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    Coronavirus and Politics

    Let use this thread for discussing anything to do with politics and Coronavirus, including any comments about Trump, congress, etc.

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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Quote cyberanvil wrote: View Post
    If product is not available, no policy can magically produce such.
    You are wrong. Supply does not drive demand, demand drives supply. The magical policy is simple: write the orders and offer a viable price. I assure you that the product will magically appear.

    Patrick Brinton
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Re test kits, nope, it was not supply chains relocating to China. It was Trump stalling for time so his friends in Quest and LabCorps could come up with their own kits, rather than use the widely available, less expensive kits that WHO was making available to any and all countries.

    https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/20...-are-test-kits

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    And the causes for lack of testing? Could it be that American greed caused supply chains to relocate to China? Even now China refuses to shipped needed circuit boards (and other supplies) for ventilator manufacture to the US. Such a high percentage of pharmaceuticals and medical equipment comes from China that they can control the flow on what's available in the US. Really, it wouldn't matter what administration would be in charge. The problems would be the same. Material shortages are in evidence and not because of policy.
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Quote wisewomn wrote: View Post
    Re test kits, nope, it was not supply chains relocating to China. It was Trump stalling for time so his friends in Quest and LabCorps could come up with their own kits, rather than use the widely available, less expensive kits that WHO was making available to any and all countries.

    https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/20...-are-test-kits
    I'm unable to see article.... says 'secure connection failed'..
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    You are wrong. Supply does not drive demand, demand drives supply....
    You're missing the point or to put a point on it, you are wrong. When supply chains are moved to China, they don't get rebuilt in the US overnight.
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    Re test kits, nope, it was not supply chains relocating to China. It was ...
    "Earlier in March, the FDA commissioner, Dr. Stephen Hahn, answered a question about why the United States had not used the WHO test design, saying: "the WHO does not have its own test that it is distributing globally. It has only posted on its website protocols from some test developers, such as the CDC."Hahn said, without further explanation, that "internationally, different countries have had different levels of success with their diagnostic test development."
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    3/17/2020
    Italy Coronavirus 31,506 Cases and 2,503 Deaths

    3/23/2020
    Italy Coronavirus 63,927 Cases and 6,077 Deaths

    3/20/20
    United States Coronavirus 14,556 Cases and 218 Deaths

    3/23/20
    United States Coronavirus 43,022 Cases and 530 Deaths

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    It's fallen


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    The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coro...sting/2259605/
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    3/17/2020
    Italy Coronavirus 31,506 Cases and 2,503 Deaths

    3/23/2020
    Italy Coronavirus 63,927 Cases and 6,077 Deaths

    https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/

    It's fallen
    Why should this be a surprise? Italy is probably the most inept country on the other side of the pond.
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Quote cyberanvil wrote: View Post
    Why should this be a surprise? Italy is probably the most inept country on the other side of the pond.
    President Trump on Sunday night said that the government would reassess the recommended period for keeping businesses shut and millions of workers at home after this week

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/u...trictions.html

    " I need my cash, here's to you citizens "
    he's just using the wrong finger

    I can just imagine that as a caption to this photo.


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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Quote cyberanvil wrote: View Post
    Why should this be a surprise? Italy is probably the most inept country on the other side of the pond.
    and, again, the gratuitous insult. Based on what knowledge??

    I'm not innocent of similar transgressions, I'll admit. It's hard for me to avoid insulting Trump. However, I think he's gone out of his way to decorate himself as a big fat target.
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    President Trump on Sunday night said that the government would reassess the recommended period for keeping businesses shut and millions of workers at home after this week

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/u...trictions.html

    " I need my cash, here's to you citizens "
    he's just using the wrong finger

    I can just imagine that as a caption to this photo.

    Yea Yea, I get it. More Orange Man Bad. Yawn --------
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    and, again, the gratuitous insult. Based on what knowledge??

    I'm not innocent of similar transgressions, I'll admit. It's hard for me to avoid insulting Trump. However, I think he's gone out of his way to decorate himself as a big fat target.

    You are actually denigrating the greatest President in the history of our country?

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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Here ya go:

    Where Are the Test Kits??
    March 16, 2020


    We now know that people who are exposed to the coronavirus begin shedding viruses themselves within 24 hours of exposure, although it can take up to two weeks before they get symptoms. Healthcare workers and people in regular contact with large numbers of people should be tested regularly or perhaps even daily. Meanwhile, the Trump administration has been withholding tests because Donald Trump thought that high numbers of known infections would hurt his chances of getting reelected in November.

    We are the only developed country in the world that is not making available the World Health Organization test kit, which has been out for months and is widely available. The two for-profit companies that Trump has authorized to make money on the test kits processed a couple thousand tests yesterday. That is supposed to be good news. Americans know better...

    -Thom Hartmann
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    Here ya go:
    Thanks Wisewomn... I appreciate it.. and Thom Hartmann..
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

    I am more skeptical of Trump apologists than you are, Cyber. Clearly.

    US could/should have requested test kits from WHO when the virus was first announced. Instead, Trump went on record denying the importance of COVID-19, then lying about the US level of preparedness and the number of test kits we had at hand. The first 250,000 US kits gave flawed results, further delaying meaningful action against the virus. Trump has pretty much consistently mishandled the pandemic in order to preserve his own misguided self-image. No amount of his or anyone else's spin will change that fact.

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    "Earlier in March, ..
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    Where Are the Test Kits??
    ..
    A simplistic and wobbly explanation.

    Top Suppliers of Medical Testing Kits

    https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/t...its-suppliers/
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

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    Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

    I am more skeptical of Trump apologists than you are, Cyber. Clearly.

