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    2018 The "Plan to Burn Northern California" Weaponized Weather Assault

    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?

    Sonoma County video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch
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    Re: 2018 The "Plan to Burn Northern California" Weaponized Weather Assault

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    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?
    Your URL took me to a Youtube commercial for Hulu, so I remain unenlightened. But as i recall, the Rothchilds were the ones who faked the moon landing, shot Kennedy, pulled off 9/11, and financed Hillary's pedophilic pizza shop. They're busy little buggers.

    Cheers—
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    Indeed they are, Conrad. :-)

    "Fear of Jewish influence had its American moment as soon as the Jewish population hit 2%--about the same threshold at which American anti-Catholic hysteria kicked in a century earlier. Henry Ford, America's most esteemed and successful industrialist,became a superfan of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion--the Russian book originally published as fiction (emphasis mine), now purporting to be a nonfiction account of a secret meeting of the global Jewish conspiracy plotting world domination. In the 1920s he underwrote the US publication of a half-million copies. He also conceived and published a four-volume set called The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem: the young Joseph Goebbels and Adolf Hitler read the German translation and became Henry Ford superfans. But after Americans condemned Ford and started boycotting his company, he promptly apologized and backed off, and US anti-Semitism began its steady twentieth-century decline."
    From Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire. A 500-Year History by Kurt Andersen.This is a fascinating account of how the roots of conspiracy theories, religious zealotry, and other fanciful notions have been here in America since its inception. They've come and gone throughout our history right down to our current post-factual world, where they are rampant.

    I have a neighbor who insists the wildfires we're experiencing are caused by the forces behind Agenda 21. To which I reply, "So what? What are we supposed to do about it?" For some reason global climate change just isn't as exciting/sexy for people who buy into this stuff as the idea that mysterious powerful forces are out to enslave us all. Go figure.

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    Your URL took me to a Youtube commercial for Hulu, so I remain unenlightened. But as i recall, the Rothchilds were the ones who faked the moon landing, shot Kennedy, pulled off 9/11, and financed Hillary's pedophilic pizza shop. They're busy little buggers.
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    Re: 2018 The "Plan to Burn Northern California" Weaponized Weather Assault

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    Quote Shandi wrote: View Post
    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?

    Your URL took me to a Youtube commercial for Hulu, so I remain unenlightened. But as i recall, the Rothchilds were the ones who faked the moon landing, shot Kennedy, pulled off 9/11, and financed Hillary's pedophilic pizza shop. They're busy little buggers.

    Cheers—
    Conrad
    and, like Soros, they aren't targeted because of their ethnicity at all. It's just a weird coincidence that wealthy Jews are proposed as evil behind-the scene manipulators. Just because these accusations have been going on since the Inquisition without any actual evidence surfacing doesn't make it unlikely to be true this time.

    (edit: thanks, wisewoman - missed your post when I added this one)
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    "interesting" like hearing someone talk about his encounter with bigfoot is interesting. It's complete BS. I didn't check, but maybe the guy behind that bogus theory is from an area where there aren't wildfires so has no idea. Here you have no excuse. Take a look at any of the burn areas and you'll see this is very common. Hike around Sugarloaf.
    Coffey Park houses didn't burn because of they're in a forest, but they too are "forest fire" casualties. Once a house catches a spark and starts to burn, it'll eat itself from the inside out. The blowing embers are what start it, not well-watered landscaping adjacent to it. jeez... why is it so compelling to torture reality enough to derive these conspiracies??
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    I'm not sure why, but the YouTube link I posted is different than this, but when I went back to find it, I found this which is an exclusive interview with a Fire Captain on the origins of the CA fires. I don't think there have been any official statements on potential causes, and even if what he says is true, I realize there's nothing we can do.

    (I do think it's a good idea to avoid FEMA camps if at all possible.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q

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    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?

    Sonoma County video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch
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    Re: 2018 The "Plan to Burn Northern California" Weaponized Weather Assault

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    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?
    There are some connecting dots, and we'll need curiosity, open minds, and difficult - maybe impossible - investigative work on the part of many - to learn what these and other connecting dots may mean..
    Rothschild Connection as “PG&E Team member” – Roger H. Kimmel, Vice Chairman of Rothschild, Inc.
    https://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-u...er-kimmel.page

    Rothschild & Co Names Homer Parkhill and Stephen Antinelli as Co-Heads of Restructuring in North America
    PRN Newswire | 30 October 2017 (unclear what exactly is to be restructured)
    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300545454.html

    Unfortunately, this video is no longer available re: October 2017 fires in Santa Rosa:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy5CDDzhoc
    It discussed UN Agenda 21, laser weaponry, had screen photos from City of Santa Rosa's website of Santa Rosa planning maps, corresponding to areas where the fires occurred, and so much more - including (I think) 4 laser weapon companies w/buildings in downtown Santa Rosa, with fire going around one side of one of these companies....

    "City planning" is part of UN's Agenda 21 for the entire globe... Clinton, Bush, Obama have all set in motion
    orders for implementing same. The plan is 'voluntary'.

    This may be the part of the ongoing battle between globalists and nationalists - due to an unspoken, because unspeakable, depopulation agenda. It seem to involve moving people from rural areas into cities...

    Lots more dots may connect that aren't connecting right now, if and as we learn more from one another (e.g. the many deaths from opioids throughout US comes to mind https://www.cbsnews.com/news/opioids...e-vietnam-war/ ).

    If fear (the mind killer) and prejudice have us battling one another, we'll not be able to look past the surface of issues or the sound-bytes in the news.

    Have no idea how well the people on the following websites have done their homework. They seem polar opposites. Articles do contribute some facts (and maybe a lot of opinions/speculations--haven't looked in depth at either).... Enough facts and no hysteria may, one day, add up to a clear understanding of the larger picture ???

    https://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/
    https://agenda21news.com/2014/10/tar...opulation-set/
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    Write on, Podfish! And let's not forget how easy it is these days to alter videos so convincingly that it's difficult to detect that it's been done. (Of course, Trump has yet to master this.)

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    "interesting" like hearing someone talk about his encounter with bigfoot is interesting. It's complete BS. I didn't check, but maybe the guy behind that bogus theory is from an area where there aren't wildfires so has no idea. Here you have no excuse. Take a look at any of the burn areas and you'll see this is very common. Hike around Sugarloaf.
    Coffey Park houses didn't burn because of they're in a forest, but they too are "forest fire" casualties. Once a house catches a spark and starts to burn, it'll eat itself from the inside out. The blowing embers are what start it, not well-watered landscaping adjacent to it. jeez... why is it so compelling to torture reality enough to derive these conspiracies??
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    Re: 2018 The "Plan to Burn Northern California" Weaponized Weather Assault

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    I'm not sure why, but the YouTube link I posted is different than this, but when I went back to find it, I found this which is an exclusive interview with a Fire Captain on the origins of the CA fires. I don't think there have been any official statements on potential causes, and even if what he says is true, I realize there's nothing we can do.

