avoid catching something.

    2) There is nowhere, anybody, who claims that a vaccine is 100% effective. Even if someone gets a vaccine, there is still a chance they catch something. And most vaccines are not permanent in their effectiveness; a non-zero number of reluctant recipients will conclude "I got it, now I'm protected forever, wherever." More people at least partially protected reduces chances of transmission.

    3) Herd immunity does not imply 100% of the population is vaccinated. It proposes that if a large enough fraction of the population is protected, whether by vaccination or having had the disease, then transmission rates are low enough that most people, most of the time, can go about their lives and will mostly not catch something. My being vaccinated helps reduce the chance that some unvaccinated, unaware, asymptomatic carrier passes something on to me and I then transmit it to my COPD-suffering mother-in-law. Breaking the chain wherever possible is a good thing for the general populace.

    4) '"the rest of us" protected by the 'clicked' seated belt in the interior of another car?' We are protected as accident participants from having to peel you off of our windshield; we are protected as first responders from having to scrape your brains off of the highway; we are protected because seat belts actually do reduce death and injury, which in turn allows those of us that pay for insurance (a whole other discussion of course) from having the risk pool be even more costly than it is. The first two are mental health reasons to require seat belts. The last one is economic. And as noted above, there's no 100% guarantee that you wearing a seat belt eliminates these possibilities, it merely helps lower the odds.

    I am content that there's some number of people who are concerned enough about the trade-off between problems from a vaccine versus problems from a disease that they avoid vaccination. I would simply request that they avoid me, so avoid entering the stores I use, the restaurants I patronize, the schools I go to (or send my kids to), and the crowds I gather in. I also would like it if they were completely out of my insurance risk pool, as if they*do* catch something there are increased odds that they will cost more to deal with.

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    You are full of fear & haven't researched one thing about the so called "virus."

    Your fear is causing me & hundreds of thousands of other people to have to be controlled, threatened, abused, locked in our homes, forced to wear toxic masks that don't do one THING to prevent anything, let alone a virus.

    You want us locked in jails b/c of your FEAR because you never really grew up as a child & healed your childhood traumas, & so every time someone (your psychopathic mafia gov't) lies to you & says, BOO, you jump.

    I can't stand people like YOU who don't know anything you are talking about.

    All you do is parrot what the liars in gov't & the MSM tell you & you believe every single word.

    You don't understand how the body works, you know nothing about the death & damage that other vaccines have done for hundreds of years, you don't even know what THIS vaccine is meant to do to people & how many people it's already harmed & killed & they are just getting started. Yet, you have the NERVE to tell us intelligent people to say away from YOU???

    You are the detriment to society.

    You aren't smart enough even to ask simple questions about what's going on, & you don't even have the curiosity to find out, you just bow down to the people trying to DESTROY humanity & accept everything you are told.

    You are siding with the nazis who have started this WAR & that makes YOU a bad person too!

    No darlin', it's YOU who are the problem, not US!!!

    You stay away from ME!!!

    I CAN NOT STAND STUPID PEOPLE WHO ARE SO EASILY BRAINWASHED & THEN ACCUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE STUDIED THE TRUTH FOR 10+ MONTHS & in my case 5+ years of being the problem!

    I have NO IDEA whey I am even trying to save humanity, b/c it's certainly NOT for people like YOU!!!
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    You are full of fear ....
    You want .....
    I can't stand people like YOU who don't know anything you are talking about.
    You don't understand ....
    You aren't smart enough ....

    No darlin', it's YOU who are the problem, not US!!!
    who are you calling US?? nobody I know, I hope.
    Pretty reasonable points you make; though until you went into such detail describing CC, I had no idea you knew each other so well!
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    Us is anyone who bothered to learn the TRUTH & knows what's going on & believes in humanity, freedom & knowledge.

    I for one (and I know of hundreds of thousands worldwide like me) have spent every single day 8-14 hours per day studying the truth & trying to wake PEOPLE UP, while you guys sat on your FKing asses trembling in front of your Tel-A-Vison making yourselves SICK with your toxic masks, your toxic plastic gloves, washing your hands hundred times a day & living in fear at everyone else AND your own bloody shadow.

    https://youtu.be/9uUcSpP7Fe8
    https://youtu.be/K6BVTJtX7Uc
    https://youtu.be/_L5V8EpdwXc

    And this is the thanks we get.

    We are ATTACKED, told to stay away when we are perfectly healthy, & YOU are the ones causing this worldwide war.

