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    Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"


    Applying the principle of repetition in this, our context, just remember:


    "big pharma owns the mainstream media"


    Here's another reality to wrap your head around:


    bill gates owns the mainstream media


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    As I noted, there are many such videos, and yah, there is some sort of industry service that sends out boiler plate filler stories rich in cliche. Hell, our own Press Democrat is obviously strapped for field reporters and substantive stories. They will run AP or Reuters et al non local news stories to generate a sense of cosmopolitanism and larger relevance, but what I find irksome is that they repeat links to the same story in various sections of the front page simply to fill space and make it seem that their skeleton reportage is a rich panoply of Sonoma Co. life.

    The Internet is destroying the news industry's market and this is driving them towards tabloidism. Their business model, as we saw happen with the music biz, is a failure in the Age of Info. Legendary media guru Marshal McLuhan showed us 70 years ago that technology is inherently democratizing, inherently lays out before us the potential of autonomy. Our world today was largely shaped by the technology of the printing press that broke the dictatorship of the Church over book production and ushered in the free exchange of creative ideas leading to the French Enlightenment and it's subsequent Industrial Revolution.

    Critics of technology chronically fail to fully understand that participatory democracy and republican anti-caste, anti-oligarchy initiatives and idealisms, are a direct result of technological progress. The analytic minds you and I possess are largely a result of the technological birthing of Scientific Method. Internet technology has the oligarchy in a panic unseen since the Bolshevik CHEKA began shooting large swaths of the aristocracy dead in the basement of Lubianka Prison. A rather short term solution that led to the creation of Hitler who was designed to destroy Soviet Bolshevism. Before Hitler was rounding up Jews, he was rounding up Communists.

    The oligarchy is today trying to create a national mood swing that would support another Hitler, and, no it is not Trump. Trump is no friend of the oligarchy. The GOP warhawk neocons hate him and comprise the "Never Trump" movement among the Rockefeller fascists. The oligarchy is pissed because he co-opted their Bush dynasty plans. The Trump hating left is actually the marcher goons of those Wall St. masters of the universe that the Occupy movement was founded against. Go figure. Add that computation to your interpretive framework and watch the gears grind to a halt. Their Hitler will be touchy feely, a New Age guru or politically correct marionette. This spate of Ft. Detrick germ warfare we are experiencing is a softening up exercise to help us rationalize the suspension of civil liberties.

    www.walteralter.com/psyops.htm

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    usually when people base their arguments on video, I tell 'm to get off my lawn and find an audience who prefers them, but in this case they seemed relevant. But really? First, this starts off with a section on Sinclair Media, as if they were typical. Then, the first case of replication they bother to use is about children's birthday parties??? ok, I guess that proves something. ...
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    Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"

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    I don't have a link handy, but certainly everyone has seen videos where 2 or 3 dozen tv news shows are edited together, reporting on a story all with the exact same wording. exact. and that's "the news".
    There's this... but note that the majority are Fox stations (no surprise) and CBS. I noted maybe a couple of NBC.

    Beyond that, part of how the News business works is there are news services, notably Reuters and the Associated Press that many outlets, especially local news as featured in the clip below, subscribe to.


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    ... Trump is no friend of the oligarchy...
    well, I was with you till here, anyway.
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    Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"

    Quote infojockey wrote:
    ... Trump is no friend of the oligarchy...
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    well, I was with you till here, anyway.

    -And I'm with you on this one,
    podfish / Peter. Still, I can grok where infojockey / Walter is coming from. Appearances can be deceiving - and there certainly was a lot of hullabaloo in the GOP when the Donald upset the apple cart and sidelined the candidacy of Jeb Bush back in 2016.

    Let's not forget that there was a Stop Trump! faction in the GOP; and that there was considerable opposition to Trump in the Neo-con faction and among the Rockefeller "internationalists". Peter Dale Scott says that there is a schism in the Ruling Class in Amerika: a Nationalist wing and an Internationalist wing. He's on to something.

    But the "Deep State" is a very real proposition - and They {THEM, Inc.] are able to deal with any & all contingencies and 'roll with the punches'. Walter Alter needs to realize that at least some of the ruling class opposition to FDR in 1932-33 was hypocritical window dressing and crocodile tears. -And this, in spite of the "Plot to Seize the White House" that Major General Smedley Butler exposed. "If something happens in politics, you can bet that it was planned". FDR said that - and he knew.

    We should be realistic about the "Globalist" wings of both of the two major parties - And Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton -had either of them been elected- would have been far more efficient in bringing us all closer to "Global Governance".

