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    Re: Discussions with Trump supporters

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    ...Do you remember James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Reagan? As I recall, he said something to the effect that God gave us this world to use fully, and so we should use it up before the end times. I tend to think that the major Trump supporters are like that, and don't care about what they leave for the next generations.
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    • God gave us these things to use. After the last tree is felled, Christ will come back.
      • Attributed in Setting the Captives Free (1990) by Austin Miles, and widely repeated after appearing in "The Godly Must Be Crazy", by Glenn Scherer in Grist magazine (28 October 2004). Grist afterwards retracted and apologized for Scherer's comment, noting that the quotation appears nowhere in Watt's Congressional testimony or any other source it could find. Watt has responded:
        I never said it. Never believed it. Never even thought it. I know no Christian who believes or preaches such error. The Bible commands conservation — that we as Christians be careful stewards of the land and resources entrusted to us by the Creator.
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    Re: Discussions with Trump supporters

    Obviously I never saw the retraction - but what I remembered certainly fit the way Watt acted. Has anyone seen a comparison between Watt's policies on the environment and what Trump's appointees are doing?

    ~Cascade

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    Re: Discussions with Trump supporters

    So be it,
    In which case, the Trump is no different than any other politician, looks good on the outside, but serves themselves for everything else.

    Instead of being critical, what then would you suggest and who do you like??

    It is great to be the sideline critic, but you have asked me for my set of facts and I have given them to you,
    BUT you have offered nothing in return in regards to better suggestions other than being critical about Trump and everything else.

    I find that to be pretty typical of this group, no good ideas other than to criticize whatever you see and not to really try to understand the dynamics of being in a position such as his.
    Please show me something else.
    Ken.
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    So be it,
    In which case, the Trump is no different than any other politician, looks good on the outside, but serves themselves for everything else.

    Instead of being critical, what then would you suggest and who do you like??...

    I find that to be pretty typical of this group, no good ideas other than to criticize whatever you see
    So many things wrong. Hell yes he's way different than pretty much any other politician. I had a boss once tell me that you sometimes have a choice between doing business with a crook and with an idiot. He said, choose the crook because at least you can reason with him. With the idiot, you're screwed. Trump is way worse both intellectually and ethically, unless you really do believe the Hillary-pedophile theory. Even then, she was damn smart. And yes, there's one overriding good idea that's been posted here. Get the bastard out. It's that simple - a great place to start, and it'll pave the way for people who might actually improve things. Deck chairs on the Titanic and all that... worrying about the 'big picture' that you seem most interested in isn't appropriate when he's trashing the place, making future solutions harder.

    I don't share your blanket condemnation of the other politicians, or believe in what little I've learned of your ex-CIA analysts' claims of the forces driving us to perdition. I can't argue on an even footing with climate-change deniers who spend inordinate amount of time on the subject either. For that matter, I can't argue on an equal basis with followers of Baal. That doesn't make their theology right, or climate change a myth, or deep-state conspiracies true.

    And of course there is corruption and people with some selfish motives in politics. Of course economics aren't what Adam Smith is presumed to have said; although he was actually quite the realist himself. I've said, and I suspect others have, that the solution, such as it is, is to push for more transparency, to vote for people with ethics, and to oppose inhumane and destructive policies along with those who support them. That seems like quite a specific set of 'solutions' to me.
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    Hi Ken,

    I don't believe all politicians are in politics for their own benefit. I supported Bernie last time. This time I'd still be glad to vote for him if he's nominated, but I'd rather vote for Elizabeth Warren. She's working to help the regular people, for example fighting to establish the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She understands the trials of people who don't have enough money because of what her family went through as she was growing up. She understands the law - she's been a law professor. She's extremely smart and was convinced by others to go into politics. She uses her spunk and intelligence to fight for economics that will benefit people. She works to give everyone A Fighting Chance (the title of her book published in 2014). She would work hard for all of us to have a chance at a decent life.

    I was impressed by the way Sanders and Warren were friendly at the debate - I think they are both wanting to do what is best for the country, and tearing each other down would not help the progressive cause.

