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    Elect a Woman in 2020

    From the Press Democrat , June 8, 2019


    Elect a Woman in 2020

    There are currently 22 candidates for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination. They range from a former vice-president to an activist/writer who has never held public office.

    There are sixteen men and six women in the field. Among the women are four sitting United States Senators, a member of the House of Representatives and Marianne Williamson, the aforementioned activist/writer.

    My suggestion is that, for the good of the country, all the male candidates withdraw from the race. Given the assault on women's health, rights and freedom, this would be a clear signal that the Democratic Party stands with and for women and for the future of the planet.

    There is plenty of diversity by age, race and political perspective among the female candidates. All of these women would drive Trump crazy--and none of them will be bullied.

    What do you say, guys? Do the right thing, and put the good of the country and the planet ahead of your personal political ambitions. We need a woman in 2020.

    Abraham Entin
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    Because Abraham, you don't think that these six women candidates are running for their personal ambitions but all the male candidates unequivocally are? Do you believe that women are somehow above personal ambition as a driving force in their decisions, actions and behaviors? Certainly women should have an equal opportunity as any male counterpart but just as any male counterpart, shouldn't women be judged by their merit rather than simply their gender?

    Now, if you are serious about the good of the country, I suggest we talk about actual policies and achievements of the candidates, not packaging. I personally try to not “profile” when making decisions about friends, employees, contractors, instructors, mentors and certainly not political representatives. If you are in the “future is female” camp I can only say in response: Do the names Sarah Palin and Condoleeza Rice mean anything to you?


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    From the Press Democrat , June 8, 2019


    Elect a Woman in 2020

    There are currently 22 candidates for the Democratic Party Presidential nomination. They range from a former vice-president to an activist/writer who has never held public office.

    There are sixteen men and six women in the field. Among the women are four sitting United States Senators, a member of the House of Representatives and Marianne Williamson, the aforementioned activist/writer.

    My suggestion is that, for the good of the country, all the male candidates withdraw from the race. Given the assault on women's health, rights and freedom, this would be a clear signal that the Democratic Party stands with and for women and for the future of the planet.

    There is plenty of diversity by age, race and political perspective among the female candidates. All of these women would drive Trump crazy--and none of them will be bullied.

    What do you say, guys? Do the right thing, and put the good of the country and the planet ahead of your personal political ambitions. We need a woman in 2020.

    Abraham Entin
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    I think Abraham has a point. If a woman is elected prez, maybe we can begin to stop blaming men for the state of the world. We can include misandry in addition to misogyny when naming blinding prejudice. Personally, I'm most attracted to the cute, smart, gay guy.
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    I would love to see the first woman president of the U.S. But it would be worse to have the current president re-elected. Another option would be to have a good man, such as Bernie Sanders, commit himself to having a woman vice-president, of whom there are many good candidates in the running. That woman could be our next president.
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    All else being equal, I'd like to see a woman be the next president. However, all else is NOT equal. Each candidate offers a unique blend of talents and identities.

    I am also "most attracted to the cute, smart, gay guy", Pete Buttigieg! You can tune into Pete by watching one of his longer interviews, or town halls. Aside from being a talented polyglot, he has an exceptional talent for seeing the bigger picture and framing issues within their larger context and based on the values of Freedom, Security and Democracy. He appears to have taken George Lakoff's lessons regarding framing when it comes to messaging. It's a skill that so many on the left lack.

    He also comes off as just plain reasonable, rather that combative, or as a fighter, who invites others to share his vision in a compelling way. I think he would be very helpful in healing our divided country. While he is very liberal, he makes compelling arguments, to those on the center and even the right, including reaching out to the faith communities by encouraging them to embrace the values (and thus policies) they profess to believe.

    He is also exceptionally real, present, and authentic. Many interviewers have commented on what a genuine presence he brings. At the same time he has made some cutting indictments against Trump, while deftly sidestepping and returning jabs thrown his way. Being that he is such a unique character, and Pete refuses interact with Trump on his low level, I think he will be our best contender to defeat Trump!

    I often forget he is gay. Oddly, in the current backlash against old straight white males, it may help him, in at least the Democratic primary. He also uses it to embrace and include all the other subgroups that experience "othering", be it by race, or gender or....

    He has also all but declared he would select a woman as a running mate. I think there is no doubt that there will be a woman on the Democratic ticket in 2020!

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    A good sense of humor is a wonderful attribute to have – thanks for that Rossmen.

    In regards to the cute smart gay guy – smart as a fox, or sly, as I believe the saying goes. Donning progressive garb in his cute gay guy manner, Mayor Pete is frequently referred to as the centrist left darling of the DNC. Giving lip service to progressive talking points while planning with establishment insiders on how to stop Sanders puts Buttigieg, in my book, at the top of the page with Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke, slippery centrists. But maybe that cute gay guy comment was more humor and I missed it.... so sorry.