    But Global Governance is where we are headed anyway, in spite of all of the pro-nationalist patois that the Donald spouted to the voters in 2016. He isn't powerful enough to stop the drift towards World Government even if he wanted to - even if he had actually been sincere about all of the promises he once made to his red state clientelle. Obviously, by this point Donald J. Trump is quite torn.

    Global Governance from Geneva is the Agenda of the billionaires in the Men's Club known as the World Economic Forum, the big boys who met in Davos Switzerland in January 2020, to finalize their scheme for the implementation of ID2020 this year. That is the real, ulterior purpose - the elegant solution & rationale - behind the plandemic.


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    Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"

    Are you promoting this Fox Views' ultra right wing, pro-Trump propaganda? Or are you posting this to inform those of us who oppose Trump about how the Trump party-line distorts and vilifies mainstream news media?

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    I find your metaphor for watching cnn as self lobotomy extremely disgusting and judgemental of those regularly do it. Let's just call it boring.

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    CNN has been caught by the tail so many times for specious reporting that there is actually a Wikipedia page dedicated to "CNN Controversies". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies. ... Nothing more tragic than willful self lobotomy. Ideology, ALL ideology, is exactly that.
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    Ho, talk about a "danger to our democracy!!" Fox News alienates so many people from reality. I witnessed it happening to my mother back in the 90's. Lilith

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    There's this... but note that the majority are Fox stations ...
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    Do the research finell. Looks like a mashup of mainstream media, including fox, bashing social media, what we're on, with the same words. Can you imagine that fox and cnn are two sides of the same coin?

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    Are you promoting this Fox Views' ultra right wing, pro-Trump propaganda? Or are you posting this to inform those of us who oppose Trump about how the Trump party-line distorts and vilifies mainstream news media?

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    There's this... but note that the majority are Fox stations (no surprise) and CBS. I noted maybe a couple of NBC....


    Barry, It was the Whole Shebang * : ABC, CBS, CNBC, CNN, MSNBC, & NBC - as well as FOX - The Whole Corporate Melange. I advise y'all to watch it again, closely; stopping & back-tracking, to take it all in...


    A video compilation proving that countless local news networks read the same exact scripts around the United States is a chilling reminder of the Orwellian, heavily controlled nature of mass media. Even more chilling: The media coverage of this video.


    Yes, what is happening in this video is indeed “extremely dangerous to our democracy”. The viral video, posted online by Deadspin, mashes together segments from a variety of television stations owned by Sinclair Broadcast Group – the largest television station operator in the United States. Dozens of newscasters, reduced to the state of word-parroting drones, are seen reciting the same script, one that obviously came from “above”. The creepy, Orwellian vibe emanating from the video and its clever editing clearly highlights the fact that mass media is owned by a few mega-companies.

    In a twist of irony, the script read by the newscasters ominously warns viewers about “fake and biased news circulating on social media”, the same way Big Brother frowns against “thoughtcrime” in Orwell’s 1984.
    While the video highlights the propaganda function of mass media, it was spun by mass media to generate … propaganda.

    Media Spin

    Shortly after the video went viral, major news outlets responded with engineered outrage and disgust. It did not take long before the blame was put on Sinclair, a “conservative, pro-Trump media conglomerate”.

    A headline about the video using the words “pro-Trump” and “conservative” to deflect the true nature of the problem. = A CNN headline about the compilation video. = Superstar newscaster Dan Rather published an angry tweet about the video.

    The video, which highlights a major problem that is rampant across all mass media, is used to attack one specific company: Sinclair Broadcast Group. CNN is already reporting that Kentucky Democrat candidate Amy McGrath is pulling ads from Sinclair stations and is calling for a boycott. Is Sinclair the only company guilty of such news tampering? Of course not.

    The fact that media sources are attempting to frame this issue in a liberal vs conservative debate only highlights the mediocrity, the lack of objectivity and the complete bias of modern journalism. If journalists were actually about “unbiased” facts, they would point out that all media sources are owned by a handful of conglomerates which are connected to the same world elite.

    Not About Liberals vs Conservatives

    If one closely watches the above video, one can easily note that the same script was read on CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX networks. That means it was read on EVERY major television network in the United States, and these stations are owned by mega companies that are represented in elite organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg group and so forth. NBC is owned by Comcast; CBS is owned by Viacom; ABC is owned by the Walt Disney Company; Fox TV stations are owned by 21st Century Fox which was sold to … the Walt Disney Company.

    The fact that the local news are scripted from above is far from new. This has been happening for decades. Here is an example from several years ago. Mass media is currently spinning the story in order to turn it into a political debate and to attack one specific company.

    By doing so, it purposely ignores the core truth about the video. The news segment was about not trusting “fake news on social media”. Mass media created the term “fake news” to censor and suppress real, factual news that go against the elite’s interests and that reveal unflattering truths (i.e. pedogate).