    The evils started it, YES, but you guys lapped it ALL UP & let them do it to us & things have gotten worse (as I knew they would) & they will ONLY get worse.

    The power is supposed to go off in many countries worldwide. That's their next DISASTER, not to mention all of their false flags like the ones we saw in the last few days.

    They have already started demolishing our food supplies worldwide since last April, & of course you guys will BELIEVE that the fake virus did it.

    That's how brain-dead anyone who believes this garbage IS!

    If you agree with her/him/it, then you are the same.

    Now I'm not going to waste my time anymore on people who are sooo ignorant & want tyranny & a communist china police state b/c if you want to know where we are going, just go learn how they live over there.

    You (whoever agrees with the other person) will NEVER change your mind b/c you don't want to see the truth, you don't ask questions, you just worship the lying corrupt criminals in gov't & their talking heads who make tons of money reading off a teleprompter to brainwash the MASSES.

    Not to mention their CORRUPT LYING so called "scientists."

    You don't care about what's going on & you would rat the person out across from you in a heartbeat all because they want to breath, go outside & LIVE IN PEACE!

    This is EXACTLY what the Germans did when the nazis took over, so you guys are NO DIFFERENT.

    You just want to live in fear while the evils take out us one-by-one.

    GOOD FOR YOU!
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    I for one (and I know of hundreds of thousands worldwide like me....
    you guys sat on your FKing asses trembling in front of your Tel-A-Vison
    oh, I didn't know you knew me and my guys so well too! plus, that's a hell of a rolodex you've got

    Barry, thanks for providing a forum for this entertaining mix of opinions. I've enjoyed it and I'll be sorry to see it go. You've had quite a mix of colorful writers on this site over the years!
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    gypsey wrote:

    "So as I understand you, it is fine for us to wear seat belts, not smoke in public areas etc b/c that is our "right" but your "right" is to not do so. ??? Laws to protect public health are essential. If you aren't vaccinated you are a risk to others."

    Gypsey, You don't understand me at all. Not in the least. I always put my own seat belt on, not because it "protects" others - it doesn't - but because, like everyone else who polices him or herself, I do not care to get a one hundred and forty-eight dollar [$148.oo ticket]. As for smoking in public, I don't smoke tobacco at all.

    You still haven't addressed the issue that i raised,
    Gypsey; to wit:

    "...If the vaccines being cooked up in the labs of Pfizer & Moderna really were effective, then you would think, they would protect you, the soon-to-be vaccinated from infection from the 'covids' being carried by the un-vaccinated, would they not? Is that not a reasonable proposition ?... "

    Meaning: "Why must everyone on the whole planet be forced into being vaccinated, voluntarily or not?"
    I suggest that it is the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex who are the Volkens behind the push to get everyone on the planet vaccinated - and that Their Agenda has nothing at all to do with "public" benefits or the health and safety of "the rest of us".

    If the recently cooked-up vaccines really work, then the vaccinated should be able to rest peacefully in the assurance that they will not be infected by any random carrier of the plague with whom they might come into contact.

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    Posted in reply to the post by Zeno Swijtink:
    Zeno wrote:

    "In regards to Mark's suggestion to create two nations (the voluntary vaccinated and the legally unvaccinated) some things come to mind:

    I am not an advocate of creating "two nations". You, Zeno, are putting words in my mouth. -Words that I never uttered.

    • Vaccinations are rarely 100% effective so there may still be a public interest to override a private interest of self-determination.

    "Public Interest" is a concept that is being mustered in this case by the Pharmaceutical-Industrial Complex - who have no such interest themselves - in order to garner public support from such "liberals" as have collectivist tendencies and believe in the supremacy of the State over the inherent rights of the Individual.

    Besides that, I agree with you, Zeno: "Vaccines are rarely "100% effective." In fact, they are never one hundred percent effective. So why submit? It is like Russian Roulette; it could just as easily kill you.


    • For certain groups and certain diseases vaccination may be too risky and against the public interest, say small infants, or people coping with certain diseases. To protect these people there is a public interest to require vaccination for the others.

    Zeno, If as you say,

    • "If someone opted to be not vaccinated, and if they contracted the virus, would they also have opted to not receive treatment? Or would society have to provide for a parallel health care system, one for each type of infectious disease, cholera, diphtheria, the plague?"