    (I do think it's a good idea to avoid FEMA camps if at all possible.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWvuPcurB6Q
    An interesting article re: main theories relating to fires, with links...
    https://gizadeathstar.com/2018/11/th...eness-squared/

    Interesting @ rebuilding, very early days yet:
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/ca...221645225.html
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    Re: 2018 The "Plan to Burn Northern California" Weaponized Weather Assault

    DEBORAH TAVARES & THE FORGED PG&E EMAIL HOAX (THE CALIFORNIA FIRES HOAX).

    For all other Deborah Tavares hoaxes (NASA, Silent Weapons, Iron Mountain, Agenda 21, California Fires, Genocide), click here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eborah-Tavares

    THE HOAX: In the FORGED PG&E Email Hoax, Deborah Tavares claims to have obtained emails which effectively prove that PG&E (which she claims is owned by "The Rothschilds") caused the recent fires in California by beaming directed energy beams from satellites in space at California. But, her claims about these emails are lies. They are FORGERIES.

    VIDEOS OF DEBORAH TAVARES ENGAGED IN THE HOAX (Jeff Rense is not involved in the hoax)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 11:10-20:00)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3fb--FC_oQ (at 1:05-3:40)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7As3d9NgDyk (at 27:20-30:10)

    Pacific Gas & Electric ("PG&E") is a California electrical utility company. Over the next few years, PG&E is required by law to generate an increasingly higher and higher percentage of its electrical power without producing any carbon emissions. So, PG&E has increasingly resorted to wind, solar and thermal technology to generate electrical power.

    But, PG&E's conventional, ground-based, solar panels can only collect energy from the Sun during the middle of daylight hours in good weather. So, in 2009, PG&E announced that in the future, solar panels on satellites in space might be used to generate energy from the Sun 24 hours a day. These satellites might then beam the power to Earth in the form of laser beams or radio frequency beams. The power might then be received by rectennas at receptor stations on Earth and then converted to electricity for use by its customers.

    WHAT PG&E ANNOUNCED IN 2009:
    www.pge.com/en_US/small-medium-business/business-resource-center/energy-management-articles/energy-management-articles/past-articles/energy-from-outerspace.page?WT.mc_id=SMBNewsletter_email_20160811_phase_link-energy

    Solaren is a private California company which has patented the technology described above. In 2009, PG&E entered into a contract with Solaren to buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren is ever successful in generating electrical power using this technology. Under the contract, Solaren would own, operate and control all its satellites, rectennas and all the receiver stations. Originally, Solaren promised to provide PG&E with finished electricity by 2016. But, it ran into financial problems and still has not provided any electricity to PG&E, even at this late date. The California Public Utilities Commission ("CPUC") approved the contract on the condition that no money from PG&E customers ever be used to develop this technology.

    THE CONTRACT:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30198977/n.../#.XJUcxVKFPIU
    (at paragraphs 1-5)

    https://www.afcea.org/content/space-...closer-reality
    (at paragraphs 8, 9 & 10)

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-light-of-day/
    (at the final two paragraphs)

    https://www.businessinsider.com/spac...r-earth-2014-7
    (at the final two paragraphs)

    Deborah Tavares lives in Sebastopol and has waged war against PG&E because of its "smart meters". So, when the recent forest fires burned northern California, Deborah Tavares wanted to blame PG&E and the technology described above for starting those fires. But, there was a problem. The scientific and economic literature indicated that this technology did not yet exist to blame.

    CURRENT SCIENTIFIC & ECONOMIC LITERATURE ON THIS TECHNOLOGY:
    This technology will not be in use until the end of the decade. See the last 3 paragraphs and the final sentence here.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/spac...r-earth-2014-7

    This technology did not exist in 2017. Beginning at the bottom of page 16 here.
    https://space.nss.org/media/NSS-JOUR...olar-Power.pdf

    This technology is not in use in 2019. See the last paragraph. https://www.electricityforum.com/new...ospaceforpower

    This technology did not exist in 2018. See the FIRST and LAST paragraph here.
    https://earthsky.org/earth/space-bas...ser-to-reality

    This technology will not be in use until at least 2019. See page 62

    http://fiso.spiritastro.net/telecon/...e_12-14-16.pdf

    This technology did not exist in 2018. See the final paragraph.
    http://www.alternative-energy-news.i...ls-into-orbit/

    SO, TO REBUT ALL THOSE FACTS, Deborah Tavares FORGED a series of FAKE emails (purportedly between the CPUC and PG&E) indicating that this beam technology already existed, that it was already in use and that it could be used to kill us all.

    THE FORGERIES:

    1. PUBLISHED EMAIL FORGERIES:
    http://stopthecrime.net/wp/2018/08/2...rn-california/

    Afterwards, Deborah Tavares created more FORGED emails reflecting imaginary responses from imaginary experts to which Deborah Tavares allegedly forwarded her FORGED emails above. Not surprisingly, these imaginary experts agreed with Deborah Tavares that this beam technology already existed, that it has long been in use and that it could be used to kill us all.

    2. TWO UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, FORGERIES AT ABOUT 20% THROUGH THE TEXT HERE: http://smartmetersmurder.com/

    3. THE FINAL TWO UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, FORGERIES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 17:25-18:40)

    Thus, Deborah Tavares herself actually created the very FORGERIES which she fraudulently claims CONSTITUTE "PROOF" that PG&E used this future energy beam technology to start the recent fires in California to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    THE REASONS WHY WE KNOW THESE PUBLISHED EMAILS ARE FORGERIES:

    1. Tavares did not know what "space weather" actually was (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). "Solar flares" on the surface of the Sun erupt about every 11 years or so. These solar flares extend millions of miles into space and emit extremely high amounts of radiation into space. This radiation is called "space weather" (like a "rain" or "storm" OF RADIATION in space). (It is the Earth's atmosphere which protects all life on Earth from this radiation.). The radiation emitted during such "space weather" is so powerful that it can damage or destroy electrical power transformers here on Earth if they are linked to earth-based solar panels. Such damage can result in power outages. That is why "space weather" would be of concern to PG&E. During "damaging space weather", PG&E has to protect its transformers linked to earth-based solar panels because some such transformers provide electrical power to nuclear power plants and to hospitals which cannot afford power outages for obvious reasons.

    DEBORAH TAVARES' MISTAKE:

    But, Deborah Tavares did not know any of this. She mistakenly believed that "space weather" was WEATHER HERE ON EARTH (like drought and fire) that was artificially created and controlled by lasers, radio frequencies or microwaves beamed at the Earth from satellites IN SPACE (a stupid mistake that a REAL PG&E executive WOULD NOT MAKE).

