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    Sanders: 36.8; Biden: 55.7

    Different sources, such as the NY Times, Washington Post, and others, continue to falsely assert that Sanders is not winning even though he is. These sources concoct twisted narratives that have nothing to do with reality. This reminds me of the type of Kafkaesque propaganda and mind control displayed in George Orwell's classic, "1984."

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    Re: Sanders leads: 23.6%

    I can't say I've noticed The NY Times, WaPo et al saying Sanders isn't leading. Indeed - they seem to be routinely saying he is the frontrunner when Pete actually currently leads in the delegate count.

    Bloomberg is polling surprisingly high in NV, and we can expect this next debate to both be brutal and change things a bit...

    I'll add that polling isn't with a lot. And Sanders was expected to have massive turnout and a large victory in Iowa... which did not materialize. And he was expected to win BIG in New Hampshire - a neighboring state for him...and while turnout there was huge it was not for him- he barely beat Pete.

    The next round will start changing the conversation some. NV may or may not hold some surprises. South Carolina will almost certainly see both Sanders and Pete will take a beating. And Super Tuesday will see our first big voting by both conservative Dem states AND states that have a substantial black/brown population.
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    Re: Sanders leads: 23.6%

    Sander's lead is real and not an illusion.
    Bloomberg has taken a beating on his racist actions as NY Mayor. I would not mind having dinner with him but I would not vote for him, his run is an attempt to buy the office. I don't want any more Billionaires in office do you? Mike Bloomberg, is Number 8 in wealth in the US according to Wikipedia ,right there with Mark Zuckerberg and Bezos, and of course also owns media. Let's not be bought or fooled into thinking that wealth is a measure of leadership ability or an award for moral character.

    Mayo Pete is a baby compared to the other front runners.

    I wonder how many know that Sanders has actually done more governing than any of the other candidates, he has written, co-written or sponsored and even ghost written over 7000 bills 400 have been passed. Lets talk about something real, his so called democratic socialism makes him like an FDR democrat, or in Canada he is seen as a centrist. If the DEMs hadn't leaned so far to the right (for the $$$$) the middle wouldn't look like the left to you. Stop looking at labels, think of the future of our children and our country and listen to what he is saying, Jesus would vote for this man. He is a straight shooter, honest, hard working, honors others, is not a hater, wants to spend our taxes to create a better quality of life for all, not pay for wars.

    The audience in Richmond yesterday was honestly the most diverse group of humans I have ever been with outside of Disneyland, all ages, all races, LGBTQ, everyone was represented, it was amazing.

    This is a crucial time in our history to make some changes before it is too late.This is not a time to compromise, sure we have to beat TRUMP DUH! But that is not enough and so far all polls show that Bernie is the guy to beat him, definitely not Biden. This is the time we have to elect the person who cares the most about trying to stop climate change, fighting the corporate take over of our government and healthcare, education and those things that make our lives better everyday. I thought being a patriot was about protecting the values that used to make this country a great place, and trying to create a true democratic process. Bernie is the candidate most likely to undue all the heinous crap Trumps has spewed on us.

    Yesterday, Bernie spoke in three different cities to close to 30,000 fans and voters who love him and what he stands for, each time he was energized and authentic, sincere and powerful. I am only 62 (not 78 like him and Bloomberg). So to those who some think he is "too old" well if you can keep up with his schedule you're stronger than me. I am in pretty good shape but I was tired from just getting to Richmond to the rally and back.

    If you aren't paying attention to more than your favorite news channel you might know that he has a massive following, ardent supporters, polls high with Hispanic voters, attracts and mobilizes young voters, has campaign surrogates that can whip up excitement and support as well as he does, millions of working class donors, cross the isle support from people who feel betrayed by Trump.

    I believe that if the DNC and Media would allow the Sanders campaign to exists in the same air of fairness as others we would probably not have to talk to so many doubters and naysayers who seem okay with the compromise of our children and grandchildren's futures. Please don't sell us out and don't settle, fight for what you stand for and believe in because the writing is on the wall if you care about the future.

    I voted already, the primaries count.
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    Re: Sanders leads: 23.6%

    I like Bernie, though I'm volunteering for Warren.
    Is anyone concerned about what I heard on NPR today about Trumpers voting early for Bernie because he would be the easiest for Voldemort to beat?
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    Re: Sanders leads: 27.8%

    Sanders just rose an additional 4.2% for a total of 27.8%!