    In recent years, a growing number of people have been learning important facts through “alternative” news. This has struck the elite with intense fear and panic, causing it to use all of its mass media control to deliver Orwellian warnings about “fake news”. This is what the newscasters were forced to recite on the news. This is not about liberals versus conservatives. This is about truth-seeking journalism versus elite-sponsored propaganda.


    [ Source ]



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    Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"

    I watched it. I understand what I saw. It is a "mashup" that either Fox or Trump's crew created to discredit mainstream news sources. This is the Trump playbook, pure and simple. Like Trump, they discredit facts and the sources of facts.

    Fox and CNN are not two sides of the same coin. They are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fox is extreme right wing with special affection for Trump and his ultra-right, white supremacist, Jew hating base of support. CNN's viewpoint is left-of-center Democrat. Of the major media, MSNBC is the furthest left, what Mort Sahl used to call "left wing social democrats."

    Nothing is more important politically than defeating Trump this November. If Trump is reelectd to another four-year term, he will replace two liberal Supreme Court justices with two far-right justices. They will reverse Roe v. Wade and thus permit states to prohibit abortions. If the Republicans also gain control Congress, they could pass statutes that would prohibit abortions even in Blue states that would otherwise permit abortions. Trump would be a nightmare on other social issues as well, but preserving a woman's right to choose is paramount.

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    Do the research finell. Looks like a mashup of mainstream media, including fox, bashing social media, what we're on, with the same words. Can you imagine that fox and cnn are two sides of the same coin?
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    Re: Coronavirus: "Reality" & "Conspiracy Theory"

    People only allow data into their sensorium that validates their tenuous grip on reality. The chronic seeking of validation is symptomatic of a personality structure unable to update its interpretive framework and is often met with surprise and disbelief when the predictions from their opinion handlers turn out to be a mismatch with reality. Why the mainstream news is still trusted after their utter failure to call the election, the results of the Mueller investigation, the 2 hearings, the invisible "whistleblower", the "impeachment", is beyond me. This is a form of codependency - the masochistic attachment to a wife beater. This inability to flex into the shoes of the opposition to check the validity of their ideas is a cognitive weakness and is being played like a cheap violin by forces who understand subconscious drives and expectations better than the pop psychology and vapid spiritual guruisms the New Age dumbing down process has resulted in. History and Darwin has an irritating habit of removing the more stupid idea from off the food chain. Be stupid at your peril. Notch awareness cannot masquerade as panoramic awareness without being eclipsed by total field data apperception. The more you know, the more you survive in the Age of Info.
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    In Lenin’s little (very important) tome, "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" written in 1916 in Switzerland, before he took power in Russia and sullied his hands with rivers of blood, the revolutionary scholar living in exile postulated that - given the intrinsic tendency in capitalism towards the “increase in power of monopolies” and vertical corporate amalgamation (big fish eat smaller fish) and the formation of cartel monopolies– eventually there would be only One Big Corporation.

    Shades of the Movie, ALIENS ? Perhaps the screenwriter read Lenin.

    Anyway, what we have now is pretty close to all that. We are well on our way. – Six Mega-Media Corporations with talking head sycophants all reading from the same script and all talking with the same spooky Voice.



    = AND =

    Lest we forget,


    "big pharma owns the mainstream media"


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    The chronic seeking of validation is symptomatic of a personality structure unable to update its interpretive framework and is often met with surprise and disbelief when the predictions from their opinion handlers turn out to be a mismatch with reality. Why the mainstream news is still trusted after their utter failure to call the election, the results of the Mueller investigation, the 2 hearings, the invisible "whistleblower", the "impeachment", is beyond me.
    there's a real dissonance there. First, you imply (at least I hope you're implying) that being unable to 'update interpretive framework' is a personality disorder, a point I agree with. So, who on earth would expect MSM to accurately call elections and results of investigations? only those with that personality disorder, I guess. And as I've said before, it's not true that "they" said that unambiguously, no doubt about it, Clinton's fer sure a winner and Mueller will be taking Trump on a perp walk.
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    Dude - add it up. Who are the neocon's and why have they founded the "never Trump" movement within the GOP. You cannot answer that question with the interpretive framework you possess. Trump has been so thoroughly demonized that logic can no longer be applied to anything dealing with him. If you tell me you haven't heard of the "Never Trump" movement by the Bush/Rockefeller CIA neocon crypto nazi Wall St. central banking aristocracy, then you are simply uninformed and will experience surprise after surprise handed to you by the corporate news cabal owned and operated by those same monopolists the Occupy movement was formed to protest against. You do recall the Occupy Wall St. movement, do you not? For the first time since Lenin, the left correctly targeted the brain of the Beast. Then what - distraction, diversion, dissipation,. i.e., the left got played. Why is the left doing the dirty work for these crypto fascist ruling class elitist bastards?! They hate Trump precisely because they cannot control him. The mainstream media has handed you a cartoon version of reality.