    HOW THIS MISTAKE SHOWS UP IN THE FORGERIES:

    In FORGING the phrase "...then have its lawyers BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS, AKA EARTHLINGS, FOR ANY ADVERSE CONSEQUENSES RESULTING [FROM DAMAGING SPACE WEATHER]" in the 9:50 email above, Deborah Tavares was referring to the adverse consequences of FIRES WHICH PG&E CAN BLAME ON ITS CUSTOMERS (not realizing that "damaging space weather" is actually radiation in outer space caused by solar flares on the surface of the Sun every 11 years). Unknown to Deborah Tavares, the consequences resulting from "damaging space weather" is actually power outages, NOT FIRES! AND, PG&E CANNOT POSSIBLY BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS FOR ITS OWN POWER OUTAGES CAUSED BY RADIATION FROM SOLAR FLARES ON THE SURFACE OF THE SUN EVERY 11 YEARS. So, in creating this FORGERY, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E customers can NEVER be "blamed" for the "consequences" of "damaging space weather", WHICH IS ONLY POWER OUTAGES (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). This stupid mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    2. Likewise, Deborah Tavares did not know the terms of PG&E's contract with Solaren (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). So, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E would never own, operate, manage or control any of Solaren's satellites, rectennas, receiving stations or have any say in how, when or where energy from Solaren's satellites in space would be directed. Instead, Solaren would be solely responsible for all of that. Under the contract, the only thing PG&E would ever do would be to buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren was ever successful in generating electricity using this technology. Under the contract, PG&E is simply a future customer of Solaren. Nothing more. But, Deborah Tavares did not know any of this.

    HOW THIS MISTAKE SHOWS UP IN THE FORGERIES:

    So, in FORGING the sentence, "WE [referring to PG&E] have changed OUR receptor site from the Mojave desert (sic) to Sebastopol" in the 10:03 email above, Deborah Tavares sought to create the illusion that she was so important to PG&E that it actually "targeted" her in Sebastopol with radio frequency waves beamed from satellites in space in retaliation for her opposition to PG&E "smart meters". See PROOF here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJFZKADuk (at 18:40-19:20). Are you kidding me?! What a narcissist!

    Regardless, Deborah Tavares did not know that PG&E will never have any ability to aim Solaren's energy beams or to move Solaren's receptor stations from one place to another (something a REAL PG&E executive would know). This stupid mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    Further, Deborah Tavares did not know that Solaren's actual rectennas or receptor site is in Fresno, hundreds of miles away from the Mojave Desert (something a REAL PG&E executive would know).

    PROOF THAT FRESNO (NOT SEBASTOPOL) IS THE REAL RECEPTOR SITE:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30198977/n...XIlKNlKFPIU(at
    the 3rd paragraph)

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-light-of-day/
    (at end of 2nd paragraph)

    https://www.electricityforum.com/new...ospaceforpower
    (at the 16th paragraph)

    Moreover, Deborah Tavares did not know that such receiver rectennas at such receiver stations are up to six miles in diameter (which would make it obvious to every person living in Sebastopol if it had actually had been relocated there as Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims).

    Finally, a REAL PG&E executive would not refer to Solaren's receptor site as "OUR" receptor site, would know that Solaren's receptor station was in Fresno (not in the Mojave Desert) and would know that PG&E had no power or ability to change Solaren's receptor site. The foregoing stupid mistakes prove that this email is a forgery.

    3. Use your own common sense. As to the 10:03 email above, how likely is it that a PG&E executive would open an email to the CPUC with a "reminder" of the ACTUAL INTERNAL MECHANICS of exactly how Solaren's technology worked? The CPUC had just approved of PG&E's use of Solaren's technology provided that PG&E never invested any of its customer's money to finance the project. The CPUC did not need a "reminder" of the ACTUAL INTERNAL MECHANICS of Solaren's technology in which PG&E played no part and could claim no credit. This "reminder" serves NO PURPOSE except to defraud and to set up the sentence that follows.

    4. Use your own common sense. How likely is it that the CPUC would refer to PG&E's customers as "EARTHLINGS" in connection with an email about a "COVER UP" of "damaging space weather" which can cause nothing but power outages? How is it possible for PG&E to cover up a power outage?

    5. Use your own common sense. How likely is it that the CPUC would tell PG&E to have its lawyers BLAME ITS CUSTOMERS "AKA EARTHLINGS" FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF "DAMAGING SPACE WEATHER", WHICH IS ONLY POWER OUTAGES CAUSED BY RADIATION FROM SOLAR FLARES WHICH CANNOT POSSIBLY BE BLAMED ON PG&E CUSTOMERS? This stupid mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    THE REASONS WHY WE KNOW THE UNPUBLISHED, BUT PUBLICLY QUOTED, EMAILS ARE FORGERIES:

    1. The sentence, "You as a California resident have every right to know what your 'public utilities' are doing with their (sic) 'RATE DOLLARS'", was not written by an expert, as Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims. Unknown to Deborah Tavares, no "rate dollars" from any PG&E customer has or will ever be used to finance the research and development of Solaren's technology (which will be financed, owned and operated solely by Solaren). Under the contract, PG&E would merely be a future customer of Solaren and buy finished electricity from Solaren if Solaren is ever successful in generating electricity using this technology. Again, no PG&E customer money will ever be used to develop Solaren's technology. But, Deborah Tavares did not know this when writing this FORGERY. That stupid mistake proves that this email is a FORGERY.

    2. The term, "EARTH, INC." in "comment ONE:" is a "signature" term ACTUALLY CREATED, COINED and REPEATEDLY USED BY Deborah Tavares.
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=4uy...60.uVtaFybaRXU

    3. The phrase, "very disturbing" in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares phrase.
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=BO2...71.i3pL90_8tdA

    4. The term, "FOIA", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term.
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=eO2...99.ntDizkRvUdQ

    5. The term, "iceberg", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term.
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=0O2...99.RDgj6KM5rHk

    6. The term, "footprints", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term.
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=Du6...99.UcKcf4ptzag

    7. The term, "assessment", in "comment TWO:" is a "signature" Deborah Tavares term.
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=Se6...99.qaTj4TY5zhg

    8. BOTH "comment ONE:" and "comment TWO:" contain hyphenated terms (" - "), a writing custom rare in today's world, suggesting that BOTH comment ONE and comment TWO were written by the same person, which of course, they were.

    PG&E may actually be using laser or radio frequencies beamed from satellites in space to kill us all in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, THESE PARTICULAR FORGED EMAILS THEMSELVES (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim) provide no support for that proposition, because they are FORGERIES!