    US could/should have requested test kits from WHO when the virus was first announced. Instead, Trump went on record denying the importance of COVID-19, then lying about the US level of preparedness and the number of test kits we had at hand. The first 250,000 US kits gave flawed results, further delaying meaningful action against the virus. Trump has pretty much consistently mishandled the pandemic in order to preserve his own misguided self-image. No amount of his or anyone else's spin will change that fact.
    Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda.

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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    Here's another:

    Would Trump Get Away With Letting 2 Million Americans Die?

    A joke floating around on the Internet says, "How do you know if you have coronavirus? Just cough in a rich person's face and wait for the results to come back." The joke highlights the fact that rich and powerful people all across the country are easily and quickly getting themselves tested, but people who may have been exposed - and in most of the country who may even have symptoms but not severe symptoms - can't get tested.

    The United States and South Korea diagnosed their first cases on the same day back toward the end of January. South Korea activated their pandemic response teams, had a test approved and deployed within a week, and have now tested over 300,000. They have this thing under control, and their hospitals are not melting down.

    Trump, instead, chose not to put back into place the pandemic response teams that he had fired back two years ago, and gave responsibility for the coronavirus to Jared and Pence. Jared had his brother-in-law ask for advice on Facebook, producing a computer print out page of suggestions for people that Trump passed out last week. Mike Pence chose to basically do nothing. And so the world is watching as American hospitals are begging people to sew masks and protective clothing in their homes and donate them to the hospitals.

    Over at the Senate, Mitch McConnell is trying to come up with a $500 billion slush fund that "Foreclosure King" Steve Mnuchin can give to anyone he wants with absolutely no oversight, no accountability, and no ability for the public to ever know how the money was used.

    And now the media is reporting the Trump is getting "tired of social distancing." He's refused to even model it in his press conferences, demanding that his people cluster close to him, while Axios is reporting that Trump wants to encourage Americans to forget about the quarantine and go back to work so the market will go back up and he'll get reelected. And he wants his hotels bailed out as soon as possible.

    Epidemiologists tell us the worst case scenario is 2 million dead Americans if we don't engage in massive social distancing right now. Trump is willing to let Americans die and to let this virus rage out of control, as long as there's a bail out for his own businesses and the Fed can get the stock market back up.

    -Thom Hartmann
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    There appears to be great demand and, despite a prodigious list of suppliers, very little supply.

    Among many wars going on, this seems to be part of that between globalists and the MAGA; corporations and people; etc...

    Then there is this: Coronavirus: Israel’s Mossad Acquires 100,000 ‘Unusable’ Test Kits
    The health ministry said tests missing key components, as Israel records 529 confirmed COVID-19 infections
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/corona...t-kits/5707157
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    These relate to the economy. It is very clear that the current crash began in September 2019, when Fed started giving billions to repo market on Wall Street. This was not reported in mainstream media. Glass-Steagall Act should be reinstated... Excellent information at: https://wallstreetonparade.com/

    Worst Financial Crisis since 1929: Fed’s $1.5 Trillion Stimulus Bill. Long Term Solutions Ellen Brown
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/social...-fails/5707085

    Everything Accomplished During the Great Depression to Make Capitalism Workable Has Been Taken Away Resulting in Economic Crisis that Only Debt Forgiveness Can Mitigate
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/everyt...tigate/5707180

    A Debt Jubilee is the Only Way to Avoid a Depression Michael Hudson
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03...-a-depression/
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    So Pelosi is pushing a 1400 page document that has many parts unrelated to the Pandemic. It's basically a document that pushes the Green Agenda. Way to go Nancy.

    Yahoo: Dem Rep. Told Colleagues Coronavirus Bill Is ‘Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision’
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    "...And now the media is reporting the Trump is getting "tired of social distancing." He's refused to even model it in his press conferences, demanding that his people cluster close to him,..."

    Sounds good to me. Is this evolution in action so we have fewer Trumptards and no Trump come election day? Go Trump
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    What would Joe do?

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/joe-biden-gaffe-alert-stuns-043232408.html

    And this is Presidential material?
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    Re: Coronavirus and Politics

    First there is no pandemic, then there is, then its back to work as pendulum swings yet again; Trump appears to be a ventriloquist puppet for whatever PTBe decides to call the shots. He is not the boss.

    'Oligarchs Are Running the White House': Trump Called Wall Street, Hedge Fund Titans Just Before 'Back to Work' Remarks
    "Trump and Pence are talking to private equity titans and hedge fund moguls instead of figuring out how to help healthcare workers get masks or workers to get wages or borrowers get debt relief."
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...nd-titans-just

    'Looting of America by Big Corporations': Progressives Appalled as Senate Passes Largest Bailout Bill in US History


    Russia's stealth medical aid operation to Italy avoided not only Polish airspace, but US attempts to stop it

    COVID-19: Two Major ‘Waves’ of Global Infection, Towards Global Contamination?

    Coronavirus Did NOT Originate in China: Lombardy Doctors Have Been Dealing With 'Strange Pneumonia' Since at Least NOVEMBER


    New evidence the US did bring COVID-19 to Wuhan during the military games
    (Article mentions vaping death - which may in fact have been virus)

    COVID-19: Evidence mounting that virus originated in US bioweapons lab

    older flu-related, yet VERY RELEVANT article: VIDEO: Coronavirus vs. H1N1: Spanish Nun Speaks out on the 2009 Swine Flu H1N1 Pandemic: “Crimes and Abuses of the Pharmaceutical Industry”
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/a-nun-...pandemic/16059

    'For Common Benefit of All,' Ireland Nationalizes Hospitals for Duration of Coronavirus Crisis, Sparking Demand for US to Follow Suit

    WATCH: In Fiery Floor Speech, Sanders Rips GOP for Relentless Efforts to 'Punish' Poor People

    very sad: Biden actually said this... "We have to take care of the cure that will make the problem worse no matter what"
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