    ...You know as well as I do, and everyone else, that we do not currently have Universal Health Care; so your question is somewhat moot - at present. I have been a longtime advocate of Single-payer, but I would not submit to a mandatory jab with a warp-speed-developed, experimental RNA vaccine from Bill Gates' pet Seattle-based Pharma corporation, "Moderna" even if that was part of the price-tag for receiving "public" health care. The price tag is too great; the unknown side-effects much too vast.

    • If they came to a public health care facility for another medical problem could society refuse entry because of the increased risk they would pose to other vaccinated and lawfully unvaccinated patients?

    So far the Corona-virus induced Crisis has not devolved to this point. I see you are thinking ahead, Zeno, to the next imposition of voluntary mandatory reduction of Civil Rights.

    • Would we ask foreign nationals entering the country to be vaccinated to reduce the risk of exposure to our citizens? What about unvaccinated Texans entering California?

    This too, shall come to pass -all in due course. Do you have a crystal ball, Zeno? -OR- are you preparing us psychologically for the inevitable?

    Zeno,

    You will note that on January 10th, I posted a missive [ #8 in this thread] in response to your missive of January 9th - after you posed the questions I have just addressed, above. That was my response then. It did not Answer all your Questions, one by one.

    Instead, I meant to draw your attention, and the attention of the viewers of this forum to the larger issue: the fact that the Billionaires Men's Club known as the "World Economic Forum" have been using Covid-19 to implement "Global Governance." It is also fairly clear to those of us who have studied this issue minutely for the last ten months, that the members of that Group - the middle circle of which is the Bilderberg Group, have been responsible for the Bio-weapons Laboratory assembling of the genome of SARS-CoV-2.

    Could I request that you open the links on #8, and study up and render a response to those issues? If anyone else wishes to do the necessary examination of all the data there, and comment, ye may. All comers are welcome. My point is that the Davos Elite have an Agenda - Totalitarian control of the whole earth on a Globalist technocratic basis. They think that they can get away with it...

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    And there you GO...

    Most peple don't do these things b/c they agree with them, but ONLY b/c they are forced to by the mafia gov't.

    The millions & trillions of MAN MADE laws meant to oppress us as slaves didn't just happen overnight.

    I'll keep repeating UNTIL some people get it thru their THICK SKULLS...

    The ONLY laws that matter, are the LAWS OF NATURE!

    You do no harm to others - FULL STOP!

    I came across an article which I didn't read, that said that the average person commits at least 3 (I think it was 3) felonies per day not even knowing it.

    I should probably try & find the article & read it.

    What kills me MORE than the evils using laws & threats & kidnappings & stealing our money to force us to do this, are the PEOPLE who AGREE with them, side with them & help them to enslave us ALL!!!

    Some of the black slaves did this as well during slave times (btw, unbeknownst to most people including myself until I learned it, whites were slaved too.)

    https://ourfreesociety.com/Laws-of-Nature-YT-Playlist

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    Yes Mark, you wrote on 1/10, "The "opting-out" is a Statement of Resistance to the Totalitarian Plan of the Globalist Billionaires," and urge me to look into this.

    In fact, I am quite familiar with the World Economic Forum, and, I can say, they are my friends, at least some of them.

    But even assuming you are correct about their evil intent and total effectiveness, your refusal to wear a mask when visiting the plain below your hillside, or to get vaccinated as soon as your age group comes up, is toothless, a mere symbolic act without any connection with the danger you seem to see.

    The only people you are affecting with these refusals are your county compatriots and yourself. No matter how the virus got here, it's here, and it's dangerous.
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    Zeno wrote:

    "Yes Mark, you wrote on 1/10, "The "opting-out" is a Statement of Resistance to the Totalitarian Plan of the Globalist Billionaires," and urge me to look into this.

    In fact, I am quite familiar with the World Economic Forum, and, I can say, they are my friends, at least some of them.

    But even assuming you are correct about their evil intent and total effectiveness, your refusal to wear a mask when visiting the plain below your hillside, or to get vaccinated as soon as your age group comes up, is toothless, a mere symbolic act without any connection with the danger you seem to see.

    The only people you are affecting with these refusals are your county compatriots and yourself. No matter how the virus got here, it's here, and it's dangerous. "

    They are your "friends", Zeno? Figurative friends or personal friends? Please clarify.

    I will concede that -in the physical- I am close to being "toothless". But I am willing to lay down my life, and put my head in a guillotine in resistance to the mandated "Mark of the Beast" - the mandatory micro-chipping in the soon-coming digital economy, {i.e.,
    ID2020}.