    I definitely don't have answers to the pressing issues of our time. I think we need to be able to have reasonable conversations about possible solutions. I want to see politicians that will support a good solution whether it's proposed by their party or by the opposition.

    ~Cascade
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    I respect your desire, but I have not seen any of the Dems propose any idea that is doable and would actually work. Talk is cheap, but as we have seen through many years of Obama, lots of good ideas, but nothing that actually resulted in anything.

    Bailing out banks when he could have just let them fail, and then hand that same money to the local communities to keep the credit markets afloat.

    Endless war w/ISIS, and DJT knocked them out in a few months

    Health Care that would work, and we get higher premiums and tons of red tape. This one is still in the works, but if we could do private insurance with standardized data record formats we would have a good system to have competition provide a better level of care overall.

    Things have to be financially sound BEFORE they are presented, and none of the Dems show anything of the kind. Bernie is a socialist nut, who does not stand a chance and has nothing that is economically sound, and Elizabeth is not much better.

    I understand that they may 'Sound' good, but there has to be substance beneath all of the words, and NONE of them have anything of merit.
    Just my opinion,
    Thanks,
    Ken.
    BTW, all other nations would love any one of them to get in, for they will return the US to being the worlds piggy bank, and just milk us dry. Not good for us. Think of how you try to run your own household finances, we have to do the same as a country and have not been doing so for over 40 years and it is killing us. Time for us to get our own house in order, and then we can lead the world by example and mentorship, not by handouts.

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    I've had computer problems for five days and am just now wading into the massive puddle of posts. I also have to stop spending so much time on this discussion, which makes me very grateful to you, Cascade, for your excellent posts, which help me feel I can back away gracefully! You say very well what I have been trying to say, but in more detail. Bless you, and long may you last!

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    Is Trump, then, a plutocratic nut?
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    Hey, Cyberanvil, it's good to hear you actually making detailed arguments rather than snarky snipes! Interesting to get more of a feel for the way you see the world...

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    What?! Are you actually saying that the Trumpsters were contemplating a military coup, and even killing Hilary?

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    I'm a bit shocked by your equation of democracy with mob rule! And why should a voter in one part of the country have more power than voters in another part? And why should rural interests be any more or less important than urban interests? We all need food, and we all need industry. Rural voters tend to be more conservative than urban voters, and that would boost Republican power, but is that a valid reason for giving their votes more power than mine?
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    Thank you - and I think I've spent enough time on this topic. It's been interesting, but other things are calling for my attention.

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    Re: Discussions with Trump supporters

    Hi Occihoff,
    I have heard interviews from folks who were working on this Plan that originally started around the 70's or around the Reagan era. This Plan was being developed by the patriotic military insiders, probably Navy and Marines as a means to completely unravel all of the deep state/globalist infrastructure that had been and was slowly taking over and destroying this country from the inside out in the areas of Banking, Media, Intelligence, Politics, Lobbies, Securities, and of course Govt/Politics.

    Being developed through the military minds, it was a full blown system of intelligence, counter-intelligence, and contingency planning to get every last remnant of that system out of the USA.. I know that after Obama, they realized that this was the trigger point, and it had to be done now, or HRC would have been the final nail in the coffin of the USA in retaining its global leadership and sovereignty. After that we would have been plunged into major recession and WWIII to bring us down to a much more diminished state so that we could be more easily integrated into a one world govt as was attempted by the EU under a heavy handed socialist/communist rule.

    As 2016 was the trigger point, and it being a military orchestrated plan, yes I suspect that they had plans for a military coup if HRC had won. I doubt they would have killed her, but prison would have probably been the choice. Thankfully they realized that the public was behind DJT enough that they did not have to pull that trigger, and that the rest of the cabal was so convinced and blinded in their own delusion that HRC was going to win, that they did not see any of it coming, and have been completely befuddled and enraged with everything that DJT has done and are sparing no expense to continually try to discredit him and get him out.

