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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    And what about AM Radio, FM Radio, GPS, TV,...
    Yes, where to draw a line - if we do.... or, at the very least - come up with alternatives for those in the world: who either don't want the benefits and/or want a respite from effects of being in continuous electrosmog??

    It would be interesting to see response of local and wider government agencies to requests for special buildings or zones, where wireless technology is either blocked or not connected (IF latter is even possible).

    Before 5G arrives, we know for example from:
    5G danger: Hundreds of respected scientists sound alarm about health effects of 5G networks going up nationwide


    increasing exposure to EMF generated by electric and wireless devices.... such as cellular and cordless phones and their base stations, Wi-Fi, broadcast antennas, smart meters, and baby monitors as well as electric devices and infra-structures ... that generate extremely-low frequency electromagnetic field (ELF EMF)
    .... Effects include increased cancer risk, cellular stress, increase in harmful free radicals, genetic damages, structural and functional changes of the reproductive system, learning and memory deficits, neurological disorders, and negative impacts on general well-being in humans. ....
    "And remember, 5G technology is going to take all of this to an entirely new level."

    Independent scientists are raising the alarm: Humanity is becoming more electrosensitive
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-01-...sensitive.html

    One French researcher has found reliable biomarkers among people who have electro hypersensitivity. These include high levels of blood histamine, elevated NTT (an oxidative stress marker), and elevated levels of S100B (a marker of blood-brain barrier leakage).

    Electro pollution expert Dr. Magda Havas estimates that three percent of the population has severe symptoms and a further 35 percent have mild to moderate symptoms when they are exposed to “electrosmog.” She says these people might be able to function in the presence of electrosmog but have symptoms like trouble sleeping, headaches, fatigue, discomfort, movement difficulty, nausea, hearing problems, skin problems and memory loss.
    The safety of 5G technology is finally being brought into serious question
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-...questions.html
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    Resisting is rather moot.
    SpaceX is launching 12k (YES 12,000) satellites by mid 2020's to provide internet access for almost everywhere but the poles.
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    If you are really worried about it there are a vast number of things you can do. There are special paints that block 99% of EMF radiation, coatings for windows etc. Doesn't do much when you are outside but if you want to make a bedroom into a faraday cage it isn't all that hard. Info below.

    How to shield a space from the radiation of cell phone masts, wireless Internet networks (wi-fi), cordless phones, etc .;

    Wireless radiation enters the building easily from windows (unless the glasses have a metal coating) and are blocked to some extent by the walls depending on the thickness and type of structural material.Electromagnetic shielding materials are special fabrics, window films, meshes, wallpapers and paints that reflect more than 99% of wireless radiation due to their special conductive composition.
    • Window films with metal coating or curtains with special weave of copper and silver, are placed on the windows, significantly reducing the levels of radiation due to external radiation sources (eg cell phone masts), since the windows are the most vulnerable points to the penetration of wireless radiation.

    • The walls of buildings reflect/absorb a portion of the external wireless radiation, depending on the thickness and type of the structural material. By painting the walls with electromagnetic shielding paint, we can achieve even greater reduction of radiation in a space, which is usually desirable when there is a source nearby (eg cell phone masts at distance <200 m). The paint can even be used even on the floor. These paints provide higher radiation attenuation rates, even for very high frequency radiation, while also shielding from the low-frequency electric fields (e.g. from wires, electrical appliances, etc.).

    • On walls that are have not yet been plastered or on floors that have not been laid, you can place a special stainless steel mesh. This mesh is stainless steel so it can be easily used outdoors (eg nailing it on the external walls).

    • Electromagnetic shielding fabric which reflects wireless radiation can be placed underneath the sofa or bed when the radiation source is below (eg wireless modem from neighbor).

    • Practical solution for the bedrooms offer the shielded bed canopies. They inhibit penetrating radiation from all directions except from the bottom of the bed (but you can put shielding fabric underneath the bed). With such canopies, you get the minimum disturbance of your sleep from your current and future wireless radiation sources and do a daily break from electromagnetic pollution.
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    Let me take a wild guess... this information came from a web site that sells you all these materials. Duh.

    And this Gerard Hyland bio is BS. Nobel nominations are done by invitation in secret and not revealed for 50 years. So unless “contender” means he wishes he would be nominated, that’s just a lie to make it all seem legit.

    I do wish RF shielding was this easy, that would solve a lot of problems for me in the lab.

    Quote Goat Rock Ukulele wrote: View Post
    If you are really worried about it there are a vast number of things you can do. There are special paints that block 99% of EMF radiation, coatings for windows etc. Doesn't do much when you are outside but if you want to make a bedroom into a faraday cage it isn't all ...
    Dr. Gerard Hyland, Biophysics, University of Warwick, 2 times Nobel Prize contender Medicine [1]
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    For what it is worth, from May 21, 2007 article:
    http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007...arliament.html

    Quote barfly wrote: View Post
    Let me take a wild guess... this information came from a web site that sells you all these materials. Duh.

    And this Gerard Hyland bio is BS. ....
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    Let me take a wild guess... this information came from a web site that sells you all these materials. Duh. ...
    So I would have thought, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I found the EMF protection text on 2 sites that don't be to be selling it.

    See: https://ediovision.blogspot.com/2018...ouse-from.html (includes some trippy graphics)

    and

    https://www.home-biology.com/electro...agnetic-fields
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    I looked at home-biology and it links to sites that sell stuff. I stopped looking as soon as I found meters for sale.