    ACTUAL CAUSE OF FIRES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...acy-aficionado
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ldfires-is-a-right-wing-conspiracy-aficionado
    https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150605/alleged-southern-california-arsonist-conspiracy-theorist
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cali...other-conspiracies_n_5b6dc69de4b0ae32af97e953
    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-holy-fire-arson-suspsect-20180810-story.html


    ACTUAL CAUSE OF FIRES IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND ELSEWHERE
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...acy-aficionado
    https://www.chicoer.com/2018/09/27/2-arrested-for-allegedly-setting-northern-california-fires/
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...wildfire-in-northern-california-idUSKCN1BA0VL
    https://www.kion546.com/news/2-arrested-for-allegedly-setting-northern-california-fires/799909817
    http://www.capradio.org/articles/2018/08/23/san-francisco-man-arrested-for-deadly-klamathon-fire/
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/arson-suspect-linked-to-5-of-californias-fires-officials-say
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/the-latest-arrest-made-in-growing-california-wildfire
    https://www.redding.com/story/news/...ted-friday-connection-arson-fires/1780261002/
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/cal...be-deadly-wildfires-despite-arson-arrest.html
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...r-allegedly-setting-northern-california-fires
    https://www.sbsun.com/2017/08/24/ma...fires-in-highland-san-bernardino-is-arrested/
    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Arson-Arrest-Charges-San-Bernardino-439032663.html
    https://wtop.com/national/2018/07/the-latest-more-evacuations-as-fire-rages-near-yosemite/
    https://www.ksbw.com/article/battling-18-blazes-california-may-face-worst-fire-season/22677894
    https://people.com/crime/calif-man-sentenced-to-12-years-for-starting-wildfire/
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-arrest-man-connection-california-wildfires/story?id=56830037
    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...ange-Cleveland-National-Forest-490374161.html
    https://wildfiretoday.com/2019/02/1...ance-before-arrest-for-starting-clayton-fire/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/us/cranston-fire-california-arson-arrest.html

    OTHER FACTORS
    https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...e-change-california-san-francisco-los-angeles
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/08/news-california-wildfire-arson-human-cause/
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...lifornia-s-worst-wildfires-power-12294852.php
    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/20/17582...rr-fire-california-cranston-ferguson-colorado

    FACT: Importantly, not a single arsonist above used a smart meter or a Directed Energy Beam from a satellite in space to commit his/her crime.

    ABOUT SNOOP4TRUTH:
    Snoop4truth is a legal expert and whistle blower who exposes online hoaxes. Snoop4truth did not reveal this information to harm Deborah Tavares. Instead, Snoop4truth revealed this information solely to reduce the CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE that such intentional fraud inflicts upon the American people every single day. Had it not been for Deborah Tavares' role in the "Judge DALE Hoax", Snoop4truth would not have revealed this information here.

    The message to all charlatans and hoaxers? Just tell the truth. The truth does not fear investigation. Only lies fear investigation. The truth can be supported by using the truth. Only lies must be supported by using hoaxes (other lies). There is no such thing as a "good reason" to intentionally defraud the American people, not even to make a popular (and sensational) conspiracy theory appear to be true.
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    DEBORAH TAVARES & THE AGENDA 21 HOAX.

    For all other Deborah Tavares hoaxes (NASA, Silent Weapons, Iron Mountain, Agenda 21, PG&E Fires, Genocide), click here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eborah-Tavares

    THE HOAX: In the "Agenda 21 Hoax", Deborah Tavares claims to have discovered another secret or leaked document which she fraudulently claims proves that the United Nations is using diabolical methods (like fires) to force us out or our rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, densely-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" or "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. But, her claims about this document are not so.

    AGENDA 21 IS A 100 PAGE DOCUMENT. Agenda 21 was written by the world's leading environmental scientists (not by "PG&E", the "Rothschilds" or the "Rockefellers"). Agenda 21 was first presented to the public at the "EARTH SUMMIT" (an environmental conference) in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil in 1992.

    According to the "Agenda 21" document itself (upon which Deborah Tavares HERSELF says she bases this particular claim), its purpose is to SLOW DOWN the rate at which the environment is destroyed. It would have PROTECTED MOST OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, REDUCED DROUGHT and INSURED AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER not contaminated by SEWAGE.

    According to the Agenda 21 DOCUMENT ITSELF, the purpose of Agenda 21 IS NOT to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes into tightly-packed, over-populated cities in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind. Instead, according to the Agenda 21 DOCUMENT ITSELF, the REAL purpose of Agenda 21 is to PRESERVE MOST OF THE FORESTS THAT REMAIN, exactly the opposite to what Deborah Tavares claims in her hoax (to the effect that the United Nations destroyed the forests of California in furtherance of Agenda 21 WHICH WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PRESERVE THOSE VERY FORESTS FROM DESTRUCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE).

    Agenda 21 was only a SUGGESTION that member nations were permitted, BUT NOT REQUIRED TO ADOPT for themselves. Agenda 21 does not apply in the United States because it is not the law in the United States and therefore cannot be enforced anywhere in the United States. So, Agenda 21 is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT in the United States.

    BELOW IS A SECTION OF THE ACTUAL "TABLE OF CONTENTS" OF "AGENDA 21" ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF "AGENDA 21".

    SECTION II. CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT OF RESOURCES FOR DEVELOPMENT
    9. Protection of the atmosphere 9.1 - 9.35
    10. Integrated approach to the planning and management of land resources 10.1 - 10.18
    11. COMBATING DEFORESTATION 11.1 - 11.40
    12. MANAGING FRAGILE ECOSYSTEMS: COMBATING desertification and DROUGHT 12.1 - 12.63
    13. Managing fragile ecosystems: sustainable mountain development 13.1 - 13.24
    14. Promoting sustainable agriculture and rural development 14.1 - 14.104
    15. CONSERVATION OF BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY15.1 - 15.11
    16. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF BIODIVERSITY 16.1 - 16.46
    17. Protection of the oceans, all kinds of seas, including enclosed and semi-enclosed seas, and coastal areas and the protection, rational use and development of their living resources 17.1 - 17.136
    18.PROTECTION OF THE QUALITY AND SUPPLY OF FRESHWATER RESOURCES: application of integrated approaches to the development, MANAGEMENT and use OF WATER RESOURCES 18.1 - 18.90
    19. Environmentally sound management of toxic chemicals, including prevention of illegal international
    traffic in toxic and dangerous products 19.1 - 19.76
    20. Environmentally sound management of hazardous wastes, in hazardous wastes 20.1 - 20.46
    21. Environmentally sound MANAGEMENT OF solid wastes and SEWAGE-RELATED ISSUES 21.1 - 21.49
    22. Safe and environmentally sound management of radioactive wastes

    AND, ALL OF THIS IS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF AGENDA 21 HERE.
    https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf

    BELOW IS THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21.

    https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...s/Agenda21.pdf
    (THIS IS A MUST READ.). BEGIN AT SECTION 11.1 AT ABOUT 25% THROUGH THE TEXT. THE ACTUAL TEXT OF AGENDA 21 READS AS FOLLOWS:
    AGENDA 21 – CHAPTER 11


    COMBATING DEFORESTATION

    PROGRAMME AREAS

    A. Sustaining the multiple roles and functions of all types of FORESTS, FOREST LANDS and WOODLANDS.
    Basis for action

    11.1. There are major weaknesses in the policies, methods and mechanisms adopted to support and develop the multiple ecological, economic, social and cultural roles of TREES, FORESTS, and FOREST LANDS. Many developed countries are confronted with the effects of air pollution and FIRE DAMAGE ON THEIR FORESTS. More effective measures and approaches are often required at the national level to improve and harmonize policy formulation, planning and programming; legislative measures and instruments; development patterns; participation of the general public, especially women and indigenous people; involvement of youth; roles of the private sector, local organizations, non-governmental organizations and cooperatives; development of technical and multidisciplinary skills and quality of human resources; FORESTRY extension and public education; research capability and support; administrative structures and mechanisms, including intersectoral coordination, decentralization and responsibility and incentive systems; and dissemination of information and public relations. This is especially important to ensure a rational and holistic approach to the sustainable and environmentally sound development of FORESTS. The need for securing the multiple roles of FORESTS and FOREST LANDS through adequate and appropriate institutional strengthening has been repeatedly emphasized in many of the reports, decisions and recommendations of FAO, ITTO, UNEP, the World Bank, IUCN and other organizations.