    How ‘Never Trumpers’ Crashed The Democratic Party
    By Perry Bacon Jr.


    Anti-Donald Trump activism among conservatives — known informally as the “#NeverTrump” movement — started in early 2016 as a way to stop the businessman from winning the GOP nomination. It failed.
    Even by the slightly broader standard of influencing Republican politics, #NeverTrump has been largely unsuccessful. Trump won around 90 percent of self-identified Republican voters in 2016, similar to past GOP presidential nominees. About 90 percent of Republicans have approved of Trump throughout his first term, similar to George W. Bush’s standing in his first four years in office. And with Trump as the face of the party, Republican congressional candidates won around 90 percent of the GOP vote in the 2018 midterms, just as in recent midterm elections. There is really only one anti-Trump figure among the 249 Republicans on Capitol Hill: Sen. Mitt Romney.

    “Never Trumpers” tried to draft a high-profile Republican like Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan to run against Trump for the GOP nomination. That didn’t pan out either. Facing fairly weak opponents, Trump easily won the GOP primaries that occurred earlier this year. Polls also suggest most Republicans will be strongly behind Trump this November too — he is getting about 90 percent of the Republican vote in head-to-head match-ups with the presumptive Democratic nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden.

    But “Never Trumpers” are increasingly involved in the Democratic Party and have gradually shifted their tactics in that direction — effectively becoming a “Never Trump” and “Never Bernie Sanders” coalition. And they appear to be having more success shaping their new party than the one that many of them had been associated with for much of their lives. Here’s how that shift has happened.

    ‘Never Trumpers’ found a home in the media

    By pure numbers, the anti-Trump conservative bloc is both fairly small and not that remarkable. The group of Republican voters who disapprove of Trump is similar (but slightly smaller) than Democrats who disapproved of then-President Barack Obama during his first term. Conservatives who really hate Trump probably no longer identify as Republicans — 11 percent of Republicans switched their party affiliation between December 2015 and March 2017, according to Pew. But surveys suggest that the share of Democrats switching affiliation in that same period is about the same. It’s hard to be precise about this: Data suggests at most 10 percent of American voters overall are anti-Trump but generally lean Republican.1 That’s not nothing, but between 40 and 50 percent of Americans are likely to vote for Trump in November.

    But while this hard to prove conclusively, anti-Trump conservatives are arguably way overrepresented in elite media, at least compared to their numbers in the general population. The New York Times, for example, has three conservative-leaning but Trump-skeptical opinion columnists — David Brooks, Ross Douthat, Bret Stephens — and no columnists who regularly align with the president. MSNBC has programs fronted by two anti-Trump hosts once closely aligned with the GOP establishment — ex-Rep. Joe Scarborough and Nicolle Wallace, a former communications director for President George W. Bush — and no explicitly pro-Trump hosts. Among the 53 Washington Post opinion writers highlighted on the paper’s website, seven are people who have identified with conservatives and/or the Republican Party in the past but regularly attack Trump. Just four are conservatives who regularly defend the president.2 Numerous anti-Trump conservatives are also featured prominently on CNN.3

    How did this happen? Well, from the media perspective, the prominence of “Never Trump” conservatives makes perfect sense. The readers and watchers of The Post, The Times and MSNBC in particular are disproportionately left-leaning.4 So these audiences probably don’t want too much explicitly pro-Trump commentary. At the same time, news outlets usually like to present themselves as both offering a diverse set of voices and not too closely aligned with one party or the other. So by featuring, for example, George Conway, a conservative lawyer turned “Never Trump” leader5 who sharply criticizes the president in his cable news appearances and columns in The Washington Post, the press can essentially suggest, “It’s not just the ‘liberal media,’ even Republicans were angry when Trump did X.”6

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    well, I was with you till here, anyway.
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    I find your metaphor for watching cnn as self lobotomy extremely disgusting and judgemental of those regularly do it. Let's just call it boring.
    So you read the Wikipedia article then? I have my doubts. Let me disgust you further - here is but one of many web sites dedicated to listing news stories that have been retracted. Yes such things actually exist on the Internet, in profusion and all you have to do to access them is click your mouse. But insecure humans would rather protect their opinions than challenge them and learn. Why? Because hard core, permanently worshiped opinions are not held by us, they ARE us. Somehow they were formed by data coming into consciousness, but are of such a character that they allow no data other than that which are self-validating. Being unable to conceive of a rational, effective or true alternative to one's thoughts, outlooks become permanent and that is a form of lobotomy. No data contradicting of the ego-ideal will ever be allowed into evaluative processes. Believers will learn only what the social approval apparat will allow and will be surprised over and over when the world and its reality turn out to be not the cartoon. Lobotomy. Good luck with that.