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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    Resisting is rather mute.
    SpaceX is launching 12k (YES 12,000) satellites by mid 2020's to provide internet access for almost everywhere but the poles.
    Possibly moot.... growing list of people making concerns known though:

    Wireless Radiation: Stop the 5G Network on Earth and in Space, Devastating Impacts on Health and the Environment
    International Appeal: There are 26,740 signatories as of December 4, 2018

    By Arthur Firstenberg
    Global Research, June 08, 2019
    The Appeal

    To the UN, WHO, EU, Council of Europe and governments of all nations
    We the undersigned scientists, doctors, environmental organizations and citizens....., urgently call for a halt to the deployment of the 5G (fifth generation) wireless network, including 5G from space satellites. ....The deployment of 5G constitutes an experiment on humanity and the environment that is defined as a crime under international law.
    ....

    If the telecommunications industry’s plans for 5G come to fruition, no person, no animal, no bird, no insect and no plant on Earth will be able to avoid exposure, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, to levels of RF radiation that are tens to hundreds of times greater than what exists today, without any possibility of escape anywhere on the planet. These 5G plans threaten to provoke serious, irreversible effects on humans and permanent damage to all of the Earth’s ecosystems.
    Immediate measures must be taken to protect humanity and the environment, in accordance with ethical imperatives and international agreements.

    5G will result in a massive increase in inescapable, involuntary exposure to wireless radiation

    Also discussed: Ground- and Space-based 5G
    Harmful effects of radio frequency radiation are already proven
    The deployment of 5G satellites must be prohibited
    5G is qualitatively and quantitatively different from 4G
    Regulators have deliberately excluded the scientific evidence of harm
    RF radiation has both acute and chronic effects

    World governments are failing in their duty of care to the populations they govern
    International agreements are being violated
    and more.....
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    What about the old standby - the tinfoil hat? It's cheap, it can be really creative, and is as effective as anything else. Plus it shows how aware one is of the dangers.
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    The problem with a tinfoil hat is if you lay your head back you have made a microwave dish with the focus point the center of your brain. Hey maybe you get really Direct TV. If you start getting HBO let me know. I'm sick of paying for it.
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    growing list of people making concerns known
    Prime Minister of Poland Signs Global Appeal to Stop 5G Telecommunications Transmission

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/prime-...top-5g/5680098 By Julian Rose

    Global Research, June 10, 2019

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    Tens of Thousands of 5G Telecommunications Satellites. Escalating Tensions in a Contested and Congested Space Environment

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/5g-sat...onment/5680082
    By Claire Edwards

    Global Research, June 10, 2019

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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

    More propaganda from a grossly biased web site. The original story had ONE sentence about the prime minister of Poland followed by all the boilerplate talking points which have nothing to do with the article.

    And even globalresearch.ca decided to update this page with a retraction because the headline is fabricated news.

    "...no official confirmation from the Polish government of this historic decision. And there has been no coverage of the issue by the mainstream media."

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    Prime Minister of Poland Signs Global Appeal to Stop 5G Telecommunications Transmission

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/prime-...top-5g/5680098 By Julian Rose

    Global Research, June 10, 2019***
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    from Canada
    http://c4st.org/ontario-doctors-warn...r-5g-roll-out/
    Ontario Doctors Warn of Rising Health Care Costs after 5G Roll Out

    Toronto – Doctors treating patients from over-exposure to wireless radiation will join scientists at Queen’s Park today to recommend the Ontario Government take steps to protect public health before the roll-out of wireless 5G – the next generation of cell phone technology.
    “My clinic is already assessing patients from across Ontario who are sensitive to microwave radiation from their wireless devices......“We expect wireless 5G to add to this burden.”
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    funny kid. I do find things like this a bit of an antidote to "the world's going to hell and the kids are all messed up". Things that they can do, that weren't available when I was their age, are awesome. And there's a lot of engaged and active people out there publishing and creating good stuff. Won't convince our tinfoil gang, any more than their links to anti-emf sites convince me, but a lot more fun.
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    Not a kid. Married with kids. Linus runs the multimillion 20+ employee Linus media group. He's built a professional studio that produces several YouTube channels (over 15mil from YouTube alone) that are translated into different languages and posted on multiple platforms worldwide. Actually is developing his own video platform as a spinoff business (floatplane).
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    An Important film / book to look at the idea of creating doubt where there is none.

    TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ii9zGFDtc

    Merchants of Doubt is a 2014 American documentary film directed by Robert Kenner and inspired by the 2010 book of the same name by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway.[1][2][3][4] The film traces the use of public relations tactics that were originally developed by the tobacco industry to protect their business from research indicating health risks from smoking. The most prominent of these tactics is the cultivation of scientists and others who successfully cast doubt on the scientific results. Using a professional magician, the film explores the analogy between these tactics and the methods used by magicians to distract their audiences from observing how illusions are performed. For the tobacco industry, the tactics successfully delayed government regulation until long after the establishment of scientific consensus about the health risks from smoking. As its second example, the film describes how manufacturers of flame retardants worked to protect their sales after toxic effects of the retardants were reported in the scientific literature. The central concern of the film is the ongoing use of these tactics to forestall governmental action to regulate greenhouse gas emissions in response to the risk of global climate change.[5]
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    Re: 5G in Sebastopol & Graton

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    An Important film / book to look at the idea of creating doubt where there is none.]
    you realize that works both ways, right?
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