    Objectives
    11.2. The objectives of this programme area are as follows:
    a. To STRENGTHEN FOREST-RELATED NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, to enhance the scope and effectiveness
    of activities related to the management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of FORESTS, and to effectively ensure the sustainable utilization and production of FORESTS' goods and services in both the developed and the developing countries; by the year 2000, to strengthen the capacities and capabilities of national institutions to enable them to acquire the necessary knowledge for the PROTECTION AND CONSERVATION OF FORESTS, as well as to expand their scope and, correspondingly, enhance the effectiveness of programmes and activities related to the management and development of FORESTS;
    b. To strengthen and improve human, technical and professional skills, as well as expertise and capabilities to effectively formulate and implement policies, plans, programmes, research and projects on management, CONSERVATION and sustainable development of all
    types of FORESTS and FOREST-based resources, and FOREST LANDS inclusive, as well as other areas from which FORESTS BENEFITS CAN BE DERIVED.

    AND, THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS OF SECTION 11 OF AGENDA 21!

    IMPORTANT: You will note from the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21, that THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR INCREMENTALLY REDUCING THE AREAS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE (to systematically drive them from their rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "KILL CITIES" or "SMART CITIES" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). According to the actual WRITTEN words of Agenda 21 itself, its actual WRITTEN purpose is to keep things FROM GETTING EVEN WORSE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE (IN TERMS OF DEFORESTATION). See Post #166 in the link at the very top of this thread for an excellent discussion of this.

    THE AGENDA 21 MAP: CLICK ON THE THIS LINK. ONCE THERE, CLICK ON THE TWO (2) YELLOW, ORANGE AND RED MAPS.

    https://www.google.com/search?source...30.Fm6zNgdf57I

    The Agenda 21 MAP of the United States is self-explanatory. It VISUALLY indicates that the purpose of Agenda 21 is TO LIMIT FURTHER DEFORESTATION, as described in the Agenda 21 document above. Note that the Agenda 21 map was made in or before 1992. Note that at the time it was made (in or before 1992), the remaining forests on the map that were to be off-limits to FURTHER (ADDITIONAL) DEFORESTATION were the FORESTS and WILDERNESS AREAS that remained undeveloped at that time (in or before 1992). Note also that those making the Agenda 21 map often tried to "CONNECT" isolated wilderness areas with one another using narrow (very thin) "migration trails" so that animals might find mates outside their tiny wilderness "reservations" so as to ensure "BIO-DIVERSITY" (also a stated goal of Agenda 21).

    IMPORTANT: You will note by looking at the Agenda 21 map, that THERE IS NO AREA OF THE MAP OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED IN SIZE (OR MADE SMALLER) THAN THE AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE AT THE TIME THE MAP WAS MADE IN 1992. So, there is likewise nothing about the Agenda 21 map which suggests that people will occupy less of an area than they occupy now (or that might suggest that people will be systematically driven from their rural and suburban homes into tightly-packed, over-populated "KILL CITIES" or "SMART CITIES" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind). According to areas on the Agenda 21 map for which FURTHER (ADDITIONAL) development would be off-limits, it is perfectly obvious (when looking at the map) that the actual purpose of Agenda 21 was to keep things FROM GETTING EVEN WORSE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE (IN TERMS OF DEFORESTATION). No other conclusion is logically possible by looking at the Agenda 21 map.

    LOGICAL CONCLUSION:
    Unless the forgoing official documents taken from the ACTUAL PAGES of Agenda 21 are forgeries, THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES DID NOT ADVANCE THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (TO PREVENT FURTHER DEFORESTATION). INDEED, THEY ACTUALLY UNDERMINED THE PURPOSE OF AGENDA 21 (BY DESTROYING THE VERY FORESTS THAT AGENDA 21 WAS INTENDED TO PROTECT)!

    AS A RESULT, THE RECENT CALIFORNIA FIRES WERE NOT AGENDA 21 FIRES, EVEN IF THEY WERE THE RESULT OF SOME OTHER CONSPIRACY, unrelated to Agenda 21.

    APPLICATION:
    If I were a charlatan, and if I wanted to create a BETTER version of the Agenda 21 Hoax, this is how I would do it.

    1. I would create videos and I would show the REAL, ACTUAL "AGENDA 21" DOCUMENT (unmodified) showing the Agenda 21 "agenda" AS IT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN in the official document (showing that its purpose is to PROTECT THE REMAINING FORESTS, PREVENT DROUGHT AND ENSURE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE (all of which is verifiably true).

    2. Then, in my videos, I would show written proof that "Agenda 21" was EFFECTIVELY REJECTED by the U.S. Government as a whole AND THAT IT IS NOT THE LAW, AND THEREFORE NOT ENFORCEABLE ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES (all of which is verifiably true).

    3. Then, in my videos, I would show ALL OF THE ENVIROMENTAL CALAMITIES SUFFERED BY CALIFORNIANS SINCE 1992, when Agenda 21 was first proposed and effectively rejected by the U.S. Government (DESTRUCTION OF THE REMAINING FORESTS, INCREASED DROUGHT, ABSENCE OF FRESH WATER UNCONTAMINATED BY SEWAGE, PEOPLE RENDERED HOMELESS AND DISPLACED BY FOREST FIRES).

    4. Then, in my videos, I would claim that "THE REFUSAL" (ITSELF) of U.S. Government to adopt "Agenda 21" in I992, and every year since then, constitutes conclusive "PROOF" that the U.S. Government ACTUALLY WANTED TO PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL THE REMAINING FORESTS IN CALIFORNIA, PURPOSELY INCREASE DROUGHTS IN CALIFORNIA AND PURPOSELY DESTROY ALL SUPPLIES OF FRESH WATER IN CALIFORNIA to drive Californians out of their rural and suburban homes and into cities away from the forests and wilderness areas.

    That would make a much BETTER "Agenda 21 Hoax", BECAUSE (except for the nefarious intentions of the U.S. Government part) IT IS ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, VERIFIABLY AND FACTUALLY TRUE IN EVERY SINGLE RESPECT! That would make for a much more LOGICAL explanation of the ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHIES IN CALIFORNIA than the story that Deborah Tavares peddles now (which actually CONTRADICTS Agenda 21).

