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    Re: Covid 19 origin according to Nobel Prize Scientist

    Just riffing for fun. Though I did do the % calculation. Of course it's meaningless and absurd, most of us haven't gotten it yet. Will 1% die, or .2%? This pandemic is defined by what we don't know. Just like vaccines. In a time of uncertainty fear rules. My way to deal is to face death. Most look to their chosen authority. On wacco we bring out our authority swords and duel. I think to dismiss the contribution from a Nobel scientist is silly. I'm sure he knows a little bit more than me! And yet it reads like conspiracy! Let's just trust fouchy! He loves vaccine therapy!

    Will Gates be the first trillionare? Probably bezos. Who do you want to bet on finell? Let's take care of our immune system by laughing at our insane world, courtesy of our species, and inevitable death.

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    I am not supporting a cavalier attitude towards harm of any other person. That is for certain. I enjoy being able to go to markets and other places and not have to worry about cameras using their FRT on me and my family and friends. I respect all the businesses rules etc.
    This does not mean that one should mistake me for letting the information about this tom foolery out to our people here. And although there are detractors amongst us the information is shared and those who can actually follow up on what we are saying will not be able to actually find fault with that.
    There is no good reason to believe that our government has anything but melevolence for its people this is proven out by the days events. They all wanted us home and safe then one of there guys murders a man in cold blood in the street for a crime the guy was not even involved in. The cop even knew the guy he was murdering. So no more safe and now the masks are there again to hide the identity of the rebels in the rebellion and the quarantine is just for the whites who are too scared to help their fellow citizens over throw the rotten system.
    I know you like the system as it feeds you into a stupor.
    I think it is rude and cavalier to ignore the clarion call of your friends and neighbors who are genuinely concerned about the many unmistakable inconsistencies in the Corona narrative. Notice there are no more TV anchors shaming people for not wearing masks..In the article I posted before this was the headline. Now we can actually combine recent history to make the story true..The “Lock Step” Simulation Scenario: “A Coronavirus-like Pandemic that Becomes Trigger for Police State Controls”

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    ... It's fine to take personal risks, but I find it unethical and really just plain rude to be cavalier about the costs you might pose to other people as you take them...
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    The CDC quietly has adjusted the numbers for those in the world who will be infected over the course of the virus threat from 3.24% to .24% this happened the day of or the day before the murder and ensuing riots...
    https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new-estimate-by-the-cdc-brings-down-the-covid-19-death-rate-to-just-0-26-as-against-whos-3-4/

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    Just riffing for fun. Though I did do the % calculation. Of course it's meaningless and absurd, most of us haven't gotten it yet. Will 1% die, or .2%? This pandemic is defined by what we don't know. ...
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    You don't know what murdering someone in cold blood is. Read the autopsy report, or is that fake news?

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    ...They all wanted us home and safe then one of there guys murders a man in cold blood in the street for a crime the guy was not even involved in....
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    Luc Montagnier HIV Nobel Prize Winner Says
    Virus "Bio-engineered" in Lab 黄艳玲 17/04/20



    The Nobel Prize: Luc Montagnier : Facts


    Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the
    2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag


    Abstract:

    We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-
    nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike
    glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses.
    Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-
    1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary
    amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute
    the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have
    identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be
    fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on
    the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.
    Introduction
    [ See Footnote ]

    Coronaviruses (CoV) are single-stranded positive-sense RNA viruses that infect animals and
    humans. These are classified into 4 genera based on their host specificity: Alphacoronavirus,
    Betacoronavirus, Deltacoronavirus and Gammacoronavirus (Snijder et al., 2006). There are seven
    known types of CoVs that includes 229E and NL63 (Genus Alphacoronavirus), OC43, HKU1,
    MERS and SARS (Genus Betacoronavirus). While 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 commonly
    infect humans, the SARS and MERS outbreak in 2002 and 2012 respectively occurred when the
    virus crossed-over from animals to humans causing significant mortality (J. Chan et al., n.d.; J. F.
    W. Chan et al., 2015). In December 2019, another outbreak of coronavirus was reported from
    Wuhan, China that also transmitted from animals to humans. This new virus has been temporarily
    termed as 2019-novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by the World Health Organization (WHO) (J. F.-
    W. Chan et al., 2020; Zhu et al., 2020). While there are several hypotheses about the origin of
    2019-nCoV, the source of this ongoing outbreak remains elusive.