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    Re: Sanders leads: 23.6%

    I'm not worried about that, Bernie is ahead so they will say all sorts of crazy stuff to undermine his support and try to distract voters. I'm guessing that the sources of wealth and power that he is speaking truth to and about would do a lot to keep that money and power, that's the part of American politics Bernie is trying to change, he wants big money out of politics. Who want s to keep Citizen's United? who are the 1%

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    I like Bernie, though I'm volunteering for Warren.
    Is anyone concerned about what I heard on NPR today about Trumpers voting early for Bernie because he would be the easiest for Voldemort to beat?
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    Re: Sanders leads: 27.8%

    Yea, let's get big money out of politics. Now why is Bloomberg in second? Sorta strange don't you think?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cratic-primary
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    Re: Sanders leads: 23.6%

    Here's an interesting article on Warren:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...nd-her-gender/

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    I like Bernie, though I'm volunteering for Warren....
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    Re: Sanders leads: 23.6%

    Good article thanks for sharing the link.
    Quote wisewomn wrote: View Post
    Here's an interesting article on Warren:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/0...nd-her-gender/
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    David, if you had to choose between Trump and Sanders, who would you vote for?

    I don't know about you but I'm voting for Sanders.

    Quote SonomaPatientsCoop wrote: View Post
    I can't say I've noticed The NY Times, WaPo et al saying Sanders isn't leading. Indeed - they seem to be routinely saying he is the frontrunner when Pete actually currently leads in the delegate count...
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

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    David, if you had to choose between Trump and Sanders, who would you vote for?
    Trump. No questions. No qualms.

    Why? Because Bernie does *not* have the support in congress to get any of his proposals through. And the few things he can try and do via EO... Trump has thoroughly stacked the Federal courts.

    While I agree with Bernie- in part or in whole on most everything (domestic) ... I do not see him being able to accomplish anything meaningful (as he has failed to do in his decades in congress).

    Add to this that all signs point to a recession within the next year or so (never mind the current coronavirus impacts)...and...

    Sanders will be a 1 term president, and guarantee the left does not hold power for over a decade. I'd prefer to let Trump bear responsibility... and keep the "R's" out of power for a good decade...
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    Quote SonomaPatientsCoop wrote: View Post
    Trump. No questions. No qualms.

    Why? Because Bernie does *not* have the support in congress to get any of his proposals through. And the few things he can try and do via EO... Trump has thoroughly stacked the Federal courts.

    While I agree with Bernie- in part or in whole on most everything (domestic) ... I do not see him being able to accomplish anything meaningful (as he has failed to do in his decades in congress).

    Add to this that all signs point to a recession within the next year or so (never mind the current coronavirus impacts)...and...

    Sanders will be a 1 term president, and guarantee the left does not hold power for over a decade. I'd prefer to let Trump bear responsibility... and keep the "R's" out of power for a good decade...
    Trump's damage may be limited only if there's complete Democratic control of congress. Maybe that'll happen, it doesn't seem any less likely than Sanders as president but a Republican Senate, I'm sad to say. I'm not sure that the consequences of Sanders winning but failing would be any worse than, for example, Buttigieg or Biden winning but being blamed if your pessimistic forecasts about the economy come true.
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    So true, Orwellian for sure. I think the lying and fear mongering of media is starting to wind down, even CNN and Fox have given the Sander's campaign a little of the air that it deserves as the front runner. Why on earth would anyone want to stop the people from having their choice, he is not winning because he is brain washing people, no it's because he inspires people and gives them hope. Healthcare for all like: Today, 18 countries offer true universal health coverage: Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

    Dems who are condemning Bernie and his programs, even if they like another candidate, are not speaking to the needs of the working class, homeless, healthcare uninsured, immigrants, students, children with out early education. WE can do better and aiming high like Bernie does, is the best possible thing for my tax dollars. Those bad mouthers and haters do not seem to care about the dire situation we are the facing. We don't have time to screw around. Global warming has put a fire to our feet! We must move forward in a humanitarian and thoughtful way.

    We have a chance for an FDR like candidate in 2020 and it is Bernie Sanders. WE need A New Deal and the voters voice is what's important here and now.
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    Different sources, such as the NY Times, Washington Post, and others, continue to falsely assert that Sanders is not winning even though he is. ...
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    Wow! Swing that wrecking ball, SPC!

    Quote SonomaPatientsCoop wrote: View Post
    Trump. No questions. No qualms.

    Why? Because Bernie does *not* have the support in congress to get any of his proposals through. And the few things he can try and do via EO... Trump has thoroughly stacked the Federal courts.

    While I agree with Bernie- in part or in whole on most everything (domestic) ... I do not see him being able to accomplish anything meaningful (as he has failed to do in his decades in congress).

    Add to this that all signs point to a recession within the next year or so (never mind the current coronavirus impacts)...and...

    Sanders will be a 1 term president, and guarantee the left does not hold power for over a decade. I'd prefer to let Trump bear responsibility... and keep the "R's" out of power for a good decade...
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    Well said, Robin! And thank you so much for listing all those countries that offer universal health care coverage, as I had been wondering. I can't wait for whoever the democratic candidate turns out to be to list them in his or her debate with Trump!