    https://www.imediaethics.org/topics/...s-retractions/
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    Dude - add it up... Trump has been so thoroughly demonized that logic can no longer be applied to anything dealing with him. If you tell me you haven't heard of the "Never Trump" movement by the Bush/Rockefeller CIA neocon crypto nazi Wall St. central banking aristocracy, then you are simply uninformed and will experience surprise after surprise handed to you by the corporate news cabal owned and operated by those same monopolists ....
    I think we're going in circles here. Sure, colloquially you can say Trump's been demonized. And sure, the "Never Trump" movement exists as a reasonably well defined group, and I don't dispute your characterizations of those who are in it. And I do know Comey and George Conway aren't my friends.

    But there are plenty of people who also feel aligned with "Never Trump", who might reject association with the neocons.

    Trump might actually deserve most of the negative characterizations he gets; "demonization" implies it's all shaped by an agenda, which I dispute. He's worked hard to earn any opprobrium he gets from thinking people, as well as those few who may never have figured out what the media-labeled "Never Trump" group has in common.

    You do keep characterizing most people as easily surprised, continually led by carefully coordinated media to shallow conclusions. I reluctantly keep pointing out that it's not that simple, we may be generally a bit stupid but not that stupid, and that it's totally predictable that those with vested interests in the status quo aren't acting in our best interests -- and a lot of your conclusions are built on assertions you make to bridge gaps in the evidence, all of which fit a predictable pattern.
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    Neither. Someone asked a question in wanting this video, and I posted it in responding. Next time, consider not assuming and ask... because your questions don't allow for anything other than making people wrong.

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    Are you promoting this Fox Views' ultra right wing, pro-Trump propaganda? Or are you posting this to inform those of us who oppose Trump about how the Trump party-line distorts and vilifies mainstream news media?

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    You may be right. I may have no idea of the dimension of the struggle we are enmeshed within or the historic antecedents the latter day fascists draw upon. I may just be spouting some manufactured siezed upon opinion. Who has time to investigate the thoughts of the opposition? And why bother, nothing to be learned there. They are misled idiots and sociopaths. Demons, actually. The opposition is composed of demons. Curse them and fill you breast with pride. Check out the below URL...

    www.walteralter.com/psyops.htm.

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    I think we're going in circles here. ...
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    You may be right.
    I think so.
    Quote The opposition is composed of demons.
    no, I don't think so
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    Nice bit of context removal, there. Natural talent?

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    I think so.no, I don't think so
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    "This is Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy"

    [SCRIPT]


    By
    Erin Bromhead




    Have you ever heard anything more spine-chilling in your life?

    America’s largest local TV station owner, Sinclair Broadcast Group, recently forced its local news anchors to read a Trump inspired script, touting the importance of “honest journalism” and denouncing “the troubling trend of irresponsible, one sided news stories plaguing our country.”


    Sinclair have long been accused of pushing conservative views and coverage on their local channels. Sports news site Deadspin released this video over the weekend, compiling dozens of TV News Anchors from across America reciting the speech in unison like drugged zombies from a dystopian nightmare that it is beginning to feel very much like real life.


    Here is the script in full, based on the KOMO (Seattle) version.



    Hi, I’m(A) ____________, and I’m (B) _________________


    (B) Our greatest responsibility is to serve our Northwest communities. We are extremely proud of the quality, balanced journalism that KOMO News produces.


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    Nice bit of context removal, there. Natural talent?
    may not be quite fair, but may be a bit funny.
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    I don't know who created the video, it's credited to old grey beard, who from his other videos belongs on wacco. However it's sophistication and length indicates plagiarism.

    Fox and cnn at opposite ends of mainstream us politics is a coin. Sure it matters if you pick heads or tails. Its a facinating game. I find fox more interesting when i bother.

    My father in law voted for trump, he's a South African Jewish emigrant Republican zionist. I dont know if he will again. We don't talk politics much. It's hard for me to imagine trump winning again, but I didn't think he would the first time. And I certainly don't believe it would be the end of the world!

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    I watched it. I understand what I saw. It is a "mashup" that either Fox or Trump's crew created to discredit mainstream news sources. This is the Trump playbook, pure and simple. Like Trump, they discredit facts and the sources of facts.