    The transmission patterns of 2019-nCoV is similar to patterns of transmission documented in the
    previous outbreaks including by bodily or aerosol contact with persons infected with the virus.
    .CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International licenseIt is made available under a perpetuity.preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted bioRxiv a license to display the preprint in
    The copyright holder for this. http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871doi: bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020;

    Cases of mild to severe illness, and death from the infection have been reported from Wuhan. This
    outbreak has spread rapidly distant nations including France, Australia and USA among others.
    The number of cases within and outside China are increasing steeply. Our current understanding
    is limited to the virus genome sequences and modest epidemiological and clinical data.

    Comprehensive analysis of the available 2019- nCoV sequences may provide important clues that
    may help advance our current understanding to manage the ongoing outbreak.

    The spike glycoprotein (S) of cornonavirus is cleaved into two subunits (S1 and S2). The S1
    subunit helps in receptor binding and the S2 subunit facilitates membrane fusion (Bosch et al.,
    2003; Li, 2016). The spike glycoproteins of coronoviruses are important determinants of tissue
    tropism and host range. In addition the spike glycoproteins are critical targets for vaccine
    development (Du et al., 2013). For this reason, the spike proteins represent the most extensively
    studied among coronaviruses. We therefore sought to investigate the spike glycoprotein of the
    2019-nCoV to understand its evolution, novel features sequence and structural features using
    computational tools.

    Methodology

    Retrieval and alignment of nucleic acid and protein sequences

    We retrieved all the available coronavirus sequences (n=55) from NCBI viral genome database
    (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/) and we used the GISAID (Elbe & Buckland-Merrett,
    2017)[https://www.gisaid.org/] to retrieve all available full-length sequences (n=28) of 2019-
    nCoV as on 27 Jan 2020. Multiple sequence alignment of all coronavirus genomes was performed
    by using MUSCLE software (Edgar, 2004) based on neighbour joining method. Out of 55
    coronavirus genome 32 representative genomes of all category were used for phylogenetic tree
    development using MEGAX software (Kumar et al., 2018). The closest relative was found to be
    SARS CoV. The glycoprotein region of SARS CoV and 2019-nCoV were aligned and visualized
    using Multalin software (Corpet, 1988). The identified amino acid and nucleotide sequence were
    aligned with whole viral genome database using BLASTp and BLASTn. The conservation of the
    nucleotide and amino acid motifs in 28 clinical variants of 2019-nCoV genome were presented by
    performing multiple sequence alignment using MEGAX software. The three dimensional structure
    of 2019-nCoV glycoprotein was generated by using SWISS-MODEL online server (Biasini et al.,
    2014) and the structure was marked and visualized by using PyMol (DeLano, 2002).

    Results

    Uncanny similarity of novel inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag
    Our phylogentic tree of full-length coronaviruses suggests that 2019-nCoV is closely related to
    SARS CoV [Fig1]. In addition, other recent studies have linked the 2019-nCoV to SARS CoV.
    We therefore compared the spike glycoprotein sequences of the 2019-nCoV to that of the SARS
    CoV (NCBI Accession number: AY390556.1). On careful examination of the sequence
    alignment we found that the 2019- nCoV spike glycoprotein contains 4 insertions [Fig.2]. To
    further investigate if these inserts are present in any other corona virus, we performed a multiple
    .CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license It is made available under a perpetuity.preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted bioRxiv a license to display the preprint in
    The copyright holder for this. http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871doi: bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020; sequence alignment of the spike glycoprotein amino acid sequences of all available coronaviruses (n=55) [refer Table S.File1] in NCBI refseq (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) this includes one sequence of 2019-nCoV[Fig.S1]. We found that these 4 insertions [inserts 1, 2, 3 and 4] are unique to 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses analyzed. Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses . Another group from China had documented three insertions comparing fewer spike glycoprotein sequences of coronaviruses (Zhou et al., 2020).