    As in the video below, that was no ordinary election, and quite frankly the survival of the USA at stake. Clearly for the plan to be completed, we need to get the House, more of the Senate, and 4 more years. Otherwise they will probably do everything they can to destroy him and his entire family as payback.

    I feel that it is pretty amazing that he took on the challenge knowing that this is what he was up against, but clearly he did it for Love, and trusted his backers to keep him alive through this process.

    Thanks for the question,
    Ken.
    ps- The original interview was either on Coast to Coast or David Wilcock from a man who called himself Drake.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ

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    Sorry, but that is what Democracy is, and in every situation where there has been a democratic representation, it degrades into Socialism and then Communism because everyone wants the free gifts w/o having to work for them, and then the nations go bankrupt, and then the ruling class takes charge and truly turns the people in to cattle for milking and slaughter. Thats just HISTORY and not my opinion.

    As for rural vs urban, maybe the Founding Fathers realized that over time urban folks get stupid, and rural folks stay smart. I think that I agree. History again.
    Cheers,
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    Sorry to hear about your computer bugs, I have done IT for many years, so if I can help let me know,
    I too have other things to attend to, so may not be quite as prominent as well,
    Ken.

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    Thank you - and I think I've spent enough time on this topic. It's been interesting, but other things are calling for my attention.

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    ...I have heard interviews from folks who were working on this Plan ...
    ok, the red pill is strong in this one. Did it ever occur to you that three things are unlikely to all go together: someone working on this plan, someone willing to be interviewed, someone who's believable. Pick two and I'm with you. But I guess they let Jade Helm get leaked somehow, so they put that one off.

    I'll regret my skepticism as they're putting me up against the wall, I suppose.
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    Wow! I just wish the current Republicans would embrace that Biblical command. They always tout themselves as Godly Christians,

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      • Attributed in Setting the Captives Free (1990) by Austin Miles, and widely repeated after appearing in "The Godly Must Be Crazy", by Glenn Scherer in Grist magazine (28 October 2004). Grist afterwards retracted and apologized for Scherer's comment, noting that the quotation appears nowhere in Watt's Congressional testimony or any other source it could find. Watt has responded:
        I never said it. Never believed it. Never even thought it. I know no Christian who believes or preaches such error. The Bible commands conservation — that we as Christians be careful stewards of the land and resources entrusted to us by the Creator.
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    I totally sympathize, Cascade!

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    Thank you - and I think I've spent enough time on this topic. It's been interesting, but other things are calling for my attention.

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    I'll call it a draw. Ken couldn't be riled, no foamer or ranter he. But can you see the disconnet between the two conversations? Perhaps that's the place to focus. Anyone ready to join the fray? "Once more into the breach, dear friends ...."


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    At least they tout themselves as something, the Dems take no moral compass at all other than filling the air with a lot of talk about themselves. Look at the evidence of the cities and States that they run.

    There are a lot of R's that actually do embrace it, but just not so much in the news.
    Ken.

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    Hi Sealwatcher,
    Thanks for the recognition!!
    I just really despise the type of conversation that degrades into flame and speculation, so I try to keep it on things that have some level of fact or reference and then we can discuss our interpretation of that.

    As for the draw, this is not a contest, but more as an opportunity to learn and understand more for those who are willing to do so. I realize that I have studied this type of material for many years and have a bit deeper interest into the corners than most. Call it speculation, conspiracy, dreaming, or trying to get to the real facts behind the curtain is all a matter of perspective for the story is ALWAYS a LOT deeper than gets shown on the surface. Think of an iceberg painted to look like a tropical garden, a lot of bs and deception.

    I may be all wrong, but for me, looking behind the curtain is the only thing that I have found that truly makes sense and connects the dots over many years and decades of degradation of society. Thus it makes sense to me.
    Take care and thanks for the vote!!,
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    I'll call it a draw. Ken couldn't be riled, no foamer or ranter he. But can you see the disconnet between the two conversations? Perhaps that's the place to focus. Anyone ready to join the fray? "Once more into the breach, dear friends ...."
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    Dear Mr Podfish,
    If you had taken the time to actually look up the interview and listen to a part of it Before throwing out your blessed opinion to the crowds ...