    Fox and CNN are not two sides of the same coin. They are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fox is extreme right wing with special affection for Trump and his ultra-right, white supremacist, Jew hating base of support. CNN's viewpoint is left-of-center Democrat. Of the major media, MSNBC is the furthest left, what Mort Sahl used to call "left wing social democrats."

    Nothing is more important politically than defeating Trump this November. If Trump is reelectd to another four-year term, he will replace two liberal Supreme Court justices with two far-right justices. They will reverse Roe v. Wade and thus permit states to prohibit abortions. If the Republicans also gain control Congress, they could pass statutes that would prohibit abortions even in Blue states that would otherwise permit abortions. Trump would be a nightmare on other social issues as well, but preserving a woman's right to choose is paramount.

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    Sorry, another bad attempt at humor. I actually thought the lobotomy metaphor for watching main stream media was a little over the top, unkind to those who enjoy it, although humorously accurate in a somewhat disgusting way. Since my experience is often boredom and the icepick lobotomy is basicly a boring action I mashed it up in sly attempt at humor in honor of your disgusting metaphor. Twisted I know.

    Btw I love it when I and others challenge my opinions. And I find disgust to be a useful emotion to explore my own bias. I'm glad icepicks are no longer used for brain surgery. Now we use psychotropics, which I guess is better? Main stream media now seems kind of benign.

    You know, in a kind of useless growth taking up brainspace way.

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    I watched it. I understand what I saw. It is a "mashup" that either Fox or Trump's crew created to discredit mainstream news sources. This is the Trump playbook, pure and simple. Like Trump, they discredit facts and the sources of facts.

    Wrong. This is just about the exact opposite of the actual reality. As I quoted, above:

    America’s largest local TV station owner, Sinclair Broadcast Group, recently forced its local news anchors to read a Trump inspired script, touting the importance of “honest journalism” and denouncing “the troubling trend of irresponsible, one sided news stories plaguing our country.”

    Sinclair have long been accused of pushing conservative views and coverage on their local channels. Sports news site Deadspin released this video over the weekend,
    [April 1, 2018] compiling dozens of TV News Anchors from across America reciting the speech in unison like drugged zombies from a dystopian nightmare that it is beginning to feel very much like real life.” [Source]

    = And =

    If one closely watches the above video, one can easily note that the same script was read on CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX networks. That means it was read on EVERY major television network in the United States, and these stations are owned by mega companies that are represented in elite organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg group and so forth. NBC is owned by Comcast; CBS is owned by Viacom; ABC is owned by the Walt Disney Company; Fox TV stations are owned by 21st Century Fox which was sold to … the Walt Disney Company”. [Source]


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    Fox and CNN are not two sides of the same coin. They are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fox is extreme right wing with special affection for Trump and his ultra-right, white supremacist, Jew hating base of support.


    This is errant nonsense. For a solid rebuttal of this simplistic spin on reality, read up on Chris Hedges' critique of the so-called “liberal media.” Also, read up on the function of the “controlled dialectic” – This is a field in which “Amerika’s foremost public intellectual” Noam Chomsky is particularly instructive – and correct.

    And - whatever tendencies towards "Jew-hating" might lodge in the bosoms of his "base"- in Real Time, Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu are allies on the Global game board. Besides that, Rupert Murdoch - the primary architect & creator of the FOX News Channel - is Jewish. Pressed to Answer, I wonder how Finell would explain the cognitive dissonance of that.

    Beyond that, the so-called “political spectrum” is not a line-segment * [ See footnote ] floating somewhere in Space. In plain terms, that is a false depiction & understanding of the so-called "Spectrum”. That, Dear Students, is a One-dimensional viewpoint that will land you smack dab in the middle of Flatland - among the clueless denizens of that pitiful place. In the four-dimensional political reality in which we actually live, the “Spectrum” looks more like this: @ [See footnote ]

    As I wrote, in a tiny left-wing bi-monthly produced out in Occidental back in the 1990’s:

    “…the Power Elite in America have set up tax-exempt foundations to facilitate the coordination of Left/Right activities, in order to implement the greater dialectical (or thesetical) process and move history in the direction.. [favored by] …the corporate interests of the ruling class.

    The tax-exempt foundations dispense their ill-gotten capitalist largesse (much of which derives from interest collected from the national debt, as well as currency speculation, and various other surplus-value scams) all along the political spectrum - to left, right and center, as well as to the foggy bottom of the political underworld, the "fringes" of Left and Right.

    Although the power elite transcend the political spectrum and are seldom visible in the political arena… their fingerprints are all over the whole thing, and their bag-men and liaisons are in almost every camp of any size.