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    What the Professor says is supported by the facts indicating that the virus was designed in the USA by Fauci’s NIAID and engineered and manufactured in China in the Wuhan Viral Laboratory as the evidence is overwhelming that it did, but what was the purpose of the research that was funded there by EcoHealth (linked to WHO and the Gates Foundation) on behalf of Fauci's NIAD and the US Dept of Defense after the gain of function on this type of virus was controlled in the US after Fauci funded research in this area at the Universities of Texas and North Carolina that included funding for the Wuhan Batwoman (Shi Li Zeng) to collect bat viruses. We also need to know what was the involvement of CSIRO where Batman Mr Zang studied bat viruses? Did the Wuhan study have anything to do with the Gates Funded Global Vaccination Initiative (GAVI) in which Fauci and other close to this event are involved? Robert Kennedy explains the sequence of events here and the supporting evidence follows:

    {see links below the video on the youtube page}
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    Nobel Laureate Calls COVID-19 Manmade


    July 20, 2020
    The explanations of COVID-19’s origins by mainstream media simply do not add up and scientists are increasingly speaking out about this. Many experts theorize that the virus is manmade and was synthesized in a laboratory because the peculiarities of the virus’ genome that make it so transmittable could not have occurred in nature.

    Experts who suspect COVID-19 has lab origins have strong evidence on their side. Research between the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China and University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to increase the infectivity and deadliness of a SARS-like coronavirus has indeed been conducted.1

    · The coronavirus experimental collaborations, called “gain-of-function” (GOF) research, were curtailed by the U.S. between 2014 and 2018 because of their obvious risks, but in 2017 the NIH announced the research would be resumed.2

    Scientists willing to challenge the mainstream explanations of COVID-19’s origin face a backlash from their colleagues and scientific associations and have even been dismissed as “conspiracy theorists.” However, a new voice has been added to the body of scientific dissenters that will likely add to the credibility of their COVID-19 viewpoints.

    French virologist Luc Antoine Montagnier, who was awarded a Nobel prize in Physiology in 2008 along with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and Harald zur Hausen for discovering of the HIV virus,3 has now spoken out. Montagnier was a researcher at the prestigious Pasteur Institute in Paris.4

    COVID-19 Was Manmade, Says Nobel Laureate

    Many in the scientific community were shocked when the acclaimed Luc Antoine Montagnier appeared on the French cable TV show, CNews, on April 17, 20205 to say that the virus that causes COVID-19 is manmade and that elements of HIV and Plasmodium falciparum, a parasite that causes malaria, are found in the coronavirus’s genome.6 Montagnier said:7

    “We were not the first since a group of Indian researchers tried to publish a study which showed that the complete genome of this coronavirus [has] sequences of another virus, which is HIV.”

    The research that Montagnier refers to was posted on the science website Biorxiv January 31, 2020, and has since been withdrawn. The researchers wrote:8

    “We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag … The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.”

    COVID-19 Derives From a Failed HIV Vaccine, Says Montagnier

    In a separate appearance on the French podcast Pourquoi Docteur, also April 17,9 Montagnier said the coronavirus had escaped in an “industrial accident” while Chinese scientists at the Wuhan city laboratory were trying to develop a vaccine against HIV.10 “In order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory,” said Montagnier.11

    Montagnier also said he believes that the pandemic will naturally extinguish itself because of its synthetic origins:12

    “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

    According to the website Corvelva, Montagnier said on the podcast that the pandemic would peter out because nature would override the synthetically inserted sequences that make COVID-19 so deadly:13

    “With the help of interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences … and consequently stop the pandemic. But it would take many means available.”

    Montagnier Created His Theory With a Biomathematics Expert

    Montagnier says he reached his conclusions, “With my colleague, biomathematician Jean-Claude Perez,” after they “carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus.”14 Montagnier’s partner, Perez, is a French interdisciplinary scientist and biomathematics expert.15

    According to an online bio, Perez has proved that DNA coding for genes is structured by proportions related to Fibonacci numbers,16 which are formulas in mathematics that are sometimes called “nature’s secret code.”17 In a paper Montagnier and Perez published on the Center for Open Science in April 2020, they write:18

    “Using our proprietary bio-mathematic approach we are able to evaluate the level of cohesion and organization of a genome; … we then searched in this genome for possible traces of HIV or even SIV [related simian immunodeficiency virus]. A first publication reports the discovery of 6 HIV SIV RNA pieces.”