    You would have heard that Drake had been working on the plan and came to the interviewer to release the information as he was given permission to do so and felt that it was time to get this type of info out to the public. As for its plausibility, you may doubt it as a matter of course, but I think that you would agree that NOTHING is as it appears to be on the surface. It sucks that it is that way, but all the big decisions have a lot of undisclosed factors that are the real drivers for the move. So just acknowledging that and being willing to at least consider that possibility is what I am trying to present here. There are no winners or looser's in the discussion, but life will sort it all out soon enough.

    For me, that is just a fact of life, like it or not, and even though I would love it all to be out in the open, evidence does not lend itself to that conclusion. There is a big difference to the issues of a move and the story of the issues to that move.
    Thanks,
    Ken.

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    ok, the red pill is strong in this one. Did it ever occur to you that three things are unlikely to all go together: someone working on this plan, someone willing to be interviewed, someone who's believable. Pick two and I'm with you. But I guess they let Jade Helm get leaked somehow, so they put that one off.

    I'll regret my skepticism as they're putting me up against the wall, I suppose.
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    A truly fascinating dissertation, Ken! I appreciate this clearly expressed overview of the way you see the political world. It really helps me understand where you, and probably Ray, are coming from.

    Of course to me it sounds like an absolutely paranoid reversal of reality. Your belief that it is the military insiders that are the last bastion of sanity and freedom in this country is absolutely mind-boggling. And the presentation of Donald Trump as an almost saint-like figure who is trying so hard to rescue this country due to his abundance of "Love" is incredible!

    Donald Trump, who has worked so hard to enrich the already rich at the expense of our national debt, while showing utter disdain for the poor!

    Donald Trump, who despises the would-be immigrants begging for help at our doorstep, and who happily snatches children away from their parents and throws them in children's prison, while even losing records of where those parents might be!

    Donald Trump, who just hates the fact that Obamacare managed to squeak by, and is trying to do everything he can to eviscerate it!

    Donald Trump, who brags about being so famous that he can get away with grabbing women by their pussy!

    This is the Donald Trump that you apparently regard as some kind of savior to the United States of America?

    And otherwise you sound like such a nice guy!

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    I have heard interviews from folks who were working on this Plan that originally started around the 70's or around the Reagan era. This Plan was being developed by the patriotic military insiders,...
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    Oh, I couldn't resist getting dragged in a little too much today...

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    I'll call it a draw. Ken couldn't be riled, no foamer or ranter he. But can you see the disconnet between the two conversations? Perhaps that's the place to focus. Anyone ready to join the fray? "Once more into the breach, dear friends ...."
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    Dear Occihoff,
    I think that you are forgetting that all that you know about DJT is what has been presented by a media that is totally hell bent on destroying him at all costs, and thus what you are hearing might be just a bit... Tainted.

    Are you saying that if you had a mic and camera for St Barack O, St Bill C, or St Hillary C for the same duration of their lives that they have tried to shred DJT that they would not have come up with a lot more mountains of crap to impress us with. I do not think so.

    Please honor my intelligence even if you disagree with my opinions, and know that there is a big difference act to protecting that which you love vs acting to hate what you dislike.

    Do you open up your home and family to strangers that you do not know?
    Does that make you a hateful person?
    Do you think that it is right to make judgements on a persons actions w/o really knowing what might be driving them to do so from their experience rather than what you might think is right?

    It is easy to make a judgement of someone elses behavior, but a bit different to actually walk in their shoes and see why they do what they do in the moment.
    Be well,
    Ken.
    ps- And yes, I Am a nice guy, :))

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    Occihoff,
    And please do not mock me for a reversal of my world, paranoia, divine Trump etc.
    I thought you to be someone who valued the idea of a rational conversation so a bit surprised by your post here.

    You may want to get votes w/in this community, but I am trying to give you solid and rational perspectives on what and why I think the way that I do. I do this not to think that I can change Wacco from being a Trump-Hating progressive group, but do think that we can have some type of reasonable discussion and thought that you were someone where that discussion could take place. In our own frames of mind, we are all rational people, REGARDLESS on what might appear on the outside.