    Beneath the tax-exempt foundations, …think tanks… target various segments of the political spectrum and serve as transmission-belts for implementing policy directives.

    These think tanks formulate the unique language (dialectics) tailored to suit and influence the thinking of the various targeted strata across the political spectrum… Various sectors of the Spectrum are apportioned various Analyses, each of which contains a core element of historical truth, (lending it a certain validity) as well as current Ideological & Economically derived applications.

    These various Ideologies all contain elements that are seemingly antithetical to the "hands" held by other players. In the dialectical (thesetical) process, the [power elite] via the Foundations, set the various political formations in conflict, each holding a thesis or antithesis originating in the various think tanks.

    In turn, the Syntheses that are hammered out by means of this process of orchestrated dialectical conflict, become, in turn, a new thesis, or antithesis, and thus the historical process is "shepherded" by the ruling class elite.

    It is this constant enmity or political strife within the spectrum, which gives the whole thing its incredible dynamism, its electric drive. It is what makes the Mobius = Continuum turn. The various "stations" along the spectrum, are like seats on a Merry-go-Round: segregated, isolated, and locked into specific "party-spirit" consciousness.

    Although this Dialectical Merry-go-round may be said to spin, in reality, the Geometry of the spectrum cannot be a circle. Rather, it is more on the order of a Mobius strip. It is not a circle, because it is twisted; possessing an intrinsic twistedness…”
    [ Source (on Archive.org) ]

    In retrospect, I think that the Mobius=Continuum can best be likened to the Roller Coaster at Coney Island; loop de loop & all. It is a diversion - and, like Monday Night Football, it is merely 'bread & circuses' for the masses.

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    CNN's viewpoint is left-of-center Democrat. Of the major media, MSNBC is the furthest left, what Mort Sahl used to call "left wing social democrats."
    Again, this is errant nonsense - to the point of being ludicrous. Imagine the executives of MSNBC searching for alumni from the hungry i to employ as anchors on their network in order to reach their targeted “left / liberal” audience.

    If Finell really believes his own words he is an idiot. If not, he is a deceiver. You, reader, have a choice of what to believe about Finell - who is in over his head down in this Ward. Doesn’t he know that a body can get drowned down here when the levee breaks?

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    Nothing is more important politically than defeating Trump this November. If Trump is reelectd to another four-year term, he will replace two liberal Supreme Court justices with two far-right justices. They will reverse Roe v. Wade and thus permit states to prohibit abortions.

    If the Republicans also gain control Congress, they could pass statutes that would prohibit abortions even in Blue states that would otherwise permit abortions. Trump would be a nightmare on other social issues as well, but preserving a woman's right to choose is paramount.
    Not so. Nothing is more important in 2020 for you personally, Dear Reader, than that you resist receiving the “mark of the beast” – the digital chip which the billionaires of the private Men’s Club known as the “World Economic Forum” intend to stamp you with. Read up on ID2020

    That, Dear Reader, is more important than whether or not Joe Biden & the Democrat party defeats Donald Trump in November. It should be more important to you and your soul than even the continuity of the survival of your own body in “life”.

    It is an intellectual , soulical , and deeply spiritual choice = All three. For, to maintain the integrity of your soul in 2020, you must be willing to lay down your life and be willing to suffer martyrdom for this.

    Forget the pro-vaxx admonitions, democrat party platitudes and ward-healer bromides of this dubious character, Steve Finell.

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    Anti-Donald Trump activism among conservatives — known informally as the “#NeverTrump” movement — started in early 2016 as a way to stop the businessman from winning the GOP nomination. It failed.
    Even by the slightly broader standard of influencing Republican politics, #NeverTrump has been largely unsuccessful. Trump won around 90 percent of self-identified Republican voters in 2016, similar to past GOP presidential nominees. About 90 percent of Republicans have approved of Trump throughout his first term, similar to George W. Bush’s standing in his first four years in office. And with Trump as the face of the party, Republican congressional candidates won around 90 percent of the GOP vote in the 2018 midterms, just as in recent midterm elections. There is really only one anti-Trump figure among the 249 Republicans on Capitol Hill: Sen. Mitt Romney.

    “Never Trumpers” tried to draft a high-profile Republican like Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan to run against Trump for the GOP nomination. That didn’t pan out either. Facing fairly weak opponents, Trump easily won the GOP primaries that occurred earlier this year. Polls also suggest most Republicans will be strongly behind Trump this November too — he is getting about 90 percent of the Republican vote in head-to-head match-ups with the presumptive Democratic nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden.

    But “Never Trumpers” are increasingly involved in the Democratic Party and have gradually shifted their tactics in that direction — effectively becoming a “Never Trump” and “Never Bernie Sanders” coalition. And they appear to be having more success shaping their new party than the one that many of them had been associated with for much of their lives. Here’s how that shift has happened.