    The HIV and SIV elements that Montagnier and Perez detect, called Exogenous Informative Elements, or EIEs, provide the basis of their theory that COVID-19 is not a simple derivative of SARS and bat-related viruses. They write:19

    “A major part of these 16 EIE already existed in the first SARS genomes as early as 2003. However, we demonstrate how and why a new region including 4 HIV1 HIV2 Exogenous Informative Elements radically distinguishes all COVID-19 strains from all SARS and Bat strains …

    … a contiguous region representing 2.49% of the whole COVID-19 genome is 40.99% made up of 12 diverse EIE originating from various strains of HIV SIV retroviruses …

    a novel long region of around 225 nucleotides, appears to us to be totally new: this region is completely absent in ALL SARS genomes, whereas it is present and 100% homologous for all COVID-19 genomes listed in NCBI or GISAID COVID_19 genomic databases.”


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    had me going for a while, till..
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    Montagnier also said he believes that the pandemic will naturally extinguish itself because of its synthetic origins:12

    “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”
    I tried to find the quote it reminds me of.. either something from Frankenstein about 'man is not meant to know' or Jeff Goldblum saying 'nature will find a way'. Neither quite right. But the idea that's expressed in that quote is more religious than scientific. Sorry for the shallow interpretation. Sometimes it's hard to avoid thinking that a quote like that is actually very revealing, though, although I suppose it might be just an awkward way to say, uh, something?
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    Quote Mayacaman wrote:
    Montagnier also said he believes that the pandemic will naturally extinguish itself because of its synthetic origins:12

    “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

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    had me going for a while, till..

    I tried to find the quote it reminds me of.. either something from Frankenstein about 'man is not meant to know' or Jeff Goldblum saying 'nature will find a way'. Neither quite right. But the idea that's expressed in that quote is more religious than scientific. Sorry for the shallow interpretation. Sometimes it's hard to avoid thinking that a quote like that is actually very revealing, though, although I suppose it might be just an awkward way to say, uh, something?
    Here is the Source of the the Article - with All of the footnotes, Peter :

    Nobel Laureate Calls COVID-19 Manmade


    = AND, (footnote 12) =


    Coronavirus Is Man Made According to Luc
    Montagnier the Man Who Discovered HIV





    Source: Gilmore Health News

    Contrary to the narrative that is being pushed by the mainstream that the COVID 19 virus was the result of a natural mutation and that it was transmitted to humans from bats via pangolins, Dr Luc Montagnier the man who discovered the HIV virus back in 1983 disagrees and is saying that the virus was man made.

    Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, claims that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus that was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Chinese researchers are said to have used coronaviruses in their work to develop an AIDS vaccine. HIV RNA fragments are believed to have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

    “With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue: Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.

    To insert an HIV sequence into this genome requires molecular tools

    In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV. No, “says Luc Montagnier,” in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.

    According to the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine, a plausible explanation would be an accident in the Wuhan laboratory. He also added that the purpose of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.

    The truth will eventually come out

    In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads: “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

    This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”: “Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.

    To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds. “In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”

    Related:

    Australian researchers see virus design manipulation

    Surgisphere: mass audit of studies linked to firm behind anti-hydroxychloroquine Lancet study scandal

    Coronavirus: Professor critiques two studies, local AU tests of hydroxychloroquine to go ahead.

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    Luc Montagnier Insists That the Virus
    Came out of a Lab in Follow-Up Interview

    By Robert Miller
    May 4, 2020

    Professor Luc Montagnier, independent researcher and 2008 Nobel Prize winner for medicine for his discovery of HIV, was a guest of André Bercoff on Thursday 30 April, at Sud Radio.

    Luc Montagnier provoked a controversy a few weeks ago by expressing his doubts about the origin of the coronavirus.

    Now an independent researcher, the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine defended his point of view that the Coronavirus is man made in an interview by André Bercoff. For him, the most likely hypothesis is that the virus accidentally escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan.