    It is our ability to walk in anothers shoes that allows a reasonable discussion to take place where we can first establish the facts, and then discuss our interpretation of those facts.
    Thanks,
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    You think the criticisms of the Trumpsters I have outlined in my post have been based on information tainted by the liberal media? Then please address my points and specifically tell me which are factually untrue.

    As for opening my home to strangers I do not know, I point you to the Statue of Liberty that greets immigrants as they sail to our shores. Is that all just empty nonsense now?

    My maternal grandparents saw that statue as they sailed in from their Jewish stedel in Russia around the beginning of the 20th century. They were fleeing poverty and antisemitic persecution. Starting from scratch, they gradually built a scrap metal business, and were able to send their three sons to college (although their three daughters had to work their way to college).

    This is the America I love and believe in. I don't want the upraised hand of the Statue of Liberty bearing the torch of Freedom to be cut off and replaced by a hand raising its middle finger!
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    Dear Mr Podfish,
    If you had taken the time to actually look up the interview and listen to a part of it Before throwing out your blessed opinion to the crowds ...

    You would have heard that Drake had been working on the plan and came to the interviewer to release the information as he was given permission to do so and felt that it was time to get this type of info out to the public. As for its plausibility, you may doubt it as a matter of course, but I think that you would agree that NOTHING is as it appears to be on the surface. It sucks that it is that way, but all the big decisions have a lot of undisclosed factors that are the real drivers for the move.
    we have a major disconnect on how we interpret things like Drake's interview seems to be. (Sorry, I have time to drop pearls of wisdom but not to do deep research into this. I have different hobbies. I'll gladly cop to being overly dismissive if anything actually ever happens). What you see as a glimpse into a well-planned, uh, not conspiracy, but some kind of complex and subtle plan, which we don't know because it's kept well hidden, I see as more likely a pareidoliac's view of a complex, chaotic system. Damn, that cloud looks like a man's face, so it's god looking down at us.

    Your point of view isn't new to me, and you're not the first person absorbed in your hobby I've talked with. Just because there's a dense web of information that mutually reinforces itself, doesn't mean it's a dense web of facts. To bring up symmetry again, I know people who dismiss climate change issues without bothering to understand the research that supports global warming use very similar arguments to what I just posed. Hell if I know how to convince anyone that those people are crazy and I'm right, but there it is.
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    Re: Discussions with Trump supporters

    Oh, come on, Ken! I am not mocking you, I believe I am only accurately restating what your post actually said, and telling you very factually how I react to it. Where do you think I went wrong? Instead of feeling insulted, why don't you just respond very clearly to the questions I raised?

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    Occihoff,
    And please do not mock me for a reversal of my world, paranoia, divine Trump etc.
    I thought you to be someone who valued the idea of a rational conversation so a bit surprised by your post here.

    You may want to get votes w/in this community, but I am trying to give you solid and rational perspectives on what and why I think the way that I do. I do this not to think that I can change Wacco from being a Trump-Hating progressive group, but do think that we can have some type of reasonable discussion and thought that you were someone where that discussion could take place. In our own frames of mind, we are all rational people, REGARDLESS on what might appear on the outside.

    It is our ability to walk in anothers shoes that allows a reasonable discussion to take place where we can first establish the facts, and then discuss our interpretation of those facts.
    Thanks,
    Ken.
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    Re: Discussions with Trump supporters

    Hi Occihoff,
    I have responded to many of your requests individually, and over my many posts included a lot of other info as well.

    I really grow tired of this continual debate and seeming endless requests to prove myself and state my opinion and facts, and do not hear anything of any type of equal level in return.

    Got to run,
    Please be well,
    Ken.

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    Oh, come on, Ken! I am not mocking you, I believe I am only accurately restating what your post actually said, and telling you very factually how I react to it. Where do you think I went wrong? Instead of feeling insulted, why don't you just respond very clearly to the questions I raised?
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