    FACT: When corporate interests are threatened by proposed laws that would reduce their profits, they launch a public relations campaign against those proposed laws. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose the proposed laws for reasons of their own selfish interests. Instead, they pretend that they oppose the proposed laws to protect the interests of society in general (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

    EXAMPLE: CONSIDER THIS HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE AS IT RELATES TO AGENDA 21 (THIS MAY NOT HAVE EVER OCCURRED. IT IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE THIS PRINCIPLE OF CORPORATE P.R WARS.). If made into law, Agenda 21 (a proposed law) would slow the rate at which logging corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests (and thereby slow the rate at which they generate profits).

    So, these corporate interests launch a public relations campaign against Agenda 21. But, they do not admit that they actually oppose Agenda 21 to protect their own profits. Instead, they pretend to oppose Agenda 21 to protect the rest of society (out of the goodness of their own hearts).

    So, they come up with a CAREFULLY-CRAFTED LIE intended to get the rest of society to oppose Agenda 21 as much as they do. Instead of admitting that Agenda 21 would only slow down the rate at which logging corporations and land developers, like Deborah Tavares, could destroy the remaining forests, they falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY WORK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! They falsely claim that Agenda 21 WOULD ACTUALLY EXPAND THE FORESTS INTO AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY DEVELOPED AND ALREADY OCCUPIED BY HUMANS, thereby systematically driving homeowners out of their rural and suburban homes and into increasingly-smaller, tightly packed, over-populated cities (something that the REAL Agenda 21 would not actually do).

    This FRAUDULENT characterization of Agenda 21 would serve to make ALL THE REST OF SOCIETY join with those who profit by destroying the forests. The rest of society would OPPOSE "AGENDA 21" in the mistaken belief THAT THEY WERE SAVING THEIR OWN HOMES IN THE PROCESS. Now, THAT is a brilliant lie. But, it gets even better.

    By telling such a lie, logging corporations and real estate developers, like Deborah Tavares, could continue DESTROYING THE FORESTS and continue to cash in without any opposition from the rest of society WHILE SIMULATANEOUSLY BLAMING AGENDA 21 (WHICH NEVER BECAME LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE) FOR THE HARDSHIPS THAT THEY THEMSELVES KNOWINGLY INFLICT ON THE REST OF SOCIETY IN THE PURSUIT OF THEIR PROFITS (increased droughts and therefore increased forest fires, decreased fresh water supplies uncontaminated by sewage, etc.). Now, THAT is a TRULY brilliant lie, blaming a SUGGESTION that never became law, for the hardships suffered by Californians, when the SUGGESTION that never became law WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO PREVENT THOSE VERY HARDSHIPS IN THE FIRST PLACE!

    Remember, the foregoing is only an ILLUSTRATION of how corporate interests engage in disinformation campaigns in order to get society to oppose proposed laws that would reduce their profits. This is an example only. This may have never occurred. That is not the point.

    The point is simply that what Deborah Tavares lied to us about what the what Agenda 21 says in the same way she lied to us about every other document she has ever used in support of her claims about the planned extinction of mankind.

    I do not know if Deborah Tavares lied to us about the Agenda 21 document for same reasons of the type suggested in the hypothetical illustration above. As far as I am concerned, the reason she lied to us is irrelevant. All that really matters is that she lied to us AGAIN about what a document says is support of her claims of a planned extinction of mankind.


    So, whether or not there is a "planned extinction of mankind", this Agenda 21 document provides no support for that proposition.
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    Quote Shandi wrote: View Post
    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?

    Sonoma County video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch
    More to the point, P.G.& E. is a private corporation which has the franchise to supply electrical power for Northern California. This corporation leases the site adjacent to the dam at Hetch-Hetchy from the State of California, and operates the turbines which generate electricity from the water that spills over the dam.

    The Raker Act, which authorized the building of the dam at Hetch Hetchy - was floated as a bond issue by the citizens of San Francisco. The primary purpose for the Raker Act was to establish a municipal water system in San Francisco - but a municipal electricity system was also intended in the mix.

    Somehow - and the process was murky - a private joint-stock corporation took over the power grid. Capitalists will always do this - worm their way into a million dollar sure thing - so it is no marvel that this happened. Nevertheless, do consider this fact: That P.G.&E. charges rates that are probably double what either a municipal or a state run power grid would charge the people.

    A very informative tome that deals with the history of these issues, is the book, "DAM! WATER, POWER, POLITICS, AND PRESERVATION In Hetch Hetchy and Yosemite National National Park," by John Warfield Simpson, Pantheon Books, New York, 2005

    https://archive.org/details/damwaterpowerpol00simp

    Perhaps it is time, in the wake of the late fires in California, to statize the power grid.

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    If pge gets public, and I hope it does, don't expect Muir to get back his second valley. The bay has too much power.

    Quote Mayacaman wrote: View Post
    ...The Raker Act, which authorized the building of the dam at Hetch Hetchy - was floated as a bond issue by the citizens of San Francisco. The primary purpose for the Raker Act was to establish a municipal water system in San Francisco - but a municipal electricity system was also intended in the mix....
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    More to the point, P.G.& E. is a private corporation which has the franchise to supply electrical power for Northern California. This corporation leases the site adjacent to the dam at Hetch-Hetchy from the State of California, and operates the turbines which generate electricity from the water that spills over the dam.

    The Raker Act, which authorized the building of the dam at Hetch Hetchy - was floated as a bond issue by the citizens of San Francisco. The primary purpose for the Raker Act was to establish a municipal water system in San Francisco - but a municipal electricity system was also intended in the mix.

    Somehow - and the process was murky - a private joint-stock corporation took over the power grid. Capitalists will always do this - worm their way into a million dollar sure thing - so it is no marvel that this happened. Nevertheless, do consider this fact: That P.G.&E. charges rates that are probably double what either a municipal or a state run power grid would charge the people.

    A very informative tome that deals with the history of these issues, is the book, "DAM! WATER, POWER, POLITICS, AND PRESERVATION In Hetch Hetchy and Yosemite National National Park," by John Warfield Simpson, Pantheon Books, New York, 2005

    https://archive.org/details/damwaterpowerpol00simp

    Perhaps it is time, in the wake of the late fires in California, to statize the power grid.

    Hello Mayacaman,

    PG&E has committed felonies. PG&E is reckless and negligent. PG&E is greedy.

    But, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, even PG&E, as bad as it is, did not use directed energy weapons on satellites in space to intentionally start the recent fires in California.

    Best Regards,

    Snoop
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    "Snoop4truth" wrote:
    PG&E has committed felonies. PG&E is reckless and negligent. PG&E is greedy.

    But, contrary to the claims of Deborah Tavares, even PG&E, as bad as it is, did not use directed energy weapons on satellites in space to intentionally start the recent fires in California.


    I don't know what Deborah Tavares said - because I am not up on the latest pearls of wisdom from Deborah - about just who it was that [may have] used DEW "...directed energy weapons from satellites in space to intentionally start the recent fires in California," Snoop.