    The first infected weren’t in the market

    Luc Montagnier, a researcher specializing in viruses for “a very long time”, was sometimes questioned, but above all he was distinguished by the fact that he was a member of the panel of experts who discovered HIV. In the midst of the pandemic, the professor inevitably became interested in Covid-19 very quickly: “It is interesting to know its origins, because we can derive new therapeutic tests from it and know what will happen to this epidemic in the future,” he explains.

    The official version of the appearance of the coronavirus says that the coronavirus started at the fish market in Wuhan, where animals carrying the virus were bought and eaten, recalls Luc Montagnier. “This is a theory that does not correspond exactly to the reality of the facts,” he questions. “The first infected people were not in the market, they were more likely to be near the nearby laboratory,” the professor emphasizes.

    Experiments for over ten years

    In these laboratories, Chinese scientists “have been working for more than ten years on coronaviruses transmitted by animals, especially bats,” reports Professor Montagnier, who regularly reviews published reports. The experiments, which began after the SARS epidemic in Asia in 2003, were carried out by the Chinese scientists. “Bats are considered healthy carriers and therefore carry many viruses,” he explains. According to his hypothesis, “some of these researchers have tried to identify factors that could make these bats dangerous to humans. They started with a very similar model, but it was neither contagious nor pathogenic for humans because it had no receptor,” the professor suspects.

    Luc Montagnier hopes that one day “scientists will say so themselves. But at the moment “we are in such a climate; there are so many dead that nobody wants to carry this very heavy burden”, he admits. Another questionable problem is that one of these laboratories “is financed by the United States, and for quite a lot of money”. “It is also a factor that explains why nobody wants to bring the truth to light,” regrets Luc Montagnier.

    Montagnier also discussed the presence of those HIV segments that are present in the novel coronavirus. He admits although similar segments might be present in other viruses, what remains highly suspicious is that all of these segments are all present in a small section of the coronavirus. Additionaly as the virus is mutating it seems to be mutating in those areas where the HIV segments were added. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads: “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

    Bellow is the full interview in French :








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    The Sunday Times of London Weighs In

    [ from article by Joseph Mercola]


    I previously interviewed virologist Jonathan Latham, and he expanded on his uncovering of this nondisclosed Wuhan virus. You can see more in the video below.

    Dr Joseph Mercola Interviews Virologist Jonathan Latham


    There are many unexplained circumstances surrounding the discovery and spread of COVID-19, which inspired The Times of London to launch an in-depth investigation that was recently published.29 For example, the newspaper notes that a virus similar to COVID-19 appeared on the scene much earlier than was reported.

    “The world’s closest known relative to the Covid-19 virus was found in 2013 by Chinese scientists in an abandoned mine where it was linked to deaths caused by a coronavirus-type respiratory illness.”

    Among the many unanswered questions was why the deaths of six men in China in 2012, who had been exposed to a bat virus and quickly developed severe pneumonia, were covered up by Chinese authorities. According to The Times:

    “All the men were linked. They had been given the task of clearing out piles of bat feces in an abandoned copper mine in the hills south of the town of Tongguan … Some had worked for two weeks before falling ill, and others just a few days … while none had tested positive for SARS, all four had antibodies against another, unknown Sars-like coronavirus.”

    A research paper titled “Coexistence of Multiple Coronaviruses in Several Bat Colonies in an Abandoned Mineshaft,” cowritten by Shi Zhengli, a researcher known in China as the “Bat Woman,” makes “no mention of why the study had been carried out: the miners, their pneumonia and the deaths,” says the Times.

    The deaths from the apparently new bat-related respiratory virus were also blacked out by Chinese media, says The Times, and could only be gleaned from a “master’s thesis by a young medic called Li Xu.”
    Adding to the many questions about the virus’ origins, wrote The Times, was the fact that “of the forty-one patients who contracted Covid-19 in Wuhan only twenty-seven” had contact with the Huanan seafood market, which was officially named as the source. Moreover, a longtime bat researcher exposed to bat blood and urine who subsequently fell ill and might have been “patient zero” refused to talk to reporters.

    Thanks to the “gain-of-function” research that was conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, well-founded fears of escaped or leaked viruses preceded the acknowledgement of COVID-19 and were increased by China’s lack of transparency. For example, wrote The Times, even the fact that COVID-19 could be spread between humans was hidden:

    “China would not admit there had been human-to-human transmission until January 20, despite sitting on evidence the virus had been passed to medics.”