    As for your words,
    "...your refusal to wear a mask when visiting the plain below your hillside, or to get vaccinated as soon as your age group comes up, is toothless, a mere symbolic act without any connection with the danger you seem to see..."

    -Those words of yours - the ones i have highlighted in red - are a false representation of my position. I have never, ever indicated by means of any word that I have ever written in this -or any other internet- forum that I refuse to wear a mask in public.

    In point of fact I always carry a mask around with me in my truck. -And I always put a mask on when I enter into any bank or store or gas-station. I also put that mask on when I am walking down a busy, peopled thoroughfare. That's just common courtesy. Besides, one cannot do any business or buy and sell without that mask nowadays...

    Soon, one won't be able to buy or sell without having a micro-chip in one's hand or forehead. That's
    Biblical - But also an issue that disturbs many people all over the world & all across the so-called "political spectrum". The Davos Elite call it the 'digital economy.' They've been talking about making that happen for at least fifty years.

    I deny you the right to misrepresent me or my positions, Zeno. It is libelous. I can see now that I shall have to read every post that you post down to the wire on the last day of WaccoBB - the twenty-second of January. It has become apparent that you are trying to discredit me. That is not friendly internet behavior - nor is it civil. There is a word for it. They call it "trolling".


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    OMG, another nazi sympathizer siding with the EVILS.

    My dear, if you want to end up like this... https://ourfreesociety.com/Vaccine-Injury-#1 by all means I actually encourage you. And there are several more videos similar to this one NOT including all the people who have died de to the poisonous VACCINE!

    STOP LYING TO EVERYONE!!!

    You are a danger to humanity.

    Harm yourself, kill yourself, I don't care, but STOP SPREADING LIES!!!

    There are thousands of doctors worldwide who said from day one that this was NOT a harmful virus (assuming one still believes that viruses are dangerous b/c they aren't) & you are going around spreading the evils' lies.

    But hey, you admitted you are friends with the evils at the WEF.

    Tons of doctors that have said NOT to get the vaccine!!!

    But you have the NERVE to try & make people who are way more intelligent than you are try to feel guilty b/c they have a brain & you don't!

    https://ourfreesociety.com/Doctors-Warn-About-Vaccine

    https://ourfreesociety.com/Dr.-Simone-Gold-CV-Vaccinet

    I'll repeat!!!!

    STOP SPREADING LIES AND FEAR!

    And to anyone who is upset at my language, I don't care anymore.

    I'm sick of brainless fools spreading lies while people are getting sick & DYING at the hands of the evils while you people continue to support them & do their bidding.
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    I apologize for misrepresenting your position on masks. I should have paid closer attention.

    Zeno

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    " I apologize for misrepresenting your position on masks. I should have paid closer attention."

    Fair enough, Zeno. Just don't troll me. It's not nice. Still, I wonder Who among the 'Davos Elite' are pals to you-uns. I'm curious.

    Mayacaman wrote:
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    They are your "friends", Zeno? Figurative friends or personal friends? Please clarify.
    By the way, Zeno, I agree with these words of yours 100% = makla tov :

    Zeno wrote:
    Quote " No matter how the virus got here, it's here, and it's dangerous."
    It is dangerous. And it is very real.
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    gypsey wrote:

    "... If you aren't vaccinated you are a risk to others."

    Zeno wrote:

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    [your refusal] ...to get vaccinated as soon as your age group comes up, is toothless, a mere symbolic act without any connection with the danger you seem to see..."

    How many of you out there can discern in those ^words^ the March of Fascism? Yes Children, Globo-Fascism is on the March. First they colonize your Mind, by causing you to internalize your own oppression. Then they enlist you to enlist others - and if the others won't comply, the get you to go along with the rationale that the Others deserve to be rounded up and put into camps. Just remember that it has all happened before.

    I would submit that there are Other Cures for SARS-CoV-2 than this damnable, fast-tracked, warp-speeded experimental vaccination cooked up in the
    Laboratories of the Pharmaceutical- Industrial Complex - a Vaccine that could potentially alter your DNA.

    Furthermore,
    Dr. Luc Montagnier, the 2008 Nobel Prize winner for discovering HIV, described the inherent [God-given] biologic ability within the Bios of humanity to overcome HIV naturally {and by the same token, virtually any virus} if the Immune System is Healthy. Furthermore Dr. Montagnier points to the profit motive that stands in the way of this remedy and research.
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