    -- But I wouldn't put the use of that new technology past the sitting POTUS - in the past, present, or future. He, after all is the Commander-in-Chief.
    Boeing sold the DEW plane to the Air Force in 2017. Does P.G.& E. have access to the latest U.S. Air Force weapons systems? I don't think so. Yes, there is "Corporatism" - but there are boundaries.

    The overwhelming temptation to use DEWs might act as a solvent on the conscience of a president. Just saying. {What a multitude of rural dwellers in the afflicted areas of northern California have been murmuring, in their tents... }

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dew+directed+energy+weapons
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    Shandi wrote:

    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothchild's?



    Look and Consider: Between these two hacknied & old facebook memes:



    ...What is the Truth?

    We are dealing here with disinformation. Please remember: there is always a core of "truth" in All disinformation. Do these folks own this 'property' independently of each other, or is it 'community property'? If it is owned jointly, are other shareholders in the mix as well?

    Fact: "N.M. Rothschilds, & Sons, Inc." is a Corporation; a "Joint-stock Corporation"; a holding company. I suggest that there are about one thousand stockholders, and that they are all members of the elusive (& exclusive) "Club of the Isles." There is no "Wiki" on Them.

    Let's just say that Queen Elizabeth II, and Jacob Rothschild "get by with a little help from their friends."

    Links:

    https://www.truthcontrol.com/club-isles

    The Largest Empire In the History of the World

    http://american_almanac.tripod.com/largest.htm

    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-Club-of-the-Isles

    https://www.savethemales.ca/000447.html

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    Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothschild's?
    Sonoma County video:
    Hello Shandi,

    YOUR COMMENT: Does anyone know about this? PGE owned by Rothschild's?

    MY RESPONSE: No. PG&E is not owned by the Rothschilds. The claim that PG&E is owned by the Rothschilds is a Deborah Tavares hoax. It is explained below.

    "The Rothschilds Own All Of The Utility Companies Hoax

    Video Of Deborah Tavares Engaged In The Hoax:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeJkYovY0AM (at 8:55-13:26).

    In "The Rothschilds Own All Of The Utility Companies Hoax", Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that she obtained a curriculum vitea (effectively a resume' for expert witnesses) attached to the sworn testimony of a member of the Rothschild family wherein he stated that "he OWNED dozens and dozens of utility companies". But, the subject curriculum vitea DOES NOT say this. Instead, it merely says that a "James A. Rothschild" is a financial consultant AND AN EXPERT WITNESS who has testified in dozens and dozens of court cases in which utility companies were parties. Nothing more. See PROOF on pages 3-5 and pages 36-46 here. http://www.ripuc.org/eventsactions/d...hild(3.04).pdf.

    FACT: So, "James A. Rothschild" has no direct involvement with any of the utility companies named in the court cases listed in the subject curriculum vitea. Otherwise, he would not have been allowed to testify as an expert witness in any of those cases.

    Illustration Of James A. Rothschild's ACTUAL Role In All Of These Court Cases
    A city gives an electrical utility company a monopoly on providing city residents with electrical power. In exchange, the utility company agrees that the city will determine the rates its residents will pay for electricity. The city promises the utility that it will set rates so as to allow the utility to pay is expenses and earn a small profit, but that it will not set rates so high as to be a burden on city residents.

    Years later, the city population has tripled and the utility company needs to build a larger electrical plant to meet increased demand. But, the new plant will cost millions. So, the utility company sues the city and claims that it needs a rate increase of 50% to offset its added costs of building the new plant.

    In response, the city hires James A. Rothschild as an expert witness to testify AGAINST the utility company. James A. Rothschild testifies that a 50% rate increase is excessive, because the costs of the new plant can be amortized over a twenty year period which can be absorbed by a mere 5% rate increase.

    By hiring James A. Rothschild to testify as an expert witness in the case, the city saved each city resident a small fortune. Note that in the case above (reflected in the link above containing the subject transcript), JAMES A. ROTHSCHILD WAS HIRED BY THE CITY TO TESTIFY AGAINST THE RATE INCREASE SOUGHT BY THE FERRY COMPANY. So, it is NOT the case that James A. Rothschild is only hired by utility companies to testify against the public and in favor of rate increases sought by utility companies.

    SIDE NOTE: In support of this same hoax, Deborah Tavares also fraudulently claims that she recently attended a PG&E stock holder's meeting wherein the PG&E Board Of Directors were allegedly seated in the front row of the audience and individually introduced to the stockholders. She fraudulently claims that a person named "Rothschild" was introduced to the stockholders as a PG&E Board member (as if that would make him the "OWNER" of PG&E). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZo...ature=youtu.be (at 3:00-3:45). But, this claim is not so. NO PG&E BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH A NAME. See proof here. http://www.pgecorp.com/corp/about-us...directors.page


    THE SOLE CONNECTION:
    The sole connection that we can find between PG&E and Rothschild (person or entity) is "Roger H. Kimmel" (who is NOT a Rothschild). Kimmel was once an "independent" board member of PG&E (meaning he had no direct or indirect financial interest in PG&E) at the same time he was a board member of Rothschild North America, Inc. (a bank). Kimmel resigned his position with PG&E on January 14th, 2019 when PG&E filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/corpor...rnia-utility-1. For the Rothschilds to be the "owners" of PG&E, they would have to own all of the stock in all of the following corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. For the Rothschilds to own a controlling interest in PG&E, they would have to own at least half of the stock in all of these same corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/.

    CONCLUSION:
    The Rothschilds do not "own" PG&E, because they do not own all of the stock of all of these corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. The Rothschilds do not own a controlling interest in PG&E, because they do not own at least half of the stock in all of these corporations which own stock in PG&E. https://stockzoa.com/ticker/pcg/. No current officer or director of PG&E has any known connection to the Rothschilds. Having a single friendly board member or a single friendly officer of PG&E does not make the Rothschilds the "owners" of PG&E.

    The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the Rothschilds are using "THEIR" utility company technologies as "weapons" to drive us out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    WHAT FOLLOWS IS A RELATED DEBORAH TAVARES HOAX:

    In "The Rothschilds Are Restructuring North America Hoax", Deborah Tavares fraudulently claims that an October, 30th 2017 press release said that the Rothschilds were "restructuring north America" itself (as in "taking it over"). But, the subject press release DOES NOT say this. Instead, it merely says that a Rothschild company was restructuring "IN" (as in "inside") north America. A full reading of the press release indicates that the term, "restructuring'' as used in the article, refers to Rothschild RESTRUCTURING DEBT (as in "re-financing"), NOT RESTRUCTURING ALL OF NORTH AMERICA ITSELF! See proof here. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300545454.html. The purpose of this hoax was to fraudulently create a link between the "Rothschilds" and Agenda 21, to make Americans think that the "Rothschilds" are "restructuring" all of north America under the Agenda 21 model of "sustainable development" which Deborah Tavares falsely claims will drive out of our rural and suburban homes and into tightly-packed, over-populated "Kill Cities" and "Smart Cities" in furtherance of the planned extinction of mankind.