    The True Nature of COVID-19 Remains Hidden

    According to The Times, a sample of the virus that killed six in 2012 was housed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and was described in a scientific paper cowritten by Shi that states it is a 96.2% match to the COVID-19 virus. The virus, called RaTG13, says The Times:

    “… was the biggest lead available as to the origin of Covid-19. It was therefore surprising that the paper gave only scant detail about the history of the virus sample, stating merely that it was taken from a Rhinolophus affinis bat in Yunnan province in 2013 — hence the “Ra” and the 13.
    Inquiries have established, however, that RaTG13 is almost certainly the coronavirus discovered in the abandoned mine in 2013, which had been named RaBtCoV/4991 in the institute’s earlier scientific paper. For some reason, Shi and her team appear to have renamed it.”

    According to The Times, the obfuscation about how long the virus has been known to exist and its origins continues. In an interview with Scientific American, says The Times, Shi:

    “… mentions the discovery of a coronavirus that 96% matches the Covid-19 virus, and has a reference to the miners dying in a cave she investigated. However, the two things are not linked and Shi downplays the significance of the miners’ deaths by claiming they succumbed to a fungus.”

    Was COVID-19 Created in a Lab?

    With the many cover-ups and misleading information surrounding the coronavirus and resulting pandemic, is it possible COVID-19 came from a lab and was manmade? On this point, The Times is agnostic.

    “The final and trickiest question for the WHO inspectors [who investigated the virus in China] is whether the virus might have escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan. Is it possible, for example, that RaTG13 or a similar virus turned into Covid-19 and then leaked into the population after infecting one of the scientists at the Wuhan institute?

    This seriously divides the experts. The Australian virologist Edward Holmes has estimated that RaTG13 would take up to 50 years to evolve the extra 4% that would make it a 100% match with the Covid-19 virus.”

    Most of the mainstream media as well as the scientific community continue to dismiss such ideas. But the addition of the voices of a Nobel Laureate and well-known Norwegian researcher give the theory greater credibility. There are other questions unexplored by media, too.

    Was COVID-19 Intended as a Bioweapon?

    If COVID-19 were manmade and leaked from a laboratory, there is another pressing question. Was the synthesized virus intended as a bioweapon? In a published paper, Dr. Meryl Nass, a board-certified internist and biological warfare epidemiologist, wrote that such genetic engineering techniques have “resulted in biological weapons that were tested, well-described and, in some cases, used.”

    Many are unaware of just how many Biological Safety Levels (BSL) 3 and 4 labs there are in the world. They are found in the U.S., China, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, The Czech Republic, France, Gabon, Germany, Hungary, India, Italy, Russia, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan and the United Kingdom. People are also unaware of how often leaks occur.

    For example, in 2017 at the BSL 4 lab on Galveston Island, there were serious questions about what happened to pathogens housed there after it was hit by a massive storm and severe flooding. Only two years later, the BSL 4 lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland, was temporarily shut down after protocol violations.
    When Hurricane Katrina struck in 2005, the greater New Orleans area housed at least five BSL 3 labs that were studying anthrax, HIV, SARS, West Nile and genetically engineered mouse pox. According to The Daily Bruin:

    “The National Primate Research Center, located at Tulane, housed nearly 5,000 monkeys in outdoor cages for ‘infectious disease, including biodefense-related work, gene therapy, reproductive biology and neuroscience,’ according to an article in Tulane University Magazine.”

    The CDC Has Had Several BSL Safety Breaches and Accidents

    Even the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has had leaks in its home-based Atlanta facility. In June 2012, the agency made headline news when an inspector reported that a building housing anthrax, SARS and monkeypox in one of its bioterror labs had a noticeable air leak. This was following similar reports in 2007 and 2008. Of the 2012 incident, ABC News said:

    “The documents suggest a breach in biosafety regulations, imposed nationwide by the CDC itself, that dictate labs housing the most dangerous inhalable infectious agents must be maintained under ‘negative pressure.'”