    By the way, I would add to that mainstream centrist Dem list a few of those women that we are suppose to be happy with just because they are women; Kirsten Gillibrand and Amy Klobuchar, who at least don't pretend to be what they are not. And let's not forget Kamala Harris, who is the epitome of personal ambition, playing the progressive card, though likely would be the DNC choice behind Biden should he explode before the convention.

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    I think Abraham has a point. If a woman is elected prez, maybe we can begin to stop blaming men for the state of the world. We can include misandry in addition to misogyny when naming blinding prejudice. Personally, I'm most attracted to the cute, smart, gay guy.
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    I guess it's time for me to step back in here.

    First of all, I DID NOT suggest that "we should be happy with any of the candidates... just because they are women." I just said that they are a diverse group. Please, everyone, stop putting words in my mouth or making me a straw person for your ideas.

    Rustie--if it were me, I would have used Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi or Hilary ("Henry Kissinger is a friend and a mentor to me") Clinton as examples rather than Condee and Sarah. But there are certainly plenty to choose from. Actually, I just said that the female candidates are a diverse group (so if you want to nominate a corrupt centrist or corporate democrat) you can find a woman among these just as easily as among the men. I never said or suggested that I supported any of them.

    As far as the "future is female" is concerned, I would say this: In a time of "gender fluidity" I do think that the capacities and characteristics that have historically been labelled "feminine" (empathy, unselfishness, etc) must come to the fore in public as well as private life if we are going to have a chance for a humane future. Whether these are embodied in a "male" or "female" body is certainly less relevant than that they are present and active in the candidate.

    I do enjoy the progression of these threads. I just don't like becoming straw, although I did once play the scarecrow in a production of the "Purim Wizard of Oz". Probably my biggest audience as an actor.

    I will end with a commercial message: My memoir, Living on the Fringe (Steinerbooks, 2018) is available at Copperfields, Amazon and the Sonoma County Library. Please check it out.

    Abraham

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    A good sense of humor is a wonderful attribute to have – thanks for that Rossmen.

    In regards to the cute smart gay guy – ....
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    Nice to see there are some Sanders supporters in Wacco world. If we're looking for serious systemic change, in my opinion, he is the only candidate, who from the Oval, will fight with and for us to seize the moment of this amazing populist progressive movement. And seize it we must. If we dilly dally around like it's a delicious buffet trying a little bit of everything on our plates no one will get 50% on the first ballot at the nominating convention. End result, the DNC will decide for us who the nominee will be via the super-delegates...... just saying...

    And by the way, Bernie has indicted in numerous interviews that he will likely name a woman as his running mate. I personally think it's a safe bet that he will.
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    I would love to see the first woman president of the U.S. But it would be worse to have the current president re-elected. Another option would be to have a good man, such as Bernie Sanders, commit himself to having a woman vice-president, of whom there are many good candidates in the running. That woman could be our next president.
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    Dear Abraham;
    I too misunderstood your intention in your original post. Thank you for your clarification, which I do agree with.
    As a lesbian, a long-time feminist, and a priestess of the Goddess who remembers the matriarchy, of course I would love to have a female president, but not at the expense of any better candidate.

    My name for Hillary Clinton is "Patriarchy In A Skirt". I do not support any of the current female DNC candidates - but also do not support the DNC. I do not subscribe to "lesser evil" voting and voted for Jill Stein in the last election.

    That said, I would not have a problem voting for Bernie as my "lesser evil" in this election if he gets the DNC nomination. Why not have "The First Jewish President"? He wouldn't even be the first socialist president. There are a lot of things I don't like about him, but I would have a lot less to complain about if he were president.

    I lost friends in the last election because so many of my lesbian friends supported Hillary Clinton and some of them were really nasty with me about that. I was accused of supporting Trump because I was so against Clinton. My replies about Margaret Thatcher were disregarded. People in the UK voted for her, knowing how conservative she was, because they wanted their First Woman Prime Minister. That thinking is just stupid, in my opinion.

    Who is going to steer the ship in the direction we want to go? That is not going to be determined by anything other than the person's morals, if anyone has any of those left by the time they get to that level of power, who they owe favors to, which is more realistic, and what are their values. If we are going to choose a criteria for eliminating most of the candidates, let's eliminate anyone who is primarily motivated by personal financial gain, anyone who has a limited scope for problem-solving, and anyone who does not understand social justice and cultural diversity. Who is left? I think it's Bernie.

    Love,
    Emerald

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    I guess it's time for me to step back in here.