    ‘Never Trumpers’ found a home in the media

    By pure numbers, the anti-Trump conservative bloc is both fairly small and not that remarkable. The group of Republican voters who disapprove of Trump is similar (but slightly smaller) than Democrats who disapproved of then-President Barack Obama during his first term. Conservatives who really hate Trump probably no longer identify as Republicans — 11 percent of Republicans switched their party affiliation between December 2015 and March 2017, according to Pew. But surveys suggest that the share of Democrats switching affiliation in that same period is about the same. It’s hard to be precise about this: Data suggests at most 10 percent of American voters overall are anti-Trump but generally lean Republican.1 That’s not nothing, but between 40 and 50 percent of Americans are likely to vote for Trump in November.

    But while this hard to prove conclusively, anti-Trump conservatives are arguably way overrepresented in elite media, at least compared to their numbers in the general population. The New York Times, for example, has three conservative-leaning but Trump-skeptical opinion columnists — David Brooks, Ross Douthat, Bret Stephens — and no columnists who regularly align with the president. MSNBC has programs fronted by two anti-Trump hosts once closely aligned with the GOP establishment — ex-Rep. Joe Scarborough and Nicolle Wallace, a former communications director for President George W. Bush — and no explicitly pro-Trump hosts. Among the 53 Washington Post opinion writers highlighted on the paper’s website, seven are people who have identified with conservatives and/or the Republican Party in the past but regularly attack Trump. Just four are conservatives who regularly defend the president.2 Numerous anti-Trump conservatives are also featured prominently on CNN.3

    How did this happen? Well, from the media perspective, the prominence of “Never Trump” conservatives makes perfect sense. The readers and watchers of The Post, The Times and MSNBC in particular are disproportionately left-leaning.4 So these audiences probably don’t want too much explicitly pro-Trump commentary. At the same time, news outlets usually like to present themselves as both offering a diverse set of voices and not too closely aligned with one party or the other. So by featuring, for example, George Conway, a conservative lawyer turned “Never Trump” leader5 who sharply criticizes the president in his cable news appearances and columns in The Washington Post, the press can essentially suggest, “It’s not just the ‘liberal media,’ even Republicans were angry when Trump did X.”6

    Continues here
    A very interesting realpolitic analysis of the current situation in the Duopoly, Walter Alter. Thanks for the link. But, as I wrote here, in Amerika we live in a Duopoly. And, as my little, socialist Jewish grandmother from Flatbush correctly opined back in 1934,

    "Ever since the aftermath of the Compromise of 1877 worked out so well for the plutocrats, the bi-partisan Party bosses have been meeting in a smoke-filled room in a Men's Club in Mid-town Manhattan on election years, before the Primaries, to work out who will run in the coming elections - Who will win, place, & show - and where the patronage will go..."

    - Edith Fleischer Liggett, in "The Mid-West American," Rochester, Minnesota, 1934.

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    I don't know who created the video, it's credited to old grey beard, who from his other videos belongs on wacco. However it's sophistication and length indicates plagiarism.

    Fox and cnn at opposite ends of mainstream us politics is a coin. Sure it matters if you pick heads or tails. Its a fascinating game. I find fox more interesting when i bother...


    @ 3:20 in the video above, there is a CNN interview of the creator of the “viral video” - Tim Burke - formerly of Deadspin.


    A little background information:


    who owns cnn msnbc and nbc


    who owns fox news network




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    This is Where the Pay-dirt Can Be Found :


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    Check
    Out This Virus :



    This is the Mother Lode of Covidity

    You see, it is {italics] a "designer" virus; a viris that has arrived complete with
    its own website {underline] that is two hundred (yes, 200) layers deep. - A virus
    on a mission - a “Crown-virus" that has arrived on the World scene in order
    to hasten "Global Governance."


    What is a "Crown Virus"?


    Study Up:

    World Economic Forum: Strategic Intelligence Covid-19:



    Before you click on the link ^above^ -Just a little explanation :

    New World Order Explained ~ Covid Action Plan ~ Fema Whistleblower

    Study up. This is what the Billionaires has been planning for us field-negroes...




    The website was up and running in Mid-January, in time for the 2020 World Economic Forum Meeting of those wonderful, lovable, beautiful, jet set, Billionaire Globalists in Davos, Switzerland.

    Question: How Long does it normally take to build a Website with a Platform that is Two Hundred {200} layers deep?

    Maybe some of you west county whiz kids can figure that one out.

    From now on, I'd like to keep this thread on Track.

    This *is *the *Rail...


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