    The CDC just seems to keep having accidents. For example, in June 2014, the CDC released a public statement stating “… approximately 75 Atlanta-based staff are being monitored after being exposed to live anthrax when … established safety practices were not followed.”

    The CDC then pledged to do internal reviews of lab-safety policies and procedures. Six months later, in December 2014, Reuters reported that the CDC had created a new, high-level safety position to “identify problems, establish plans to solve them, and hold programs throughout CDC accountable for follow-up.”
    But, in 2016, it happened again: Problems in an Atlanta BSL-4 lab working “with deadly Ebola and smallpox viruses and other pathogens that lack vaccines or reliable treatments” developed when safety seals and backup safety measures on its labs failed.

    In reporting on this incident, USA Today obtained copies of reports from a 2009 incident, and learned that certain CDC officials tried to hide the problems. USA Today asked Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University biosafety expert who has testified before Congress on these issues, to look at the reports and to give his opinion on the CDC’s actions. Ebright said:

    “Overall, the incident shows that failures — even cascading, compounding, catastrophic failures of BSL-4 biocontainment labs occur … And the attempted cover-up within the CDC makes it clear that the CDC cannot be relied upon to police its own, much less other institutions.”

    The CDC responded that “there was never any risk posed by the lab’s equipment failures.” What other accidents have we yet to hear about? If we are ever going to get a handle on this, we must listen to the experts on this topic, many whom I have interviewed. Although there may have been some valid research taking place at one time, most of these bio-weapon labs are dangerous and should be shut down.


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    Re: Covid 19 origin according to Nobel Prize Scientist

    Mark, it is impossible to tell who is writing what in this lengthy post of yours. Is the entire post a direct quotation of a publication by Mercola? Please provide a citation to the sources or sources and, if available, hyperlink(s).

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    Re: Covid 19 origin according to Nobel Prize Scientist

    Quote Steve Finell, Esq. wrote:
    Mark, it is impossible to tell who is writing what in this lengthy post of yours. Is the entire post a direct quotation of a publication by Mercola? Please provide a citation to the sources or sources and, if available, hyperlink(s).
    Duly noted, Steve. Done. I had thought that the attribution to Dr. Joseph Mercola at the top was sufficient - But since you asked, I have added the hyperlink to the Source of the article at the bottom...
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    Nobel Scientist: COVID-19 is a man-made Bio Weapon


    by Tyler Durden
    April 21, 2020



    Nobel Prize winner, Dr Luc Montagnier (above) the man who discovered
    the HIV virus back in 1983, says the COVID19 virus was man-made.

    As the mainstream media and politicians begin to raise/admit the possibilities that the source of COVID-19 was likely a lab in Wuhan (accidentally leaked or otherwise) – something we first brought to the world’s attention in January before being mocked, censored, and chastised – it appears more actual ‘scientists’ (at least those not paid by or working for a lab in Wuhan) are willing to admit what we noted all along – this virus is man-made.




    GilmoreHealth.com’s Robert Miller writes that contrary to the narrative that is being pushed by the mainstream that the COVID 19 virus was the result of a natural mutation and that it was transmitted to humans from bats via pangolins.

    Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, claims that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus that was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

    Chinese researchers are said to have used coronaviruses in their work to develop an AIDS vaccine. HIV DNA fragments are believed to have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

    We knew that the Chinese version of how the coronavirus emerged was increasingly under attack, but here’s a thesis that tells a completely different story about the Covid-19 pandemic, which is already responsible for more than 110,000 deaths worldwide.

    According to Professor Luc Montagnier, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2008 for “discovering” HIV as the cause of the AIDS epidemic together with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, the SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that was manipulated and accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, in the last quarter of 2019.

    According to Professor Montagnier, this laboratory, known for its work on coronaviruses, tried to use one of these viruses as a vector for HIV in the search for an AIDS vaccine!

    “With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue:

    Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.

    In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV.

    “No,” says Luc Montagnier, “in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.”

    According to the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine, a plausible explanation would be an accident in the Wuhan laboratory. He also added that the purpose of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.

    The truth will eventually come out

    In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads:

    “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

    Luc Montagnier added that with the help of interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences and as a result stop the pandemic.

    This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”:

    “Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.

    To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds.

    In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”
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