    First of all, I DID NOT suggest that "we should be happy with any of the candidates... just because they are women."...
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    It's interesting that this time we calies might have a vote in the bearer of the demo standard. While I vote, as an anarchist I really believe we would be better off without monopolistic violence. So my consideration in adding a grain of sand to the primary is the omnipresent opponent. Who can beat our orange demon of a leader? I appreciate the crowd sourcing scrum of the current democratic feild and will wait to decide, the problem for me is they all believe in democracy!
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    While I respect your opinion that Pete might be the right person for the job, and I appreciate your thoughtful summation of all his valuable qualities, I'm not reading anything from this that indicates what his actual policies are. No argument from me that Buttigieg is a very intelligent person that speaks multiple languages, has a big picture perspective, an appealing style of discourse and is a liberal, gay, religious guy which might enable him to bridge the gap between a variety of social subgroups – but..... what are his politics?

    The summation of what I know about his politics is that he is a centrist left party player Democrat. That might be exactly the standard bearer you would like to see in the Oval, me personally, not so much. I'm hoping we can seat a champion of and for the working class people. Someone who will get in the trenches and fight the health insurance industry, the fossil fuel industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, giant agribusiness and Wall Street. I've heard nothing about Buttigieg, or from him, to indicate he is that person.

    Though it appears that you've attempted to make a case for him as a viable prospect for president I'm still waiting to hear something of substance about him rather than the package. Certainly I acknowledge that some of the qualities you point to are more substantive than merely gender, ethnicity or religion but at the end of the conversation there's no information about his politics, where he stands on issues and what, if any, concrete plans he has to implement his positions.

    I'm repeatedly dismayed at the ongoing discourse around the packaging and personalities of these candidates rather than the issues, policies, alliances and track records that they bring to the table. I suspect that a Buttigieg administration, as well as a Warren or Harris administration, would look like business as usual with a continuation of unfettered capitalism, economic and racial injustice and more market based reactions to social and environmental problems.

    That having been said, if that's the vision one has for our nation then those are probably wise choices. Which brings me to the salient question, what is our long view? Have we thought about what comes after the election or are we so distracted with beating Trump that we no longer consider the big picture?


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    All else being equal, I'd like to see a woman be the next president. However, all else is NOT equal. Each candidate offers a unique blend of talents and identities.

    I am also "most attracted to the cute, smart, gay guy", Pete Buttigieg! You can tune into Pete by watching one of his longer interviews, or town halls. Aside from being a talented polyglot, he has an exceptional talent for seeing the bigger picture and framing issues within their larger context and based on the values of Freedom, Security and Democracy. He appears to have taken George Lakoff's lessons regarding framing when it comes to messaging. It's a skill that so many on the left lack.

    He also comes off as just plain reasonable, rather that combative, or as a fighter, who invites others to share his vision in a compelling way. I think he would be very helpful in healing our divided country. While he is very liberal, he makes compelling arguments, to those on the center and even the right, including reaching out to the faith communities by encouraging them to embrace the values (and thus policies) they profess to believe.

    He is also exceptionally real, present, and authentic. Many interviewers have commented on what a genuine presence he brings. At the same time he has made some cutting indictments against Trump, while deftly sidestepping and returning jabs thrown his way. Being that he is such a unique character, and Pete refuses interact with Trump on his low level, I think he will be our best contender to defeat Trump!

    I often forget he is gay. Oddly, in the current backlash against old straight white males, it may help him, in at least the Democratic primary. He also uses it to embrace and include all the other subgroups that experience "othering", be it by race, or gender or....

    He has also all but declared he would select a woman as a running mate. I think there is no doubt that there will be a woman on the Democratic ticket in 2020!
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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    Quote Rustie wrote: View Post
    While I respect your opinion that Pete might be the right person for the job, and I appreciate your thoughtful summation of all his valuable qualities, I'm not reading anything from this that indicates what his actual policies are. ...
    There's quite a bit at the link below. I'll elaborate when I get a chance....

    https://peteforamerica.com/issues/



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    Re: Elect a Woman in 2020

    It seems to me that you hit the proverbial nail on the head with respect to a Devi-Harris administration, which thankfully has virtually zero chance of happening. You probably got it right with Buttigieg's administration, which has slightly more chance of happening than Devi-Harris.

    However, with respect to Warren, either you have not been paying attention ("she has a plan for that!") or consider her to be something she is not.

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    ... I'm repeatedly dismayed at the ongoing discourse around the packaging and personalities of these candidates rather than the issues, policies, alliances and track records that they bring to the table. I suspect that a Buttigieg administration, as well as a Warren or Harris administration, would look like business as usual with a continuation of unfettered capitalism, economic and racial injustice and more market based reactions to social and environmental problems.
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