    There is simply no end to the intentional fraud of Deborah Tavares.

    Stay tuned.

    All The Best,

    Snoop
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    More verbal diarrhea, Snoop - {referring to your last boiler-plate missive, Above} - that you have recycled & posted scores of times so far...

    Once again, you are peddling libel and disinformation. Your account is not the same story that Deborah Tavares tells, about how she learned that the Rothschild group has serious investments in all of the major, privately owned Power Companies in the United States. And, realistically, How could the Rothschilds not? N.M. Rothschilds & Sons is the biggest holding company in the City of London.

    Here, from the website of Stockzoa, @ [https://stockzoa.com/] is a comprehensive overview of the Corporate owners of P.G.&E Stock. Rothschild interest is amply spread throughout these 'several corporations' :


    Who owns PG&E; Corporation?

    Find out what company owns PG&E; Corporation, who bought PCG this quarter, and who sold shares of PCG stock?
    See:
    Top Holders and Investors of PCG Stock
    As I wrote {Above} :

    "...P.G.& E. is a private corporation which has the franchise to supply electrical power for Northern California. This corporation leases the site adjacent to the dam at Hetch-Hetchy from the State of California, and operates the turbines which generate electricity from the water that spills over the dam.

    The Raker Act, which authorized the building of the dam at Hetch Hetchy - was floated as a bond issue by the citizens of San Francisco. The primary purpose for the Raker Act was to establish a municipal water system in San Francisco - but a municipal electricity system was also intended in the mix.

    Somehow - and the process was murky - a private joint-stock corporation took over the power grid. Capitalists will always do this - worm their way into a million dollar sure thing - so it is no marvel that this happened. Nevertheless, do consider this fact: That P.G.&E. charges rates that are probably double what either a municipal or a state run power grid would charge the people.

    A very informative tome that deals with the history of these issues, is the book, "DAM! WATER, POWER, POLITICS, AND PRESERVATION In Hetch Hetchy and Yosemite National National Park," by John Warfield Simpson, Pantheon Books, New York, 2005"

    https://archive.org/details/damwaterpowerpol00simp



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    This makes me think of the best ad campaign Greenpeace ever did. After the Exxon Valdez spill - posters of the captain and the ship with the caption- "it wasn't his driving that caused this- IT WAS YOURS "

    My point being - Americans of all political stripes love a boogeyman to blame things on. Love their conspiracy theories. Because it creates a "reality" of something far too big for them to have any effect on. Removes any semblance of their own responsibility in the problem. And... bonus points, makes them feel superior for being one of the few to understand the *real* cause of things.

    I grew up with 3 TV channels. While bias and influence is never inescapable, that generation of newscasters had to serve the nation as a whole. Now with hundreds of TV stations, youtube, facebook, twitter, a myriad of "news", "information", "science etc websites... it's far too easy for people to pick the media that fits their predetermined world view. Despite the wealth of information out there to actually be able to fact check things... few do.

    Was it Maistre? (sp?) or De Tocqueville? (sp?) that said something to the effect that countries (and I'd add states / counties ) get the government they deserve?
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    Sonoma Patients Coop wrote:
    This makes me think of the best ad campaign Greenpeace ever did. After the Exxon Valdez spill - posters of the captain and the ship with the caption- "it wasn't his driving that caused this- IT WAS YOURS "

    My point being - Americans of all political stripes love a boogeyman to blame things on. Love their conspiracy theories. Because it creates a "reality" of something far too big for them to have any effect on. Removes any semblance of their own responsibility in the problem. And... bonus points, makes them feel superior for being one of the few to understand the *real* cause of things.

    I grew up with 3 TV channels. While bias and influence is never inescapable, that generation of newscasters had to serve the nation as a whole. Now with hundreds of TV stations, youtube, facebook, twitter, a myriad of "news", "information", "science etc websites... it's far too easy for people to pick the media that fits their predetermined world view. Despite the wealth of information out there to actually be able to fact check things... few do.
    Well, Sonoma Patients Co-op, are you one of the few who "Fact check things" ? Can you please take the time to click on the following Link, and do some "Fact checking"?



    The fact is that P.G.&E. is owned by a number of big banks, holding companies, and corporations, which in turn are owned by some very rich folks, some of whom live in London. And the rates that we all are paying are pretty near double - if not triple - of what they would be if the power grid were run by the State of California. Is that hard to understand? It isn't a "Conspiracy theory." It's just barebones economic facts.

    I personally do not care how much of the pie of "who{ever} owns p.g.&e." is actually owned by the Rothschild holding company, through blinds & fronts. That is not my burden. And, as I have taken pains to emphasize over on the other thread, I have no brief for Deborah Tavares.

    But what is certain - and I do care about - is that the power grid should be run by and for the People. That is just a small part of what the old-school socialists, of my grandparent's generation used to call "Industrial Democracy"...

    - Which is a corollary of "Economic Democracy"-
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    Well, Sonoma Patients Co-op, are you one of the few who "Fact check things" ? Can you please take the time to click on the following Link, and do some "Fact checking"

    Umm... yes- I actually did. What is your point? That because a myriad of wealthy individuals, banks, families, state retirement funds and investment groups are investors in a company there is something nefarious afoot? This is the same logic applied by the right re: George Soros et al.

    Guess what- the wealthy.. and the venture capitalists, investment firms, banks, state retirement funds et al are heavily invested in most major corporations.

    What is your point?

    And I'll add- secrets are very hard to hold. Conspiracies *much* more so. Outside of their personal predilictions that can cause them problems- these groups shy away from *anything* that can cost them *everything*. It's why boycotts, bad press, and small groups of investors can have such an impact.

    So... some rich people own some portion of a stock in a company. Can you provide me with *any* evidence whatsoever that this had led to *any thing* nefarious?
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    My "Point" - Starting From the Top - Is:

    "
    The Raker Act, which authorized the building of the dam at Hetch Hetchy - was floated as a bond measure by the citizens of San Francisco. The primary purpose for the Raker Act was to establish a municipal water system in San Francisco - but a municipal electricity system was also intended in the mix.

    Somehow - and the process was murky - a private joint-stock corporation took over the power grid. Capitalists will always do this - worm their way into a million dollar sure thing - so it is no marvel that this happened..."

    Nevertheless, Lo and Behold:

    "...The rates that we all are paying are pretty near double - if not triple - of what they would be if the power grid were run by the State of California.

    Is that so hard to understand? It isn't a "conspiracy theory." It's just bare bones economic facts.

    = A N D =

    I, personally, do not care how much of the pie of "who{ever} owns p.g.&e." is actually owned by the Rothschild holding company, through blinds & fronts. That is not my burden. And, as I have taken pains to emphasize over on the other thread, I am not here to defend the positions of Deborah Tavares.

    But what is certain - and I do care about - is that the power grid should be run by and for the People. That is just a small part of what the old-school socialists, of my grandparent's generation used to call "Industrial Democracy"...

    - Which is a corollary of "Economic Democracy"-

    >! That's my Point !<

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