    Quote laughingrobin wrote: View Post
    So true, Orwellian for sure. I think the lying and fear mongering of media is starting to wind down, even CNN and Fox have given the Sander's campaign a little of the air that it deserves as the front runner. Why on earth would anyone want to stop the people from having their choice, he is not winning because he is brain washing people, no it's because he inspires people and gives them hope. Healthcare for all like: Today, 18 countries offer true universal health coverage: Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

    Dems who are condemning Bernie and his programs, even if they like another candidate, are not speaking to the needs of the working class, homeless, healthcare uninsured, immigrants, students, children with out early education. WE can do better and aiming high like Bernie does, is the best possible thing for my tax dollars. Those bad mouthers and haters do not seem to care about the dire situation we are the facing. We don't have time to screw around. Global warming has put a fire to our feet! We must move forward in a humanitarian and thoughtful way.

    We have a chance for an FDR like candidate in 2020 and it is Bernie Sanders. WE need A New Deal and the voters voice is what's important here and now.
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

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    Wow! Swing that wrecking ball, SPC!
    Pot meet Kettle. Swing that wrecking ball with Bernie... with zero ability to rebuild...

    I can not see Sanders getting his programs through congress. especially since they are far less thought out then Warrens- and his plans to pay for it are fuzzy at best.

    I came of age during Jimmy Carter. I will not see that mistake repeated again (and he had a fully democratic congress). I simply don't care how good your ideas are if they can not become law- and if they will cause a pushback that leaves the Republicans control for 8, 12, 16... years...
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    Yes, why build up when it's so much easier to tear down!

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    Wow! Swing that wrecking ball, SPC!
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

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    ...We have a chance for an FDR like candidate in 2020 and it is Bernie Sanders. WE need A New Deal and the voters voice is what's important here and now.
    Not a FDR fan.

    How FDRs New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ns-poor-people
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    But honestly Bernie isn't FDR anyway. I checked out the CATO "think Tank" website. Libratarianish spin. Less government right now would be good but in general I think this argument that CATO puts out is that taxation is bad. I disagree. I would happily live in a more socialist society, I would sleep better at night knowing that there was less poverty and starvation, better education and more healthcare. I don't care much for personal freedoms if they come at the cost of human lives, quality of life and a kinder more compassionate society.

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    Not a FDR fan.

    How FDRs New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ns-poor-people
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    Quote Robinlp wrote: View Post
    .... I checked out the CATO "think Tank" website. Libratarianish spin....
    yep, they take the trouble to make an academically solid case, but it's not a winning one in my opinion. They're way too impressed by how awful it is to pay taxes, and way undervalue what those taxes buy. Who was the supreme court judge who said something like "I like paying taxes; with them, I buy civilization"? Libertarians are so wound up in the psychic rewards that come from providing for themselves that they really lose any sense of the value of providing for all. They really don't get the same warm fuzzy feeling from working so that public safety, public infrastructure, and public goods are available for the deserving and undeserving alike.
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    Re: Sanders leads: 29.3%

    When you say "getting his programs through congress," do you mean only the House, or do you mean the Senate as well? {Assuming the Democrats gain a majority.}
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    Re: Sanders: 29.3. Biden: 38.8

    Something big is happening across the country. Were going to finish the political revolution we started. We're going to win this election and transform the country, but we can't do it alone. The way we win is person-to-person contact, knocking on doors and making the case for people to get out to vote. Are you in?

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    Re: Sanders: 29.3. Biden: 38.8

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    Something big is happening across the country. Were going to finish the political revolution we started. We're going to win this election and transform the country...
    That seems to be contrary to the reality....

    I'd say you're missing the two most important realities atm:
    1) Sanders has failed to turn out the waves of voters he not only promised, but still seems to believe he had in 2016. (That is, after all, why he demanded, and got the DNC to report not 1 but 3 metrics from the Iowa caucus.
    2) The center left has, outside of maybe Nevada, destroyed Sanders in the voting. He is only currently still competitive because there were so many candidates splitting the vote.

    And yes- we can argue all day about whether Sanders would be much stronger were it not for Warren. Yet, both exit polling and Caucus results do not bear out Sanders getting a majority of Warrens votes. And... it's important to note one group Warren did well with- suburban female voters. If you look at the polling virtually every Dem candidate in a heat to head w Trump won by 10% or so with suburban women. Sanders however- finished even.

    Worth noting here- Sanders was down a whopping 30 points in his home state - just a hair over 50% compared to 80% in '16. Also worth noting he lost neighboring Maine and New Hampshire to Biden.

    While I haven't sat down and crunched all the numbers yet (and all the numbers from Super Tuesday are not in yet... as of thurs or fri LA County still had nearly 750K votes to count, Yolo around 70K, and I assume similar numbers in at least the larger counties)... but Sanders is somewhere around 1/3 of the democratic vote. Certainly no where near a majority.

    Unfortunately it looks like this is Bidens race to loose. Though I will take him over Sanders- who I have zero faith in actually getting anything through congress (nor handling the looming financial crisis) and whose legacy would be handing the Republicans the next 10+ years of the presidency AND congress.
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    Re: Sanders: 29.3. Biden: 38.8

    Yes, the youngsters wearing the Che Guevara black berets (except maybe CA) talked about a revolution, but haven't turned out.
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