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    Where did native americans come from?

    No, Bill, Native Americans did not come from Asia. Origin stories and research in the past decade has proven that.

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    Native Americans did in fact
    come here from Asia, an origin
    that until recently could get
    them classified as ‘yellow peril’,
    understood to be referring
    to ‘people from the Far East’,
    actually, from here, far West.
    ...
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    Re: Where did native americans come from?

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    No, Bill, Native Americans did not come from Asia. Origin stories and research in the past decade has proven that.
    Is there anthropological, DNA or other evidence placing the source of Native Americans in some other area besides Asia? Where?

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    Re: Where did native americans come from?

    Tribal creation / origin stories are from here. Historic ancestral creation stories are rooted in place, most often with actual descriptions of the features of the place. These stories define much of a tribal orientation to life and living. It is more of a white culture's narrative to assume that people are from somewhere else. Indian people have long refuted (and ridiculed) the idea that they came from somewhere else. I reached out to a Native American friend for her response, which was: "I believe in our creation stories, so never knew when others stopped believing their fairy tales"

    If you need some written references here are some to look at (or you can research Bering Straits theory refuted)

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1593835280923


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1593835280923


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1593835280923


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1593835280923


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1593835280923

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    you're going to leave it there ???? where did they come from, then?
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    Re: Where did native americans come from?

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    .. Historic ancestral creation stories are rooted in place, most often with actual descriptions of the features of the place. These stories define much of a tribal orientation to life and living. It is more of a white culture's narrative to assume that people are from somewhere else
    that makes sense.
    now, even in the articles you quote, there's this which is relevant to the point which caught my attention: "Native Americans did not come from Asia":
    the controversial Solutrean hypothesis, which posits that the first Americans actually came from Europe, not Asia, via a North Atlantic route. But many anthropologists now favor a Pacific coastal route to explain how the first people got to the Americas,


    But if I understand your Native American friend's response, this isn't an anthropological question. Just as it's insulting to press a non-waspy looking person who says they're from Toledo, "no, where are you really from", it can be disrespectful to deny that the native population of this continent isn't really "from" here either.
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    Re: Where did native americans come from?



    Who Were the Ancestors of Native Americans? A Lost People in Siberia, Scientists Say
    Genetic analysis of ancient teeth and bones suggests Native Americans largely descend from a vanished group called the Ancient Paleo-Siberians.

    by Carl Zimmer
    June 5, 2019

    A skeleton in Siberia nearly 10,000 years old has yielded DNA that reveals a striking kinship to living Native Americans, scientists reported on Wednesday.

    The finding, published in the journal Nature, provides an important new clue to the migrations that first brought people to the Americas.

    “In terms of peopling of the Americas, we have found close to the missing link,” said Eske Willerslev, a geneticist at the University of Copenhagen and a co-author of the new paper. “It’s not the direct ancestor, but it’s extremely close.”
    Decades of research by archaeologists and linguists suggests that people first came to the Americas at the end of the last ice age, by 14,500 years ago. The route, most experts believe, was a land bridge that connected Alaska and Siberia across what is now the Bering Sea.

    But Siberia is a vast land that has been home to many cultures over thousands of years. Researchers turned to DNA in hopes of clarifying which of these were the ancestors of Native Americans.

    Early studies were inconclusive: Native Americans didn’t seem to have many genetic links to any living group of Siberians. Dr. Willerslev suspected that the DNA of ancient Siberians could help solve the puzzle.

    Around the world, he and his colleagues have found, the people who live in a place today often have little genetic connection to those who lived there thousands of years ago.

    The history of Siberia runs surprisingly deep. After humans evolved in Africa, they started moving to other continents about 70,000 years ago. About 45,000 years ago, humans had reached the northern edge of Siberia, where they hunted mammoths and other big game.

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    Re: Where did native americans come from?

    Native American origin stories that exclude Asia make as much scientific sense as the Adam & Eve/Garden of Eden creation story. Congratulations, even for WACCO, this is a new level of stupid.

    Years ago, I heard Joseph Campbell give a lecture where he warned against "concretizing a myth." As in the fools climbing Mt. Ararat looking for Noah's ark.

    Myths have psychological and spiritual value that does not depend on strict compliance with the natural world. When forced into a materialistic straight jacket, myths are drained of the numinous and become objects of ridicule (see above).

    I'm reminded places in Greece that once were littered with huge fossil bones of mastodons and such that had eroded out of the soft sediments that they were buried in. The Greeks identified these places as the locations of battles between the Zeus and the Titans, the Gigantomachy. You can read about these places in The First Fossil Hunters: Dinosaurs, Mammoths, and Myth in Greek and Roman Times by Adrienne Mayor
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    Re: Where did native americans come from?

    I see that Mayor has another fossil book, this one is: Fossil Legends of the First Americans

    I don't own this one so I have no comments on it.
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    Re: Where did native americans come from?

    In a PBS documentary a few years ago, the subject was genetic proof of the origins of Homo sap. The Australian Aborigines have claimed forever that they are the original humans as we know them on this planet. In fact, they are second. The real first humans came from a single location in Africa and spread around the planet, moving from east to west. This was determined by a genetic marker in males, when and where it showed up. As it happens, those markers may well disappear in 100 years as the different populations continue to mingle and interbreed. Good riddance, I say. We are all one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_xTG6VXlIQ
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    Re: Where did native ameritcans come from?

    Some tribal creation / origin stories are demonstrably not factual. For instance, the Navajo origin story says that the Navajo have always had domestic sheep, goats, and horses even though these animals did not exist in North America until the Spanish brought them here. As for "Native Americans" being from somewhere else, archaeological evidence shows that different groups inhabited different areas at different times, and linguistic studies have demonstrated that in North America and elsewhere different groups split off from common ancestral groups and migrated to different areas.

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